PLEASE NERF ELPHELT

[muted sigil]

instead of batshit insane

[barren escarp]

it was an easy boss killer effortless before

[split timber]

yeah

it literally was just better than vsjw ever was before this

like what

[tranquil cedar]

holy peak

[barren escarp]

legit just convert every 5 million hp enemy and you have 100 million health summons

[muted sigil]

tbh they all are. Though gear boy probably isnt worth it at this point for you

[split timber]

they spawn with 25% hp

[tranquil cedar]

They’re all good

[barren escarp]

that's more than vsjw

eh

[split timber]

exactly

[barren escarp]

still not a limit to it

[tranquil cedar]

lfelt was just broken and ppl mad

[barren escarp]

makes it op

[tranquil cedar]

💔

[muted sigil]

they were supposed to be 10%

🥀

[split timber]

he takes an insane amount of mana to summon bruh

[pulsar frost]

and vsjw needs mana to spawn + needs to kill them lol

[barren escarp]

exactly

[tranquil cedar]

Not even vsjw was that broken

[pulsar frost]

yeah its crazy

[barren escarp]

like

8/100 mana

for 1 summon

i think

[sinful tendon]

honest modifier im 99% sure it works on her loveshot

it should work atleast

its cheap and provides immunity to active abilities like nukes

[tranquil cedar]

and if you used giselle those summons have more hp

💔

[feral granite]

oh yeah fr. i forgot about it. thanks

[muted sigil]

mfw everything is planned in certain ways and then just coded in horribly 🥀

[sinful tendon]

giving away my A tier strats here...

[barren escarp]

are they gonna reset inf leaderboards now

so cooked

[muted sigil]

though tbf love shot was just a mistake initially. not in the aoe size, but the unlimited conversion thing

[sinful tendon]

i think every lb will get reset

[barren escarp]

yeah

[sinful tendon]

like

[muted sigil]

That was owned up to at least and realized

[ancient nymph]

🤯

[misty cliff]

Guess how many enemies worth converting someone sends in pvp? I can tell you its not 20

[tranquil cedar]

LMAO

IMAGINE WORLDLINE LB

[sinful tendon]

infinite, tournament will be reset cause of the modifier bugs

worldines too LOL

240 waves for jack shit

[barren escarp]

who needs vsjw

[sinful tendon]

pvp is getting reset

[muted sigil]

It sure as hell isn't 3 either if your opponent has medea

[barren escarp]

when you have

[north zephyr]

worldlines already getting reset as is

there was another cheese outside of love shot

[misty cliff]

Its called not revealing medea

[tranquil cedar]

crazy

[barren escarp]

doesn't medea work the same as lucy

just bring lucy

[misty cliff]

No lol

[glacial sun]

Is we seriously talking about nerfing a unit that do a lot of damage💀

Lock in

[tranquil cedar]

different

[naive parcel]

medea has the same oneshot mechanic but it only works on 3 enemies

[sinful tendon]

ive never seen ANYONE use lucy in pvp

[muted sigil]

Oathbreaker converts up to 3 enemies as well

[sinful tendon]

despite how broken she can be

[muted sigil]

It's not about nullify

[barren escarp]

oh

[tranquil cedar]

Yea medea good

[north zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1341555168428294248/1367321782545154119/caption.gif

[tranquil cedar]

too bad nobody uses her

including me

[muted sigil]

She's just a hard counter to 3 enemy pushes

[narrow belfry]

her only use is this tourney 😭

[north zephyr]

season 4

[naive parcel]

medea is a must ban in pvp
playing against her just sucks

[sinful tendon]

if they dont have lucy i just do resilient fastx3(orx4) and absorption if they spam summons with boo or yamamoto

[barren escarp]

luce is also op

removes anything

[muted sigil]

yamamoto in pvp

[misty cliff]

At least elphelt isnt a must ban now since shes complete ass

[muted sigil]

removes DR*

[barren escarp]

absorption modifier:

[tranquil cedar]

spamming thrice with someone that has buu

[sinful tendon]

Boo and yamamoto are the funniest troll picks LOL

[naive parcel]

she still is lol

[tranquil cedar]

[barren escarp]

long form?

[sinful tendon]

boo is actually lowkey worse cause his summons cant be halted by an ability like north

[muted sigil]

damage resistance

so resilient, overshield

[barren escarp]

didn't it say

wait

[misty cliff]

Loses to energy drain

[muted sigil]

something about internal mechanics

[sinful tendon]

kazzy counters drain

[naive parcel]

for pvp nothing about her has even changed

[muted sigil]

it's really weird

works on certain things, not on others

[misty cliff]

??

[sinful tendon]

kazzy can cleanse drain immediately for 50% of bar

[muted sigil]

mostly boss mechanics

[barren escarp]

even in the stage the devs said luce is a must ban in pvp

[naive parcel]

the loveshot nerfs have almost 0 effect on pvp

[sinful tendon]

and shes a freeze unit so good cc, has debuff capability

[misty cliff]

So the aoe size, 3 use limit and convert cap doesnt matter?

[tranquil cedar]

they’re mad

lol

[barren escarp]

yeah she basically removes everything

[muted sigil]

the only thing that changed about her in pvp is that you only have 3 "get out of jail" cards instead of an unlimited number

[narrow belfry]

i dont see a point in being mad about this nerf when it was literally stated changes were going to happen in the QNA

we knew ts 😭

[ancient nymph]

What does get out of jail do

[naive parcel]

yea convert cap doesnt really matter for pvp
the only enemies that are hard to deal with are summoned ones

[muted sigil]

it doesn't actually work the way you think it does

[naive parcel]

and aoe size been nerfed
i dont count that

[sinful tendon]

she doesnt remove the crucial stuff though like fast modifiers, regen and drain

[muted sigil]

I think she also stops thrice?

