Disable handcuffs in SOLO Cid raid act 2

[pure stag]

260k

Dps

[topaz star]

the devs need to stop taking drugs

[static sky]

that's after love shot nerf?

[hearty gazelle]

love shot has nothing to do with her dps

[pure stag]

You probably wont ever reach that manually but theres this handy tool called autoclicker

[topaz star]

what kinda shit they taking and how expensive

[pure stag]

Yeah love shot is just another braindead part of her kit because instakill abilities make sense

[hearty gazelle]

love shot is her other ability. it is busted right now but it was a nerf for pvp and infinite runs

[static sky]

but it kinda does?

[pure stag]

No?

[hearty gazelle]

I didnt use it at all during my act 4 runs

[static sky]

not talking about numerical value I'm saying in general

[pure stag]

Its dummy broken for inf yes

Dont know how it got through testing

I dont know how this entire unit got through testing tbh how does a jump of 150% dps from the previous top 1 make sense

Valk seems a little too happy about pulling an als

[hearty gazelle]

everything with that unit outside of the love shot was intentional

[pure stag]

Yeah appears so

[hybrid moat]

Probably because love shot wasn’t really extensively tested and the focus was more on shotgun loop

[pure stag]

It takes 2 seconds of thought to see why an ability that insta kills anything besides bosses and summons them with 25% hp would be omega broken

[hybrid moat]

Considering the aoe just kept getting bigger in testing for no apparent reason

And was brought up several times

When it was supposed to be Oathbreaker sized

[static sky]

this could've been cid 🥀

[hearty gazelle]

cid is strong

[pure stag]

Clearly shotgun pump also wasnt tested properly

[static sky]

funny guy

[pure stag]

I find it insanely funny how you guys keep trying to justify the absurd jump in power

That a random secret who wasnt even the main quest of the update brought along

[hybrid moat]

Fun fact

Her pistol shot was supposed to have a cooldown too, not just the grenade part for pvp

[hearty gazelle]

she would have been dead on release

well outside of pvp that is

[pure stag]

Having 150k dps wouldve been 1 thing because at the very least thats still somewhat close to then current number 1

But powercliffing units by 100s of thousands of dps is just insanity

[silver pelican]

I heard ppl say vergil was nerfed

the follow ups

is that true

[pure stag]

Nah

[hearty gazelle]

no

[weary yarrow]

Is this fixed yet

[silver pelican]

ah okay

so the follow ups were always the small ass aoe?

[hearty gazelle]

yes

[hybrid moat]

Me when I go and do a quick little damage test and she only does 1m more to a boss with somewhat suboptimal looping while starting with 200% meter and having a 100% black spirit

[pure stag]

They were full aoe for a shoet period of time

[ocean lichen]

They been small circle for a month

[pure stag]

The dps calcs arent mine lol

[hybrid moat]

Has been fixed for well over a month now lmao

[sinful quail]

Can u reply me where I pinged u bro

[hybrid moat]

What

[hearty gazelle]

I dont really care about her dps. its just damage = yes. Its very inconsistent

[weary yarrow]

He aint your bitch bro

[pure stag]

Its from @misogimy

[sinful quail]

Stfup bro

[pure stag]

With a 120 spirit

And an autoclicker

[sinful quail]

Ye I pinged u in a thing Abt some js check my ping once

[pure stag]

Id say its pretty accurate too

[hybrid moat]

Oh the tournament skin thing

[sinful quail]

Ye pyseph said to figure with testers

[weary yarrow]

Do people not like it or?

[hybrid moat]

Idk what we’re supposed to do, we already know some skins weren’t given out, how are we supposed to know why

[weary yarrow]

Oh

Bug issue

[hearty gazelle]

yea wheres my skin

[static sky]

diff skins were given out than rewards I think

[hybrid moat]

In my inventory

[sinful quail]

Hmm instead of knowing why can't u js make like the support thingy for skins?

[ocean lichen]

some ppl just didnt get at all apparently

[hybrid moat]

Sorry I put the wrong shipping label on it

[static sky]

crazy

[ocean lichen]

i got mine

[sinful quail]

I didnt

[hybrid moat]

That’s not how that works

[sinful quail]

Hmm can't u js gimme my I can give u my user and proof

[hybrid moat]

I can’t just give you a skin bro

I’m a tester 😭

[static sky]

probably try the support server idk

[hybrid moat]

I can’t do anything

[sinful quail]

Pyseph smoking some legit

[hearty gazelle]

just get top 5 again problem fixed

[hybrid moat]

Testers don’t have commands on live server lmao

[sinful quail]

Hmm so how can I restore the skin then?

[static sky]

dyk why they made challenges local timers instead of global, just curious

[weary yarrow]

Just dont play tournaments

[sinful quail]

Nah I need gender bender saber skin

[weary yarrow]

Its not a gender bend btw

[sinful quail]

I alr know it's king arthur

[weary yarrow]

💀

[hybrid moat]

Not a clue lmao

[hybrid moat]

What

[static sky]

🥀

[hybrid moat]

No???

[ocean lichen]

its a guilty gear character😭

[weary yarrow]

Does he know…

[sinful quail]

????

[hybrid moat]

That’s Ky Kiske from guilty gear

[hybrid moat]

All the LB skins are guilty gear characters rn

[static sky]

still gender bend cause actual saber is a female with a male ky kisuke skin tho right

[sinful quail]

Hmm so will this week I be not getting skin?

[hybrid moat]

I don’t know dude

[ocean lichen]

i mean kinda
but 💀

[hybrid moat]

I genuinely don’t know what we’re expected to do here

[sinful quail]

Ehh I gotta forward this shit now

[ocean lichen]

my solution to the skin dilemma is just get another one

[hearty gazelle]

yer

[sinful quail]

Bro u talkin like u gon win us tournament

[static sky]

my solution to the skin dilemma is make challenges better so everyone forgets abt the dumb skins

[ocean lichen]

top 5 isnt that hard to get
well might be hard with week
i think medea is being used

[weary yarrow]

Yeah just fix the game

[ocean lichen]

im confused how those are related in any way shape or form

are you one of the ppl who want rr challenges removed and want the rrs moved to other stuff?

