PLEASE NERF ELPHELT

[barren escarp]

lore accurate

[thick smelt]

atleast buff gearboy 🔥

[wooden belfry]

So were we thinking this big of a nerf or what when we made this suggestion

[muted sigil]

it didn't

[spring gorge]

gogeta with 140k dps even after 3 .0 updates

[sinful tendon]

6 days

[barren escarp]

@pulsar frost they nerfed her again bro

[muted sigil]

It took a week for them to actually implement the change

[barren escarp]

why did u make this

suggestion

[dire egret]

I’d rather just have them do one thing of nerfs for her. “We know how to balance our units” my ass.

[naive parcel]

devs were doing other things
the changes have been planned since like day 2

[split timber]

it is a nerf and its very well deserved

[sinful tendon]

wtf

[regal echo]

whats da highest dps unit ingame after nerfs

[muted sigil]

the love shot stuff wasn't really thought about yes

[naive parcel]

it almost always is intended lol
i know it sounds suspicious af but its true

[woeful snow]

yeah 230k dps is ridiculous and considering how easy it is to get her

[dire egret]

Her WHOLE kit was not thought out

[sinful tendon]

its annoying rolling exclusively on her tho

[muted sigil]

Because 4 outta 5 times, it is a bug fix or something that was a part of the kit from the planner itself.

[sinful tendon]

to lose precious rrs

[muted sigil]

if not more

[split timber]

love shot was hated by everyone who ran inf lb, shotgun pump+passive follow up gave her 260k dps. yes this should've been prevented before upd, but letting it stay woild've been much worse.

[barren escarp]

who's the best unit now

??

[pulsar frost]

they don't care abt my suggestion lol

[barren escarp]

yhwach?

[muted sigil]

Yes, yes it was lol

[barren escarp]

or vsjw

[sinful tendon]

an announcement on like day 2 would have been nice saying it was due to be changed

[supple spruce]

Bru I got monarch on her are we Deaduzz rn💔

[sinful tendon]

a bit of clarity so people know what they are rerolling on

[tranquil cedar]

make toji buff himself by 9000

as his buff

[reef ferry]

You’re telling me right after cid got buffed, they messed up and cid was super op in progressive mode and then they “fix” how it was not supposed to count swaps until you unlock his upgrade was not a nerf?

[split timber]

sorry dawg you gotta live with 150k dps instead of 260k now, the unit is truly dead! gogeta does 110k btw

[pulsar frost]

still waiting for shotgun loop nerf

[tranquil cedar]

It diid

[muted sigil]

And then have people complain about it in the days up to it and not doing anything because "oh it's just gonna get nerfed, they told us"

[upper gorge]

I agree with this

[regal echo]

who the best unit/highest dps unit after nerfs

[upper gorge]

Yo

[opaque bridge]

they just did

[pulsar frost]

wait fr?

[woeful snow]

where did you get those numbers

[muted sigil]

The okizeme fix was what nerfed shotgun loop lmao

[tranquil cedar]

its 5 sec now

[opaque bridge]

so whats elphelt dps looking like now using shotgun loop

[split timber]

from the guy who makes the tierlist

[supple spruce]

Thank you bro fr we gotta buff her by 9000

[split timber]

and i tested em

[sinful tendon]

Still better than spending hundreds of rrs and not being told about it yet it was always planned, people think its a complete shadow nerf or there is a lack of communication

[muted sigil]

shotgun loop was super broken because of oki

[woeful snow]

oh 150k is still stupid lol

[split timber]

it might not be 150k consistent but it should be way above average still

[sinful tendon]

Same thing happened with the rr cap and the cid raid stuff, from the community it just seems like shadow changes being made with little communication given

[pulsar frost]

150k is still diabolical but hey that's a good lovely jubbly nerf

[split timber]

im just guessing 150k

[dire egret]

It really wasn’t.

[muted sigil]

I agree, yes, there's a lack of communication sometimes. but rn the community is just overreacting and losing their shit over something that was completely warranted

[pulsar frost]

😔

[naive parcel]

yea it was supposed to only count swaps after maxing him
i had been telling ppl that cuz i thought it was how it worked
it just wasnt a problem until he got buffed so it flew under the raddar

[sinful tendon]

True my main point is an announcement on "day 2" should have been made

to explain that she will be changed

[barren escarp]

guys get monarch naruto he will never be nerfed 💯

[muted sigil]

[sinful tendon]

she deserved this nerf fully i dont argue that

[muted sigil]

That still kills engagement

[tranquil cedar]

OMG TOJI BUFF

[twilit trellis]

5 seconds shotgun is insane tho

[tranquil cedar]

!!

[sinful tendon]

just the way it was done is kinda scummy to people rolling on her with the intention of having THAT lfelt monarch and not the nerfed one

[woeful snow]

150k dps still

[muted sigil]

Because people are just going to crash out regardless over how they have to wait for the nerf and "might as well not get the unit"

[split timber]

dont spread that figure let me verify

[tranquil cedar]

best unit in the game??