[barren escarp]

drain sucks ngl

[sinful tendon]

lucy is only really good in pvp for the resilient meta

[sinful tendon]

bring kazzy

[sinful tendon]

correct

[barren escarp]

if im not wrong

[sinful tendon]

she stops bosses from splitting too like the compulsary

[barren escarp]

she stops revitalize

aswell

[muted sigil]

it's a Monopoly thing. Basically a "I hit button and avoid thing for free"

[sinful tendon]

idk

[barren escarp]

she stops revitalize

[ancient nymph]

Ok

[barren escarp]

i used her once in tournament

[tranquil cedar]

but inf

[barren escarp]

she stopped it

[muted sigil]

Yeah, it used to be infinitely available

and now it's not

[regal echo]

tournament getting reset right

[sinful tendon]

yes

[barren escarp]

yeah

ofc

[sinful tendon]

tournament is bugged

[tranquil cedar]

def

[regal echo]

good

[muted sigil]

but lets be honest, you're really not using more than 3 of them

[sinful tendon]

if you reset the strong modifier goes away

[tranquil cedar]

why ppl mad

[sinful tendon]

in pvp def not

[tranquil cedar]

More broken than vsjw summons

as a secret

[barren escarp]

cuz they rolled monarch on lfelt

[sinful tendon]

i mean you can counter it using honest or just bait lol

save like 200k

[barren escarp]

they don't want their monarch unit to be nerfed

[sinful tendon]

and spend 200k to put a rlly op bait summon to bait out loveshot

[barren escarp]

in this case lfelt

[muted sigil]

honest doesn't work

[sinful tendon]

and send your main team after

[muted sigil]

It's not a damaging ability

[sinful tendon]

??? is it bugged

holy shit

[narrow belfry]

90% of them probably dont even use love shot like that

[muted sigil]

No

[sinful tendon]

so the bait method

[muted sigil]

That's just how it works lol

That's not a bug

[sinful tendon]

fuck ass ability loveshot

[barren escarp]

lfelt is still top 1 unit

the shotgun ability

op

[sinful tendon]

nobody i play against has brainpower anyways they never bring lfelt into pvp

[naive parcel]

the only counter to loveshot and oathbreaker is spam so many enemies they cant stop them all
so esentially medea and lfelt are mustbans

[narrow belfry]

ppl complaining about a elphelt nerf probably saw the nerf and not even think about it

[feral granite]

thanks for the idea buddy

[barren escarp]

in pvp they just see the monarch sign on any unit they ban

[sinful tendon]

Yw...

[sinful tendon]

real ppl be banning my monarch gojo

and yamamoto

[tranquil cedar]

LMAO

[sinful tendon]

never my goku, never my lfelt

[barren escarp]

fr they even ban my monarch yhwach

ok maybe

that

yea

[feral granite]

once guy was banning my okarun and momo ✌️

[sinful tendon]

LOL SOMEONE left all my monarchs beside yhwach unbanned

banned*

prob the worst unit to not ban

[muted sigil]

what the fuck is this reasoning

[barren escarp]

bring rare units

and win

[sinful tendon]

i did

[muted sigil]

Love shot has literally no difference whether it's monarchs or not 😭

[barren escarp]

lmaoo

[muted sigil]

If anything, it's WORSE for monarch now

[barren escarp]

lock an ability behind a trait

crazy

[sinful tendon]

goat player

[muted sigil]

or always was

[sinful tendon]

tbh if i match against a low level noob i just ban random units usually they quit immediately anyways

[muted sigil]

Because you don't have to sacrifice shotgun loop dps to use love shot if you have multiple placements

[narrow belfry]

same person btw

[barren escarp]

how does she hit enemy towers

do you place her next to them

[muted sigil]

No

[sinful tendon]

u just use ability

[barren escarp]

how are they hit

[sinful tendon]

on them

[muted sigil]

you just target enemy towers with the aoe instead

[barren escarp]

oh

[woeful snow]

the abillity is aimable

[barren escarp]

oh

[sinful tendon]

thats funny too to use with bullet ants if they have no cosmic, no cleanse

[barren escarp]

that's OP

[misty cliff]

Man limiting uses in lieu of "balance" is so lazy

[barren escarp]

20 seconds of stun

crazy

just send a unit with fast modifier

[sinful tendon]

4x fast 1x resilient

[misty cliff]

If it was balanced then you wouldn't need to limit it

[barren escarp]

they aren't gonna bring a cleanser either way

[woeful snow]

av players when they have to read

[sinful tendon]

or absorption if they have like yamamoto or sm stupid ass unit on

[muted sigil]

what do you mean "in lieu of balance", limited uses does balance it

[barren escarp]

absorption is busted

[sinful tendon]

it rlly is

i always leave boo unbanned

[barren escarp]

even heals you

[misty cliff]

Nop

[barren escarp]

when it eats the summons

[sinful tendon]

cause people think hes some insane ass pick

[misty cliff]

Its a cop out

[muted sigil]

if you say so

[sinful tendon]

the heal is crazy its like

200k a summon

it feels like atleast

[barren escarp]

lol

[tranquil cedar]

