Revert hourly challenge limit

[granite barn]

it makes u think tf they do if updates take weeks and they put out bugged stuff

[solar portal]

Fuck that I want an Elemental Reactions rework

[late jolt]

not to mention no dev ever explained energy drain until basically 5.5 came out

[eager ridge]

alot of things need reworks in this game...

[late jolt]

cause tyhe whole community thought it applied to status ailment immunity

[cedar yarrow]

Qols update and bug fixes update that took 3 weeks/ 1 month had more bugs than ever

[eager ridge]

they didint even know themselves 💔

[granite barn]

yea we love lies too like 24challs daily cap and i can only do 12 cause they capped rrs and not chall tries 😭

[late jolt]

its 16 too

[cedar yarrow]

Still to this day i have no idea what intensity does on Odyssey, There are no explanations or something, the only way is try it urself and lose time to acknowledge about it

[granite barn]

yea another shadow change without announcement such a W professional game handling

[late jolt]

and bro the devs literally always talking about av, anime reborn or als its cringe and crazy

[desert pollen]

there are explanations

[granite barn]

atp just remove announcements if theres no communication with the devs anyway

[cedar yarrow]

Where ? (slowmode cd starting )

[eager ridge]

update log im pre sure

[dawn ledge]

cause ailment also meant dmg debuff tbh no wonder why they had to reword it

[granite barn]

lets be real them devs as cringe as it gets ngl

[lament mauve]

Just go to the questions channel and !!odyssey

[cedar yarrow]

one have to read the update log to acknowledge about it lol, why isnt it explained in game

[eager ridge]

thats fair

[late jolt]

and i dont recall the fact that spark units were immune anywhere in the update log for 5.0, but i could be wrong

[desert pollen]

h
ttps://docs.google.com/document/d/16yEvKAO8bMZieRgEVVGEJ0hpao31S1lZPeoyurpgih0/edit?tab=t.0

REMOVE space

[lament mauve]

Are the update logs not in the mailbox?

[dawn ledge]

always immune

[late jolt]

watch bro, sjw will be nerfed in the next month and it will be bc unknown units had a bug that was supposed to be fixed 3 updates ago that made them immune to debuffs

[granite barn]

atp toilet td would be a better experience

[cedar yarrow]

What if the game get 3 updates and the olds update logs get lost? it should just be explained in the odyssey gamemode

[tulip island]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[late jolt]

its not about the effect of the change

[dawn ledge]

woah we alr cleared it no way

[granite barn]

nah lets just yap abt other anime tds in announcements 🔥🔥🔥

[tulip island]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[granite barn]

its not abt the change but abt how was it implemented and presented to the community

[late jolt]

i doubt als even care they rake in enough money from premium payouts alone from people being on the game 24/7

[cedar yarrow]

They talk about grow a garden in sub announcement and not about the state of the challenges being so absurd

[lament mauve]

If you afk farm winter with mvp you get around the same numbers as the pre nerf

[granite barn]

yeah and a shitload of bundles etc

[cedar yarrow]

We can stop talking already, 5 minute slowmode is coming

[desert pollen]

so its the devs fault that u dont want to take ur time in looking

[late jolt]

cuz their bundles have a fair price tag and people like the fact that they get weekly updates with a few bugs but from what I know bugs that dont disrupt the gameplay as much as they do in av

[dawn ledge]

i wonder which dev put this slowmode 🤔

[granite barn]

when i played als the bugs were way worse idk abt now tbh

[cedar yarrow]

Yeah that role is so made for you, i have no wonders why they gave you it, ragebaiting is ur style of life

[late jolt]

they worked on them and improved them im pretty sure and learned from them, and actually communicated about it

[granite barn]

sad to see how the devs handle av cause playing experience was much better than als and lets be real als is fugly

[cedar yarrow]

Als decreased the numbers of reroll u could grind from infinite saying it wasnt intended to be like that, pinged everyone about it , and gave a code for it

[late jolt]

its crazy how its been 48 hours, others have complained about it too but I still cant get rrs from half hourly challenges, and the devs are talking about shit like grow a garden, and focused on pvp when these modes we got rn are broken

[granite barn]

yeah i can feel u grinding rrs been buggy as hell for me since that shadow change its horrendous

[late jolt]

literally its so demotivating and im so close to hitting monarch pity

[granite barn]

wish u luck bro i just wish they would finally break the silence

[desert pollen]

challenges isnt broken

[late jolt]

It literally is, me and countless others arent getting rerolls a whole 48 hours 2 days after we got our last rerolls from the challenge?

[cedar yarrow]

Challenge is broken, stop glazing like crazy, the system is just broken, just put global timers, u cant even know when u can grind again, when timer resets, how many rerolls ur missing, its all no sense

[muted wren]

in what sense bc theyre pretty broken rr wise

[late jolt]

not getting a reward that is detailed that you are entitled to when you complete that challenge, when the cap is 24h after that challenge, is a game breaking bug plain and simple

[desert pollen]

read this

[granite barn]

tbh even not letting us join rr challenge with message cap reached would be helpful asf devs r just lazy with the implementation

[cedar yarrow]

Do u think ita a well done system?

