fair blaze
Energy drain should only be able to reduce a units damage by a certain percentage at max like -30% or something
One of the reasons for this being that cleanse has been garbage for the longest time and is practically useless against hordes of enemies that apply constant debuffs
Yes, you can use spark and unknown but completely rendering other units damaging capabilities obsolete is not the move
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bleak valley
Al exists now and hard counters energy drain
Not much of an issue anymore
digital shoal
Al exists now and hard counters energy drain
Not much of an issue anymore
I thought the devs didn’t wanna design a game where you’re required to bring a certain unit, that’s why they said they haven’t added flying units
bleak valley
The way enemy types work is forcing you to bring a specific unit or specific type of unit
Regen enemies force bleed, resilient enemies force luce or non full aoes, that's how gameplay is made different
Different stages will require different units
digital shoal
The way enemy types work is forcing you to bring a specific unit or specific typ...
“Different stage requires different units” VSJW: hold my beer
raw kiln
“Different stage requires different units” VSJW: hold my beer
Real he just solos everything
Immune to everything
With insane nuke and placement damage for his cost
digital shoal
Immune to everything
The only thing is mind control
marsh nimbus
Energy drain should only be able to reduce a units damage by a certain percentag...
ngl idk why we crying over energy drain
it was literally made to suck out ya dmg
in pvp its gonan be harder to rlly select your units cuz u have to think
what you think your opp is gonna do
i literally always bring a cleanse unit
kazzy is rlly good for that too
good dps and good support
fair blaze
ngl idk why we crying over energy drain
You can deadass type in energy drain and see how many people feel the same way abt it from the moment they were released
This wasnt a pvp complaint
Im mainly talking for the db maps and general usage that has an abundance of tanky energy drain units like I get having to use or bring certain units but outright turning majority of the units to 0 damage every time they attack just doesn't look right when your regular cleanse units are ass
And its obvious how energy drain wont be a problem in pvp if you have cleanse since realistically in each match your opponent would only invest in 1 tanky energy drain unit
Mfs think they einstein for figuring out that you can cleanse your unit every once and awhile
marsh nimbus
This wasnt a pvp complaint
Im mainly talking for the db maps and general usage t...
oh if its not a pvp complaint then nvm
marsh nimbus
This wasnt a pvp complaint
Im mainly talking for the db maps and general usage t...
ngl it promo u to get other units
no?
cuz if these elements are getting drain
u can get other units that dont get drain
winter salmon
I mean, energy drain was made and put into the game for pvp, and it was implemented before that so that people could actually get a feel for the mutator and how counters against it work 
fair blaze
I mean, energy drain was made and put into the game *for* pvp, and it was implem...
How energy drain works in regular game modes is completely different from how it functions in PvP.
It doesn’t make sense for units to be instantly reduced to 0 damage when attacking a group of energy drain units, especially when you cleanse them, only for the same pattern to repeat almost immediately.
The game is practically forcing everyone to use the same units every time.
And if we are going to be talking strictly pvp, the game is heavily unfair to other elements like water and nature, as unknown and spark just get a free pass to a mutator like energy drain, while enemy mutators that reduce your range to 0 or increase SPA to the point where the unit becomes unusable like they do with energy drain doesn't exist.
winter salmon
How energy drain works in regular game modes is completely different from how it...
Doesn't exist yet
fair blaze
Amazing response
winter salmon
I don't know what else you want me to say to this lol
It doesn't really function that differently. It forces you to plan your team accordingly
fair blaze
It doesn't really function *that* differently. It forces you to plan your team a...
By that meaning to use the same units as everyone else
winter salmon
You bring something to counter energy drain harassment
fair blaze
Game is in its current state with all the bugs and dumb mechanics because the tester team is full off 55 overalls with no badges
winter salmon
There's like 12 lmao
fair blaze
Literally from haloween skins not functioning all up to being cuffed in solo and not being able to interact with towers this present day game is riddled with problems
The bug fixes are longer than the actual updates everytime yall testers are doing an amazing job
winter salmon
We literally can't do anything about when stuff gets fixed
We're just testers bro, what do you expect us to do about the backlog of reports we've already made 😭
marsh nimbus
I mean, energy drain was made and put into the game *for* pvp, and it was implem...
😄 🤝
marsh nimbus
It doesn't really function *that* differently. It forces you to plan your team a...