Bro lfelt is still good

[barren escarp]

this is why vsjw is falling a bit behind

in broken tier

[tranquil cedar]

where the hell are you using more than 3 love shots besides inf

[sinful tendon]

only deadeye

[tranquil cedar]

and pvp

[barren escarp]

his abilities are becoming limited

[barren escarp]

i mean

[sinful tendon]

elite summons arent affected by the absorption

[naive parcel]

even in pvp matches dont usually last that long

[sinful tendon]

you can only use challenger

[misty cliff]

God forbid people want to play inf

[tranquil cedar]

Inf use

Broken summons

[muted sigil]

god forbid people want an inf match to actually end

instead of going on infinitely

[sinful tendon]

game would be super unhealthy if every inf was 300 waves

[misty cliff]

They literally dont

[sinful tendon]

for lb

[muted sigil]

400 wave infinites with old love shot?

[barren escarp]

ngl you can't bring elfelt to pvp

cuz

you need monarch

and when ppl see monarch

[sinful tendon]

u dont rlly

[barren escarp]

neuron activated

[narrow belfry]

they should be a poll with geuinuely how many people actually used love shot

[sinful tendon]

i used her with vigor 2

[misty cliff]

Is 400 waves going on infinitely for you?

[sinful tendon]

and still slammed

[muted sigil]

the traitless in question:

[sinful tendon]

vigor 2 meta

[narrow belfry]

because i refused to believe the amount of ppl complaining about the nerf even used the ability

[barren escarp]

eh

traitless is goated

[sinful tendon]

traitless pvp is a different game

[tranquil cedar]

That’s what I said

[sinful tendon]

i only run traited

they cant ban all my 8 monarchs

[muted sigil]

It might as well be with how long that takes. it's like arx's tourney having a run of 35 hours in first place

[narrow belfry]

if see "nerf" and instantly go to complaining "this unit is so shit now"

[misty cliff]

Might just be the stupidest take Ive ever heard. The majority of people are stupid

They shouldnt be asked about important topics

[barren escarp]

and then get nerfed

[tranquil cedar]

that guy is mad

[feral granite]

i have 5 monarchs 3 of which arent meta for like 7 updates what are my chances

[sinful tendon]

still good

[barren escarp]

"they are just making elfelt useless"

[sinful tendon]

cause the idiots will ban those 3 that arent meta

[barren escarp]

the 250k dps in question:

[split timber]

aw man my ability no longer pulverises everything it hits and turn them into summons

[misty cliff]

400 waves is like 4 hours max bro, holy hyperbole

[split timber]

its so over for me

[sinful tendon]

trust me the kids in traited inf gonna ban my monarch rukia one day

pvp*

[barren escarp]

mf said elfelt is useless

[feral granite]

it will happen on like bronze 😭 ✌️

[tranquil cedar]

I doubt he even uses it

😭

[sinful tendon]

yeah they ban anything monarch

even if its like obito

[split timber]

this was fully fucking needed because lfelt enabled you to go to insanely high waves

[barren escarp]

you never know

[sinful tendon]

then u can just bring lfelt, goku, kazzy

[woeful snow]

watch them ban my monarch rare ichigo

[muted sigil]

Who tf wants to sit in an infinite run for 4+ hours 😭

[sinful tendon]

and steamroll

[split timber]

me and a bunch of lb runners were having chats of how miserable running inf lb would be this season if lfelt didnt get changed

[feral granite]

what if my kazzy is monarch ✌️

[narrow belfry]

bro didnt even know how it worked

[split timber]

like earlier today

[barren escarp]

inf is already endgame ngl

[sinful tendon]

cooked

[misty cliff]

We should reward dedication?

And nobody is forcing you to play infinites

[naive parcel]

we should reward skill
not who has more freetime to sit in a long boring run

[muted sigil]

The gap between infs before Elphelt and after Elphelt with the unnerfed love shot were fucking obscene

[split timber]

who the fuck are you talking on the behalf of

[tranquil cedar]

https://youtu.be/jEmcgsm0xb0?si=DBN6QxslmiZItIM1&t=427

imagine that with inf use

[split timber]

NOT A SINGLE inf lb runner liked love shot

like what are we on about

[narrow belfry]

NO one wants to sit in a inf for 4hrs be fr

[muted sigil]

no no

[misty cliff]

Skill in av? Like how traits wls do?

[muted sigil]

he doesn't watch av videos

remember

[misty cliff]

Which is literally a trait check

[muted sigil]

why would he look at things when they go against his point

[split timber]

idk what to say to say, i don't wanna be mean but i dont think you run inf lb

like

if you did you'd not be crying this much

not a single t12 ik lives lfelt

[crisp osprey]

yo

how much tension does she get

per attack

[muted sigil]

I don't usually agree with Enderian but rn

[split timber]

there were literally people saying they wouldnt run this season because of how ridiculous this shit was

[muted sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

[misty cliff]

And you think limiting an abilities uses is the only way to balance it?

Use your brain

[tranquil cedar]

yes

[naive parcel]

so because wl needs traits we should let infinite runs never end?
let them be a competition of who can sit there the longest without lagging out?

[narrow belfry]

yes

[muted sigil]

yes

[tranquil cedar]

If it’s a ability like this

yes

[split timber]

yeah, limiting it is the only rela way to balance the instant kill button

[misty cliff]

No thats fucking lazy

[muted sigil]

Because it lets the ability still have its identity without trivializing infinites

[misty cliff]

Make it not insta kill then

Idc

[tranquil cedar]

??