[static sky]

they aren't but rerolls makes everything better

[static sky]

HELL no

that was some1 else

[weary yarrow]

I wouldnt mind

[ocean lichen]

i been seeing a weird ammount of ppl asking for that

[weary yarrow]

Rr challenges and bounties boring af

Av try to be fun challenge

[ocean lichen]

one of the suggestions wanted the rrs you could earn from challenges to be moved to bounties😭

[static sky]

tbf it's better than doing challenges cause challenges are just horrendous to farm but no that's not what I was supporting

[rocky reef]

bounties is so soulless

[weary yarrow]

Ew

[pure stag]

I kinda get it

[rocky reef]

Which brainlet suggested this 😭

[pure stag]

Not mine but

Challenges are just horrible

[static sky]

^^^

[ocean lichen]

ppl who want free rrs
they want challenge rrs suplimented into the stuff everybody already grinds so they just get more free rrs

[sinful quail]

Fr

[ocean lichen]

i cant even remember the last time i did a half hourly challenge

[weary yarrow]

Still waiting for more advanced stage mechanics

[hearty gazelle]

I heard half-hour rrs are cursed and you cant get monarch from them

[weary yarrow]

We entering the psych ward with this one 🗣️

[static sky]

once u become tester for a game, actual game isnt really fun anymore

[static sky]

know someone who got 3 monarchs this upd with those so

[weary yarrow]

No i bet its way more fun actually having a chance to have real input on game concepts

I disagree heavy

[ocean lichen]

i play the rest
i have just never farmed challenges
if im ever so bored that i would farm challenges, i just play a different game

[static sky]

u think they can do that until u actually become tester

[pure stag]

You kinda just need to do challenges at this point tbh especially if they think units like lfelt are okay

[weary yarrow]

She wont be getting nerfed

They didnt nerf vsjw

[pure stag]

Im aware

[weary yarrow]

Hard chance theyll nerf her

[pure stag]

Vsjw didnt do 260k dps

[weary yarrow]

But vsjw made all stage mechanics and modifiers irrelevant

[pure stag]

Also they did actually "nerf", in inf

[static sky]

where did u get that number from btw

[ocean lichen]

its already been said she will be recieving a nerf
to loveshot at least cuz its insanely broken rn

[weary yarrow]

Im sure the 7 inf players are mourning vsjw nerf

[static sky]

Cid 🥀

[pure stag]

Hes way more balanced than a unit that costs 100k and does 260k dps ima be real

Thats a 150% powercliff from the previous number 1 basically.

[ocean lichen]

260k dps with every single buff in the game

[weary yarrow]

I guess?

Theres also yuha?

[pure stag]

No actually

Hold up

[static sky]

u need a full team reserved for that, he isn't really that broken

[hybrid moat]

I dunno how it’s 250k

[static sky]

^^

[hybrid moat]

She hits that for 1 attack

[pure stag]

@dawn lion gave me the calcs

Not mine

[hybrid moat]

And then loses the 30% bonus from P1 for the Okizeme shot

[static sky]

I saw her doing 60k dps 260k dmg per 4.5 seconds or so

[weary yarrow]

Youre not maxing out more than one or two units in a progressive mode outside of portals and maybe raids

[pure stag]

I simply tested them in sandbox

[hybrid moat]

She only gets a 30% bonus on shotgun loop’s attack

[pure stag]

And they seem to be correct

So

[dawn lion]

Its probably less in practice but still above 200k

[static sky]

guess what, they just added cheaper broken units so now u can max even more ;)

[pure stag]

Those were with autoclicker right

[weary yarrow]

Yuha is like 70k bro

[pure stag]

Im ps people already have made magnos to perfectly time her ability lol

[weary yarrow]

~200k is accurate?

[dawn lion]

All you need is a 2s autoclicker and a good spirit, and she does it 66% of the time

[weary yarrow]

Damn

[static sky]

no, he just has huge range, it's like 50k or so

[weary yarrow]

Thats still insane

[pure stag]

Yeah thats quite unbalanced id say 💀

[weary yarrow]

I meant 70k to max

[hybrid moat]

All I know was that in a direct comparison to vergil, she did about 11.5m and he did about 10.5m. She probably could’ve hit 12-13 if I was a bit better at looping, but she got to start with full gauge and a black spirit so

[ocean lichen]

yea yuha is around 70k to max

[dawn lion]

What spirit were you using?

[hybrid moat]

Granted, it wasn’t super in depth, because I wasn’t about to spend an hour on a dozen runs because I’m tired

[hybrid moat]

Like 102%

[static sky]

💀 probably more expensive but still low ig, he's rift unit so worth

[dawn lion]

you get about an extra percent of bar per attack from 120% and 140% I had a 125% when I counted

[ocean lichen]

also yuha is def more than 50k dps

[pure stag]

Yeah

[static sky]

idk, 400k or so every 8.3 seconds, seems close to 50k

[pure stag]

Depends on the number of units but its like 60k+ even with just farms, max passives ang good birb

[pure stag]

Attacks twice lol

[static sky]

ah I didn't use birb on him

[ocean lichen]

godly stats 9 units debuffed yuha is like 60k dps

and thats wihtout familair

[static sky]

even in full aoe?

[weary yarrow]

Yes lol

[pure stag]

Yes

[ocean lichen]

yes thats why hes so insane

[hybrid moat]

Point is that 250k is a stretch considering she only hits for 250k on like every other attack of shotgun loop since okizeme doesn’t get the 30% P1 buff

[static sky]

so isnt that double 60k

[ocean lichen]

60k was including double attacks

[dawn lion]

it was dps, you average 250k then a followup without the buff at around 190k every 2 seconds

[pure stag]

Its 60k with just farms and like croc

[ocean lichen]

no familiar godly stats mon yhwach 13 units debuffed its about 70k dps
and goes up to about 80k if he was stunned 6 times

[static sky]

doesn't monarch yhwach do 400k with auschwalen on a team of rare units, and the ui doesnt show double attacks right

[ocean lichen]

uh idk what his dmg is but prob something like that

i just look at dps

cuz thats what matters

[static sky]

mkay...

[weary yarrow]

But elphelt even doing 100k dps average is insane

[pure stag]

Its way more than 100k

[weary yarrow]

Because she doesnt even require setup like vergil

[pure stag]

100k would be fine

[ocean lichen]

she requires micromanagment and shes kinda shit on early upgrades

[pure stag]

Anything over 150k would be somewhat stupid

Over 200k is just als level bullshit

[dawn lion]

a 2 second autoclicker isn't exactly micromanagement when you have her with monarch

[pure stag]

All of her micromanagement goes down the drain when you remember autoclickers exist

[ocean lichen]

als has 20B placement units and you saying 200k is crazy💔

[weary yarrow]

Micromanagement doesnt matter if she ends up doing ~ 3 monarchs worth of dps

[sinful quail]

When av having valorant update

[weary yarrow]

I am the hunter!

[ocean lichen]

after fate part 13

[sinful quail]

Nah

[pure stag]

Powercreep is relative. When was the last time als powercliffed the top 1 dps by like more than 100% in the span of 1 update

[hybrid moat]

She also requires a black spirit as well

[weary yarrow]

Because its relative to the current meta relatively speaking she is more game breaking than any previous units if the ~200k dps speculation is correct

[ocean lichen]

when gilgamesh dropped

and yuta's fusion bs if you count that

[pure stag]

Gilgamesh was NOT twice asta's dps

[hybrid moat]

Wait until they find out Okizeme was supposed to have a 5 second cooldown

[ocean lichen]

do you know
do they know

[weary yarrow]

So she was originally designed to be weaker or?

