#Update 6.0 feedback

1 messages · Page 2 of 1

pure yew
#

high ranks it does require some

rare idol
#

If you weren’t lvl like 80 and above idk how you were supposed to play this upd tbh

noble linden
#

theres better units to use

golden jackal
#

Fr im 15-0 pvp is way too simple

hot ridge
#

Man stfu

noble linden
#

even if you want a good early wave defending

#

gohan is literally there

hot ridge
#

You’re just coping

#

Because vergil got a huge nerf

pure yew
#

He is a great unit if you don't have monarchs

hot ridge
#

And sol is better

golden jackal
#

Vergil didnt get nerfed

#

Hes been like that since 5.5

pure yew
#

Dawg 8.1k DPS with abilities just for 50k

#

He's like the cheapest mythic

hot ridge
#

Bro seriously stfu

golden jackal
#

Without the "nerf" vergil would be doing 360k u know that right

pure yew
hot ridge
#

You’re just saying anything ato

pure yew
#

He got bug fixed

golden jackal
#

hes balanced

#

If vergil done full aoe follow ups he would do 360k

noble linden
golden jackal
#

So ofc it got changed

noble linden
#

this isnt true

hot ridge
pure yew
noble linden
#

there are mythicals that are cheaper

golden jackal
#

It was on his follow ups

#

they used to attack randomly

pure yew
hot ridge
pure yew
#

Now it's small asf

hot ridge
#

Wtf are you yapping?

pure yew
golden jackal
hot ridge
hot ridge
#

Stop the cope

golden jackal
#

He just isnt but okay

pure yew
golden jackal
#

You are only saying this cause you have sol monarch

#

and I have vergil monarch

pure yew
#

If you really did read the unit description

golden jackal
#

whats the point in continuing to argue about nonsense with me

#

we will never agree

hot ridge
golden jackal
#

I couldnt care if sol is better than vergil or if vergil is better than sol

#

I have better monarchs

hot ridge
hot ridge
#

But sol is better

hot ridge
golden jackal
#

Debate all you want he wouldnt ever be used in my team

tight wharf
golden jackal
#

I can make gogeta do more damage, and with his tech hes more useful in odyssey

hot ridge
#

Cope

tight wharf
#

but virgil is immune to stat debuff

golden jackal
pure yew
golden jackal
#

Not immune to debuffs without install

#

aka before max upgrade

pure yew
#

also he is not full AOE

tight wharf
hot ridge
pure yew
#

So in some cases vergil is better

#

Some cases sol

golden jackal
#

Again I wont argue because im happy knowing my vergil does what I need him to do

#

as part of my team

#

That sol could never do

#

cause sol would only replace my monarch yamamoto

hot ridge
rare idol
#

What’s the point in arguing this when he has sol monarch and you have Vergil monarch but let’s be real monarch yhwach solos all

pure yew
hot ridge
golden jackal
#

Its 50k with black spirit lol

hot ridge
golden jackal
hot ridge
pure yew
golden jackal
#

Example of why sol is useless to me:

#

Odyssey

pure yew
hot ridge
pure yew
#

And skeletons

golden jackal
#

vergil needs upg 5 only to be good

pure yew
#

He literally gets full AOE faster than rem and ram

hot ridge
pure yew
golden jackal
pure yew
#

Otherwise still somewhat good

#

But not that good

rare idol
golden jackal
#

or if money is no issue

pure yew
#

btw

#

Gear boy might be better than sol

#

With Lfelt

#

overall he is better

hot ridge
# pure yew what is it

That vergil has no follow ups in full aoe now, only the initial attack. So, his damage in the full aoe is literally a very small fraction of his dps, you could do more damage full aoe with baikens tether

pure yew
#

bro

hot ridge
golden jackal
#

Id need to see gear boy monarch tbh hes the only unit i dont even know

pure yew
#

Gear boy is super goated

#

I might glaze him

pure yew
golden jackal
#

bridget is the worst this upd

#

i knew the moment i seen her

golden jackal
pure yew
hot ridge
pure yew
#

9.2k with elfelt just being placed

pure yew
#

8.1k

#

Dps

#

no traits

hot ridge
#

81k?