[late jolt]

Its been 48 hours though, so that doesnt matter cause its been way past the 24 hours detailed by pyseph lol, in theory I should have been able to have gotten all 16 of my challenges done by now

[granite barn]

like whats the point of letting a player join if he cant get any its just done very badly

[desert pollen]

obviously, it's worse his way but it proves that the system is not bugged rn
just need some changes

[late jolt]

Either this or make it a global cooldown that resets with bounty

Also I think I might have some idea of whats actually bugged and its hilarious if its real

[granite barn]

imo both so u can know when u reached the cap without wasting ur time, so simple yet not implemented astonishing

[late jolt]

^ I think when you do a challenge even after the cap is in place, it extends your cooldown timer and breaks it

[granite barn]

its true

[lost ginkgo]

you're kidding me
why is there a minute slowmode

[muted wren]

that sucks

[cedar yarrow]

nah it cant be like that easy to broke it

[late jolt]

Its bugged like crazy it wouldnt surprise me if that was the cause of it lol, so I wanna see if i dont do any challenges in 24h will it work or not

[granite barn]

nope i tested it my cap today was delayed by an hour since my daily chall reset and i did 2 no rr runs

[lost ginkgo]

amazing

[late jolt]

Yeah LOL this game is really the cream of the crop, a bug that has persisted for a while they say

[dawn ledge]

lower cooldown

[granite barn]

we better get a decent code compensation ngl

[cedar yarrow]

i think u dont know av devs

[late jolt]

How about 5 stat chips and 500 gems? 😃
And a new bundle cosmetic for the guilty gear character!!! Yay

[analog yew]

why

[granite barn]

iknow them im just a bit delusional yk cause this whole situation is horrendous

[dawn ledge]

yall be raising shit whenever we are talking about the fucking challenge system rn bro

[late jolt]

i aint one of those crazy mfs begging for a 200 rr code but it should be double digits atleast if they made one, I have already lost out on 64 rrs to this

[analog yew]

i only raised it when chat turned into complaints w/o any feedback

[granite barn]

nah itll be min 1 max 5 rrs + extra gems

[late jolt]

There is plenty of feedback, the system is bugged as people arent having their caps reset after 24h, for me 2 days its been.

[granite barn]

we literally talked abt global timer reset + not letting a player join when he maxes out his cap or a message when u start the challenge how many can u still do

[slender badger]

To be honest rn, i was very upset at the nerf but it’s a good thing. While i can see valid takes from both sides, they don’t want monarchs to be handed out like candy and i can at least appreciate the monarchs i’ve gotten so far. Plus i can use my pc for other games now lmao

[late jolt]

its not rlly about the numbers and the quantity of rrs being nerfed its how buggy its made challenges, and the lack of communication, people got over the gutting of rrs really quickly

[granite barn]

the nerf isnt the issue itself its the way of the implementation and handling the situation

[cedar yarrow]

still not a good system, so buggy, we dont know when challenge resets

[dawn ledge]

people arent mad about the nerf anymore they are mad that they cant do challenges with this shitty system lol

[slender badger]

This is true, but people have been saying it’s not resting so i cba to even play rn

@analog yew lower cd

thx

[late jolt]

It hasnt reset for me in. 2 days

so yeah

[slender badger]

Testers have probably reported by now

[late jolt]

i wouldnt bother trying to do it

hopefully

[slender badger]

just gotta wait til the next batch of fixes

[granite barn]

we need better communication not devs going ghost mode tho

[late jolt]

idk how this even passed testing though

thats my worry lmao

[cedar yarrow]

losing so many rerolls

[granite barn]

it couldve been a stage even to let ppl suggest a way to implement this and done during the week not the weekend

[slender badger]

that’s also true, they waited for a good while until they wanted to say smth

[late jolt]

this ^ id rather them have come out and said it straight “we need more money from bundles so rr farming getting a nerf” i would have understood that better than silence

[dawn ledge]

cause they didnt test it

[cedar yarrow]

only cuz general was going crazy

not cuz they wanted to say something

[slender badger]

let’s hope 6.0 will cook and make us all forget about this

[late jolt]

hopefully

[dawn ledge]

this shit got added randomly

[slender badger]

it would’ve cooled off the same way it did a few hours / days later, delaying it makes it seem like they wanted to hide it

[cedar yarrow]

at the end of the day we all talking here about the future of the game, i only hope the better for it, but this shi they doing ghosting us is wild

[slender badger]

not even hide it, cause testers were already confirming it

[slender badger]

yeah nah they for sure have to work on communication, can’t be AA 2.0

[granite barn]

they just forgot the game can thrive cause ppl play it and didnt communicate with their own community even a lil bit

[slender badger]

Moving forward let’s hope that’ll change, but they probably had their reasons as to why they hid waited hopefully

[granite barn]

game exists thanks to both devs and players and the way they handle that rn is just unprofessional and disrespectful

[slender badger]

if we get a sneak today i’ll forget about everything

[cedar yarrow]

nahh its not a sneak to resolve everything

[granite barn]

apology and explanation could only fix it tbh

[late jolt]

guilty gear units will be juiced af btw, they are all gonna be meta i just know that they will cause its that niche

[slender badger]

😭 😭

[cedar yarrow]

owner is a big fan of it

so ye

[dawn ledge]

a code with 3 super stat chips and 500 gems would suffice amirite

[late jolt]

watch every unit be crept besides vsjw

yeah

[lament mauve]

And yhwach 😡

[cedar yarrow]

even if they would be good i wont spin

[slender badger]

People gonna move on and play the game either way ngl

[cedar yarrow]

i dont even know about those characters

[late jolt]

yeah ive grinded a full month for yhwach monarch pity and even now im realising its over

[slender badger]

let’s hope they aren’t trying to become ALS

[granite barn]

true and its sad ngl

[late jolt]

nah i dont mean like a substantial power creep

[lament mauve]

Feel like that makes it more exciting

[safe otter]

This is me if they ever add mid rimuru

[granite barn]

powercreep on that game is disgusting new upd npcs with trillions of hp lmao

[cedar yarrow]

why u getting mad

[late jolt]

just that the new units will be alot better than we got in 5.0 or 5.5 (excluding the bp units)

[cedar yarrow]

i just said i dont know about it

and i wont spin

its for people like you if they raise the cd on this chat

[slender badger]

😭 😭 i saw someone live streaming ALS and the characters were doing like 700m

[cedar yarrow]

yk

[safe otter]

Mad? I said the same thing you did about the guilty gear units

How is it any different

[granite barn]

yeah i dropped it cause of that ngl

[cedar yarrow]

where did i say its mid?