[sinful tendon]

true we will see how the dps pans out

[muted sigil]

Lfelt is still an insanely good monarch

[split timber]

im just saying it to make people understand that shes still top tier

[tranquil cedar]

Lfelt is good

[split timber]

lets not act like shes dead

[muted sigil]

People are just pissing themselves for no reason

[feral granite]

if its 150k its still insanely op i guess

[opaque bridge]

feel like shadow changes and things being planned but delivered with no communication also kill engagement

[sinful tendon]

will she be better than dante or cid to roll on

thats all i wanna know

[split timber]

ill come back with the proper calcs soon enough

than dante? imo yeah

cid idrk

cid kinda just is braindead for 20+ wave modes

in terms of dps absolutely

[opaque bridge]

prob better than cid in raw dps but his nuke will be more useful in certain places

[sinful tendon]

i mean

i have the top dps units monarch beside lfelt

so

idk what to do

[split timber]

wait for the vanguard

[sinful tendon]

nah

well

[short bluff]

why yall hating on lfelt tbh

[sinful tendon]

I cant stay patient that long

especially not for an anime i dont really like

[pulsar frost]

crazy edit

[barren escarp]

i know

[opaque bridge]

seems like it was just poor planning on the balance teams part

[eager lynx]

yo gng

[sinful tendon]

als at 74k

[eager lynx]

ur wish came true

[barren escarp]

but 41k is kinda low

[eager lynx]

but it fucking ass rn

[sinful tendon]

what happened to atd man

[short bluff]

just leave her like that

[tranquil cedar]

she's still good y'all

[sinful tendon]

combined theres just about 110k ccu between als and av

[tranquil cedar]

💀

[eager lynx]

no shes not...

[barren escarp]

sandbox?

[eager lynx]

its just cope

[tranquil cedar]

lmao

[pulsar frost]

unevo

[tranquil cedar]

yea

[opaque bridge]

id rather the unit be balanced on release than any nerfs and changes happening

[sinful tendon]

if odyssey limitless gets nerfed its wraps im packing the bags and playing grow a garden

[barren escarp]

for an update that released a week ago this is quite low

[muted sigil]

If you think she's not good anymore, you're really just the one coping lmao

[pulsar frost]

someone has to calculate new dps

[eager lynx]

not even worth getting atp

[muted sigil]

Insane take

[pulsar frost]

I mean if u look at the update it's understandable

[opaque bridge]

shes prob worth but im just worried about getting her and her getting nerfed again

[woeful snow]

yeah nobody really knows about gg other than the 1%

[opaque bridge]

but apparently these changes were planned so more changes wont happen right?

[eager lynx]

2% chance to get a unit thats ass

[short bluff]

lfelt with monarch and 120% black spirit im melting everything

[woeful snow]

i dont think they'll nerf her a 4th time

[opaque bridge]

even though there were changes to her yesterday too!

[woeful snow]

3rd time is the charm

[muted sigil]

Insane take

[twilit trellis]

stop being a sheep lol

shes not bad

[sinful tendon]

lfelt definitely wont be nerfed again

surely

[woeful snow]

surely

[feral granite]

guys you missing on naruto ✌️

[sinful tendon]

if her dps is 150k she is good where shes at

[barren escarp]

stop

before they nerf him

[tranquil cedar]

meta dps

[spring gorge]

mid

[woeful snow]

still doing more dps than vangaurds

[wooden belfry]

Next thing you know, shotgun cooldown now 3 seconds

[pulsar frost]

still broken but sure

[sinful tendon]

meh its like almost in line with gogeta

[eager lynx]

devs release a good unit for hype then nerf it after a week

[barren escarp]

next nerf 10s cd

[pulsar frost]

vanguard btw

[woeful snow]

we wont know for sure until we get proper calcs

[tranquil cedar]

meta

[sinful tendon]

thats a buff..

[opaque bridge]

thats a nerf

[sinful tendon]

true but gogeta has his own use cases

[tranquil cedar]

he meant shotgun

[woeful snow]

the cd right now is 5s

[tranquil cedar]

ability

[split timber]

0/10 ragebait

[tranquil cedar]

cd

[opaque bridge]

you wouldnt be able to stack attacks quickly

[sinful tendon]

isnt shotgun cooldown 5 seconds

lol

[barren escarp]

that's a nerf shotgun doesn't have a cd rn

the passive has a 5s cd

shotgun doesn't

[opaque bridge]

hes talking about the ability not the passive

[barren escarp]

have a cd

[tranquil cedar]

the passive has

[woeful snow]

oh

[tranquil cedar]

the cd

[sinful tendon]

wait yeah

[tranquil cedar]

The shotgun is like 1

or 0

[pulsar frost]

what's the passive again

[tranquil cedar]

idk

[sinful tendon]

i thought he just meant the passive

[barren escarp]

okizeme

[pulsar frost]

nah but what does it do

[woeful snow]

when she uses meter she swaps to attack 1

[spring gorge]

time to play als❤️

[barren escarp]

5s cooldown now

[sinful tendon]

is byeken even worth a monarch

[woeful snow]

no

[sinful tendon]

or is marksman literally better for most cases

[woeful snow]

her best trait is marksman

[wooden belfry]

That’s ridiculous, 2 seconds at most

[barren escarp]

she is mostly support

[woeful snow]

or solar

[sinful tendon]

hmm

[tranquil cedar]

Marksman

or solar

[sinful tendon]

yeah im still rolling on lfelt

[barren escarp]

isn't her being top 1 unit in the game ridiculous enough

[sinful tendon]

DAY1 BELIEVER

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/arod-alex-rodriguez-gif-24184203

[barren escarp]

vsjw a unit with a whole questline

being worse

[woeful snow]

shes already good enough

[wooden belfry]

It’s powercreep

[pulsar frost]

what's her actual spa at max

[barren escarp]

gogeta with his 0.005% chances

[tranquil cedar]

ok

[wooden belfry]

Vsjw was from like 3 updates ago

[tranquil cedar]

can we rework aladdin

[split timber]

very much am

[tranquil cedar]

❤️

[barren escarp]

7 spa at last upgrade [no spa stats]

[split timber]

3 updates should net a 200k dps increase?