[hybrid moat]

And her damage calculations before were done with that in mind so it’s no wonder that she overperforms when she was never meant to

[dawn lion]

that should've been applied

[ocean lichen]

yea her follow up passive was supposed to be 5 sec cd

[hybrid moat]

Yes, oki has like no cooldown rn

[dawn lion]

now it makes a lot more sense how that got past

[pure stag]

And yuta's fusion is obtainable in 1 gamemode and requires 4 units that cost millions to max ts isnt the same dawg

[pure stag]

Yeah that alongside the testing being done with blitz explains it

[hybrid moat]

Should’ve. Was supposed to. Never was

[ocean lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[hybrid moat]

Welcome to the story of balancing units

[dawn lion]

can we just say it was a bug and fix it 🥺

[hybrid moat]

They’re not going to be tested with monarch

That’s just a stupid practice

[dawn lion]

why not?

[hybrid moat]

I mean, it technically is a bug yeah

Because the game isn’t meant to be balanced around monarch

[ocean lichen]

i think lfelt was
cuz you can only play her properly with 1 placement

[hybrid moat]

It’s already a horribly designed trait

[pure stag]

I dont think they should be, but it should probably he considered on units that require monarch and/or basically dont rely on their display spa stat AT ALL

[dawn lion]

right, but if a unit is significantly better with monarch than without, prime example yhwach being able to be used with Sokora, then it feels like an extreme oversight

[ocean lichen]

well yuha was kinda oversight
his passive wasnt meant to work like that😭

[pure stag]

At the very least yhwach requires a certain team to run him optimally. Elphelt is an insanely strong unit that also buffs

[dawn lion]

simply taking this is already giving Yhwach 180k dps

[ocean lichen]

its not like shes a general buffer
she only buffs the guilty gear units

[hybrid moat]

So we test the balance of every unit with a 0.1% trait and adjust around that, definitely

[pure stag]

Its not about testing only with monarch, but if you think monarch shouldnt be thought off when balancing units that are monarch reliant

Then idk what to tell you

[dawn lion]

thats not what I mean, but just make it so that the unit doesnt scale that much with monarch, for example global abilities vs local abilities being way better with monarch

[hybrid moat]

I think monarch shouldn’t be a special benchmark exception to test specific units around because that’s a terrible idea and things should be kept on an even playing field

[dawn lion]

If a unit is monarch or nothing then its becomes a lot fun to use if you dont have the 0.1% trait on it

[pure stag]

Things havent been on an even playing field since the day units have had shadow spa caps dawg

What does testing dante with blitz achieve

What does testing sol with blitz achieve

[hybrid moat]

The argument of yhwach with sokora is pointless because the point of damage tests is not about pairing them with other units, save for specific cases like Vergil’s dps requiring a hard CC unit

[pure stag]

What does testing the unit fully dependent on animation cancelling with blitz achieve

[fair quartz]

The av workplace is amazing the way they test stuff is justified stop putting shit on them when they are doing their best. Thank you.

[hybrid moat]

Surely it doesn’t achieve him building meter faster or anything, no not at all

[pure stag]

Literally useless in form 💀

Also dont his follow ups have a 4 second local cd

Blitz spa is like 3.6 spa

[hybrid moat]

And how do you get said form, o omnipotent one

[weary yarrow]

You apply a rule to everyone or no one. Cherrypicking arbitrarily who is “supposed” to be paired with other units is not symmetrical testing

[dawn lion]

yea, but if there were more units that were better without monarch or at least don't rely on it as a crutch like dante or 4 placements then that would be better for the game no?

[pure stag]

Probably by ensuring you dont attack faster than the local cd for your follow up attacks lowkey

[weary yarrow]

Not really because the rr rates make monarch the “goal”

[hybrid moat]

Yes, exactly. That’s why everyone is tested on the same playing field and there are only very special exceptions made for pairing in the case of a unit like vergil, where three quarters of his kit’s dps relies on having another unit there so if you have him alone, he performs horribly and is not a valid test and comparison of the unit

[fair quartz]

Make me and the enderian tester

[pure stag]

💀

[weary yarrow]

Then everyone should be paired with their best in slot sub dps? Vergil shouldnt be an exception

[silver pelican]

100 stars

add ts already

🥀

[crisp salmon]

Cmon av devs being handcuffed in solo sucks bruh

[hybrid moat]

Unfortunately “better without monarch” is incredibly difficult to achieve unless they’re some support/buff unit because of the way monarch is designed in being both a flat damage steroid and an insane shortcut in terms of cost efficiency

[crisp salmon]

U are litteraly making us players dislike the game TURN OFF SOLO HANDCUFF

[weary yarrow]

Monarch will never be fair

[hybrid moat]

It’s not getting removed lmao

[ocean lichen]

better without monarch cant really every exist because monarch is a flawed trait

[pure stag]

I dont think units should be balanced with monarch in mind, but when you make a unit that is orders of magnitudes better with monarch, then you probably should be considering whether or not thats fair.

[weary yarrow]

Regardless if they try and make other traits “viable” on other unuts

[hybrid moat]

It was a feature that was supposed to be there from the start and was for a day

[silver pelican]

excuses

[weary yarrow]

It makes the mode unplayable for solos?

[ocean lichen]

it was there day 1😭

[crisp salmon]

Dosent matter tho, they can still remove it it is just pointless and a bad mechanic

[silver pelican]

do you have a ss or a vid

[crisp salmon]

Not in solo bruh

[pure stag]

Blitz testing would be fine on a unit that doesnt have shadow spa caps/ animation cancels/ is fully monarch reliant

[silver pelican]

and nothing in patch notes?

[ocean lichen]

it just makes it midly annoying
ignore the cuffs making tower interaction impossible thats a bug that will be fixed soon

[fair quartz]

I love everyone man it’s all about positivity ❤️

[silver pelican]

lol

[pure stag]

It was there solo day 1 actually

[dawn lion]

Idk, but its not impossible since last season of infinite had no units that required monarch and it was a lot more fun than other seasons

[pure stag]

Thankfully it got removed

Im glad i never have to run act 2 ever again

[crisp salmon]

Midly? It makes it horrible i have to replace all my units since i cant place them

[crisp salmon]

Not everyone is as lucky as you

[silver pelican]

anyone whos saying its a small/mild change

[ocean lichen]

oh infinite🥀

[silver pelican]

clearly doesnt have to play the stage again

[weary yarrow]

How come? You have 6 birbs?

[pure stag]

Why even add an mechanic who's entire point is making the stage mildly inconvenient 💀

[crisp salmon]

Soo true

[ocean lichen]

what
you have to replace your units cuz you cant place them for 20 seconds?