[dawn ledge]

to cid is a fraud though

[cedar yarrow]

i said i dont know about it

[late jolt]

als creep is that bad they need to buff old units cause they are running out of animes

[dawn ledge]

unlike rimuru

lol

[slender badger]

i’m gonna miss my monarchs when they get out dated

[cedar yarrow]

people get mad if u dont know about everything existing in this world

[safe otter]

Watch yo tone when talking about my goat

[slender badger]

fair enough

[granite barn]

yo anyones skin changed to default roblox in vanguards i just hopped on and im yellow with blue shirt lmao

[granite barn]

me with my rengoku 😔

[dawn ledge]

fraud 💔

[late jolt]

bro tbh a monarch can be used basically forever on av monarch gojo is still somewhat good for me, i dont use him cause ive upgraded but even after being a 1.0 unit hes still very good at 24k dps full aoe with a timestop

[slender badger]

every unit from that update is horrible now

[late jolt]

hes just not the best anymore but that is fine we need a reason to grind ig

[safe otter]

He literally rugpulled the euro how is he a fraud

[granite barn]

yeah and it sucks cause i really liked the characters ngl

[cedar yarrow]

Powercrept is still a thing on av tho

[late jolt]

cid is good but hes not yhwach,vsjw,dante,virgil good lol

[dawn ledge]

he loses an aura battle against piccolo though

[late jolt]

true true its unavoidable tbh

[slender badger]

i feel like the monarchs i have won’t be outdated too easily, made sure to only spin on meta

[granite barn]

i still havent grinded cid i may have to start finally

[late jolt]

you cant make every unit basically the same then people stop playing to get new units

[safe otter]

Piccolo is on fraud watch

He needs to do something soon

[slender badger]

sukuna double evo soon bro don’t worry 🙏

[dawn ledge]

yama alr outdated

[cedar yarrow]

if u did the same thing but on update 1.0/1.5 ur now cooked

[dawn ledge]

💔

[granite barn]

damn bro how many rrs u had

[cedar yarrow]

ye yama is outdated

and he was 4.0

[slender badger]

i wouldn’t say outdated but i never use him, he’s top of sub meta rn

[late jolt]

nah those are very good i have aizen vsjw yamamoto and gogeta too about to get yhwach

[slender badger]

very true

[dawn ledge]

he got his ass nerfed for no reason with the new modifiers lmao

[late jolt]

none of those will be outdated and the first that will be might be aizen or goku who knows

yamamoto i mean not aizen

[cedar yarrow]

Poor my akaza monarch

[slender badger]

for all of these i’ve maybe used like 3k which is probably a very high estimate

[granite barn]

god damn ur lucky

[slender badger]

what was the nerf?

[late jolt]

the summons modifier

[dawn ledge]

his summons dont work against challenger enemies

[late jolt]

the ones that make summons heal the enemy

[safe otter]

Even if they didnt add the new enemies yama would still be ass

[slender badger]

ngl hopefully they add more ways to get rrs , like content scaling to difficulty for more rewards

[granite barn]

i keep trying on my shiny saber cause its my first useful shiny myth

[slender badger]

nah wtf , what map are challenger enemies in?

[late jolt]

but yamamoto is still solid, you just need monarch on him tho but hes not that great just a regular meta unit'

[dawn ledge]

choi came in 1 update later and knocked off yama from meta lol

[safe otter]

"Not that great" " meta unit"

I swear meta has lost all meaning

[dawn ledge]

crazy how he was considered the best unit during breach lmfao

[granite barn]

true i only have 4 monarchs rn

[safe otter]

If hes not among the best hes not meta

[late jolt]

some of the meta units are not that crazy

[slender badger]

man 💔

[cedar yarrow]

there are 20+ meta units btw

[late jolt]

buu is bottom of the meta for example

[safe otter]

Then theyre not fucking meta

[late jolt]

on the wiki atleast

[safe otter]

Do you know what meta means

[slender badger]

kinda like what this guy said

[cedar yarrow]

this doesnt mean shit, there are meta units which are not that much strong

[late jolt]

yeah units/characters that are very effective and good at all modes, but that necessarily doesnt mean they are crazy op

[cedar yarrow]

Saber is still meta

[granite barn]

ong i think they have wrong approach rn

[safe otter]

Are you stupid. Meta means most effective tactic available

[cedar yarrow]

is she that much good anymore?

[late jolt]

meta units dont need to be useable on every mode

[safe otter]

If a unit isnt the most effective then its not meta

[late jolt]

by that definition only the top 5 units rn are meta

the most effective tactic varies

[safe otter]

Yes

There shouldn't be 20 meta units

[slender badger]

cause once you’ve completed all content , there’s like 3 viable ways to get rrs. boss rush, challenge, and shops

[safe otter]

Defeats the entire point

[cedar yarrow]

What does this have to do? they are meta in anime vanguard tierlist but still a bit outdated and not that good, Saber is still meta, is she that good ? No, there are better units

[late jolt]

there should be because you can use any 20 of those units effectively

[slender badger]

different units have different uses

[late jolt]

for example

[safe otter]

What use does yama have

[cedar yarrow]

Then go talk to who made the av wiki tierlist

[safe otter]

Name a single case where he is the most effective tactic available

[late jolt]

dps + summons on all maps beside martial#

[safe otter]

Aka meta

[late jolt]

hes really good in dungeons

lol

[safe otter]

???

[slender badger]

We arguing over meta units bro

😭

[late jolt]

meta for dungeons

[safe otter]

Are you saying yama is the best dps ?

[autumn flint]

But not top 5 units to use so it’s technically not meta

[slender badger]

true

[late jolt]

No?

[safe otter]

The best dps for dungeons?