Ppl don’t get that line bruh “team accordingly”
Literally if energy drain had a cap it wouldn’t be useful
In PvP and in the game
Just promos afk
And I love PvP cuz u can ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING
u gotta use that brain
Equip the right team
Know your opps units
/element
How u gonna counter that element
I think energy drain should stay in made game and PvP cuz it’s literally makes it so u HAVE to get other units
lavish harness
Literally from haloween skins not functioning all up to being cuffed in solo and...
im pretty sure being cuffed in cid raid is intentional
you get 20 seconds to upgrade then 40 seconds of being cuffed
although it is very infuriating in solo
marsh nimbus
im pretty sure being cuffed in cid raid is intentional
Not in solos
Only when playing with others it happens
lavish harness
Not in solos
it is in solo's i saw it mentioned somewhere
marsh nimbus
And did raids is bugged rn
lavish harness
the "Interact thing" behind you is a bug
marsh nimbus
it is in solo's i saw it mentioned somewhere
Yea that’s a bug
lavish harness
and you not being able to interact with towers while cuffed is also a bug
but getting cuffed is not i think
i saw it somewhere
marsh nimbus
U not suppose to get cuffed in solos
winter salmon
Yes you are
marsh nimbus
Yes you are
U not deadass
lavish harness
they mentioned it in the upd log
winter salmon
Yeah
lavish harness
let me try finding it
marsh nimbus
Oh hell nah
marsh nimbus
Am not doing cid raid no more 😭
Why would u get cuffed solo?
Well at least u can like
Still click the towers
Nvm am thinking too much abt that stupid bug
candid zinc
Still click the towers
That’s bugged if you have vfx off
lavish harness
this is the change they should actually revert
he says "I am atomic" in 2 seconds
marsh nimbus
LOL
lavish harness
litteraly 1 lag spike and the whole run is over
marsh nimbus
Deadass
lavish harness
doesn't make it any better that he has 60 million health
winter salmon
he says "I am atomic" in 2 seconds
that's not what that change meant
It meant that if you press the wrong tower, they all get deactivated
bleak valley
yea the timer hasnt been changed and its still not that hard
lavish harness
that's not what that change meant
the timer still sucks
winter salmon
Also you have more time for the atomic in solo anyways
Like, more than enough time
lavish harness
he says his whole dialogue in 3~ seconds
idk bro
even with a mount you barely get to the 4th towe
bleak valley
its like 10 seconds of dialogue and then like 15 seconds to touch the towers
winter salmon
Maybe if you're doing it by yourself in co-op
lavish harness
its like 10 seconds of dialogue and then like 15 seconds to touch the towers
in easy mode yeah
in hard mode
nah
winter salmon
In solo you have plenty of time
lavish harness
way lower than 15 seconds
winter salmon
even in act 2
bleak valley
solo in hard mode its like 15
lavish harness
idk bro
winter salmon
Like you can get to every tower with nimbus before he even says "atomic"
lavish harness
he just follows "Am" after "I" immediatly for me
marsh nimbus
U need that azien mount gang💔
bleak valley
yea but the nuke doesnt go off until later
lavish harness
nuke goes off after he says atomic by like 3 seconds
when the screen turns purple
either way it's still very low
to already be cuffed and 50m+ damage and a low timer to finish all towers
marsh nimbus
Ngl
He ain’t lying
U generally don’t have time
Even if u mess up
It’s even fucking worse
lavish harness
if you mess up don't even think about finishing them
lavish harness
the run's already over atp
royal light
They made hard cid raid way too hard atp
I used to spam e on towers
Now it messes it up
marsh nimbus
Deadass
royal light
Playing duo pmo
marsh nimbus
lol
lavish harness
in duos if one of you is cuffed u can't interact with the towers
marsh nimbus
Idk why everything crashed this update
bleak valley
ok just timed it its like a full 25 seconds from when he says I to when you cant touch the towers anymore
lavish harness
ok just timed it its like a full 25 seconds from when he says I to when you cant...
25 seconds?
srsly
bleak valley
for solo hard yea
lavish harness
bro if i had 25 seconds
royal light
if its 25 thats very decent (?)
marsh nimbus
Ain’t no way it’s 25 seconds
lavish harness
maybe they shadow nerfed it
marsh nimbus
Yk how long 25 seconds is??
lavish harness
ill try tomorrow
bleak valley
i have been able to fully guess the towers and not lose
the only time i lost was when i wasnt paying attention and didnt know the tower order and he was already halfway to nuking
other than that i have been able to guess the order and still win
royal light
other than that i have been able to guess the order and still win
Theres no way u guess it
if you missed the entire time he said the numbers
marsh nimbus
He said he had 25 seconds
lavish harness
cuz you can't interact with towers for 40 seconds until the cuffs are gone
lavish harness
same
marsh nimbus
LOL
lavish harness
i think he's right
marsh nimbus
If that shit was 25 seconds
lavish harness
maybe they shadow nerfed it
marsh nimbus
I would do it with randoms
lavish harness
you can't even do solo now
marsh nimbus
maybe they shadow nerfed it
Yea maybe
bleak valley
I would do it with randoms
with more ppl its less time
royal light
:(
bleak valley
25 is only solo
velvet pivot
this is the change they should actually revert
they trying too hard to be anti mangro bruh
lavish harness
with more ppl its less time
how much
velvet pivot
😭😭
bleak valley
uuhhhhh idk
lavish harness
bro with more people it's even more intense
marsh nimbus
with more ppl its less time
bleak valley
i just know that the timing for group is pretty tight
lavish harness
oh yeah
marsh nimbus
Oh hell nah twin
royal light
with more ppl its less time
Can you reiterate what u js said above
royal light
U guess the combination always?