[narrow belfry]

bro what

[misty cliff]

But dont arbitrarily limit an ability

By random numbers

[muted sigil]

It's not arbitrary lmao

[naive parcel]

the other way to balance it would be make it have a insanely long coolodwn, limit the number of enemies to be extremely low like oathbreaker, or change the ability enough where its not even the same ability anymore

and all of those kinda suck

[muted sigil]

let's make it one-time use instead

that should fix it

[feral granite]

lets delete it

[misty cliff]

So devs saying "you can only use it 3 times" is not arbitrary?

[misty cliff]

Yea

That would be a better change

[muted sigil]

No?

[barren escarp]

you can balance it

[muted sigil]

Do you even know what arbitrary means?

[barren escarp]

just turn elfelt into a vanguard

[split timber]

yeah, this scenario is way better than the one we had pre this nerf

[tranquil cedar]

LMAO

[misty cliff]

No its not

[split timber]

the unit that does the highest dps in the game doesn't fucking need the strongest ability too

[misty cliff]

Id rather have an op ability which I have freedom over

[narrow belfry]

break the 4 vanguard a year rule just for her

seasonl GGST banner

[misty cliff]

Rather than being a slave of the devs

Whims

[split timber]

she basically already is one tbh

[narrow belfry]

shes above all 3 of them anyways

[split timber]

mhm

[muted sigil]

The reasoning is that 3 is a reasonable number of "panic buttons" to have on an ability because you're never really using that many in normal play outside of maybe pvp or in just infinites

[barren escarp]

remove every other unit from the game

[glass merlin]

Cause Valk likes her so much

[misty cliff]

How about you dont give a unit a panic button at all?

[muted sigil]

He's literally in the process of nerfing her

we're just waiting on them lmao

[barren escarp]

she's still getting nerfed?

[narrow belfry]

is it more to love shot or her overall DPS

[glass merlin]

Thank god

[barren escarp]

community outrage finna go crazy

[split timber]

hopefully the dps goes from 260k

to 170k

or 180k

[naive parcel]

not all nerfs

[pulsar frost]

"You can click my profile I like Akuma so im not even biased" 💔

[narrow belfry]

respectable number imo then

[split timber]

i think 50% more dps than gogeta is good enough

can we agree on that?

[narrow belfry]

still makes her a really good unit but not a braindead machine gun unit

[pulsar frost]

still a lot for a stage secret but as long as its lowered

[split timber]

and i think we should all be able to agree than 260k dps (gogeta does like 110k) isn't exactly good for the game

[narrow belfry]

i was able to get to top 3 on the last tourney purely but just putting her on auto and waiting to cid nuke

[split timber]

im fine with 180k

[pulsar frost]

does he do 110k? idts

[split timber]

im not asking for an insane amount

[split timber]

he does with triple godly and ability active

since clone is just his dps x 2

[narrow belfry]

180k puts her like top 3?

[split timber]

top 1

[pulsar frost]

its like 65k-70k including clone

[split timber]

lol

[narrow belfry]

ah

overestimating dps then ngl

i think 180k is fine

[split timber]

no dawg

[naive parcel]

gogeta def does more than 110k if lfelt is dealing 260k dps
pretty sure the lfelt dps is with a full team of buffers and a max birb

[pulsar frost]

wym no dawg u can literally just do dmg/spa for his dpa and double that

[narrow belfry]

now inexchange of nerfing her to 180k dps lets change her element to cosmic 🤞 🤞

[split timber]

well he does like 135k with a good birb

[naive parcel]

his dps without clone is like 50k without a familiar
for monarch

[feral granite]

as i remember, my gogeta does like 130 or 140k dps with good birb, triple godly

[split timber]

no its with uh

darkspirit

and no buffers

lol

[pulsar frost]

so do i have the temu version or something, do u have any pics?

[split timber]

this is lfelt dps

for anyone who wants to calc it

[tranquil cedar]

😭

[pulsar frost]

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[narrow belfry]

my ranked teammates

[tranquil cedar]

She’s not even bad

[naive parcel]

have these people ever used her for pvp😭

[split timber]

and this is with a 108 familiar

[naive parcel]

these changes do not affect pvp unless you have 40 minute matches😭

[split timber]

smth like 130 would last way longer

[pulsar frost]

if only i got monarch

[misty cliff]

Just remove her ability to one shot vbro

[narrow belfry]

i got a 125 one and i am constantly able to loop without losing tension

[misty cliff]

Thats how you balance a unit

[narrow belfry]

when i was manually doing it

[pulsar frost]

all the guys with lfelt monarch are going to cry harder than lortomo

[narrow belfry]

i had basically constant uptime

[misty cliff]

Not by removing player aghencyy

[split timber]

with 130 i believe you can basically inf loop with an autoclicker

which nets the insane dps

[barren escarp]

as much as i hate gogeta

he should have higher dps

he's a vanguard

[misty cliff]

Lortomo literally hit the fakest cry ever

[split timber]

no hes okay as is

[narrow belfry]

never tried with a auto clicker, i was manually clicking, but it was my first time doing it correctly so i did dip in dps

[barren escarp]

bro

[narrow belfry]

on my like 3rd attempt i was constantly looping

[pulsar frost]

lowkey funny im ngl

[misty cliff]

Gogeta is ass

[split timber]

lets not powercreep every unit because lfelt does too much dps

[misty cliff]

They tried to justify with tp

[barren escarp]

gogeta only gets his max potential which is 160k dps when his 1st passive is maxed out