[granite barn]

anything with monarch can be usable tbh unless someone aims for lbs

[late jolt]

Still no?? im saying hes really good for dungeons

meta

[autumn flint]

No? Meta for dungeons is stage buffed units

[slender badger]

exactly , a monarch is a monarch

[dawn ledge]

yo yama still good but he aint meta nor the best burn unit rn though

[cedar yarrow]

only cuz he's dumb and think that meta definition is op asf for everything lol

[autumn flint]

Good not meta

[late jolt]

He is meta

[slender badger]

only unit that applies for that is vsjw

[late jolt]

meta isnt just the best

[safe otter]

Yes thats literally what meta means

[late jolt]

what are you two smoking

[cedar yarrow]

exactly

[dawn ledge]

hes not the best burn unit rn though

[cedar yarrow]

Its not our fault, go talk to who made the av wiki and say ts to him

[granite barn]

goat

[autumn flint]

Most effective tactic, that means it has to be top 5 units to use in a certain situation

Which Yama is not

[mortal wedge]

usable

[safe otter]

Is it the shepards fault that the sheep follow?

[late jolt]

yeah but still meta its not like yamamoto is not effective at clearing the majority of the content in the game

[safe otter]

Or should the sheep be held accountable

[dawn ledge]

if u want burn use choi, if you want summons use sjw

[late jolt]

that is not what meta is..

not in av

[dawn ledge]

so he aint meta

[cedar yarrow]

how so ? he just said that the unit is meta, in this game meta doesnt mean broken asf for everything, every meta units have the function

[late jolt]

meta is just a unit being effective bro

[analog yew]

@warped pendant

[cedar yarrow]

in AV

[granite barn]

whole meta stuff is always weird its a tier list but obv usage of each unit would be different in every mode

[autumn flint]

Cuz the tl makers don’t know English

[late jolt]

its really not this deep

[safe otter]

??? A terms fucking meaning doesnt change between games

[late jolt]

its an expression on a game LOL

it doesnt need a literal black and white meaning

[safe otter]

But it does have one

[late jolt]

people use the word meta liberally, others use it strictly

[cedar yarrow]

its true tho, in av meta doesnt mean broken asf bro

[slender badger]

we about to get another cd in this thread smh

[safe otter]

Actual brain damage here

[cedar yarrow]

otherwise there wont be 20+ meta units

[solar portal]

Meta this Meta that

[safe otter]

Follow the shepard

[solar portal]

We should delete all units

We don’t need em

At All

[late jolt]

Fr...

[solar portal]

Get rid of challeneges

Story

Raids

[cedar yarrow]

Its alright we dont need fucking life lessons talking about a lego game

[solar portal]

Rifts

[cedar yarrow]

just let it be like that

[late jolt]

Dont even bother tbh his only argument is the definition of the word meta

[cedar yarrow]

if they decided that its like that ur noone to say otherwise

[mortal wedge]

actually delete the whole game and make it sold rng but with trait res

[late jolt]

No application to the game at all

[cedar yarrow]

he just came in to rage bait 2 times

[safe otter]

??

[cedar yarrow]

and we still falling for it

[late jolt]

Real

[solar portal]

Ngl idek what yall talking about

[cedar yarrow]

We are just here talking about the official av tierlist, if u dont like it we dont give a shit

[safe otter]

So you just said that I dont have a right to speak against a tierlist?

Are you stupid

[dawn ledge]

but the wiki tl aint accurate rn imo

[granite barn]

yall know that the meta tier list is general its subjective for every mode and the point u are in game its pointless to have an argument over that

[dawn ledge]

theres too much metas in it

[cedar yarrow]

U dont have the right to go to people saying " if its meta it can be bad"

[late jolt]

it takes every factor into account like traits needed for the unit to be good

[safe otter]

Do you think these kids care about thay

"Its the hecking official tl bro"

[cedar yarrow]

Ye and yama is still meta even if hes not that good

[safe otter]

Read that message again

[upper cradle]

How can something be not that good and meta??

[dawn ledge]

so yama shouldnt be meta and aizen too

[lament mauve]

Its made by a lead tester? 😭

[safe otter]

Do you really think that makes sense

[cedar yarrow]

ask av devs

not me

[solar portal]

My brain is fried bro

[cedar yarrow]

Ask av devs

[dawn ledge]

theres too many meta in the tierlist for it to make sense

[cedar yarrow]

not me

[granite barn]

it takes a lot of factors virgil shouldnt be at the top cause he needs cc to excel

[safe otter]

Try to use your own brain if you have one

[solar portal]

💀 tf you mean ask devs

[lament mauve]

This is for the general player base beginner or end game

[late jolt]

If you factor in the fact that they need monarch (which I was talking about the monarch version still being decent to use this is where this shit all stemmed from) then yes both of those units arent that great

thats why the tier list on the wiki is the way it is

[lament mauve]

Aizen is meta yama isnt

[cedar yarrow]

there are 20+ Meta units on the tier list, of course some of them are not that good, but i didnt made the tierlist so

[safe otter]

Is he trolling

He has to be right

[mortal wedge]

acting like aizen doesn't have a 10 second stun and disrupt when losing lives on top of straight dps

[dawn ledge]

there should be separate tierlists for both then lol

[dense jewel]

burn doesnt break shield anymore

[solar portal]

Erm I don’t believe them devs play the game bwo

[upper cradle]

That isn't how the term meta works ...

[late jolt]

with new birb too he can crit when monarch

[lament mauve]

I mean at end game you pretty much understand the game anyway there isnt any need for a tl

[late jolt]

but hes really only meta if you have monarch

[mortal wedge]

assuming u have Z+ stats aizen is still dong 40k traitless and 30k per second with aura passive btw

[safe otter]

He looked at the tl and it said meta so it must be true bro

[solar portal]

Birb is just a subtrait atp

[mortal wedge]

yea I'm trying to get a new birb but odyssey is the most boring mode ever

[dawn ledge]

okay 👍 but tierlisf very inaccurate rn though

[mortal wedge]

I'm stuck with 20% crit chance and reduced crit dmg

[analog yew]

@warped pendant

[lament mauve]

Uh oh 😭

[dense jewel]

she isnt even outdated

[solar portal]

LOL

[late jolt]

he really is lol my aizen got a 23.3% crit chance 24.4% dmg boost

[granite barn]

true idk what ppl r on

[mortal wedge]

buy and resell for 500k dmg per attack 3 times in a cone aoe

[safe otter]

I implore you to think about it for a second if you are capable of forming thoughts. Do you think a unit can be mete if theyre not good?

