#Update 6.0 feedback
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If you weren’t lvl like 80 and above idk how you were supposed to play this upd tbh
theres better units to use
Fr im 15-0 pvp is way too simple
Man stfu
He is a great unit if you don't have monarchs
And sol is better
Bro seriously stfu
Without the "nerf" vergil would be doing 360k u know that right
He didn't get a nerf
You’re just saying anything ato
He got bug fixed
like i said, there still better options regardless of monarch
So ofc it got changed
I mean that his follow ups aoe is now a tiny circle
Nerf wasn't on his dps
It was always supposed to be like that
He has 130k dps 😭🙏
But it wasn’t like that before, no?
Wtf are you yapping?
That was a bug
Yeah hes good at shredding down boss hp
Still bro
Sol is a better overall unit
Stop the cope
He just isnt but okay
his passive always said follow up attacks do attack 1
If you really did read the unit description
BRO BUT IT WAS BUGGED BEFORE AND DID FULL AOE FOLLOW UPS, SO THE BUG BEING FIXED IS TECHNICALLY A NERF
I couldnt care if sol is better than vergil or if vergil is better than sol
I have better monarchs
Yup
Indirect nerf
But sol is better
Okay cook
Debate all you want he wouldnt ever be used in my team
Sol>Virgil overall, sol doesnt need stuns/time stop
I can make gogeta do more damage, and with his tech hes more useful in odyssey
Cope
but virgil is immune to stat debuff
Sol needs max upg, needs monarch, needs black spirit
Not rlly sol needs to be maxed just to be good
also he is not full AOE
ye
Sol is immune in his form too 🤷
Again I wont argue because im happy knowing my vergil does what I need him to do
as part of my team
That sol could never do
cause sol would only replace my monarch yamamoto
Yeah but vergil does like 30k dmg only in his full aoe. Sure it’s better than nothing but that’s not really helping
???
What’s the point in arguing this when he has sol monarch and you have Vergil monarch but let’s be real monarch yhwach solos all
Monarch Yama is way better than sol
They work well together but whatevs
Its 50k with black spirit lol
About 70k
Still insignificant
Hes definitely hella underrated with the right familiar
Point still stands
Save rrs for kaguya tbh
70k is insane dawg and it's without follow ups
He has full AOE early
Can agree with that, but in pvp, use absorption abd he’s doing more bad than good
And skeletons
vergil needs upg 5 only to be good
He literally gets full AOE faster than rem and ram
You don’t get it do you
what is it
Yeah hes a troll pvp pick but hes good on dungeons and hard progressives
Sol needs to be maxed to be good
Otherwise still somewhat good
But not that good
Yea I been saving seen the weekend if I’m being honest monarch vsjw and monarch yhwach are like the only 2 monarchs you need
Thats why hes only good if hes one of your only monarchs
or if money is no issue
That vergil has no follow ups in full aoe now, only the initial attack. So, his damage in the full aoe is literally a very small fraction of his dps, you could do more damage full aoe with baikens tether
bro
Chill bro
Id need to see gear boy monarch tbh hes the only unit i dont even know
He's not good with monarch
So ethereal?
8.1k DPS for only 50k
He’s good, sure, but you’re pushing it with those statements
9.2k with elfelt just being placed
Dawg
8.1k
Dps
no traits
81k?
Oh mb
8.1k
Per placement
his abilities is like dmg increase
no nuke or stun
His abilities boost his DMG by like 140%
average dmg builder
Not late late game though
If you don't have monarchs yeah
Total it, not even 37k dps traitless. Even ethereal isn’t gonna push that to be better than sol, and that’s with elfelt
48k dps with monarch
Yeah thats what i mean
circle
no
I think he is 4 placement
It's not just the DPS bro
So... why the glaze? He does nothing special
He is 50k
Ah
He costs 50k*
Gear boy isnt in the dps calc, is this a type of gatekeep
51k + 40% with his first passive
Comes in yhwach
wow monarch is good on him
Okay he's a good cheap dps, sure, but rem n ram is cheaper and goes full aoe too, and does NOT need to be micromanaged like the gg units
This lowkey goated
@tame violet dm
lalalalallaa
Auto use:
Okay that's good for 50k, but the micro management, is it really worth it to not take rem instead who goes full aoe too?