golden jackal
#

does he have any abilities

#

or is he just dps

hot ridge
#

Oh mb

pure yew
hot ridge
#

Per placement

pure yew
#

He only costs

#

50K

tight wharf
#

no nuke or stun

golden jackal
#

Oh

#

Good beginner unit then ig

pure yew
tight wharf
#

average dmg builder

pure yew
#

He's good late game too

golden jackal
#

Not late late game though

pure yew
#

If you don't have monarchs yeah

hot ridge
#

Total it, not even 37k dps traitless. Even ethereal isn’t gonna push that to be better than sol, and that’s with elfelt

golden jackal
#

Yeah thats what i mean

golden jackal
#

full aoe?

tame violet
tight wharf
#

no

golden jackal
#

Shouldnt rlly spend rrs on him then

#

unless you new

pure yew
#

It's not just the DPS bro

hot ridge
pure yew
#

He is 50k

hot ridge
#

Ah

pure yew
#

He costs 50k*

tight wharf
#

Gear boy isnt in the dps calc, is this a type of gatekeep

golden jackal
#

Just get yhwach he does 100k min for 60k

#

monarch i mean

tame violet
#

51k + 40% with his first passive

rare idol
pure yew
#

wow monarch is good on him

hot ridge
# pure yew He costs 50k*

Okay he's a good cheap dps, sure, but rem n ram is cheaper and goes full aoe too, and does NOT need to be micromanaged like the gg units

rare idol
pure yew
#

50k

tight wharf
#

@tame violet dm

pure yew
#

lalalalallaa

hot ridge
hot ridge
pure yew
golden jackal
#

If you need gear boy monarch then there is just better options lol

pure yew
pure yew
golden jackal
#

Yeah thats what we should be looking at

hot ridge
#

Rem going full aoe and then becoming a boss killer is imo better

#

But you do you ig

pure yew
golden jackal
#

Looks to be a solid unit that traits dont rlly matter that much on

pure yew
#

dawg you gotta max her out to give her good dp

#

Dps

hot ridge
golden jackal
#

rem and ram got buffed too cause of curse

hot ridge
pure yew
hot ridge
#

Stop glazing him bro

golden jackal
#

Yhwach is the unit that would be good even if he was 120k lol

noble linden
#

yhwach is just crazy busted

golden jackal
#

Considering you can chuck on a full team of rares and have the highest full aoe dps in the game

#

with status and some sort of debuff immunity

#

can also function as a buff unit that can buff up to 30% dmg with 20k dps (monarch yhwach)

hot ridge
#

Yeah he's busted

#

But does need a team based around him to reach peak

golden jackal
#

Hes perfect for mvp theft on rifts

hot ridge
#

Nah monarch Aizen claps

golden jackal
#

Thats what I mean

#

my monarch aizen with my yhwach

#

273k damage

#

On his dmg stat

hot ridge
#

Cool

#

Cool

golden jackal
#

Best combo for mvp theft

hot ridge
#

Cool

#

My f2p ass can only say cool

rare idol
golden jackal
pure yew
golden jackal
#

If someone has a better birb than me

pure yew
golden jackal
#

they would probably win

hot ridge
pure yew
rare idol
golden jackal
#

I have

pure yew
#

Almost 4k at max

golden jackal
#

ive gotten people with the same team as me

pure yew
#

Which gives her small AOE

golden jackal
#

mon vsjw,gogetayhwach with foo and aizen

pure yew
#

Only with the 120s cool down she gets 10k dps

golden jackal
#

it comes down to the birb we have trust me

pure yew
#

@hot ridge go defend 3k DPS rem and ram

#

btw gear boy I was talking about had worser stats

rare idol
golden jackal
rare idol
#

I have had a lot of yhwach + aizen in my rifts but they haven’t gone close to stealing my mvp