[misty cliff]

When frieren literally does the same thing

[barren escarp]

1st passive only maxes out in inf

for gogeta

50% dmg

[feral granite]

✌️

[barren escarp]

barely

[split timber]

this is the worst argument you could make man

[barren escarp]

how did u break the 100% limit

[misty cliff]

She literally does

She can tp exactly like gogeta

[feral granite]

corruption 3

[split timber]

not nearly the same thing but okay

[pulsar frost]

corruption 3

[misty cliff]

Elaborate then

[pulsar frost]

i got 140 with it lol

[split timber]

can you position her in perfect places to utilize her cone

[misty cliff]

Go on

Yea

[barren escarp]

dang im sleeping on odyssey

[misty cliff]

Use last targeting

[barren escarp]

never done it

[misty cliff]

Like every other cone

[pulsar frost]

its just unfun imo

[barren escarp]

dante does not do more

[narrow belfry]

😭

[barren escarp]

lol

[woeful snow]

whos gonna tell them about shotgun cycle

[pulsar frost]

💔

[split timber]

Gogeta does not need a buff, lets not go there

hes okay as is

[barren escarp]

idk bro

[split timber]

👍

[barren escarp]

i feel like he does

[misty cliff]

Now lets look at traitless

[barren escarp]

i don't have gogeta but

he's not that good

[tranquil cedar]

give diavolo cone

[split timber]

hes 1 placement

[barren escarp]

180k yen to max out

[split timber]

duh

[pulsar frost]

imo hes fine

[pulsar frost]

yeah just rlly expensive

[glass merlin]

No1 cares

[misty cliff]

So why shouldnt that be changed?

[glass merlin]

Ur not gonna use gogeta with traitless

[split timber]

making him 3 placement would achieve what exactly?

[pulsar frost]

crazy elphelt has basically half the upgrade cost with more than double the dps 😭

[misty cliff]

Nothing

Thats not what I suggested

[barren escarp]

with her ability ofc

[split timber]

then wtf are you suggesting

[barren escarp]

otherwise her dps is buns

[misty cliff]

4 placement

[split timber]

the ability needs just a 2sec autoclicker to use

[barren escarp]

now that i think about it

gogeta is as good as he is

[split timber]

someone needs to fill in for 1970 ig

[muted sigil]

there's a lot of candidates tbh

[pulsar frost]

i mean u can just keep spamming that so

basically fulltime

[muted sigil]

every day i look in suggestions it's like someone new is so eager to have that stupid ass spongebob role

[barren escarp]

only with high black spirit

[split timber]

@pulsar frost without ability, 15% damage buff so far

[barren escarp]

but she can solo anything in the game

[misty cliff]

Idc about a role broski

[split timber]

*20%

[misty cliff]

I care about the truth

[split timber]

literally got it soon as i took the ss

[pulsar frost]

crazy

[split timber]

he hits 100k quite easily

[pulsar frost]

not that hard to get im ngl

[barren escarp]

yeah he's quite op

[split timber]

even rn he's at it

fully built he does enough

[pulsar frost]

problem is the potential

[split timber]

the issue isnt gogeta being underpowered

[misty cliff]

And he misses 10% of the time

[split timber]

the issue is lfelt being the most braindead unit ever

[barren escarp]

they finna nerf elfelt's loveshot again

[split timber]

nerf shotgun loop

or her follow up passive

[barren escarp]

nerf that shit to the ground and don't touch shotgun loop

[split timber]

260k is NOT okay

[misty cliff]

And revert the cap

[tranquil cedar]

she dying

[split timber]

bro the most she'll fall to is like 170k

chill out

vergil is considered good because he does that to 1 enemy in his range

i think she'll be just fine

[muted sigil]

love shot's probably in its final state

[glass merlin]

What role do you get from suggestions??

[muted sigil]

now to fix the stuff with shotgun loop

[barren escarp]

oh nah

[muted sigil]

dumbest av player

[barren escarp]

bro

[split timber]

the unit going from top 1 dps to top 1 dps is probabky okay

[barren escarp]

powercreep the game then nerf everything

[misty cliff]

I will talk with valk about this.

[barren escarp]

istg

[tranquil cedar]

stun shotgun def getting fixed

[split timber]

🙏

[barren escarp]

ts powercreep every update

[muted sigil]

don't worry, I already am

[split timber]

it wasnt this bad tbh

[misty cliff]

Tell him to remove the cap and the one shot

Its literally that simple

[muted sigil]

He's not going to lmao

[naive parcel]

removing the oneshot is removing the entire ability😭

[muted sigil]

He's the one that said to put the cap in

[misty cliff]

Rework ir

[barren escarp]

only her and yhwach can solo ex stage

[split timber]

sjwv is insane but he doesnt just destroy everything in raw stats

[tranquil cedar]

damn

valk betrayed sean

[barren escarp]

bro

he does

he can solo

[barren escarp]

just keep replacing him

and spawning bear

[barren escarp]

someone litteraly soloed

with that

replace vsjw and spawn bear

[naive parcel]

and clone means 2x dmg

[pulsar frost]

man i swear he didnt use to do this much

[misty cliff]

Clone doesnt get the dmg buff

[split timber]

okay well that tech is actually pretty stupid

[pulsar frost]

🥀

[naive parcel]

it does

[barren escarp]

yeah

[split timber]

not this bullshit again

[barren escarp]

with monarch vsjw

like

100k dmg per bear

and he only costs 1.7k to replace

[misty cliff]