lavish harness
but still
if one of u get cuffed
it's over
eveyrthing is over
11 minutes wasted
restart
velvet pivot
they trying too hard to be anti mangro bruh
they make stages unmangroable it just means its borderline impossible to do it manually
💔
bleak valley
U guess the combination always?
sometimes if i wasnt paying attention
the timing is tight but its fairly doable
royal light
Idc about stages being unmangroable bc of mechanics, just make them soloable and playable
royal light
sometimes if i wasnt paying attention
the timing is tight but its fairly doable
So you didnt see any number and you still guess it within "25" seconds?
ts crazy
velvet pivot
Idc about stages being unmangroable bc of mechanics, just make them soloable and...
yeah if they make it unmangroable its gonna be basically impossible to do manually too
royal light
Idk how people mangro cards
lavish harness
So you didnt see any number and you still guess it within "25" seconds?
i don't think that's what he meant
royal light
Like the modifiers
lavish harness
maybe he missed a number
velvet pivot
image reader ai
royal light
yeah then they can guess it
royal light
they way i intrepreted it is u guessing the entire combination
royal light
still i've never had 25 whole seconds before
yeah.
I mean you'll feel the time, I guess, if you're doing the towers
25 seconds is long
velvet pivot
yeah then they can guess it
no it just makes you click where the buff is
royal light
I'm on a mac i cant even download all these mangroing roblox stuff 🥀
twin thorn
Theres so many counters to energy drain the mechanic isnt tht bad
lavish harness
yeah.
he did say
10 sec for the numbers
15 sec for towers
now that i think about it
velvet pivot
Theres so many counters to energy drain the mechanic isnt tht bad
still tedious to bring a unit just to counter 1 modifier
royal light
Why do you count that
lavish harness
still tedious to bring a unit just to counter 1 modifier
just use vsjw
everybody and their grandmas has vsjw now
twin thorn
still tedious to bring a unit just to counter 1 modifier
Swap units, unknown, cleansers, dmg debuff immune units not a problem 💀
velvet pivot
Swap units, unknown, cleansers, dmg debuff immune units not a problem 💀
i didnt say its hard bro
royal light
not that hard in low elo/rating matches
velvet pivot
i jsut said its tedious
twin thorn
i didnt say its hard bro
Its not tedious to bring any of those units
royal light
now that u can solo with lfelt
lfelt can solo it?
lavish harness
lfelt can solo it?
monarch lfelt
winter salmon
Soloing with lfelt was also due to a bug with the spawn patterns
royal light
yo...
winter salmon
lavish harness
Soloing with lfelt was also due to a bug with the spawn patterns
fr?
royal light
lfelt is out of hand
lavish harness
u can't anymore?
winter salmon
Yeah
bleak valley
u can't anymore?
i dont think its been fixed yet
winter salmon
Nothing spawned out of the right side portal on your first run
royal light
what is the spawn pattern though is it random and enemies can come from any of the three?
bleak valley
so far the only strat that can work once spawn pattern gets fixed is the yuha sokora strats
other ones require being lucky
lavish harness
so far the only strat that can work once spawn pattern gets fixed is the yuha so...
wait where's the strat
i can't find the vid
bleak valley
mon yhawch, sokora to lower his spa, rares as fodder for him
velvet pivot
mon yhawch, sokora to lower his spa, rares as fodder for him
rares or vergil and giselle
lemme try
still linden
lfelt is out of hand
Who wouldve though 260k dps would be unbalanced eh?
bleak valley
rares or vergil and giselle
vergil dont work
boss has immunity
still linden
????
winter salmon
he's talking about for yuha strats
There's rares that have 6 placements
and giselle is 9
lavish harness
mon yhawch, sokora to lower his spa, rares as fodder for him
what about the armored modifier
bleak valley
only during dt
thats alot of work and yen when rares are 5 placements
bleak valley
what about the armored modifier
rares
lavish harness
next to track?
bleak valley
just place them at the boss
lavish harness
no vid for that?
bleak valley
there might be idk
velvet pivot
There's rares that have 6 placements
only rares have 5 but vergil and giselle 6 & above
winter salmon
I could've sworn there were a couple rares with 6
velvet pivot
huh last time i used them they were 5
royal light
theres also killua, 5 but stuns
velvet pivot
oh they are 6
still linden
I could've sworn there were a couple rares with 6
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