[solar portal]

Damn good shit lol

[dense jewel]

they defo need to move aizen up though

[mortal wedge]

she shouldn't be in meta tho I agree w that

[dense jewel]

and lancer down

[mortal wedge]

unless we're talking infs

[cedar yarrow]

confronting other meta there , she is not bad, but confronting other characters there she isnt the best, a guy said if a character isnt the best it cant be meta

[lament mauve]

Saber?

[late jolt]

birbs actually better than traits im not even gonna lie its a lucrative grind

[granite barn]

not really he relies hardly on monarch to excel

[lament mauve]

Shes not used in infinite

[dawn ledge]

same with ichigo he should just be raid meta lmak

[upper cradle]

Can we talk about how rem and ram is still meta

[mortal wedge]

ichigo with ethereal is insane in infs tho

[late jolt]

with monarch aizen has top 5 potential, without hes not that good

[granite barn]

but lets be real that tier list is just a blue print for begginers

[cunning solar]

NOOOO
MY ONLY MONARCH IS FALLING OFF
@eager ridge SAVE ME

[solar portal]

It is bwo

[lament mauve]

Best cost-efficient unit in the game rn tho i agree she isnt meta

[dawn ledge]

can only use the nuke 2 times though

[safe otter]

Thats yhwach

[mortal wedge]

what is ur method for grinding phoenix shards I drained the shop

[eager ridge]

(Lancer Artoria will save us one day}

[mortal wedge]

he still gets a permanent buff

[cunning solar]

soon…. 💔

[late jolt]

i done lots of odyssey, but ima be honest my op ass birb was the first one i got and i didnt roll it i just corrupted it to corruption 3

[upper cradle]

When will cost efficiency ever been a problem
Like ngl never had a issue with that probably cause i have monarch

[late jolt]

cause the stats were so good initially like 19.3% crit chance

[dawn ledge]

true but he aint that good when you got vergil or dante in the game

[mortal wedge]

I regret spinning off a bird with 10% on everything but crit dmg bro and all the effects were positive idk what I was doing

[safe otter]

It matters in wl lb

Thats about it

[mortal wedge]

is Dante + monarch better than deadeye with the new familiar?

[late jolt]

shouldve tried corruption and grinded another birb

[dawn ledge]

what the skibidi bro

[mortal wedge]

I have NO idea what I was thinking

[dawn ledge]

depends if you 100% crit chance

with him

[cedar yarrow]

bro if i had to make the tierlist myself i wouldnt add 20+ Units on meta, but i didnt make it so

[lament mauve]

Nope you actually want lower crit chance

[mortal wedge]

I have on that gives -.6 dmg but like 20% crit dmg and 15% crit chance iirc

[safe otter]

So dont follow the tl like gospel if you dont even agree with it

[mortal wedge]

why

[cedar yarrow]

I wasnt even the one saying yama is bad but is meta lol

[mortal wedge]

oh 4th attack

[late jolt]

this is what i wanna see cause i have some pretty busted birbs, one with 23% crit increase and another with a 35.6% crit dmg increase and a 15% crit increase

[lament mauve]

His last attack animation is like 8 seconds long

[lament mauve]

Yeah

[mortal wedge]

wasn't that disproven or smth tho

like it does it regardless

[desert pollen]

ichigo is meta

[lament mauve]

Not sure

[desert pollen]

op for future gamemodes with his passives

[safe otter]

Ichigo is not meta anywhere

[mortal wedge]

yea I rlly regret spinning off that birb

[dawn ledge]

yeah only raid meta then

[late jolt]

can always get another and go for a good roll

[desert pollen]

and pvp

[dawn ledge]

not in the game yet

[cedar yarrow]

pvp isnt even out

[desert pollen]

early defense is very important in pvp

[safe otter]

I doubt there will be buffs in pvp

[desert pollen]

youtube/informations exist

[safe otter]

And ichigo isnt the best early game unir

[late jolt]

send 1 energy drain unit and dantes energy is 0 cause of his chain attack

[cedar yarrow]

gamemode will have many improvements and change before release

[safe otter]

That's probably yhwach

[late jolt]

same reason aizen will be shit

[granite barn]

meta this meta that jus have fun ong

[desert pollen]

and pyseph has talked about those?

[lament mauve]

Yeah this is where cost-efficiency is gonna play a big tole

[mortal wedge]

looking back on it why the HELL did I roll of this

[dense jewel]

ahh yes the best early game unit that costs 3200

[desert pollen]

14% is too low

[mortal wedge]

I could've just gotten another bird I'm an IDIOT

[lament mauve]

Theres probably gonna be some ban unit system

[late jolt]

this shouldve been corrupted bro to gry get corruption 3

[safe otter]

Yhwach costs 1400

[desert pollen]

but yeah I rerolled off a 19% thinking it was worth going all in

[dense jewel]

shit does he

[desert pollen]

in exchange I wasted all 30x

[lament mauve]

Gang 😭

[mortal wedge]

this was my first roll ever and I rolled off of it I didn't think it was that rare

[dense jewel]

mb i was thinking of another unit

[mortal wedge]

I have yet to see smth like this

[dense jewel]

idk which one

[lament mauve]

Esdeath

[mortal wedge]

biggest regret in AV other than wasting 1k on vergil

[dense jewel]

maybe

[mortal wedge]

just to find out Dante is better for most use cases

[dense jewel]

not wasting if its vergil

[desert pollen]

?