I literally click on the clone and it doesnt

[split timber]

i dont like bear spam either tbh you're correct about that kinda stopped doing boss rush lbs right as it spawned

[naive parcel]

look at the dmg it deals rather than the dmg it displays

[split timber]

now put some effort into it, and turn on damage indicators, and see if the damage is different

[naive parcel]

i look at the dmg numbers of my gogeta, each hit is 58k, including the hits from the clone

[misty cliff]

Yea let me just divide the rounded numbers by the enemies the attack may have hit

In a matter of seconds

[split timber]

can we give him the 1970 role already he deserves it

[naive parcel]

sandbox exists for stuff like this lol

[tranquil cedar]

no

[naive parcel]

has to be ragebait

[split timber]

yeah man it's truly rocket science to see how damage 1 attack did

[tranquil cedar]

he not close to 1970

[barren escarp]

bro surpassed his father

lore accurate

[woeful snow]

is gohan so high because he can be placed so early

[tranquil cedar]

yes

[muted sigil]

clone just uses the real gogeta's stats

[naive parcel]

hes also just a good dps too

[split timber]

goku is overglazed cl gohan has a very good niche atleast

[muted sigil]

regardless of what buffs are on clone

[naive parcel]

gohan is underated

[muted sigil]

I don't think Valk realized that when he talked about it on stage because vergil's doppel didn't work like that

[split timber]

yeah i was curious about that too

[naive parcel]

yea i dont think shin knew either

[split timber]

i requested xopt to ask about it if he did get on stage

[barren escarp]

i feel like gilgamesh can be higher

[split timber]

ig its just gonna be a visual change then

[split timber]

above rom?nah

[pulsar frost]

why is yama above buu

[barren escarp]

why is ragna above all of them

[split timber]

maybe ragna should be sent to the shadow realm

[barren escarp]

lol

i mean

ragna

isn't that bad

he deals freeze

[little helm]

ranga is meh

[barren escarp]

and has high dmg

[split timber]

2 centimeter circle

cant sell and replace

[barren escarp]

just give him solar

[muted sigil]

ragna the goat

[split timber]

takes forever to set up

[barren escarp]

or marksman

[little helm]

ragna really is a wl unit

[split timber]

fuck ragna all my homies hate ragna

[barren escarp]

not forever vro

[naive parcel]

ragna takes too long to build
thats his main issue
goated for the monarchless tho

[pulsar frost]

why do u say echidna but use priscilla

[barren escarp]

takes 40 seconds to build

then spam upg

[narrow belfry]

new buffer = ragna upscaling 🤣 🤞

[little helm]

Because ppl make shit art if Echidna

[split timber]

6 waves minimum from haruka herself

more if you're waiting on r2z or smth

[little helm]

i literally got limited options

[tranquil cedar]

He can get buffed if someone has foo too now

[barren escarp]

ragna is underrated

[tranquil cedar]

peak

[barren escarp]

give him astolfo buff

[little helm]

his alr good just shit ass aoe

[pulsar frost]

check dms i got a good pfp u should totally use it

[barren escarp]

tbh the circle aoe at his last upg

is BUNSSSS

[muted sigil]

im a d1 ragna glazer

[tranquil cedar]

the diavolo treatment

[misty cliff]

Ragna is infinite meta with all the new supports

[barren escarp]

yeah

ragna with alot of supports

is actually great

[little helm]

glaze as much as you want

[tranquil cedar]

Astolfo and foo is peak buffs for him

[misty cliff]

Circle aoe is only bad if you dont one shot enemies

[little helm]

Astrolf helps him so new combo

[misty cliff]

If you do then it doesnt matter

[split timber]

sol below buu and yama is lowkey a crime

[barren escarp]

yeah since he stacks the buffs per placement

he can go even higher

[little helm]

makes him immune to stun too

[tranquil cedar]

yea

spellbook

with more dmg buffs too

hm…

[misty cliff]

Do multiple foos stack

[tranquil cedar]

nah

[misty cliff]

Dam

[barren escarp]

ngl his silverite slam is way better than rage flurry

[pulsar frost]

does status ailment immunity counter stuns?

i thought it was only for debuffs

[barren escarp]

a.k.a his line aoe is way better than his circle aoe

[little helm]

ye

[tranquil cedar]

yea

[pulsar frost]

buh

[little helm]

thats called status debuff

[naive parcel]

status ailment immunity doesnt exist anymore
its status effects or debuffs

[tranquil cedar]

asto is good for stuff like virgil too

[little helm]

buff my boy vsjw

[muted sigil]

that's what a stun is

debuffs are stat modifiers

[pulsar frost]

thought ailments were debuffs

[muted sigil]

no

[pulsar frost]

🥀

[naive parcel]

fuck nah

[muted sigil]

they're two different things

[naive parcel]

thats why ailments dont exist anymore

[tranquil cedar]

canon ragna?

[pulsar frost]

so it counters stuns but not debuffs?

[muted sigil]

yes

[little helm]

342.46 dan da dan

[pulsar frost]

cid is immune to debuffs right?