[split timber]

good idea man

[barren escarp]

he's a vanguard

vanguards never fall off

[pulsar frost]

hmm, ngl she's still hella broken, these lfelt users complaining for no reason

[barren escarp]

according to a balancer

[sinful tendon]

everyone be saying this sol badguy dude is broken but hes so low in the wiki tier list

[pulsar frost]

ty

[tranquil cedar]

yea lfelt is still good

[sinful tendon]

is he even good

[tranquil cedar]

He is

[sinful tendon]

why is he below boo of all units

[pulsar frost]

it's cause it's only during his dragon install mode, then u have to farm meter again

[opaque bridge]

apparently his dps is absurd in his second ability

[sinful tendon]

Oh yea

so u cant even use birb

[opaque bridge]

wonder if they nerf that

[sinful tendon]

gogeta victim go next

[barren escarp]

nerf gogeta next

[dire egret]

Because Dogkuna can't make a tier list

[barren escarp]

nerf every unit in meta

[tranquil cedar]

Foo should work with yhwach right

[sinful tendon]

it does

[barren escarp]

yeah

[sinful tendon]

imagine foo worked with the debuff

[woeful snow]

yeah he goes from 8k with followup and burn to 20k dps with followup with burn

[misty cliff]

It does

[barren escarp]

this tournament should be reset after these bug fixes ngl

cuz no way someone getting top 10 spot now

[tranquil cedar]

It is reseting

I think everything is

lol

[sinful tendon]

Foo works with the debuff??

a 15% foo would go hard

[misty cliff]

Yea

[tranquil cedar]

it what

LOL?

[barren escarp]

i was wondering why i couldn't get in the top 15 with my best unit

[sinful tendon]

only -5% dmg and 10% range

LOOL

[woeful snow]

what does foo do again

[barren escarp]

turns out everyone is using lfelt

[tranquil cedar]

LOL

[sinful tendon]

thats fucking broken holy shit

yhwach is king

[misty cliff]

Its not that good since youre losing yhwach damage

[barren escarp]

Soul King*

[tranquil cedar]

you right

[sinful tendon]

how if its on his debuff mode

hm

[misty cliff]

Youre not using a birb

[sinful tendon]

hes shit anyways with monarch teams

[tranquil cedar]

Is there a curse unit that buffs

[sinful tendon]

true

[sinful tendon]

GOAT

[barren escarp]

the familiar says everytime someone is inflicted with a status effect

doesn't specify if its a buff

or a nerf

[woeful snow]

base sjw buffs igris

[sinful tendon]

true

[wooden belfry]

Not true

[sinful tendon]

wait

[barren escarp]

bro

[wooden belfry]

No need to gutt her love shot

Like crazy

[barren escarp]

they said it in the stage

[wooden belfry]

Like HUGE

[barren escarp]

how is it not true

[misty cliff]

Thats what Ive been saying

[wooden belfry]

Diavolo is not meta meta

[pulsar frost]

wait so with yhwach isnt he broken asf

[misty cliff]

Literally no reason for the cap to exist

[dire egret]

What even is the point of spamming shotgun on Elphelt atp

[sinful tendon]

yes

hes broken even if u do buff yhwach

[wooden belfry]

Gogeta is falling off slowly

[barren escarp]

the balancer said diavolo has high raw dmg

that's pretty much it

[misty cliff]

No

[barren escarp]

for diavolo

[pulsar frost]

delusional

[sinful tendon]

How is anyone supposed to deal with my 27% dmg birb and 24% buffed yhwach gogeta

[misty cliff]

Youre losing out on yhwach dmg

[split timber]

literally only matters for inf

[misty cliff]

By not using birb

[wooden belfry]

After I said like crazy

[split timber]

nobody who does inf lb liked love shot

[lucid oar]

They keep nerfing the main unit of this update

[wooden belfry]

Like how many nerfs?

[misty cliff]

Hi

[wooden belfry]

I agree with the 3 per match

[narrow belfry]

@split timber how is elphelt dps atm with the follow up nerf since she seems aleast still top 5 to me

[thick smelt]

the same people who abused aizen bug can't complain about anything be real

[woeful snow]

i mean maybe make it stronger than arise summons

[wooden belfry]

The health multiplier was a bit much of a nerf

[split timber]

working on it

[narrow belfry]

ah alr

[wooden belfry]

5 seconds to passive was a bit much too

[split timber]

ofc they did when the testers and their friends were lol what do you expect

[wooden belfry]

Would’ve made it like 2-3

[woeful snow]

maybe 20% was fine but now theres no reason to use it if you have sjw

[twilit trellis]

188k dps we still gucci

[pulsar frost]

bro she was literally better than sjw at SUMMONS like are we deadass

[barren escarp]

anyone above lvl 200 is aizen bug atp

[wooden belfry]

Exactly, why are we making the game so dependent on Vsjw

[pulsar frost]

from no.1 to no.1 lovely

[split timber]

i'll come back with fully accurate calcs in a bit

[wooden belfry]

25% -> 10% was criminal

[barren escarp]

sjw the "shadow" monarch getting outclassed

[dire egret]

Monarch VSJW can spawn two 100K HP bears on placement

[sinful tendon]

Ahem...

i didnt use that bug

[pulsar frost]

2?...

[sinful tendon]

and im 203

[thick smelt]

we all known they just released her like that to make people spend robux on her

[twilit trellis]

alr looking foward to it!