[pure stag]

Way more

[weary yarrow]

Damn

[hybrid moat]

It’s not about having a sub dps option. It’s about vergil doing piss for damage because over half of his kit’s damage is locked behind having another unit. Not some yuha/sakura tech or anything, but because when a unit is balanced around having a passive available and then literally cannot use the passive that makes up over three quarters of their dps, it doesn’t provide an accurate comparison at all to leave they thing they absolutely require out of the picture

[crisp salmon]

Yes because they get past

[dawn lion]

yea cost efficiency of monarch can never be balanced in normal modes unless the unit is dirt cheap already

[pure stag]

I magno, sue me

[silver pelican]

crazy

[hybrid moat]

Nope

[pure stag]

I aint manually farming 3% drops

[pure stag]

Thats true and will always be an issue

[dawn lion]

I farmed 30 hours manual for my 10 birbs

[hybrid moat]

Only because the uncuff prompt shows up and fucks with interacting with cid towers, but that’s getting fixed and idk why it hasn’t been pushed yet

[silver pelican]

and why? lol

[weary yarrow]

But you do realize if you do give vergil a sub dps option and others no option it makes them incomparable? Because its two slots worth of dps vs one? Placements matter

[crisp salmon]

Is there handcuffes on act 1? Solo

[ocean lichen]

no

[hybrid moat]

They aren’t a sub dps option

[pure stag]

However units like john smith are fine to be tested with blitz because they actually just attack on the display dps

[weary yarrow]

Ok as long as solos arent hard locked behind cuffs

[pure stag]

Unlike dante

[fair quartz]

I love g money and gurty on

[hybrid moat]

They are a “I literally do not function and may as well be an update 0 unit without having you there just to apply a debuff tag because you’re level 1” unit

[pure stag]

Or unlike lfelt who basically transcends the spa stat itself

[ocean lichen]

glazing and for what

[pure stag]

What does testing a unit whos fully based on animation cancelling with blitz even do

[silver pelican]

and why is this??

[pure stag]

Im genuinely curious

[fair quartz]

Just spreading positivity man ❤️✌️🕊️

[weary yarrow]

It is not analytically rigorous to make a human decision to exclude units from rules. It doesnt matter if the unit “was designed to be used with a subdps” in an analytical setting you apply the same rules to all testing groups

[hybrid moat]

Because they’re finally fixing the feature and putting it back

[pure stag]

"We spent 2 hours coding the feature, deal with it"

[crisp salmon]

Just wondering, whats the poing having a suggestion channel full of so many good ideas and how to make the game better but they never get usedv

[pure stag]

Theres no rational reason as to why the cuffing mechanic should exist, its just a nuisance that doesnt help manual play at all

[hybrid moat]

How are you going to get an accurate representation of vergils dps if you do not give him the tools to utilize his passive like most every other unit can just do on their own?

[pure stag]

The only reasoning is "it was intended"

[ocean lichen]

so devs can look through ideas and decide if they want to add them

[crisp salmon]

In multiplayer i get it, but in solo heck no

[ocean lichen]

the point of it is to be a nuisance

[pure stag]

Yeah thought that was what was intended

[hybrid moat]

The reason is “they wanted act 2 to not give the player mercy on the cuffs and be annoying about it.” Go queue into co-op

[crisp salmon]

In my life they have never used a single on except that auto challenge rerrol nerf

[weary yarrow]

You dont, which is why you give ALL tested units a sub dps option

[dawn lion]

These are only in place to enable a unit, it would be like testing Yhwach without sacrafises, you do no extra dps with the rares you place down

[hybrid moat]

That’s literally not how that works

It’s not a matter of being sub dps

[ocean lichen]

there was something that was added like last update that i cant remember rn
but stuff has def been added

[fair quartz]

No cuffing = 🥭🥭🥭🥭 add it so you can have players on for multiple hours at a time = you guys get paid

[pure stag]

No actually im thankfully not gonna need to play act 2 at all, and most afkers could just overnight afk act 1. Its way more annoying for manual play lol

[silk spear]

Doing the MOST to stop 🥭 and force multiplayer

[sinful quail]

So act 2 will still have handcuffs?

[crisp salmon]

Bro, the people kn multi queue have zero brain cells they dont understand how the gamemode works man

[hybrid moat]

Good for you buddy

[pure stag]

Thing is magnoing for a 1% drop is way more sensible than manually doing act 1 lmao

[hybrid moat]

Correct

[fair quartz]

Do I have a say in this

[hybrid moat]

No

[pure stag]

They make mechanics which only serve as a nuisance and then question why people automate the game further whenever possible

[crisp salmon]

Dude we never have

[fair quartz]

Aw shucksroonies

[sinful quail]

Looks like they tryna avoid marco but what abt the people who don't touch grass and don't got any friends

[crisp salmon]

Does the av devs know that their game is declining rn?

[ocean lichen]

i believe this has been added
unless im completely misremembering

[fair quartz]

I will save the av society when I become a developer

[hybrid moat]

It has nothing to do with afk farming lmao

[pure stag]

Wasnt the last stage mechanic that benefitted the player for using it servants in fate boss rush 💀

[ocean lichen]

they addressed it on the stage lol

[hybrid moat]

The raid is still perfectly soloable

[silver pelican]

esdeath is bugged rn

it doesnt even work

[ocean lichen]

what

[sinful quail]

It has everythin to do with it tho

[ocean lichen]

esdeath is bugged rn?

[fair quartz]

How do o become a balancer av needs me

[silver pelican]

ye then why add a random mechanic

what was the thought process

[crisp salmon]

Then my bad, still its not alot once or twice using suggestiond

[pure stag]

🔥

[ocean lichen]

i mean tbf most of the suggestions are kinda bad or stuff that cant be implimented anytime soon

[crisp salmon]

My bad, but do they know why? Its because of small thins like this mostly

[ocean lichen]

its cuz the game was a buggy mess on release

thats the main reason lol

[fair quartz]

Ima become the balancer of this game and save you guys soon

[silver pelican]

🔥

[crisp salmon]

I could scroll around suggestions and find 10 super good ones in under 5 min

[hybrid moat]

Because they wanted act 2 to be annoying with the cuffing regardless of solo or co-op. It broke after the first day of the update and they finally fixed it

[pure stag]

Ong bro

[fair quartz]

I’d be a good balancer

You agree

[silver pelican]

why will a bunch of devs want their game to be purposefully annoying to play

[pure stag]

Promise you wont make a unit that outdpses the units which "the game balance is gonna revolve around" by 2 times over and costs half as much?

[ocean lichen]

cuz thats the tradeoff for better rewards

[fair quartz]

Yes

[hybrid moat]

ask them, not me. Just be glad act 1 doesn’t cuff you either like it was originally supposed to

[sinful quail]

Oh ye do u know if kaguya gon be mvp stealer or nah

[crisp salmon]

No not really cause the game was declining before the update to and it was not only due to lack of content, its because of small wierd things that make the 100% harder for no reason, like the EX stage that is a good gamemode, because its hard but for a reason

[hybrid moat]

Why would I tell you lol

[pure stag]

Shes gonna have a fruit cutter minigame you have to play to do 400k dps

[silver pelican]

its already a way harder mode than act 1 lol

thats enough of a "tradeoff"

act 2 takes longer, its harder, cage spawns faster

[ocean lichen]

also that person who was saying esdeath is bugged, how?