[naive parcel]

yes

[hushed forum]

ye

[pulsar frost]

mkay ty

[little helm]

yes

[barren escarp]

ragna max potential

totally not sandbox

[little helm]

Wl potential

[barren escarp]

i mean

he can get 120k traitless

with freeze

[tranquil cedar]

best unit in the game

[barren escarp]

it's great

[barren escarp]

how would birb work on him

would he stack the buffs

[little helm]

no

[tranquil cedar]

I think that would be

a lil too good

[thick smelt]

hell no
let her be broken fr

[twilit trellis]

Horrid suggestion

[barren escarp]

g&b player mindset

[tranquil cedar]

might as well be consider

monarch 2.0

[thick smelt]

😭

[muted sigil]

we realized why familiars can't be stat buffs when the AV familiar came out lol

It made ragna one of the strongest units in the game lol

Instead they're stat modifiers now

[barren escarp]

they are nerfing him on purpose istg

[little helm]

make ragna

unknown element

[muted sigil]

with a couple exceptions like dog and saibaman because they're ass

[little helm]

🔥

[muted sigil]

but then no pachiru strats

🥀

[little helm]

yk what give ragna every element

[barren escarp]

ALS common unit damage

:

[thick smelt]

ragna users when kizame appears: 🪦

[barren escarp]

stop nerfing lfelt

start nerfing naruto

[tranquil cedar]

Yea I actually

might start using ragna again

[barren escarp]

i mostly use ragna as freeze cc

but his dmg is also good

[sinful tendon]

Lets buff vsjw, buff lfelt damage, buff gogeta, make vergil clone have full aoe follow ups with -5% chance per follow up, and lets nerf obito, lets also nerf the dandadan units

[thick smelt]

i can't get him after 150 portals (all manually)

[barren escarp]

noob

i got him in 70 portals

manually

[sinful tendon]

i got like

[thick smelt]

😭

[sinful tendon]

8 ragnas bro

[barren escarp]

it only took 21 hours

[sinful tendon]

dust collection unit

[woeful snow]

i got him off a friend's portal (1st try)

[thick smelt]

how the hell everyone have ragna except me

😭

[barren escarp]

i got ragna when i was lvl 20

now im lvl 70

was one of my best first starter units

[thick smelt]

i just want him for his cosmetic

[barren escarp]

especially his 800k dmg in ant dungeon

[thick smelt]

please av devs give me one 🙏🏼

[split timber]

youre gonna have to pay people to take him off your hands

lol

[barren escarp]

he will be worth alot in trading

[sinful tendon]

ill trade like 8 of him for a haruka rin

idec

[woeful snow]

you dont have haruka?

[sinful tendon]

didnt finish the bp on release

[thick smelt]

damn

[barren escarp]

hear me out

ragna 2nd evo

[woeful snow]

i mean it was 25 levels but they reset it pretty quickly

[sinful tendon]

when trading comes imma just get her and esdeath

no big deal

[thick smelt]

make ragna like aba

[woeful snow]

give him a 1 shot

[barren escarp]

they should only make trading for exclusive units

tbh

[sinful tendon]

yeah thats how it will be ig

the vanguards, wl units, bp units and other exclusives

it wont be like ad where u can just trade anything

[barren escarp]

yeah i still don't have gogeta

[thick smelt]

trading 10k bundle for ragna and choy

[barren escarp]

put vanguards there aswell

oh dan

giv eme

[sinful tendon]

it will cuz nobody has diavolo lol

compared to gogeta

[barren escarp]

gogeta is inflated

as shit

[feral granite]

trading momo for allat

[barren escarp]

he's everywhere

everywhere i go

[sinful tendon]

real hes not even rare

[thick smelt]

my friend want 100 rerolls for his shiny choy

[sinful tendon]

2 gogetas before 1 alucard btw

[barren escarp]

every pvp match i see a monarch gogeta

[sinful tendon]

2.35m gems no alucard...

pain goes on

[barren escarp]

ill stop hating on gogeta once i get him

[sinful tendon]

100 rr is cheap

[barren escarp]

fr

[sinful tendon]

if i rlly wanted a shiny exclusive unit i liked id pay in the range of 300-400

[barren escarp]

shiny exclusive unit?

hell ea

[sinful tendon]

another

nice

[split timber]

THANK GOD

ITS DONE

[sinful tendon]

the beheading has been complete

[tranquil cedar]

LMAO

[woeful snow]

she's probably still top dps but whatever

[barren escarp]

@muted sigil you got what you wanted

10% hp

on summons

wait no more repulse

noo

[feral granite]

do you like rengoku shiny

[split timber]

shes still top tier lets not get it messed up

just became balanced now

[sinful tendon]

Hell no

[feral granite]

🙄

[sinful tendon]

id normalise rengoku shiny

i dont fw demon slayer

[barren escarp]

5 second cd

fall off

[woeful snow]

still meta

[barren escarp]

yhwach should be top 1 now

[muted sigil]

Ah, there we go

[sinful tendon]

YHWACH is king

[barren escarp]

start changing the tierlists

[muted sigil]

there's the rest of the changes

[barren escarp]

put the soul king ontop

remove this fodder

[sinful tendon]

Tell me who the fuck to spend my rolls on now

[barren escarp]

5 second cooldown

[sinful tendon]

I want to gamble

[thick smelt]

i forgot to add a extra 0

[sinful tendon]

I dont want to save

[barren escarp]

naruto

[sinful tendon]

id pay 1k for shiny esdeath

im ngl

[sinful tendon]

imma get the vanguard but

nah im not saving for no naruto

[barren escarp]

naruto with kurama

[sinful tendon]

let 6.5 be berserk

[barren escarp]

new rarity super vanguard

berserk needs it's own xx.0

[sinful tendon]

ill save 5k to pity guts and griffith on god

true but

theres not that many units that can rlly be added

[reef ferry]