golden jackal
#

i use 4 monarchs and 2 farms

pure yew
#

Rem and ram is not even meta anymore

tight wharf
#

im always mvp

noble linden
#

shes the beginner unit

rare idol
tight wharf
#

baiken monarch is really busted on rifits too, im not getting her anyway marks is fine

hot ridge
# pure yew Only with the 120s cool down she gets 10k dps

Since we're talking about cost here, that means we're talking about 15 wave low income modes. In those kinds of modes, you would get rems to full aoe, and max out when boss spawns and use the ability. And the boss will die before ability runs out or soon after. That's the main use of her. Sin is not beating her in that kinda mode. And in any other mode, you're better off using yhwach for 60k or sol for 70k. Point is, stfu

golden jackal
tight wharf
noble linden
#

theres a reason why ppl tell u the moment u first start playing to go to afk hub

noble linden
#

purely to just get rem

pure yew
#

Just because it's full AOE

hot ridge
noble linden
#

lol

#

and rem is just way easier to get then sin

tight wharf
#

if its high enough and good range

pure yew
hot ridge
pure yew
#

It is important

rare idol
noble linden
pure yew
#

But gear boy has double DPS vro 💔

noble linden
#

considering sin relies on meter

rare idol
#

But then I would be buffing others as well

pure yew
golden jackal
rare idol
#

Which I don’t want

hot ridge
noble linden
#

and he also relies on his ability

rare idol
golden jackal
noble linden
#

rem has the extra 30% dmg to bosses, stun immunity, cheaper then sin, full aoe, + an ability to compensate for the lower dps

#

i personally would bring rem to more content rather then sin

hot ridge
#

Yep

#

My point exactly

rare idol
noble linden
#
  • you cant even auto sins ability im psure
pure yew
noble linden
#

thats more micro manging i dont wanna do

golden jackal
#

lol

rare idol
golden jackal
#

Nobody has ever come close to me but if your aizen really does 293k it would be better than mine would

rare idol
#

I just run birb on mine

noble linden
#

kinda crazy

golden jackal
#

mine has 28.8% crit with 273k

golden jackal
#

Yhwach dps is heavily limited on rifts cause his second passive isnt always going to hit

noble linden
golden jackal
pure yew
tight wharf
golden jackal
#

I saw some guy on the yhwach method and knew it was a winner

noble linden
rare idol
noble linden
#

like i said and multiple people said

#

i would much rather bring rem for the early full aoe, cheaper overall cost and the extra boss dmg

#

then just bring sin

golden jackal
noble linden
#

and manging his ability

#

who u cant even put on auto

#
  • rem has stun immunity and debuff immunity
#

rem can also build up crit chance, so birb is really good on her

#

compared to sin, who relies on Black spirit

rare idol
golden jackal
#

u have insane familiar luck

rare idol
#

I can never get + rng on birbs but my other stats are goated

#

Yea

golden jackal
#

I have 17.4 range on my gogeta birb

#

imma use it on baiken when i need to tho

#

this too for sjw which is aight

rare idol
#

Yea

#

It’s still really good on vsjw

golden jackal
#

i have a birb with 35.6 crit dmg

#

and like 15.4% crit chance inc

#

i think it would go hard on deadeye sjw

rare idol
#

That on deadeye sjw is probably the best for him by a a lot

golden jackal
#

i havent used my deadeye one in ages

#

might try it

rare idol
#

I haven’t used mine much either

golden jackal
dusk minnow
#

guys is av dying

rare idol
#

Depends on the next upd

dusk minnow
hot ridge
#

Js play anime rising

#

But don't play arx new upd

#

L game

pure yew
#

how smart

pure yew
pure yew
#

should be ok next upd if they come up with a good one

velvet pendant
pure yew
#

@noble linden whole point of gear boy is his abilities but whatever let's discard it!

#

It's only 110% dmg buff

#

Doesn't matter!

#

Lalalalala

#

150% with food stock

#

120% continuesly

#

But whatever!