[pure stag]

Yeah the stage already takes long to do and already has an insta lose mechanic lol

[fair quartz]

Can I become tester/dev I’m top 1 on sand and namek season 5 inf

[silver pelican]

my goat

[pure stag]

🔥 🔥

[crisp salmon]

Soo cool

[fair quartz]

Make me tester

[silver pelican]

fr

[pure stag]

Maybe we should ask the lb runners or people who primarily make tourney strats what a 250k dps bring added would do to the game lowkey

Seems like a rational thing to do

[silver pelican]

av should hold a referendum with the general public

[crisp salmon]

I am a no good master role i cant even say anything without gettibg muted bro

[rigid kiln]

Yes but she will be more of a support like diavolo

[silver pelican]

kaguya 🤩

first vanguard i'll try to grind

btw is gogeta still relevant rn

[pure stag]

Well he is top 3 dps overall still i believe

Too bad the number 1 outdpses number 2 and number 3 combined

[ocean lichen]

eh
still good, but in alot of situations hes outperformed

[pure stag]

Id focus my rrs on vsjw and yhwach tho

[rigid kiln]

Yh he's still great but I would say there are units that overshadow him

[silver pelican]

rip I really that unit even tho i dont have him

hopefully his trade value will be in negative

[rigid kiln]

What's the highest dps units in the game rn?

[ocean lichen]

worldlines is prob where gogeta shines the most

[pure stag]

I didnt get the answer we got last stage when asked about vanguards. Did it mean that vanguards can get buffs in raw stats but not passives if push comes to shove, or will they not get buffed at all

[crisp salmon]

10 rerrols maybe lol

[weary yarrow]

Elphelt apparently by over 100k dps

[silver pelican]

lfelt vergil yhwach gogeta? ig?

[ocean lichen]

allegedly lfelt at 240k dps
i dont know how tf that number was obtained tho

[pure stag]

Autoclicker and 120+ dark spirit

[ocean lichen]

i think it was they will recieve buffs, but full reworks would be a oddity not the standard

[rigid kiln]

Ooh is that with the 'anim cancelling tech' or whatnot

[silver pelican]

lmao yeah hes been on the banner for 5+ months now

[crisp salmon]

They said her ability was getting nerfed/reworked

[ocean lichen]

cuz divalo is fine in dmg rn, just everything else about him sucks ass

[crisp salmon]

True

[weary yarrow]

Still going to be top 5 lol

[silver pelican]

last aoe

🥀

[silk spear]

• diavlo with walkback

[weary yarrow]

Right now shes apparently top 0

Allegedly

[pure stag]

Thatd be good enough for every vanguard besides diavolo tbh, if gogeta got a 20k dps buff 2 months from now hed be okay since thats his entire point

[crisp salmon]

I wouldnt not suprise me if they make her useless

[pure stag]

Diavolo is just damned for eternity ig lol

[ocean lichen]

i think they said something about a slight rework to gogeta, no idea what thats about tho

[ocean lichen]

yea
if all the other DDD units get to be the worst in the game he can suffer too

[pure stag]

Isnt it just the clone getting overhead buffs

[rigid kiln]

I was like level 48 on BP before they randomly dropped upd while I was in school being back Vergil my beloved 😞 ✋

[ocean lichen]

his clone already works like that for dmg

so i assume its something else

but idk

could be

[crisp salmon]

Meany

[ocean lichen]

not like gogeta needs a buff

[pure stag]

Yeah thats whay i thought too

[silver pelican]

Damn.

that sucks

[crisp salmon]

Diavolo tho

[pure stag]

I dont think he does either

[rigid kiln]

Nah bro 1000% buff when DDD s2 drops for reals

[pure stag]

I think lfelt just needs to be tweaked

[ocean lichen]

buff wont save him
he needs a entire rework

[ocean lichen]

and she will be

[pure stag]

You could give diavolo 150k dps and his ass would still be mediocre because of the 42 range

[crisp salmon]

Just change her into a full aoe and buff his range

[weary yarrow]

Right now diavolo is just temu dps

With no kit

[pure stag]

Hope thats true

[rigid kiln]

Fr they're dropping clearly unfinished updates in the middle of the week - why? 😭

[ocean lichen]

thats a rework

[rigid kiln]

The peer pressure from 12 year old gamblers must've gotten to their heads

[pure stag]

Changing range or aoes would be a rework

[crisp salmon]

That dosent take that long does it?

[pure stag]

Would need to change animations to make that fit

[rigid kiln]

Speaking of reworks...

[ocean lichen]

shouldnt happen anymore at least
they said they dialing back the big new gamemodes that are alot of work to add

[silver pelican]

they said they wont touch old units

[weary yarrow]

Make diavolo half aoe 🗣️

[ocean lichen]

still a rework
and they said no divalo rework

[crisp salmon]

Hes a vanguard

[silver pelican]

old balancers

[crisp salmon]

Dang

[pure stag]

Maybe sukuna will get a rework when jjk s3 drops tho they did talk about that

[crisp salmon]

Not in the near future they said

[ocean lichen]

i doubt sukuna rework will be anything crazy
especially when a second evo was confirmed to not happen anymore

[pure stag]

Would be a missed opportunity if they dont do smth like sukuna rework atleast with jjk new seas9n

[rigid kiln]

How much can we expect from a sukuna rework - we know we can't expect double evolutions but how much can we anticipate from a rework?

As in

[crisp salmon]

10 more dmg

[pure stag]

Ima be real all it needs to be is buffed raw stats and better nuke

[weary yarrow]

Im going to hold your hand when i say this…

[rigid kiln]

Are model+vfx changes in the table

[silver pelican]

fair

[rigid kiln]

Or only stat changes

[ocean lichen]

Well yea
And maybe make dismantle not suck

[silver pelican]

sukuna is just getting out dpsed by every unit atm

[pure stag]

Probably not

[silver pelican]

every secret nearly

[pure stag]

Mhm

[rigid kiln]

We gonna hold hands and pray for vanguard double evolution sukuna with extra glaze and a cherry on top

[pure stag]

Sukuna has been mid since the day he came out tbh the best use i saw for him was be a choso buffer 😭

[ocean lichen]

Dismantle and purgatory burn are the biggest nothing burger passives this game has ever had

[rigid kiln]

Bro the thing is that he was just incredibly underwhelming on release

Gojo was BY far better

[pure stag]

I think purgatory burn wouldve been semi relevant if a unit like yama existed in upd 1

[rigid kiln]

Not even a debate

[pure stag]

Yeah gojo was a tier above sukuna atleast

Id say 2

[ocean lichen]

Gojo was just insane
Balancers def had a favorite

[pure stag]

Sukuna was hella expensive, took forever to max dps and his nuke wasnt good

[silver pelican]

whats purgatory burn 😭

is it sm to do with sol

[pure stag]

Rengoku effect

[silver pelican]

oh

mb

[ocean lichen]

Rengoku debuff
Makes enemies take 1.25x burn dmg

Or was it just 20%

[silver pelican]

i never got rengoku in 100 manual runs i wouldnt know

[ocean lichen]

Either way extremely underhwelming

[silver pelican]

🥀

[silver pelican]

also sukuna was delayed

[pure stag]

Ive not even talked about sol too much but i think hes imbalanced too ima be real why is banner unit doing like 110k dps with immunity to like everything in form which is up most of the time.