Stop touching these new units, it’s harassment

[sinful tendon]

skull knight, guts, griffith/femto, void, then maybe sonia and schierke idk

[barren escarp]

lfelt's 3rd nerf

[tranquil cedar]

she dead

[short bluff]

dont nerf i have monarch on her

[barren escarp]

how far can we go

[tranquil cedar]

❤️

[barren escarp]

been nerfed 3 times

[thick smelt]

isn't her shiny the same as aa

[barren escarp]

just pack up bro

ask for the refund

[sinful tendon]

prob tbh its the black dress

[short bluff]

and thats enough

[tranquil cedar]

work on

[barren escarp]

nah

[tranquil cedar]

ragna instead

[barren escarp]

shotgun loop still op

[short bluff]

no nerf pls

[barren escarp]

nerf again

[woeful snow]

its like her outfit but black

[barren escarp]

ok but

[barren escarp]

shouldn't the 5s cd stop her 250k dps?

[sinful tendon]

😱

real

[muted sigil]

Yes, it does

[barren escarp]

let's go

[sinful tendon]

yea i need that

[barren escarp]

that will give her way lower dps actually

[muted sigil]

You can't just go 1-2 between shotgun loop and oki back and forth

[woeful snow]

what would her dps be now

[muted sigil]

fuck if i know, i dont do dps calcs

[barren escarp]

ngl a 5s cd is too much

this nerf is too wild

[little helm]

2dps

[barren escarp]

back to the trenches

[woeful snow]

wasn't it like 3s before

[barren escarp]

no

[tranquil cedar]

0

[barren escarp]

she didn't have a cd

[woeful snow]

o

[barren escarp]

which is why she had 250k dps

[tranquil cedar]

my goat yama is monarch now

❤️

trust

[sinful tendon]

i got him monarch

hes still good lol but i never use him

i dont have the beabadobee ahh familiar though

[barren escarp]

🦟 🦟

[spring gorge]

i wonder how people feel after getting monarch on lfelt just for her to get nerfed to the ground

[sinful tendon]

I spent like

300 rrs on her

[barren escarp]

she still deals some dps tbh

[split timber]

thank fucking god

[sinful tendon]

I am LIVID!!!

[spring gorge]

they should balance their units before releasing them

[barren escarp]

like not that bad

atleast like 60k dps

[sinful tendon]

But on a real note im stuck

[thick smelt]

then yea

[sinful tendon]

im more upset that Idk who to gamble on

[twilit trellis]

yeah thanks valk

[split timber]

vergil does all his dps in a 2 inch circle dawg i think shes above him

[barren escarp]

rip

[spring gorge]

i know she is broken but thats just an L from the devs

[barren escarp]

ask for a refund

[muted sigil]

yall act like the unit is dead

[barren escarp]

[sinful tendon]

Who do i roll on

[muted sigil]

She's still worth the monarch

[split timber]

????????????

[twilit trellis]

lets do the balancing after the game comes out guys after everyones already rolled

[split timber]

are you kidding me

[sinful tendon]

Please shoot me some suggestions

[muted sigil]

she's still insanely strong

[sinful tendon]

Who can I gamble on!

[dire egret]

Devs need to stop fucking with the units this much

[spring gorge]

pretty dead to me

[thick smelt]

nerf the other secret

why her 😭

[split timber]

you wanted the 260k dps to stay??

you guys really don't care

jesus

[sinful tendon]

DO i rly have to roll on dante now

[barren escarp]

ppl have monarch on her now

[dire egret]

It’s not even that it’s that the devs can’t balance for shit

[barren escarp]

it's late to nerf her

[spring gorge]

acting like she the only one that reaches that much dps

[muted sigil]

It's almost like the balance is usually planned out before hand but then never gets implemented properly because okizeme was always supposed to have a 5 second cooldown and it was just never put in

[twilit trellis]

no hes actually just bad now

[barren escarp]

the balancing is buns

[split timber]

yes idiot she is

💀

[muted sigil]

love shot was a mistake, though, yes. That was owned up to and fixed

[split timber]

no other unit reaches above 200k

[sinful tendon]

bruh tbh these "intentional" changes being added weeks after an upd

[spring gorge]

[sinful tendon]

are getting out of hand

[barren escarp]

only a monarch aizen could come near that

with his aura passive

and max

[split timber]

no unit besides vergil reaches 150k and he does all his dps in a 2 cm circle

[dire egret]

How incompetent are the devs at balancing 🤦

[sinful tendon]

id rather the devs just come out and say they are nerfing it cause its far too op

[thick smelt]

make her ability one time use

[sinful tendon]

rather than say it wasnt supposed to be like that

[reef ferry]

Tier list definitely needs a rework

[muted sigil]

Considering we had to wait almost a week from telling them what the change was supposed to be to actually getting it implemented

[sinful tendon]

who can i roll on then

[split timber]

i agree that post upd nerfs are bad but 260k dps staying as is is way worse

lets all be real rn

[spring gorge]

aizen yhwach vergil vsjw with his summons

[reef ferry]

?

[sinful tendon]

kazzy might be the only option

[naive parcel]

they did
they already said they messed up loveshot and it was too op
the follow up cd was supposed to be there tho

[sinful tendon]

💔

[sinful tendon]

why did it take a week tho

[split timber]

no unit should have 260k dps

[barren escarp]

only the soul king can solo the ex stage now

[sinful tendon]

to find this out

was she even tested

[reef ferry]

The devs never want to say nerf, they always call it bug fixes or “it was always intended that..”