Odyssey intensity "pity"

[sharp kelp]

Basically how it would work is that reaching x amount of intensity (past 2000) would allow you to guarantee x amount of the desired shard from your pulls when you do eventually cash out. this would incentivize going to higher intensities since the current best method after milestones is just going to 1k and cashing out. I could see this being too similar to milestones but it would fix the problem with doing runs and getting almost none of the shards you want

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[sharp kelp]

Odyssey intensity "pity"

[sharp kelp]

b

[sharp kelp]

b

[sharp kelp]

b

[brittle veldt]

No

The entire idea was to make people not feel like they have to minmax their runs just to grind a "specific shard" or something

You get them as you get them, if you want efficiency, you go to 1k

[finite oriole]

2nd++ time I get nothing but corruption shards
Honestly just make the loot not RNG, it's already RNG getting the familiar, RNG rolling good stats and element stats on it, RNG to get a good corruption, and RNG for that corruption to be good

There's legitimately no reason for the rewards to be this sucky

Though pity isn't really needed, they just have to make Corruption Shards not be at a 60% chance
Lower it to 1-5% at best, they are completely useless

[dim vine]

what is even the point of going above 1k in this case is my question

[brittle veldt]

[dim vine]

its fair to say that it shouldn't be required to go above 1k

[brittle veldt]

If you want, really

[dim vine]

since that basically requires monarchs

but like there's literally NONE

[brittle veldt]

I mean yeah

[dim vine]

you're legit stabbing yourself in the foot by playing more

that just seems stupid to say even

[brittle veldt]

I was kinda trying to plan around the 1k intensity benchmark

[finite oriole]

Not really?
You can do it with just 1 unit, just do 4-6 on 0 intensity stages and you're good to go

[brittle veldt]

Also how are you playing for an hour and getting only 7 pulls 😭

[dim vine]

idk if you're gonna get to 2k with ts

i sometimes fail the 2k intensity room if i get unlucky enough with 4 monarchs

[finite oriole]

I died, Uryu decided that the mohato clone is not a boss, not the strongest, not the weakest, nothing, so i had no way to target but "Closest"...

[brittle veldt]

1k's really only bad if you don't have your stun immune units and/or get shafted on a stage

[dim vine]

1k is chill

2k+ is not

[brittle veldt]

Yeah

[dim vine]

which is why i think it makes sense for it to be atleast 10% more rewarding

[brittle veldt]

Kinda the point with the exponential scaling

But modifier income is a lot lower than it was in limitless

[dim vine]

not only do i have to kinda lock in for 2k+, you need to get good rng, have insane units, yada yada

so it being fully pointless doesnt sit well with me

[brittle veldt]

I don't want to force people to go for long runs just to be efficient for their farming

[finite oriole]

The only two ways to get high intensity both require way more effort, yet both are unrewarding
(grinding on lower intensity or doing big brain strats)

[brittle veldt]

Because people will want to minmax their farming

And going to 1k and cashing out is good enough for that

[dim vine]

its legit ONLY the sweats doing ts

who else is going for birbs

[finite oriole]

It should at least be equal though, besides, get further = get more rewards just makes sense

[dim vine]

going to 1k should be a solid strat, but people who can go to say 3k should maybe get like atleast 10% more rewards

[finite oriole]

thats why original paragon was actually good in terms of rewards

once you got to a high enough paragon, the gems were actually worth your effort, but with odyssey its the opposite

[brittle veldt]

Originally

I wanted to make it so that every 1k intensity gave you +1 pull per room clear

I dunno why that never made it in

[dim vine]

original paragon was kinda too insane but yeah atleast it was semi worth going to even crazy high floors

[finite oriole]

That would have been pretty nice for my 8 hour run

[dim vine]

aw hell nah

[dim vine]

that would have been nice

[brittle veldt]

That's the only way I can really see longer runs being more rewarding

[dim vine]

issue with odyssey rn is that its a mode that you only really should bother with if you're trying to fully minmax your account, and even from that point its very very rng based, tedious and monotonous past your 2nd run

[brittle veldt]

But the problem is that you get to a point where you assemble the exodia modifiers and can just breeze through 3k intensity and are now farming pulls faster than intensity would for no real input beyond paying attention and continuing to go

[brittle veldt]

That's kinda the entire design point behind odyssey though

It's optional content for the purposes of minmaxing familiars

[dim vine]

all fun and games till you get a dd ls3 stage at 3k intensity

[dim vine]

i mean

no offense but

a gamemode that only appeals to like 1% of the playerbase and is still not liked by those people?