[silver pelican]

like he was dropped a good one week after the jjk update

with the boss rush

[weary yarrow]

Only on upg 10 too right

[silver pelican]

it build hype but meh

[pure stag]

Sol is basically an unknown element in his form

[ocean lichen]

Yea

[weary yarrow]

Rlly?

How so

[ocean lichen]

Debuff and status immune

[pure stag]

Immune to status ailments and debuffs

Element reactions are just irrelevant atm so

[weary yarrow]

Ofc 🤦‍♂️

[pure stag]

Who cares about those

[weary yarrow]

Except holy

[pure stag]

Fire doesnt heal holy does it

[ocean lichen]

It does

[pure stag]

Also these days monarchs just overpower holy

[ocean lichen]

Everything besides holy heals holy

[pure stag]

Ah okay

Havent run wintwr portals in 3 months

[weary yarrow]

Pov Holy boss

[pure stag]

Doesnt really matter when he does like 800k damage a hit if not more but yeah

[silver pelican]

Bump

[pure stag]

Just do it bro nobody likes manually grinding if the stage mechanics actively make it more annoying

Magnoers can just afk act 1 at slightly worse rates but manual play became hella worse

[silver pelican]

yeah I dont think that this will be an issue for people who dont play manually

they can js overnight and hope for a cid or a birb in act 1

playing act 2 rn is

in the end unless they make some real unique mechanic or smthing, people will find ways to mangcro...

at the expense of manual players

[crisp salmon]

Bump

We need this

[silver pelican]

fr

[silver pelican]

Bump

[lavish dock]

what the fuck

why is this even a thing

what are they thinking

this is a bug for sure

[pure stag]

Scroll up

Its intended

[placid kestrel]

Suggestions are back

Less gooo

[south haven]

Intended bruh

If this is not a bug I will sell my shiny cid

[pure stag]

Its not lol

You can literally scroll up and see testers saying its intended

[south haven]

Why is it a thing in solo when you can’t counter it

Like my units can’t cleanse me..

[lavish dock]

this is literally stupid

ehat the fuck

in what way is it a cool gimmick

wait wait wait

you can just press e right

is it easy to counter?

[pure stag]

No

You cant uncuff yourself

[molten mesa]

classic devs

everything was planned from beginning but just fixed recently

[lavish spear]

Yeah these are some amazing lies

[frozen bone]

I lost 2 portals cuz of holy

[static sky]

devs didnt like players farming in peace = new very annoying change introduced that was planned from the very beginning

[frozen bone]

"You must give us 100% of your attention!!"

[molten mesa]

people werent even farming in peace u still had to disable those towers

[unreal cloak]

mine does 540k and if we count his 2nd passive it doubles his dmg

[unreal cloak]

aizen ahh devs

[unreal cloak]

no bro

you get 40 seconds to upgrade ur units

20 seconds of being cuffed

[solo]

[frozen bone]

;-;

[lavish dock]

alright devs are fucking stupid

[unreal cloak]

i know

maybe like

[lavish dock]

theres no way it was intended

[unreal cloak]

remove the cuffs in his 2nd phase

[pure stag]

Careful now you might get banned

[unreal cloak]

cuz

[lavish dock]

in what way is it a great mechanic

[pure stag]

It was intended lol

[unreal cloak]

only john smith uses cuffs

[pure stag]

Its not

[unreal cloak]

remove cuffs from lord of shadows

only john smith uses them

pls

[pure stag]

They know it does nothing but make the experience worse

[unreal cloak]

suggest this

someone

[lavish dock]

probably muted but yeah

[pure stag]

The only justification they have is "it was intended"

Ask them why they wanna make the game worse to play and they wont be able to reply

[lavish dock]

there's no reason to keep this in while you're playing solo, that doesnt make any sense

[frozen bone]

-# first "Soon" now "It was intended" this pmo

[unreal cloak]

bro

just remove it from his 2nd phase

so we can do the towers

it's that easy

lord of shadows doesn't use strings and no strings = no cuffs

[pure stag]

What a terrible update through and through

[lavish dock]

in lost ark for example, raids require 8 people to play, but you also have an option to play solo, which gives you mostly similar expirience but of course, some mechanics do not work well with 1 player so they make them either easier or replace with something else

[pure stag]

Powercreep worse than als, new gamemode is smth most people will never play, no hype about the units, changes that actively made the game worse.

Not to mention the 400 bugs

[unreal cloak]

they haven't fixed cid raid bug yet

it's been here since ages

[pure stag]

Bug fix updates longer than the update log

[lavish dock]

if they balanced it around how Destiny 2 is, which might be true because valk is the one who works on raids

[pure stag]

Allow it

[lavish dock]

if you solo a raid in destiny thats a whole ass achievement, you gotta be VERY good at the game and you do not need to grind this shit 100 times to get the reward you need

[frozen bone]

I’m still doing that stupid byken quest vro….

[pure stag]

Also the playerbase of destiny 2 isnt a bunch of 11 year olds who are unable to help you beat the stage

Yeah he blatantly said that gg was his idea, he does the balancing, he comes up with the stages

[lavish dock]

im pretty sure you get more rewards for playing solo dungeons, which is not true in av's case

even if i try to think about to reason to keep ts in

[pure stag]

And hes been making questionable choices since 5.0

[lavish dock]

i just fail miserably

[pure stag]

Its fairly simple

[unreal cloak]

pyseph said they are gonna follow what's famous

[pure stag]

Sqeeze out more playertime

[unreal cloak]

like bro just add heian sukuna

season 3 jjk was announced alr

[pure stag]

Dont get your hopes up

[pure stag]

Wait when is it

[unreal cloak]

dw bro they already said sukuna won't get anything

[frozen bone]

Meh Meguna sounds more interesting

[unreal cloak]

not even a 2nd evo

no rework

nothing

[frozen bone]

What

[unreal cloak]

maybe cuz of dmca

[unreal cloak]

idk july 3

[frozen bone]

damn

[unreal cloak]

idk if it's this year or next

[frozen bone]

pwobabky next vro

[unreal cloak]

yeah

wait

release megumi with like

a panel that vsjw has

where he gets his shadows

[pure stag]

They said a rework is possible tbf

[unreal cloak]

then at the end when he summons mahoraga he gets deleted

im cookin

[pure stag]

Also heian sukuna is probably not happening this season but theyve already done manga updates

[unreal cloak]

sukuna vs gojo is already very far

like 130 chapters or sm

[pure stag]

Yeah

224 to 236 iirc

Smth like that

[unreal cloak]

but heian sukuna hype is really good

[pure stag]

Or is it 221

[frozen bone]