[barren escarp]

lvl 300*

[sinful tendon]

I do NOT abuse bugs like these cretins

Thank you

[barren escarp]

i've seen like

a lvl 2k

[misty cliff]

He spawns with 100 mana

[barren escarp]

2000

[narrow belfry]

so still top 5

[barren escarp]

crazy bug

[sinful tendon]

yeah that shit is ridiculous

[narrow belfry]

nice

[misty cliff]

And guess how much mana a bear costs

[sinful tendon]

they will never add more level milestones

[twilit trellis]

top 1

[narrow belfry]

elphelt is in a fair state now

[narrow belfry]

oh

[woeful snow]

2nd bear is always weaker than 1st bear since summons have more hp the more mana you have

[narrow belfry]

still top 1

[dire egret]

bears cost 40% mana bar, you can spam two of them at a time

[narrow belfry]

damn

[pulsar frost]

no ik but why u acting like 200k is crazy when elphelt does that per second on max

[narrow belfry]

im really overestimating these dps 😭

[sinful tendon]

188k dps on lfelt now?

[barren escarp]

can we go back to update 5.5

[sinful tendon]

Holy w

[barren escarp]

time travel

[misty cliff]

Because thats placement damaga lmao

[sinful tendon]

my rolls werent for nothing

[dire egret]

this cooldown fucking sucks

[lucid oar]

They need to delete the update

[narrow belfry]

doubt they would fully gut her since ppl rolled on her yk

[pulsar frost]

mobs have lesser hp in the first waves too, that's senseless logic

[sinful tendon]

On my life im just desperate to gamble

[woeful snow]

not 200k since summons are weaker the lower mana you have

[sinful tendon]

Im about to roll on epics

[supple spruce]

I miss my 240k tho she still good tho so no matter

💔💔

[tranquil cedar]

shiny is crazy

[barren escarp]

i got a z+ stat on my alligator vro

[sinful tendon]

She is still #2 bro dw

The soul king just takes the win for now

[pulsar frost]

#1*

[sinful tendon]

Z+ spa would be meta

#1 dps or #1 unit

[misty cliff]

Sjw is the cheapest dps in the game. You can place him, spawn 2 bears, sell and repeat this forever. 200k damage pers like 1400 cost

[tranquil cedar]

Peak king*

[sinful tendon]

im talking about #1 unit here

the soul king reigns absolute

[supple spruce]

Yhwatch is too good bro

[tranquil cedar]

Soul king will never die

[barren escarp]

soul king needs a whole team dedicated to him tho

he kinda buns

[tranquil cedar]

unlike midelt

[barren escarp]

without a rare team

[thick smelt]

i feel like they love him ngl

[pulsar frost]

yeah but u also need a full team just for yhwach, u can use others with elphelt

[sinful tendon]

False

[woeful snow]

more like 150k since summons are weaker the lower mana you have when u summon them

[tranquil cedar]

💔

[sinful tendon]

use him as a dmg buff trust

[barren escarp]

15% dmg

ah yes

don't mention the foo familiar

[pulsar frost]

"vanguard rarity"

[sinful tendon]

The soul king gives me the most mvp stealing in rifts

[barren escarp]

please

[sinful tendon]

I will mention the foo familiar

24% buff to aizen dmg

Incredible!

[pulsar frost]

aizen claps

[sinful tendon]

yes

[opaque bridge]

did anyone calculate new elphelt dps?

[sinful tendon]

thats what i use

[barren escarp]

fubuki with foo familiar is the best use for it

[dire egret]

wrong, its more than 200K

[sinful tendon]

birb : 23.3% crit chance 24.4% damage

[woeful snow]

????

[tropic sparrow]

Theyre killing my waifu nooo 😭 this game is too 1 or 100. Units that release op are either left op or turned into garbage

[sinful tendon]

yhwach buff 24%

my aizen: 270k dmg maxed

case closed

[patent axle]

his bears are not 200k pretty sure

• his bears are not even aoe

[misty cliff]

2 of them combined

[barren escarp]

this chat is more active than general

[patent axle]

I thought his bears were 30k each

[woeful snow]

let me just test

[woeful snow]

monarch sjw

[misty cliff]

Thats lower than his momsrch base damage

[tranquil cedar]

why tf do I have 15 Valentine

[pulsar frost]

thanks I'm just that cool ig

[naive parcel]

just sell them

[patent axle]

oh with monarch

[tropic sparrow]

Make 3 SJW

[barren escarp]

new top 1 unit

[tranquil cedar]

that’s too good for him

[barren escarp]

don't debate it

[tranquil cedar]

he getting fed to rare goku

[patent axle]

It's still not aoe, it's one enemy

[tropic sparrow]

We just hit anime fighters peak damage

[patent axle]

enemy*

[sinful tendon]

🙏

[woeful snow]

can only have 1 type of elite summon on track at a time

[sinful tendon]

You heard it here first folks

[pulsar frost]

💀

[barren escarp]

diavolo is just buns

[tropic sparrow]

Then healer is aaah?

[barren escarp]

ppl only use him for his cosmetic

[pulsar frost]

💔

[sinful tendon]

high placement dmg shit tech shit range

[patent axle]

he can do 70k dps

[woeful snow]

nobody uses healer 😭

[dire egret]

I can get 250K+ damage from two bears

[misty cliff]

Obviously the bear will die to the boss

[patent axle]

his aoe isn't that bad it's just his range

[barren escarp]

even dante does more

[patent axle]

line aoe is fine people just don't know how to use it

[patent axle]

dante is like top 5 dps

[barren escarp]

well

diavolo is a vanguard

[twilit trellis]

no hes not lol

[barren escarp]

a battlepass unit beats him

[patent axle]

diavolo had a good ability too

[barren escarp]

he is

[narrow belfry]

lowkey i would say hes still good

[barren escarp]

he very much is

[patent axle]

yeah he is

[twilit trellis]

dante got gutted

[narrow belfry]

crazy ability

[pulsar frost]

u realize for a lot of modes that's nothing later waves right?