[brittle veldt]

[dim vine]

1% may even be more generous to how big the sweat commuinity is

[finite oriole]

I'd like to see another person who almost got to 10 hours on Odyssey like me for sure...
Like come on, at that point you dedicated your whole day to it, make it rewarding

[dim vine]

like i got my 3 100+ dark spirits and 3 good birbs and i never ever wanna touch this mode again

everytime i saw the key of babylon appear in shop i genuinely wanted to wake the entire neighbourhood up

[finite oriole]

Oh actually

[finite oriole]

hear me out

I know that Intensity 0 and -100 were put in so even weaker players can at least do the weekly rewards

But of course, this means that we can't really increase rewards too much at higher intensities since people could, like you said, stop at a certain intensity and continue farming power endlessly

Which is why I'd say, above the weekly reward intensity threshold, you should only be offered cards if you pick +100 or more

[brittle veldt]

Removing the options at a certain point, you think?

[finite oriole]

Yes precisely

[brittle veldt]

That could work

[finite oriole]

While it would make it more RNG, it would remove making it super meta

[brittle veldt]

Kinda like a "You're going off the deep end now" kinda thing

[finite oriole]

Yea, taking the safety wheel off

[brittle veldt]

There's no going back to 0/-100

If you got that far anyways

I think if I made it so that every 1k intensity gave +1 pull

[dim vine]

yeah

[brittle veldt]

Then the cutoff point would be reaching 3k

Because if you hit 2k and just keep picking 0, you're still farming about as efficiently as going to 1k and quitting

So it's not a big deal

but once you'd hit 3k, you'd be earning a lot of pulls but could die at a moment's notice if you get unlucky

[finite oriole]

Yessssss hohoho

[dim vine]

also why not just make the shop like reset every stage or smth

is that too much

[brittle veldt]

that's actually one of the things I have planned

I have a whole list of things I still wanna get changed

[dim vine]

alr

is buffing basically every mythic modifier in that list 😭

[brittle veldt]

in all fairness, at first I thought having shop refresh every stage was gonna be way too strong

[finite oriole]

Does that mean every floor or like, every time the stage changes? (mb maybe its called "act" in this game)

[brittle veldt]

But then I realized that you get FUCKED on your "modifier:intensity" ratio that limitless already had

[dim vine]

yeah

[dim vine]

mhm

especially because most modifiers are obsolete

[brittle veldt]

I dunno if you noticed anything about the sneak but

Some of them are alright

[finite oriole]

A cutscene-less shop with shops resetting every floor, holy shit that would be so nice...

[brittle veldt]

But a couple of them are hot dogshit

[dim vine]

some are pretty absurd

[brittle veldt]

Golden Age is just golden age

Honestly might nerf it a bit

[dim vine]

delicate flower is like better than every mythic other than unstoppable force imo

[brittle veldt]

Thinking I might axe the cost decrease in half and give the other half to limit break

[dim vine]

buff all the tomes also!!

[brittle veldt]

Delicate flower is absurd but new painful gains is really strong too if you can actually manipulate it

Tome buffs are on the list too

[dim vine]

thank you

[brittle veldt]

I wanna make them scale with intensity

[dim vine]

is medusa ability getting changed or nah

[finite oriole]

Actually can you make it so Tomes are a separate item
So you don't feel like you lost out on a Modifier card whenever you get one?
1 Tome per shop..!

[dim vine]

i think the gilg key could maybe be an insta kill on the dd ls3 statues and mahito in shibuya maybe?

[brittle veldt]

[finite oriole]

Should I turn this into a post? Since you're already thinking of it, only thing we would achieve by making a post is get the community's opinion, since you're already planting the seed in the devs minds anyway

[brittle veldt]

Maybe

I mean I'm already adding stuff to the list

Some of it is just hypothetical changes

But a lot also isn't priority since they're working on 6.0 still

[finite oriole]

Hmm makes sense
I guess I'll make one, since I could add stuff like this too

[brittle veldt]

I think if you want to, there's no harm in making a thread for it.
But I get a feeling that other people joining in might offer some terrible ideas too

[finite oriole]

Inevitable lmao
Wouldn't be called gems if they were more common than dirt

[wind mulch]

am I the only here who thinks pity makes no sense? I mean what's wrong with switching up the rates?

and hypnotically lets say they do decide to add pity, what's stopping them from making it achievable through the higher floors to get this so-called pity?

[brittle veldt]

I mean, corruptions are 20%, and the other two shards are 15%

[wind mulch]

will pvp include the new shards?

[brittle veldt]

Can't say

[finite oriole]

I can't be this unluckyyyy
Over 20-30 corr shards from one of my longest runs, with only about 7-8 elemental and phoenix shards

[elfin crane]

lets be real this game isnt adding any kind of actual pity

[brittle veldt]

This is your penance for reminding us of the challenge cap

[finite oriole]

TRUE

[dim vine]

sitting at 60 corruption shards rn

just randomly rolling on padorus i have from 2 months ago at this point

[finite oriole]

Same I'm on 64 right now

Its taken me 40+ Cid Raid runs to get a Birb, so needless to say I'm never gonna run out of Corruption Shards, ever

[wind mulch]

@brittle veldt Can you tell the devs to fix limit break?

[brittle veldt]

I’ve been waiting on it too

Tried fixing it once