[dawn ledge]

nah

[desert pollen]

how is dante better than vergil LOL

vergil has way more use than dante

[mortal wedge]

from what I've seen at least

[dawn ledge]

i have ethereal vergil and i use him more than my monarch dante tbh

[mortal wedge]

I'm still gunning for monarch vergil tho

[late jolt]

i got this one lol

[desert pollen]

then idk where ur pulling ur information from

[mortal wedge]

jesus

[safe otter]

I dont think I have ever had to use my dante

[dense jewel]

than u are an idiot 😭 🙏

[safe otter]

Not a single time

[desert pollen]

eth vergil has more dps than mon dante

[late jolt]

not my best but it works the treat on deadeye dante

[desert pollen]

just run the math

[mortal wedge]

btw use any good buffs with only range debuffs on uryu he gets buffed by the range debuff

[dense jewel]

when u max it out and stuff

[eager storm]

Atp they should just keep the limit, multiply rewards by 3-4 times

Instead of forcing a minority to have less, give the majority the potential to have the same results

[dawn ledge]

just for the martial island things though

[mortal wedge]

so u can get a critting super high dmg uryu with INF range basicallly

[desert pollen]

they nerfed rerolls because pvp is going provide them

[dense jewel]

oh yeah well ofc, hes immune to energy drain

[dawn ledge]

snd worldlines

[lament mauve]

No no scratch everything

[eager storm]

Pvp is gonna be shit

Sooo

[safe otter]

Uryu already has inf range?

[dense jewel]

holy shit its not even out

[mortal wedge]

I don't know if this is true coming from u but it makes sense

[lament mauve]

Add 4x weekend 🤷‍♂️

[late jolt]

this guy has been glazing pvp

[dense jewel]

king of assumptions

[late jolt]

for the last hour

[dawn ledge]

facts

[desert pollen]

why would you add a gamemode without any rewards? does it make sense

[dawn ledge]

add new trait 0.001 chance

[eager storm]

Pvp probably wont even be fun

[mortal wedge]

yea it reduces his range what I'm saying is that u get no downsides

from having a range debuff on him

[desert pollen]

why do u think odyssey is the only gamemode to give out shards?

[lament mauve]

Its saving the av community

[safe otter]

They released odyssey so ask them

[dawn ledge]

this cid raid token rewards are shit bro

[late jolt]

i dont think it will either, but ill give them the chance

[desert pollen]

pvp will 100% have rerolls in order for us to grind them

[safe otter]

Oh

[desert pollen]

exactly?

[dense jewel]

its ranked, its prob going to have end of season rewards and cosmetics

[desert pollen]

and its the only gamemode u gotta play in order to get shards

[eager storm]

What’ll save the community is getting a JOB

[late jolt]

if they can make a gamemode like btd similar in fun then ill give them my props

[safe otter]

Odyssey rewards are ass

[desert pollen]

i'm not glazing pvp
its just yall just spreading a bunch of misinformation on it

[lament mauve]

Yeah idk what that word is this is an english speaking channel one more and im summoning a mod

[safe otter]

Half the drops are just 100 gems

[desert pollen]

pyseph has given out informations about pvp in gen 2

[dawn ledge]

the boss rush in btd are fun imo

[desert pollen]

then ur farming the wrong mode

[late jolt]

everything in that game is perfectly balanced to feel like there is no one strategy that trumps all

[desert pollen]

limitless can get u 200k gems per day

[late jolt]

you actually feel engaged trying new stuff based on what you do on btd

[desert pollen]

that's really good

[cedar yarrow]

Odyssey rewards are ass

[dawn ledge]

permaspike factory before nerf

[safe otter]

Does limitless give other rewards

[dawn ledge]

hehr

[late jolt]

whats the rrs like on it

[desert pollen]

30 rerolls

[safe otter]

Per week(

[desert pollen]

its not a gamemode designed for rerolls grinding

yeah its weekly

30 rerolls

[safe otter]

Or when do you get the rrs

[dawn ledge]

30 cause it was op

[late jolt]

how long will it take to get 30

[mortal wedge]

I doubt pvp will have shards purely due to the fact the "uryu doesn't need a buff" tester said it's odyssey only but idk if it was just a grammar thing

[late jolt]

hours wise

[dawn ledge]

not per day wtf

[desert pollen]

oh per day

yeah its daily not weekly

[eager storm]

I lowkey cant stand that person sometimes dawg

[mortal wedge]

yea but I see where he's coming from

[safe otter]

And how far do you need to get for the rrs

[lament mauve]

Why nether is a fire tester 🔥

[mortal wedge]

2k iirc to get all milestones

[desert pollen]

I mean they gotta give pvp rewards that we will 100% grind the mode itself for 💀

[eager storm]

Someone lowkey gotta stop some of the testers from talking dude

[safe otter]

If pvp isnt at least more effective than doing 30 minute rr challenges then the game is done for

[granite barn]

how long would odyssey lomitless take to get 30rrs

[mortal wedge]

msg didn't send this is what I meant

[desert pollen]

???

you can legit

set up the ma thing for odyssey

[dawn ledge]

faxi

[desert pollen]

they gave us inf income
all it needs to do is switch between loadouts??

and you ony need to cash out at floor 5

[safe otter]

Wtf they banned the ma word

Why

[desert pollen]

if you wish to play for the rewards only

[mortal wedge]

I doubt there is one. ok how the current one works and it needs them to restart in order to trigger the mapping and u can't restart in odyssey

[lament mauve]

Marco

[dawn ledge]

yo faxi alr made one i saw

[desert pollen]

yeah ur just stupid the

because there is already one

and its easy to create one

[mortal wedge]

it will prob take a while due to randomized spawns but who knows

[lament mauve]

It already exists

[desert pollen]

braindead av members

💔

how hard is it to make a thing that switch between 2 loadouts?