[twilit trellis]

hes attack animation is like way too long

[tropic sparrow]

I thinked vanguards were supposed to be like ALS Godlys (always getting reworks)

[twilit trellis]

hes not that good to use regularaly

[woeful snow]

yeah and he sucks on placement

[patent axle]

before lfelt nerf I think

[barren escarp]

overall tierlist he's still there

[dire egret]

yeah it's for boss killing, VSJWs entire kit is for boss killing

[tranquil cedar]

lmao

[misty cliff]

Yhwach should be above sjw

[tropic sparrow]

CID ON META TOP LESGOOOOO

[barren escarp]

traitless

yhwach is lower

monarch

yhwach is higher

[patent axle]

No ☠️

[misty cliff]

Yhwach is literally better with traits

He wants more placements

[twilit trellis]

as an overall unit yhwach aint thaat good

dps

yeah hes there

[sinful tendon]

???

[woeful snow]

this is traitless

[sinful tendon]

i mean

hes a selfish ass unit

[wooden belfry]

Nerfing Elphelt when she wasn’t even the best overall 🥀
(Ofc she needed a nerf but I didn’t think it would be this big)

[dire egret]

Vergil literally outperforms Dante

[barren escarp]

he probably has the highest range aside from inf range units

[twilit trellis]

im not taking rares thats not how i like playing the game

thats so boring

[pulsar frost]

elphelt is for killing anything

[sinful tendon]

true ig

[tropic sparrow]

Bro doest do NOTHING for the team, but he solo carry damage

[barren escarp]

it's a tds game

how else will u play

u just place and wait

[sinful tendon]

the soul king just requires a sacrifice from all

he is absolute

[patent axle]

he can probably cover the entire map depending on the map

[woeful snow]

using the same unit and same loadout every time gets boring quick

[sinful tendon]

there can be no other unit

[tranquil cedar]

make toji monarch tier

[feral granite]

💔

[tranquil cedar]

honestly

[twilit trellis]

im not relying on a single unit too win my match and bringing only supports i like upgrading multiple units

[misty cliff]

He doesnt even debuff units in traitless

[twilit trellis]

do you understand

[misty cliff]

Since one buff cancels it out

[dire egret]

Atleast he understands where Valentine belongs

[sinful tendon]

Is dark mage really as good as they claim

[tranquil cedar]

Naruto being put in the same tier as dandan

[pulsar frost]

😭

[tranquil cedar]

💔

[barren escarp]

ok

[naive parcel]

still range debuffs

[twilit trellis]

not for progressive

[tranquil cedar]

make my goat higher pls

[patent axle]

I mean vsjw isn't even that good of a monarch to have, if you have other monarchs his best trait's gotta be deadeye

[sinful tendon]

Hmm

[little helm]

can we nerf farms

[misty cliff]

Literally doesnt matter

[patent axle]

get out

[split timber]

no.

[pulsar frost]

pretty good, full burn team with him is insane too

[little helm]

It is

[tranquil cedar]

make them als farms

[misty cliff]

It only affects full aoe units

[little helm]

😭

[split timber]

monarch vsjw is an insane unit

[little helm]

Sheild being 4m hp

[tropic sparrow]

Ye 100k at a wave is the bare minimum now

[little helm]

💔

[barren escarp]

vsjw deadeye max summon dmg potential 52.5%

[split timber]

if you dont understand why monarch vsjw is way better than de for anything other than inf and ocassional tourneys idk what to tell ya

[cyan flower]

But isn't deadeye only for infinite
And barely anyone does that

[pulsar frost]

nah, he's cheap

[pulsar frost]

rifts too

[misty cliff]

Monarch sjw is a must in wl

[little helm]

ye

[pulsar frost]

that's all really

[pulsar hemlock]

top 3 rage bait of the week

[little helm]

pure vanilla

[tropic sparrow]

Wl?

[little helm]

you dum dum

[patent axle]

Deadeye vsjw is better than monarch if you have other monarch dps bro

you're not gonna upgrade all those monarchs

[woeful snow]

worldlines

[patent axle]

leave vsjw for the summons

[dire egret]

ah yes, get Deadeye for everything that isn't infinite

[pulsar frost]

worldlines

[tranquil cedar]

!givemoney 9000000

[little helm]

Sheild and bear

[tranquil cedar]

trust

[woeful snow]

you're not upgrading 3 deadeye sjws

monarch is just better for progressive

[patent axle]

it's not even aoe

[split timber]

yeah man id rather get the 60k dps unknown element with 3 nukes and insane summons

[patent axle]

No one is

he's just for summons

[little helm]

Its there to speed run stages

[woeful snow]

gohan

[misty cliff]

Almsot like there is 1 big boss in every stage

[little helm]

gohan is sometimes used

[patent axle]

yeah where his arise summons are better than his normal ones 😭

[tranquil cedar]

Gohan is peak honestly

[woeful snow]

idk what other speedrun units there are

[little helm]

progression no

[woeful snow]

gohan is ur really only option

[patent axle]

I'd rather upgrade better monarch units and leave him for summons

[misty cliff]

Deadeye sjw wont defend early

[buoyant sorrel]

true braindead unit

[split timber]

the real 1970 replacement

[little helm]

Vsjw aizen high placement dmg

[patent axle]

I SAID IF YOU HAVE OTHER MONARCHS

[split timber]

i have 9 monarchs and vsjw is the most used one, you're just waffling

[patent axle]