#

I'm not even gonna argue atp

#

"Rem and ram gets a good ability which makes her DPS and AOE same as him for 30 seconds" 🤓

#

Got a lil mad

#

And yapped mb

#

so like

#

You're basically ignoring 120% DPS boost

#

That's basically saying "ywach sucks (I won't count the Starfall ability cuz yeah)"

shell quiver
#

-# damn

pure yew
#

I lowk made a mountain mb

shell quiver
#

-# KannaConfused

pure yew
#

Basically gear boy > Rem and Ram

tame violet
#

yes

#

i agree

noble linden
noble linden
#

its helpful for the early waves

#

sin strives to be a pure dps, but that role gets overshadowed by other mythicals
he has no stun or debuff immunity so he can effectively lose that dps to stun/debuffs, rem is also a pretty good early wave boss killer for modes like champion, i just prefer rem over sin

tight wharf
#

this is like a common birb

pure yew
#

Even with 30%

#

She can't reach his dps

#

?

#

Early bosses

#

They stun once or twice and die

#

she'll get stunned once

#

Both will

#

There won't be second for gear boy

#

Will be for rr

#

think it like that

arctic vessel
#

Sin strives to be a cheap dps option

pure yew
#

No it's not mid

#

he's good

#

I'll prove y'all tmew

#

Tmrw

#

At max 8.2k

#

I didn't calculate that

#

8.1k*

#

With Lfelt 9.2k

arctic vessel
#

It’s pretty comparable to rem iirc, better than hers, but I might be wrong

pure yew
#

I'm not saying he's better than vergil

pure yew
#

Rem and ram has 3.4k DPS

#

I calculated with the buffs from her ability

#

Wait nvm

#

4.3k DPS

#

I'll brb for gear boy

hot ridge
#

Not that deep

#

You can use sin if you want

arctic vessel
#

He’s not a bad unit by any means

pure yew
#

Gear boy can have 6.5k DPS consistently

#

7.4k if he keeps using food stocks

arctic vessel
#

Very solid unit for newer players to pull on if they can get to that point in story, fulfills the same kinda niche rem has with the only caveat being that she was cheap with a full aoe option, but didn’t end on it. Sin doesn’t get that

pure yew
scarlet stream
arctic vessel
#

I mean he doesn’t do anything special for PvP

scarlet stream
#

also hella cheap to max

pure yew
#

cheap

#

Good dps

#

Farm for enemy

arctic vessel
#

Tbh being cheap isn’t as much of a strong point in PvP

pure yew
#

ants with modifiers

arctic vessel
#

Because of the economy system

scarlet stream
#

tbh you don't even need all that in pvp

pure yew
scarlet stream
#

all you gotta do is bring lfelft slow stun medea 2 farms build up eco till wave 20 and send em out

#

legit it's so shit this pvp system

pure yew
#

they both get banned

scarlet stream
arctic vessel
#

What sean said

pure yew
#

Economy doesn't increase the money you gain per wave right

arctic vessel
#

that's literally what it is

pure yew
#

Wait

#

Seriously?

arctic vessel
#

YES LMAO

#

You spend money to earn money

pure yew
#

brooo

#

I thought it was only for modifiers

#

Someone told me that

arctic vessel
#

no Sob4k

pure yew
#

Then someone else told me it doesn't

arctic vessel
#

That's why spam sending ants is so important

peak rock
arctic vessel
#

But you also give your opponent hella yen for kills too so it's not all just strictly benefit

pure yew
#

I was thinking that way

peak rock
rare idol
#

but im ngl pvp gives to much money by the time its like 15 minutes in the match you almost 100k

peak rock
pure yew
#

Ants give like 50-70 money right

scarlet stream
#

all you need is overshield/resilient regen and absorptions depends on what they have
the rest is fast

rare idol
#

I mean this is true but if you are above gold its always like that

peak rock
scarlet stream
pure yew
#

Does anyone even use mind control

#

Even if it wasn't bugged

pure yew
arctic vessel
peak rock
#

u can guarantee a win with resilient if they are only using monarch yhwach or all full aoe