[lament mauve]

Are yall ignoring it on purpose 😭

[safe otter]

Random spawns exist on every stage and its not a problem

[eager storm]

Oh? I wasn’t aware, I assume because it’s probably paid or some shit? Those ones kinda fly off the radar to a lot of people

[mortal wedge]

jesus

[lament mauve]

Faxi is pretty popular tho

[dawn ledge]

no dude faxi alr made one 💔

[mortal wedge]

it's prob paid tho

[lament mauve]

Yeah

[dawn ledge]

yeah

[desert pollen]

so?

switching stories huh

went from not being possible to asking if its paid...

[dawn ledge]

its like 2nd most known one before the nonformaal

[desert pollen]

[keen kestrel]

dont bump this

[safe otter]

Bump

[eager storm]

I only knew of like, salmon

[mortal wedge]

I'm saying that's why I didn't know

I have used tt before and my friend has told me how the other ones work

[desert pollen]

don't underestimate them,

[lament mauve]

Why is this not being taken down yet 😭💔

[mortal wedge]

good idea

[desert pollen]

we are humans
we adapt and evolve overtime...

[dense jewel]

just lock it if you dont want it bumped

[safe otter]

Will wyatt come back

[desert pollen]

no, he's banned.

[eager ridge]

it don't really matter if this gets bumped or not

[safe otter]

He doesnt have perms lol hes just a qh

[keen kestrel]

only if i could

[keen kestrel]

maybe i do

how do you know ts

[dawn ledge]

if they do make a non marco able content rhat shit might be borderline impossible to do anyways lol

[safe otter]

Im gonna kick you if you keep disrespecting

[keen kestrel]

is it a threat

[safe otter]

No

Im a nice guy

[desert pollen]

yall said the same thing for cid towers but look what happened

[dawn ledge]

huh

only odyssey ngl

but i was wrong

[solar portal]

I’m
Gonna
Stomp
On
Your
Left
Toe

[paper sand]

i still can’t get rrs

[paper sand]

capped to 16 and i still get 0 3 days later 🔥🔥

i think it’s safe to say the people who already done the challenges before the changes took place are locked out? 💀

forever

imma give it one more day and not touch the game at all 💔

[safe otter]

Finally a W

[static cape]

true, new boss rush is tmrrw

[safe otter]

Is it igris

[static cape]

i think

[paper sand]

yes

[waxen timber]

capped at 16 and i didnt get rerolls for 40 hrs, fortunately i got 6 today before no longer getting rerolls ig ill wait another 40 hours W Pyseph

[waxen timber]

Pyseph moment

[native bane]

fix prexisting bugs with the rr timers ❌
shadow nerf the limit you announced less than a day ago without telling anyone ✅

very smart

[waxen timber]

delay updates and have 0 content in them because of "guys we are busy with qol" ✅
add qol while shadow nerfing f2p rerolls ❌

[primal zinc]

atp just rename it into "mini daily challenge" and make limit of 1 challenge cuz that will surely nerf f2p players, no need to call it "half-hourly" when it got limit now

[primal zinc]

.

[native bane]

go bump my suggestion 👍

idc if anything changes

i wanna at the very least understand the thought process of whatever individual who made the call to shadow nerf ts

[waxen timber]

they should just make it like bounties, you get 16 a day to play and then when ur out ur out

[primal zinc]

they was on a generational run and now they making bad(community hated) decisions AGAIN

[waxen timber]

ever since the green goblin pyseph appeared things started going downhill

[native bane]

no actually they should use their brain and either not shadow nerf something they said was at 24 like 12 hours ago or just say its 16 from the get go

[primal zinc]

they dont want people to spend 2 hours a day instead of 12 in their game

[waxen timber]

true they want the premium payouts

[primal zinc]

atp with shadow nerfs like this they wont get people playing game at all

[waxen timber]

nah people will still play the nerf only affects 10% of people

[safe otter]

I think the 24 announcement was just really bad wording

[waxen timber]

which is why you see so many people glazing and say its not bad

[native bane]

no it literally got changed from 24 to 16 on pyseph's whim

a tester literally said so

[primal zinc]

its way more

[native bane]

they're straight up hiding information and lying

[waxen timber]

if it was way more playercount would of dropped more

playercount is only down 8k

ccu

[primal zinc]

they are not banning them, why would it drop

[native bane]

it doesn't matter who this affects, what sane person decides to shadow nerf a change hours after it was made without telling the community

[waxen timber]

because you cant afk farm so ccu drops

[primal zinc]

thats normal players who quit due to lack of content

i recently came back and farmed all newest updates to 100%

theres nothing for me to do except weekly boss rush and daily famr

[cedar yarrow]

Yo ngl the challenge nerf did affect playercount

48k

[native bane]

i dont even care about the limit itself

like why are we back to making shadow changes

that will be recieved poorly

[cedar yarrow]

The fact is that is bugged asf

[native bane]

right after aa died

[native bane]

EXACTLY

THEY NERFED THE LIMIT WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE BEFORE EVEN FIXING THE CHALLENGE TIMER

😭

[cedar yarrow]

Even if 24 hours pass u cant do challenges

No challenges = nothing to grind so i just hop off

[primal zinc]

if they gonna keep doing shadow nerfs to the game,it will die

[cedar yarrow]

lol

[native bane]

yeah i lowkey hope it drops by like 10k when this shadow nerf becomes public knowledge

whoever made this call genuinely is stupid

[cedar yarrow]

It already did tho , game was 60k

[native bane]

i got nothing else tot say

[cedar yarrow]

Now its 48k

[primal zinc]

thats not 1st time they doin shadow nerfs, they nerfed igris after release, they nerfed yhwach(in both cases they said their damage was "calculation error")

[native bane]

like the least you could've done is say that you've made the change

[native bane]

igris was a straight up nerf

[primal zinc]

when it was CLEARLY not

[safe otter]