8 monarch speedwagons

[woeful snow]

gohan is needed since you can skip the waiting for the first few waves

[misty cliff]

Bro doesnt have yhwach then

[woeful snow]

and you can use any other unit

[little helm]

You cannot make an arguement

[pulsar frost]

vsjw util is insane

[barren escarp]

this image is now disproved 🥀 no more sukuna 2nd evo

[split timber]

i do actually

[pulsar frost]

not for now*

[narrow belfry]

they could just rework him fully, then give him the double evo

ooooo

[barren escarp]

he said never

[narrow belfry]

big brain ass method

[barren escarp]

he said he's not even getting a rework

in stage

last minutes of it

[pulsar frost]

let me cope man 🥀

[barren escarp]

bro i made a whole suggestion for sukuna

when i saw this

[misty cliff]

Honestly good nobody wants sukuna

[narrow belfry]

they gotta change that in the stage notes then cuz ppl will just keep asking bout the tework

😭

[pulsar frost]

do it even if it's illegal one?

[sinful tendon]

I thank the lord i normalised my shiny itadori

🙏

[barren escarp]

wym

[little helm]

depends on map but yeah 99%

[barren escarp]

jjk season 3 was announced vro

[tranquil cedar]

you’re going to summon goatkuna

[woeful snow]

give him like 8 arms and make him gojo so he doesnt get copyrighted

[barren escarp]

idk when

[tranquil cedar]

[barren escarp]

but it was announced

[tranquil cedar]

make him blobkuna

[pulsar frost]

there's a suggestion which is "add heian sukuna evo even if its illegal" or something like that lol

[barren escarp]

nah

not me

i made the 2nd evo one with 21 stars

[naive parcel]

Thats from a tester😭

[split timber]

its by the lead tester 💀

[barren escarp]

can we expect a 4th elfelt nerf

[barren escarp]

oh yeah goatkuna

[split timber]

isnt it goatkuna's

[naive parcel]

Nerfs done

[pulsar frost]

oh cause his name 😭

[dire egret]

for reference, this is how many nerfs Elphelt got

[patent axle]

I would use deadeye vsjw here even if I had monarch vsjw

[barren escarp]

who do you say is the best unit now

[naive parcel]

Goatkuna is dead
It's just kamui now

[barren escarp]

i don't want people knowing yhwach is the best tournament unit

[naive parcel]

Yhwach/lfelt still

[barren escarp]

i stil want to win more tournaments

[split timber]

diavolo over vsjw monarch

[split timber]

nah i think with this vsjw is over lfelt

again

simply because she doesnt have that dps 75% of the time now

[dire egret]

"We know how to balance our units"

[split timber]

the uptime is lower now that there's 1 less follow hit

[pulsar frost]

someone said 188k dps still, not sure how true that is though

[naive parcel]

For non monarch
For monarch i got lfelt > still

[split timber]

still top 5 without doubt

[barren escarp]

probably not true

the passive was instant

[split timber]

im asking for calcs

[sinful tendon]

hmm

[barren escarp]

now its 5s cd

nowwhere near 250k

[pulsar frost]

hmm

[split timber]

i think the average dps is definitely way lower than 260k though lmao

[sinful tendon]

lfelt still prob worth rolling on more than cid is

so

[split timber]

ill get back to u

[pulsar frost]

oh for sure

[sinful tendon]

still good unit

[barren escarp]

yeah

[woeful snow]

no doubt about that

[barren escarp]

but loveshot was nerfed alot

10% hp per summon

12 range..

[pulsar frost]

yeah cid is just 20 waves+ ngl

[barren escarp]

20 summons..

[woeful snow]

ur not really using loveshot on her anyways now

[barren escarp]

she was busted in tournaments

[sinful tendon]

true

[barren escarp]

tournaments have alot of 4 million hp enemies

[patent axle]

lfelt is probably still top 1-top 3
Whenever a unit gets nerfed everyone is like "Trash unit" or something like that when they fail to realise a unit can be good after nerfs, lfelt was just wayyy too broken

[dire egret]

it's gonna be used for PVP/some harder content ig

[pulsar frost]

exactly

[barren escarp]

yeah 260k dps without even using her 2nd active

[woeful snow]

i guess you could use for more summons but in normal situations you would just use sjw arise

[barren escarp]

i meant

she had 25% hp per summon before

and inf summons could be spawned

now it's limited to 20

[pulsar frost]

I mean isnt love shot still an insta kill, it's still pretty good

[barren escarp]

pretty op don't you think

[barren escarp]

it is

[crisp osprey]

ooh lfelt got nerfed

[split timber]

thank god it is

[barren escarp]

except for bosses

[crisp osprey]

how good is she now

[split timber]

it was so insanely braindead before this

[woeful snow]

yeah insta kill is still instakill

[split timber]

still top 5 ATLEAST

[pulsar frost]

fr

[woeful snow]

and sjw needs a kill for the summon

[crisp osprey]

damn

thats crazy

did anyone calc the new dps

[pulsar frost]

and the mana usage is insane

[reef ferry]

ass i have monarch lfelt not worth using, aizen better that all units in update

[misty cliff]

Shes like b tier now

[barren escarp]

eh

loveshot still insta kill so like

[pulsar frost]

overreacting

[barren escarp]

just gather up enemies

with katakuri

[woeful snow]

repulse into freeze then loveshot

[reef ferry]

3 uses, and not one shot anymore for most bosses, useless in inf

Good in progressive only

[barren escarp]

she never one shotted bosses

[reef ferry]

but swj better

[barren escarp]

only one shot enemies

bosses don't count

[pulsar frost]