#

at some point they stop taking damage

arctic vessel
scarlet stream
#

yup

peak rock
#

just like white ants in ant dungeon

arctic vessel
#

lucy's irrelevant in traited though

pure yew
peak rock
arctic vessel
#

Familiars

#

^

peak rock
#

traitless removes familiars too?

arctic vessel
#

yes

peak rock
#

damn

pure yew
#

traitless is pure f2p

#

Like just fair

#

Except for the stats

peak rock
#

some familiars are locked behind an unobtainable wall

pure yew
#

I meant like just fair

#

Overall

peak rock
#

but i guess you have birb

arctic vessel
#

They are incredibly easy to get very close to one another

#

Like obviously from D to Z is a huge jump, but people aren't going around with D stats

scarlet stream
#

bruh

peak rock
#

monarch yamamoto you don't even have to ban it

arctic vessel
#

he beat me to the uryu joke

peak rock
#

just let them spam skeletons then use absorption and overshield

arctic vessel
#

Oh right, Lucy too

scarlet stream
#

It's so free

arctic vessel
#

They're the only units I know rn that specifically want a D stat

peak rock
#

since absorption heals you

scarlet stream
#

yup

peak rock
#

yamamoto gets heavily countered

#

if only i had known

#

i wouldn't had lost to one

twilit zenith
arctic vessel
#

But it relies on not having an SPA trait though, doesn't it?

forest quiver
#

2nd passive is a follow up attack that has a 5 second local cooldown

twilit zenith
round cedar
#

guys yall think it is possible to do ex tsage without monarch

arctic vessel
#

Probably, honestly

twilit zenith
lunar lantern
#

Should be able to take down the boss, and for the early wave the rise ability should also handle it

#

With some supp/sub dps

lunar lantern
#

Yeah

pure yew
#

rises would probably have 10k hp

#

you need about 4-7 rises to handle 1 enemy at the right side

#

actually nvm

arctic vessel
#

Traitless absolutely not, but no monarch only is probably doable

lunar lantern
#

?Their HP scale with the ennemy's hp

pure yew
#

With lots of vsjw possible ig

pure yew
#

Enemies got 100k HP dawg not millions

#

they take like 10% 20%?

lunar lantern
#

Yeah but I still think it's enough

#

With enough supp it should be doable

scarlet stream
#

also kind of depends on rng
sometimes he takes away ur dmg units and then you'll have a hard time killing him

#

sometimes he yoinks all my farms and not my monarchs

peak rock
#

No monarch isn't doable

#

At least not now

#

Even 99 percent of the games monarchs can't solo

arctic vessel
#

Who said anything about solo

dusk minnow
peak rock
#

only if you guys have vanguard sung jin woo

#

otherwise it's impossible

pure yew
#

Solo was also impossible a week ago

peak rock
#

Come up with a team no monarchs and I'll agree with you

#

Must be able to 1 player solo the stage

pure yew
#

Not solo

#

4 player

#

Bro

#

Why do you keep going from 4 players to 1 player repeatedly

#

@arctic vessel is it a better idea to build defense or straight up go for a cheap enemy if your opponent is still farming/newly finished farming or has bad defense

golden jackal
#

My pvp strat was to farm economy until wave 15 with red ants

normal compass
#

yes its good to see the devs adding the games/anime they fancy once in a while and av is prolly the first td to add anime games in their game i really like the update ngl

peak rock
pure yew
peak rock
#

were talking about a team no monarchs that can do the ex stage

pure yew
#

Then you change the topic for some reason and say you can't do it solo

pure yew
peak rock
#

you can't do it solo without monarchs

waxen willow
#

His point is that 4 people without monarchs can do it, even if its difficult

#

Obviously you cant solo it with no monarchs, next youre gonna tell me every 60 seconds in africa a minute passes

#

Shocker

waxen willow
#

😡

peak rock
#

im out

lunar lantern