I heard he still needs to be managed tho?
that's good for more than 50k 😭🙏
If you need gear boy monarch then there is just better options lol
Just small management
He is good without monarch as well
Yeah thats what we should be looking at
Her DPS is bad compared to gear boy
Looks to be a solid unit that traits dont rlly matter that much on
Cheaper and full aoe + boss killer ability is the point
rem and ram got buffed too cause of curse
Yeah, crazy boss killer for 44k
6k difference is so much NGL 💔
Then sol costs 70k, he should count here too. Count yhwach too he's 60k
Stop glazing him bro
Yhwach is the unit that would be good even if he was 120k lol
yhwach is just crazy busted
Considering you can chuck on a full team of rares and have the highest full aoe dps in the game
with status and some sort of debuff immunity
can also function as a buff unit that can buff up to 30% dmg with 20k dps (monarch yhwach)
Hes perfect for mvp theft on rifts
Nah monarch Aizen claps
Best combo for mvp theft
Nah just aizen with monarch spam beats that due to yhwach spa unfortunately
I literally have not been beaten using this
20k is a big difference
If someone has a better birb than me
Ywach is like the best unit in the game
they would probably win
Okay but you should get it by now
Rem and ram has 3k dps
You haven’t gotten any sweats yet then
I have
Almost 4k at max
ive gotten people with the same team as me
Which gives her small AOE
mon vsjw,gogetayhwach with foo and aizen
Only with the 120s cool down she gets 10k dps
it comes down to the birb we have trust me
@hot ridge go defend 3k DPS rem and ram
btw gear boy I was talking about had worser stats
If you guys have same pot familiars I’m pretty sure monarchs spam just beats that
Are you even listening to what I said
I have had a lot of yhwach + aizen in my rifts but they haven’t gone close to stealing my mvp
i use 4 monarchs and 2 farms
What units do you use then
Rem and ram is not even meta anymore
Aizen, DE vsjw, CId and Gogeta is my loadout
im always mvp
tbf, rem cost 44k, infinitely easier to get then sin, 2nd cheapest full aoe to delta
shes the beginner unit
Vsjw Rohan gogeita and aizen all monarchs with almost god birbs
baiken monarch is really busted on rifits too, im not getting her anyway marks is fine
Since we're talking about cost here, that means we're talking about 15 wave low income modes. In those kinds of modes, you would get rems to full aoe, and max out when boss spawns and use the ability. And the boss will die before ability runs out or soon after. That's the main use of her. Sin is not beating her in that kinda mode. And in any other mode, you're better off using yhwach for 60k or sol for 70k. Point is, stfu
Its literally coming down to your birbs you could replace rohan with a buff and do more
30% dmg increase against bosses
theres a reason why ppl tell u the moment u first start playing to go to afk hub
3k DPS over 6-7k is wild work
purely to just get rem
Just because it's full AOE
Yep
yes full aoe is that important
lol
and rem is just way easier to get then sin
full aoe does compensate the dps lost
if its high enough and good range
We are debating on who's better not who's a better beginner unit
Yes bro
It is important
I have like a 9.5 percent foo so maybe
for whos better, i would personally bring rem over sin
But gear boy has double DPS vro 💔
considering sin relies on meter
But then I would be buffing others as well
Easy build up
how much damage does your aizen do on max
Which I don’t want
Bro did you not even read what I said? In the only use case for cheap units. rem will ALWAYS outperform sin
and he also relies on his ability
234k something with like 22 percent crit
It doesnt buff others if you use yhwach lol
rem has the extra 30% dmg to bosses, stun immunity, cheaper then sin, full aoe, + an ability to compensate for the lower dps
i personally would bring rem to more content rather then sin
I didn’t know this actually maybe I do bring monarch yhwach
- you cant even auto sins ability im psure