I think he means to kill the boss

[reef ferry]

enemies did one shot boss

[split timber]

which was braindead enough

[pulsar frost]

with the summons

[pulsar frost]

yup

[barren escarp]

oh the enemies she spawns

yeah

[split timber]

you one shot the enemies who clear the boss and more

[barren escarp]

they had 25% of the original enemy health

which is crazy

how did it get through development

[pulsar frost]

I mean insta kill u basically clear all the mobs out for more hits on boss, still very good unit

[reef ferry]

i mrsn yeah but it has no range now, so ur hitting like 7 mobs unless u have 2 supports

The first ability is now kinda useless for 200 meter

[barren escarp]

yea

[woeful snow]

ur still dealing with most mobs and you can just use another unit for boss

[barren escarp]

3 massive nerfs

[woeful snow]

and its not like she's dealing no dmg too

[split timber]

3 warranted nerfs

[reef ferry]

i mean yeah 260k dps is bad but for that i should use aizen monarch that has better ability atp

[barren escarp]

fair

she was stronger than vanguards

[split timber]

????????????????

are you like high

[pulsar frost]

is bad 💀

LOL

[reef ferry]

i mean in balance

260k dps shouldnt be possible

[pulsar frost]

what

bro word it better

[split timber]

aizen does 210k dps if you stop 10 enemies with wall and he does it for 11 seconds with all

lfelt did 260k in her entire range

[reef ferry]

with supports

[split timber]

i think 1 is slightly worse than the other ngk

[tranquil cedar]

how the hell is that had

bad

??

oh

[reef ferry]

Aizen can one shot 20m bosses with timestop

[tranquil cedar]

You meant in balancing

nvm

[reef ferry]

and we have 3 time stops

[woeful snow]

3 supports btw

[pulsar frost]

2.8k msgs here bruh

[reef ferry]

• get over here ability

[woeful snow]

4

[dire egret]

yes I got the best vanguard units in the game

[barren escarp]

oh nah

wait

[tranquil cedar]

sasuke was moving in the 1st tournament

[barren escarp]

24.5/s dps

meta dps

put him 1st in the tierlist

[tranquil cedar]

rare tier list

[spring gorge]

man i miss paragon

[tranquil cedar]

toji meta

[spring gorge]

mf they even nerfed sasuke💔😭

[tranquil cedar]

they nerfed killua too

[dire egret]

broken tier paragon unit

[spring gorge]

he used to be able to break 100+ shields

[tranquil cedar]

toji and sasuke top tier

💔

[spring gorge]

they be nerfing anything💔

[woeful snow]

i miss paragon gems

[spring gorge]

50/50

[tranquil cedar]

6k gems

[spring gorge]

only if u were sane enough to go to stage 800+

[tranquil cedar]

Some people was

[spring gorge]

i was one of them

[woeful snow]

i only got up to like 300

[dire egret]

ppl keep glazing Dante

[tranquil cedar]

anyway

My goat yhwach on top

[dire egret]

nuh uh

[tranquil cedar]

We need a new one

and a new pain unit

[barren escarp]

yhwach pre nerf was THE unit

nobody surpassed him

[tranquil cedar]

He still is the unit

just with a linit

limit

[spring gorge]

inumaki

[barren escarp]

yeah but pre nerf yhwach

you didn't even need

a rare team

[tranquil cedar]

you right

[barren escarp]

just equip him

[dire egret]

man was GOATed at deleting units

[tranquil cedar]

inumaki did indeed

surpass yhwach

[barren escarp]

wait what

[tranquil cedar]

he had inf dmg

[barren escarp]

what did he do

[tranquil cedar]

he deleted

the enemies

lol

[barren escarp]

fr

[dire egret]

Inumaki was able to delete repulsed enemies if they went past spawn

[feral granite]

when he repulsed enemies to base they disappeared

[barren escarp]

LOL

[tranquil cedar]

yea

but it got fixed

sadly

[feral granite]

should have left it 🤑

[tranquil cedar]

meta legendary

[barren escarp]

meta?

broken

actually now that i think about it

that's lore accurate inumaki

[dire egret]

I forgot Judar can perma bleed

[tranquil cedar]

what

[split timber]

fucking sol above yhwach?

[dire egret]

yuh huh

[split timber]

dawg

no.

[dire egret]

Sol's cooler

[split timber]

is this without monarch

or smth

[barren escarp]

who made this bruh

[dire egret]

dogkuna did

[barren escarp]

oh nah

yhwach's range should already put him in broken

[dire egret]

the damage penalty Yhwach gives is undesirable

[split timber]

[split timber]

how many other units can solo ex 4

[barren escarp]

nah

he debuffs others to put himself on the throne

[spring gorge]

id rather lose a bit of dmg on other units and gain 200k dps on yhwach

[split timber]

how many other units have been used as much for tourneys

[barren escarp]

not exactly 200k dps

[split timber]

how many other units are as good in wl

[barren escarp]

he doesn't have 3 spa

[buoyant sorrel]

https://youtu.be/jEmcgsm0xb0?si=e7pHsup_9DEaCSgz
yeah ts balanced

[barren escarp]

nerfed

no more

[tranquil cedar]

thats harder to do now

[split timber]

got nerfed

we good

[buoyant sorrel]

#「📚」update-log message
this?