Wouldn’t that fight be in S4?
-# if they do a S4

[unreal cloak]

probably

they might make all episodes into s3

[frozen bone]

223-236

[pure stag]

Yeah theyre gonna fight in s4

S3 is probably gonna end with uh

[unreal cloak]

would be fire

[frozen bone]

Meguna

Most likely

[pure stag]

Him taking over megumi

Yea

[unreal cloak]

yea

[pure stag]

Would say spoiler but its jjk

LOL

Who doesnt know ts

[unreal cloak]

jjk = 0% filler

every episode a character dies

[frozen bone]

Sorry…

[unreal cloak]

gege ain't sugarcoating it

[split grove]

K-kashimo???😨

[pure stag]

Jjk lowkey falls the fuck off after shibuya, besides the gojo vs sukuna fight

[frozen bone]

Vro is back for round two

[split grove]

He kept offscreening everyone 💔

[unreal cloak]

sukuna vs mahoraga was fire

even the blu-ray

mahoraga just upscaling himself into godzilla crazy

[frozen bone]

;-; was mahoraga getting bigger the longer the fight was?

[pure stag]

That was in shibuya tho

[unreal cloak]

no

hewas making himself bigger

[pure stag]

Its animation choices

[frozen bone]

Big ahh fweaking hands

[frozen bone]

-# Soo uh what da fack is the point of Stage-Suggestions

[pure stag]

Units and update themes

They just dont listen to em tbh

I think everyone would have liked ror update more than gg

[frozen bone]

Just remove the channel den

[unreal cloak]

what is ror

[frozen bone]

Records of Ragnarok

[pure stag]

Record of ragnarok

[unreal cloak]

just add my cosmic garou suggestion atp

[frozen bone]

I think

[unreal cloak]

what is a record of ragnarok

[pure stag]

Cosmic garou should be a vanguard

At some point

[frozen bone]

I thought it was Records vro

[unreal cloak]

i made a suggestion for him

[pure stag]

Hes vanguard material

[unreal cloak]

got 170~ stars ish

[frozen bone]

I NEEED IT

-# oh nice ALs is adding SSB Gogeta

[unreal cloak]

fr

hot take he would've been better than astolfo as a rift unit

[unreal cloak]

alright

but i have a point

he is the symbol of fear

after he got his cosmic powers

[frozen bone]

"Nah that title belongs to Shigaraki"

[unreal cloak]

ion know who that is

probably a mha character

sounds like one

[unreal cloak]

1764th comment

[silver pelican]

never have i seen a suggestion get this much traction

and every tester and dev actively is against it

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[static sky]

no idea why

like how do u go

oh theyre getting used to turning on the towers already? add another dumb mechanic, dont let them do anything for 33% of the match

[hybrid moat]

It was supposed to be there from the beginning and ultimately doesn’t change the raid that much, it’s not that big a deal

[silver pelican]

why do you think so many people are complaining if it "doesn’t change the raid that much" and isnt a big deal

[frozen bone]

-# me when Im reading a suggestion with my eyes closed

[covert latch]

There’s a bug that doesn’t allow you to touch towers with it

[silver pelican]

they've addressed that bug atleast

[covert latch]

Is it fixed?

[silver pelican]

saying it'll be fixed

[silver pelican]

not yet

😭

[covert latch]

Yea ggs

[frozen bone]

Give it a few decades

[covert latch]

They said the same for challenge cap

And global challenges

So

[silver pelican]

i still dont know

why challs are not global

anymore

[covert latch]

Devs love making dumbass decisions

They somehow always pick the wrong path

When there’s a big sign saying take the other

[static sky]

no way bro said getting locked for 33% of the match isnt a big deal 😭

[hybrid moat]

I want you to repeat yourself for me on that

[covert latch]

They could’ve atleast changed it so it locks units from attacking for a few second

[covert latch]

There’s a bug that doesn’t allow you to touch towers with it

What?

[hybrid moat]

Yeah

What does that first part say

[covert latch]

Are you a dumbass or just special?

If there’s a bug

[hybrid moat]

It’s a, and say it with me now, a “bug”

[covert latch]

That conflicts with a feature that just got added

[hybrid moat]

That’s going to be fixed

[covert latch]

Why was the feature added in the first place

It makes zero sense

[static sky]

they felt us having fun

[hybrid moat]

And shouldn’t be taken into consideration of the mechanic’s purpose

[covert latch]

You can’t add a new feature that basically breaks the game mode

Like

Are you this dumb

[static sky]

i mean tbf hes tester

wasnt his decision

[covert latch]

He’s still defending the decision

[hybrid moat]

Because act 2 was meant to be the annoying one, simple as that. It doesn’t break the mode, save for the bug with it

[covert latch]

There shouldn’t have been a bug in the first place

[static sky]

but why does it HAVE to be annoying? especially after so long since the update

[covert latch]

They should’ve made sure it was working before adding it

It’s like

[hybrid moat]

Yeah, because I complained about it because it was funny in testing, but I didn’t mind the feature at the end of the day

[covert latch]

The devs can’t develop

[static sky]

i feel like this is just like the stuns being different from debuffs thing

[hybrid moat]

You know it was working at first, right?

[covert latch]

It’s not working now?

So just remove it till the bug is fixed

It’s not hard

[static sky]

wdym by "I didn't mind the feature" is it cause u dont farm cid raid anymore?

[hybrid moat]

No I meant in testing the raid. I complained because it was funny but I legitimately didn’t find the mechanic that bad

I just liked to put up a fuss because I missed a farm upgrade

[covert latch]

Yea this game is ggs

[static sky]

no but seriously, think about it, if you're locked up for a third of the match's duration, it's not even a question of it being bad, it IS bad (if im correct about it being 20 seconds cuffed and 40 seconds free)

[covert latch]

I’m going to call it the next update is going to add another useless feature with a game breaking bug

The devs love making the wrong decisions each time

[static sky]

bugs are inevitable i just feel the choice of suddenly adding this mechanic was pretty lame

[hybrid moat]

And you know something? I called it terrible too. And that was when the raid was only going to be one act

[covert latch]

I wouldn’t mind the mechanic if it didn’t break the game mode

[static sky]

twice the chances for twice the hp, i dont see how thats not hard enough with equal rewarding already

[hybrid moat]

Then the second one was added and they said “okay the solo cuffing is going there because it’s the hard mode” and I felt that was fine

[static sky]

cage closes with the same timing, the towers have the same window of deactivation as well

like the difficulty level was apt i feel

solo cuffing is just crazy

well not like me ranting about it will change anything

[hybrid moat]

Cage closes much faster on act 2

And can’t be perma stalled with repulse

[static sky]

even more reason for solo cuffs to be completely unnecessary

[hybrid moat]

I thought solo cuffs were fine. A bit annoying, but fine.