Bro is bringing up ywach and sol sybau fr
thats more micro manging i dont wanna do
Yes bring monarch yhwach with foo you can get that aizen to do like 290
lol
I’ll try this my next rift maybe I have just been enlightened
Its THE method if you have a good gogeta familiar too lol
Nobody has ever come close to me but if your aizen really does 293k it would be better than mine would
I just run birb on mine
wasting foo on yhwach
kinda crazy
mine has 28.8% crit with 273k
This is a rift strat
Yhwach dps is heavily limited on rifts cause his second passive isnt always going to hit
ahh, i always do my rifts solo with my 2 alts for mvp so
Prob the smarter thing to do and not just queueing for public matches ig
3k DPS is really gonna help dw gng
i got some fun competing with randoms
Me too i like to see what i can do to improve my damage lol
I saw some guy on the yhwach method and knew it was a winner
not including abilites its geuinuely not a big diference
I enjoy taking mvp from others it’s like the only good use of monarchs
like i said and multiple people said
i would much rather bring rem for the early full aoe, cheaper overall cost and the extra boss dmg
then just bring sin
What birb do you have for gogeta
and manging his ability
who u cant even put on auto
- rem has stun immunity and debuff immunity
rem can also build up crit chance, so birb is really good on her
compared to sin, who relies on Black spirit
15 percent dmg - 10 rng 10 crit dmg and like 18 crit chance
Lowkey cracked for him
u have insane familiar luck
I have 17.4 range on my gogeta birb
imma use it on baiken when i need to tho
this too for sjw which is aight
True i swap them around alot
i have a birb with 35.6 crit dmg
and like 15.4% crit chance inc
i think it would go hard on deadeye sjw
It would
That on deadeye sjw is probably the best for him by a a lot
I’m ngl I think every gamemode rn but inf monarch is better
I haven’t used mine much either
Definitely he kinda sucks outside of inf
guys is av dying
bum ass game takes too long to updt
It's only a month or so
Bugs killing it
should be ok next upd if they come up with a good one
@noble linden whole point of gear boy is his abilities but whatever let's discard it!
It's only 110% dmg buff
Doesn't matter!
Lalalalala
150% with food stock
120% continuesly
But whatever!
I'm not even gonna argue atp
"Rem and ram gets a good ability which makes her DPS and AOE same as him for 30 seconds" 🤓
Got a lil mad
And yapped mb
so like
You're basically ignoring 120% DPS boost
That's basically saying "ywach sucks (I won't count the Starfall ability cuz yeah)"
-# damn
I lowk made a mountain mb
-# 
Basically gear boy > Rem and Ram
i never said anything about sol
i mean, like majority of people said
i prefer the stun + debuff immunity on rem and the cheap full aoe
its helpful for the early waves
sin strives to be a pure dps, but that role gets overshadowed by other mythicals
he has no stun or debuff immunity so he can effectively lose that dps to stun/debuffs, rem is also a pretty good early wave boss killer for modes like champion, i just prefer rem over sin
Cheap full AOE no dps
Dawg
Even with 30%
She can't reach his dps
?
Early bosses
They stun once or twice and die
she'll get stunned once
Both will
There won't be second for gear boy
Will be for rr
think it like that
Sin strives to be a cheap dps option
No it's not mid
he's good
I'll prove y'all tmew
Tmrw
At max 8.2k
I didn't calculate that
8.1k*
With Lfelt 9.2k
It’s pretty comparable to rem iirc, better than hers, but I might be wrong
I'm not saying he's better than vergil
So according to wiki
Rem and ram has 3.4k DPS
I calculated with the buffs from her ability
Wait nvm
4.3k DPS
I'll brb for gear boy
He’s not a bad unit by any means
Very solid unit for newer players to pull on if they can get to that point in story, fulfills the same kinda niche rem has with the only caveat being that she was cheap with a full aoe option, but didn’t end on it. Sin doesn’t get that
I think he's good for pvp as well no?