[dire egret]

I'd rather use him with units that already have crap DPS

[spring gorge]

u dont know the meta huh

[split timber]

cd nerf is massive

[woeful snow]

no full aoe no constant shotgun buffs

[tranquil cedar]

I mean foo can decrease those dmg buffs

but yhwach loses some dmg

[woeful snow]

also nerfed summon dmg

[buoyant sorrel]

still op bro

[split timber]

you can get him to it through like sakura and stuff

[barren escarp]

yes i know sokora decreases his spa

[woeful snow]

yeah still top 5

[barren escarp]

still not 200k dps

[split timber]

its still not 200k u right

[tranquil cedar]

doesnt matter

yhwach still king

❤️

[buoyant sorrel]

man top 5 for easy to get unit

fuck off i wasted my luck on rare units like gogeta or smt like that

💀

gogeta need a buff ngl

[dire egret]

fr tho this who I'd consider to be top tier

[barren escarp]

hell naw

yo gurt was typing

bro gogeta's passive doubles his dmg

[worldly spindle]

Shh

[dire egret]

Gogeta needs to be left alone

[barren escarp]

once people wake up they will flood you with pings

[buoyant sorrel]

still ass ngl

[dire egret]

the faster he becomes obsolete, the better

[buoyant sorrel]

i have him but like

eh

[worldly spindle]

Mark as read my beloved

[muted sigil]

they'll hunt you down in the wuwa server again

[feral granite]

no way that happened

[muted sigil]

38 pings or something during stage LOL

[dire egret]

insanity

[feral granite]

thats crazy 😭

[barren escarp]

this one's good

[dire egret]

I still think Vergil's insane after the nerfs

[barren escarp]

doesn't he only attack 1 unit

[muted sigil]

what nerfs

bro hasn't been touched in any major way in like a month

[dire egret]

I think they changed something regarding to how his follow up attacks worked

[muted sigil]

The only thing he recently got was making his follow-ups actually use priority like a few weeks ago or something

The follow-up aoe fix was over a month ago and people are only now noticing

[dire egret]

so he's just more consistent

I see

[muted sigil]

Yes

his follow-ups were always supposed to be the tiny circle

that's why it says attack 1 in passive

but they used whatever his current attack aoe was at first

[barren escarp]

but now it's fixed

right

back to the circle

[muted sigil]

Yes

[barren escarp]

or not now

1 month before

[muted sigil]

it's been that way for a month lmao

people that think vergil got nerfed now are insane

[dire egret]

I think his last upgrade being buns favors him alot

[muted sigil]

That's always been like that though lmao

[dire egret]

rather not spend near 100K on a DPS

[barren escarp]

15k yen for 6 more range and 500 damage

[dire egret]

literally

And people place Dante above him smh

[trim mulch]

+6 range isnt bad tho

[dire egret]

yeah, but I'd rather not commit 15K to it

[muted sigil]

Which is fine

[dire egret]

anything that keeps his cost lower is justified

[glad panther]

God I can’t take these big ass numbers in ALS vro

1Bilkion??? Wa da fack

[barren escarp]

ngl a madara vanguard would be fire

nobody can disagree with me on this

[glad panther]

Go make a Vangaurds Madara Stage suggestion fr

[barren escarp]

na kaguya's announced

no need for that

[split timber]

madara is more aura lets be so fr

[barren escarp]

yeah

he was taking on everyone in the anime

the fights with him were fire

[frosty nest]

Madara in astd was so fire

Last update I played

[queen raptor]

Sols followup cone is mid

Something like this

My ahh did not get on stage

Next time tho

[dire egret]

Still a really good boss killer

[split timber]

still think 110k average dps is better than yama or buu cant lie

plus hes immune to everything

below dante but above those 2 bums

yama try not to crash the game challenge

[muted sigil]

problem with sol is that he's limited by a window of power

[split timber]

its 110k average dps still tho

[muted sigil]

and if you try to just spam DI for every other attack or something

[split timber]

65k out of form

[muted sigil]

You lose out on DPS

Because of the transformation and SPA reset

[split timber]

thats true

[dire egret]

I'd still rather use him over Dante

[split timber]

just let it build up

and go down to 0

[muted sigil]

Exactly

[split timber]

i found that to be the best strat

i think dps that's twice as high as buu on a unit that's immune to basically everything in form

[muted sigil]

Which is the idea

[split timber]

should be higher

plus form has solid uptime

from my experiments it was like 36 seconds to enter form

[muted sigil]

It used to be 50% buff for 2% drain

[split timber]

i kinda dislike the shadow spa cap

but aside from that

i think hes just

a solid all around unit

cheap to max, basically unknown element in form, high dps in and out of form

the nuke seems kinda useless tho

cant lie

[dire egret]

must've been like that during testing

[unique crown]

Cant yhwach abuse hard enough

[split timber]

what

yhwach is arguably straight up top 1 unit rn

[unique crown]

Wait im tweaking

[split timber]

comparing anythin to him is unfair

[dire egret]

you gotta commit to him

[unique crown]

Wydm

[split timber]

im making that choice any day

when i see what he's capable of

dk how people just realised how batshit insane yhwach+sakura is

[unique crown]

Yh thats what i meant

Removing the cap on spa for dante

[split timber]

hmm

i dont like the 12 second cap i cant lie

i think it should've just been like 9 or 10

so he could get 3 hits off

@muted sigil any reasons as to why it was particularly made 12 seconds

[muted sigil]

For what?

[split timber]

dante spa

in form

[muted sigil]

Because the animation is just so long

[split timber]

thats kinda annoying huh

[dire egret]

his attack animation being long is why I don't have him in top tier

[unique crown]

I didnt even know animations affected attacks before this

[dire egret]

When was the last time y'all used Gojo? genuine question

[feral granite]

like in dandadan event 💔

[narrow belfry]

like update 3

idk

[thick smelt]

yesterday

[narrow belfry]

i feel like besides esdeath TS units are very underwhelming

[frosty nest]

I used him to afk something