[static sky]

emphasis on annoying

question is just why

[hybrid moat]

[static sky]

sigh

[hybrid moat]

Because that was the point of act 2

[static sky]

yeah the same act 2 which was already hard enough
twice the hp, lower time frame to kill john smith after damaging him, and deactivating the towers, am i missing something

[hybrid moat]

To be annoying to solo

[covert latch]

[unreal cloak]

ngl bro just remove the cuffs from 2nd phase

if nobody is gonna make the suggestion ill make it when i have the time

[covert latch]

Yea

It makes no sense lore wise

[junior bramble]

UM

[junior bramble]

remove it on 2nd phase

[silver pelican]

123 stars

🤩

lucky number
We getting ts next update chat (🥀)

[silver pelican]

did they fix it

so u can activate towers now

when cuffed

[hybrid moat]

yes

[silver pelican]

good

[silver pelican]

Bump

[silver pelican]

Bump

[silver pelican]

Bump

[wise ore]

how does an autoclicker help elphelt?

doesnt she have auto ability

[pure stag]

auto ability doesnt click once every 2 seconds perfectly

to draw max dps

well this is outdated now

she got nerfed

[wise ore]

well they didnt nerf shotgun loop

[pure stag]

they nerfed her follow up passive

which is very huge

doesnt build up meter as fast

doesnt get another extra hit every 2 seconds

average dps is actually within the realm of sensibility now

[wise ore]

where

[hybrid moat]

Okizeme now properly has a 5 second cooldown on the pistol shot part

So you can't just alternate between shotgun loop and oki over and over again

[silver pelican]

Bump

[silver pelican]

Bump

[south haven]

Bump

[silver pelican]

Bump

[opal jewel]

BUMP

Whoever made that shit just made the grind harder

[pure stag]

Yeah all this did was make manually grinding worse

magnoers just moved over to act 1, they have all the time in world lol

[silver pelican]

worst stage in av oat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1206259946753232987.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=Die

[pure stag]

Nah better than last time

Last time was worse

[rocky reef]

hey...

this is pretty fucking urgent is it not

[silver pelican]

they dont think so 😭💔

js to make it more annoying to play

pmo

[hybrid moat]

No, because it's intentional lmao

[silver pelican]

Bump

[unreal cloak]

just remove the cuffs from the 2nd phase

1st phase ends almost instantly anyways

[opal jewel]

Intentional change to make players play PvP and new maps💔

[raven grove]

“bug”

1 month later

awesome

[hybrid moat]

[raven grove]

literally the main upd

and couldnt fix the said bug

so peak

[hybrid moat]

Not up to us when they fix it

It worked day 1 and then broke

[stone ether]

Its prob to reduce afk

If u can only afk the first stage effectively then it takes 3x longer to get birb and cid

[raven grove]

thats the point

[drowsy burrow]

that change only promotes macr*s

[raven grove]

but it took them an entire month

[drowsy burrow]

nobody want to manually farm a annoying as hell stage

[raven grove]

when people were used to it

[stone ether]

I still afk 1 st stage🙏

Jk

[lavish dock]

still stupid

[silver pelican]

Typical av fr

Bump

[restive juniper]

yeah nah this was the dumbest shit ever, i literally cant solo it because i cant upg my units

[hybrid moat]

That's overexaggerating it a bit.

[rocky reef]

Wait what I thought you guys say it was a bug

Such a stupid feature I also assumed it a bug 😭😭

[restive juniper]

they can at least make the time tied up for a shorter length

[unreal cloak]

it is still annoying

i mean ofc you'd be on the devs side cuz ur a tester

but still

20 seconds of cuff

and it's random

[hybrid moat]

It's every 40 seconds

It has nothing to do with me being a tester, I genuinely don't think it's that bad

It was annoying as hell in testing too

[rocky reef]

AV devs never fail to disappoint us with the most obnoxious features
🔥🔥🔥🔥

[unreal cloak]

yeah but

no way ur gonna be sitting in the raid counting every 40 seconds

im still sure my suggestion of just removing cuffs from 2nd phase is great

[hybrid moat]

So you don't count

and just wait anyways

[rocky reef]

Please don’t try to defend this feature

[ocean lichen]

This feels so pointless
The cuffs are only really annoying at the beginning when you are upgrading farms

[rancid imp]

so why even keep them for phase 2

[hybrid moat]

why not

[unreal cloak]

ur not getting what i mean

at the beginning when ur upgrading farms cuffs aren't gonna be annoying nearly as the 2nd phase

at the 2nd phase you just wanna get it over with

but it's not "pointless" since Cid doesn't use cuffs John Smith does

just agree with me so the raid can be easier 🥀 💔

[rocky reef]

less annoying*

hard content in av? impossible...

[unreal cloak]

everyone except the testers agrees man 🥀

[ocean lichen]

i dont see a problem with it, i just dont really see a point
for 2nd phase the cuffs already have near 0 impact on my runs

[unreal cloak]

if ur doing hard mode

2nd phase cid has 56 million hp

ur gonna constantly be upgrading units

a 20 second cuff time every 40 seconds i mean it's not severe but at the same time it's not lore accurate so it would be better if it's removed

im not saying remove cuffs from 2nd phase cuz it's hard im saying remove cuffs cuz Lord Of Shadows doesn't manipulate strings [John Smith even has a Cage made out of strings]

[tepid sparrow]

bump

[dusky pumice]

Pack it up yall since "G Money" doesnt see a problem in it all of your arguments are automatically invalid

[ocean lichen]

dawg what😭

[hybrid moat]

It's true

[silver pelican]

😼

[pure stag]

Why the hell add a feature that SOLELY serves as a nuisance

and nothing else

[ocean lichen]

cuz thats the sacrafice from playing act 2
its more annoying

[pure stag]

does it add to gameplay/enjoyment of the game/even active play in any way shape or form

[ocean lichen]

kinda the same thing as pressing the wrong tower resetting the towers

[pure stag]

so it legit does serve only one purpose which is being annoying

[ocean lichen]

yes

[pure stag]

that's a different thing, that's a manual error that can be avoided

any punishment for making a mistake you could not have made is somewhat justifiable to an extent

it's just weird man

like surely at one point the thought process should be "literally EVERYONE in the community doesn't like this change, ccs are making fun of it, hell it's so stupid that when people initially see or hear about it they assume it's a bug. Maybe this originally intended feature isn't all that great after all, and with so much pushback from the community we should just remove it"

[silver pelican]

act 2 is alr way too hard compared to act 1

thats enough of a "sacrafice"

isnt it weird how I've only seen like 3 ppl (all testers) support this cuffing thing and theres 160+ stars in this suggestion

[ocean lichen]

i mean i dont really like it but 🤷
i tested with it and accepted it back that

i just think its weird it took a month to fix it

[hybrid moat]

It's not really much "harder"

the mechanic makes it actually more difficult and annoying to warrant the increased drops

[silver pelican]

Bump

[restive juniper]

not over exaggerated in the least, for somebody with 0 monarchs it’s already difficult, heavily relying on lfelts passive it’s really difficult when im unable to upgrade her nor focus her dmg on boss/enemies