55k monarch with ability
I mean he doesn’t do anything special for PvP
also hella cheap to max
No no
cheap
Good dps
Farm for enemy
Tbh being cheap isn’t as much of a strong point in PvP
ants with modifiers
Because of the economy system
tbh you don't even need all that in pvp
Can you elaborate
all you gotta do is bring lfelft slow stun medea 2 farms build up eco till wave 20 and send em out
legit it's so shit this pvp system
She gets banned every match
they both get banned
mine ain't
What sean said
Economy doesn't increase the money you gain per wave right
that's literally what it is
no 
Then someone else told me it doesn't
That's why spam sending ants is so important
that's the meaning of "economy"
But you also give your opponent hella yen for kills too so it's not all just strictly benefit
it does
Yeah but still long term benefit
but im ngl pvp gives to much money by the time its like 15 minutes in the match you almost 100k
not really long term since you'll be spending economy to use modifiers
Like few waves
Ants give like 50-70 money right
all you need is overshield/resilient regen and absorptions depends on what they have
the rest is fast
I mean this is true but if you are above gold its always like that
what if they send an ant at that point
50 until wave 15 and then after that it's 25 each
resilient is op
bring Lucy or Medea if possible
Correct. But that's why sends are important lol
u can guarantee a win with resilient if they are only using monarch yhwach or all full aoe
at some point they stop taking damage
thats why those two are perma bans lol
yup
just like white ants in ant dungeon
lucy's irrelevant in traited though
I only play traitless
why
traitless removes familiars too?
yes
damn
some familiars are locked behind an unobtainable wall
but i guess you have birb
tbf stats aren't much difference either
They are incredibly easy to get very close to one another
Like obviously from D to Z is a huge jump, but people aren't going around with D stats
bruh
monarch yamamoto you don't even have to ban it
just let them spam skeletons then use absorption and overshield
Oh right, Lucy too
They're the only units I know rn that specifically want a D stat
yup
Esdeath for perfect freeze in cone aoe
But it relies on not having an SPA trait though, doesn't it?
Kid Buu can benefit from having D stat SPA as well.
2nd passive is a follow up attack that has a 5 second local cooldown
Yeah but you’d want marksman on her same as Luce
guys yall think it is possible to do ex tsage without monarch
Probably, honestly
4 good players yes
4 average nah
Maybe vsjw's steel + Giselle buff
Should be able to take down the boss, and for the early wave the rise ability should also handle it
With some supp/sub dps
No monarch he said
Yeah
rises would probably have 10k hp
you need about 4-7 rises to handle 1 enemy at the right side
actually nvm
Traitless absolutely not, but no monarch only is probably doable
?Their HP scale with the ennemy's hp
With lots of vsjw possible ig
Yeah
Enemies got 100k HP dawg not millions
they take like 10% 20%?
also kind of depends on rng
sometimes he takes away ur dmg units and then you'll have a hard time killing him
sometimes he yoinks all my farms and not my monarchs
No monarch isn't doable
At least not now
Even 99 percent of the games monarchs can't solo
Who said anything about solo
sybau
What units would you use then
Come up with a team no monarchs and I'll agree with you
Must be able to 1 player solo the stage
I'm talking about a team
Not solo
4 player
Bro
Why do you keep going from 4 players to 1 player repeatedly
@arctic vessel is it a better idea to build defense or straight up go for a cheap enemy if your opponent is still farming/newly finished farming or has bad defense
My pvp strat was to farm economy until wave 15 with red ants
yes its good to see the devs adding the games/anime they fancy once in a while and av is prolly the first td to add anime games in their game i really like the update ngl
Were not on the same topic then
you're the one that keeps getting out of the topic
same topic man
were talking about a team no monarchs that can do the ex stage
Then you change the topic for some reason and say you can't do it solo
cuz you can't
Rage bait atp 🥀
Hes not saying you can lol
His point is that 4 people without monarchs can do it, even if its difficult
Obviously you cant solo it with no monarchs, next youre gonna tell me every 60 seconds in africa a minute passes
Shocker
What
He is rage baiting