Youre insane if you think all those players left because of the challenges

[native bane]

they used that excuse on yhwach

[safe otter]

Its monday now

[cedar yarrow]

Calculation error is their way of saying we nerfing this shi

[safe otter]

People got stuff to do

[waxen timber]

the ccu drop isn't significant enough to say people are leaving from challenges its just the usual trend during the content droughts

[primal zinc]

they said "it was not supposed to deal that kind of damage on release" 💔

[cedar yarrow]

Like these player do their challenge manually lol

[waxen timber]

not yet at least

[native bane]

yeah this isn't caused by challenges

[safe otter]

So we lost 12k magnos

Huge loss for the game

[native bane]

literally is

[waxen timber]

i doubt it the ccu drop isnt significant enough its titrating off

[cedar yarrow]

other 48k u think nobody is using magnos

[safe otter]

Its literally only bad for the devs

And clearly they dont care about losing premium players

Which is a good thing

[native bane]

if you're this bummed about magnos

[safe otter]

Chasing ccu is stupid and will end up in grow a garden

[native bane]

go ask the devs why they keep making stages

that scale to them

[cedar yarrow]

grow a garden its a success u cant deny it , even if i dont like the game

[native bane]

because nobody with more than room temperature iq is going to run the jeju raid 150 times just to get choy

[safe otter]

Theyre moving away from those albeit slowly

[waxen timber]

nobody cares about that its the lack of qol

[native bane]

hell fucking no

[safe otter]

Cid is a huge upgrade over previous stages

[native bane]

yeah birb isnt though

[proper bobcat]

it get deleted?

[safe otter]

Yea sure birb

[native bane]

and cid stage 2 requires so much fucking effort if you unfortunately dont have monarchs

[safe otter]

But even then 3% birb isnt as bad as 1.5 choy and 0.75 yama was

[cedar yarrow]

Its not a fun game for me either but its a success having a world break record on roblox

[native bane]

and buying catalysts is a pain in the ass too

[waxen timber]

cid stage 2 without monarchs is miserable

[cedar yarrow]

idk if there was a game with more than 5m player

[proper bobcat]

is this the new gen chat

[native bane]

we're not getting anywhere better

[proper bobcat]

no slowdown either

[native bane]

thye just keep making grinds that are meant to be magnoed and then people cry about "oh why are people magnoing"

[waxen timber]

save the td society AAX and ASTDX

[native bane]

i fucking wonder why

💀

[cedar yarrow]

the moment they see we arguing here they will put a slowmode

[safe otter]

Why did they ban the word magno

[proper bobcat]

yup

its alr

[native bane]

im so thrilled to do 50 stages of energy drain just to have a 63% chance at getting buu

[clear tulip]

yo new general whats up

[native bane]

are you not thrilled too?

[safe otter]

Literally whats the point people come up with new ways to bypass

[proper bobcat]

yo wsp

[granite coral]

😭😭😭

[native bane]

THEY WOULDNT IF THE GRIND WASNT PURE DOGSHIT

[waxen timber]

its really not about the afk farming because if it was about that theyd make those rerolls obtainable without afk farming. It's probably about money

[granite coral]

Damn

[cedar yarrow]

Nope its not the owner of the thread, most of the times its added by testers

[native bane]

keep making it harder for people to tinytask

nothing changes for ahk

[safe otter]

No I meant the word magno being blacklisted in the server

[waxen timber]

we need to all be chill as ice so they dont add another 5 min slowmode

[native bane]

idk they're still butthurt over non formal probably

[rancid adder]

[neat patio]

[cedar yarrow]

here we go 30 MINUTES BRO INSANE
Remove the slowmode dont pmo
Lets talk just by modifying our messages lol
REMOVE TS

[proper bobcat]

remove slowmode mods dont get paid ong

[safe otter]

Remove slowmode
You dont want to mesd with me pal
There will be hell to pay when I lose my temper
This is your final warning mate
turns into sigma wolf 🐺

[waxen timber]

just make a new suggestion about adding qol to the new rr system

[olive locust]

meow!!

[clear tulip]

yo cro 30m????? come on mods😭

[daring monolith]

bump

[silver elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063646357757374475/1349706951788859422/attachment.gif

[native bane]

Looks like everyone here is making very well thought out decisions today

[olive locust]

anything non related to the topic, will be muted and warned stay kind and on topic please

[tawny wraith]

No

[undone oracle]

Bring back 12hr limit instead of 16 and we chillin aswell as annoucning when your making said changes AND make it so the attempts reset at once globaly 🗣️

[strange oak]

I agree with second one

First one however

[native bane]

literally why make it 24 in the first place if you were gonna act stupid and nerf it in like hours

ion get it

[undone oracle]

Yea lowering it even more was just a giant spit in the face

[paper sand]

atp i wouldn’t even have a problem if yk, i could actually just get rerolls and not be bugged due to this garbage shadow update that wasn’t even needed

[dawn ledge]

“it was always meant to be implemented in the game”😭😭😂

💔

[loud canopy]

bump

[dawn ledge]

is there a quota you need to meet to stay as a mod lmfao

[static cape]

[waxen timber]

My theory was right and it’s been fixed

[crisp aspen]

Glad they fixed it fast was expecting to wait atleast a week

[waxen timber]

Honestly I was expecting it by next update at the best

[static cape]

W chat?

[waxen timber]

Still nerfed and it doesn’t reset globally L

[dawn ledge]

real

was about to say

[static cape]

[late jolt]

finally

[noble onyx]

thats all they care about fixing it😭

[dense jewel]

[echo cliff]

We just gotta pray it gets turned global when challenges do as well

[noble onyx]

does this essay being wrote state anything about reverting it

[strange oak]

I hope not

But atleast for global time reset yes

[echo cliff]

You wish

[noble onyx]

the change doesnt bother me its js pointless twin