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[stone oxide]

tell me one f2p with a full team of monarchs bro 🥀

[pliant thistle]

alright

i can give u a few of my friends users rn

its not rare to have considering the amount of rerolls u get

zSvoler

even if people dont have one now

its an arising issue that'll become a big issue in the future

kinda like als but not nearly as bad

[covert galleon]

so because everyone can get the trait its bad thing?

[pliant thistle]

im saying from a perspective if u have 4 monarchs in ur team and a new upd comes out

are u gonna use the units if u dont get monarch on them aswell

[covert galleon]

you do know the units do more things than just damage right?

[pliant thistle]

yes clearly go look at 99% of av players rn

they dont

[covert galleon]

I wasn't asking the players

[pliant thistle]

bc cid is horrible since he doesnt do crazy braindead damage

[hushed yoke]

The thing is that theres not a lot of units that are bad with monarch (even ragna is decent with one, if at least we consider ragna as decent)

[gaunt hamlet]

Well i thought monarch was balanced around the fact that it was really rare, having multiple monarchs makes the already pretty easy game into a babies game.

[pliant thistle]

exactly

[late wigeon]

Double the cost

[covert galleon]

how does rarity balance a power boost? that just makes it more p2w if anything

[pliant thistle]

unique or "monarch" was always a p2w trait

thats why it worked in aa so well bc it was so p2w

it doesnt work as well in a game as f2p as av

[gaunt hamlet]

I was just echoing what i heard from a tester a while back

[covert galleon]

I fail to see how the p2w is a good thing

[pliant thistle]

exactly

thats why i made this suggestion

a p2w trait doesnt work in a f2p game

[gaunt hamlet]

I don’t really fw traits in general

[pliant thistle]

its unbalanced horrible

[pliant thistle]

I KNOW

if they'

are done right

its fine

[covert galleon]

so, monarch is too easy to get so it should be nerfed, because it would be too hard to get on new units therefore you would never use new units.

[gaunt hamlet]

Doubt they would ever change traits tho

[covert galleon]

Do you see my confusion with this whole argument?

[pliant thistle]

i see ur confusion

hold on

[hushed yoke]

Ive never seen one game that does traits right 💔

[pliant thistle]

awtd does it good

[gaunt hamlet]

Eh

Decently

[hushed yoke]

How good

[pliant thistle]

if u get sjw gogeta rom and ran all monarchh

right

[gaunt hamlet]

Wouldn’t say its good

[pliant thistle]

and the next update comes out

with good units

ur never gonna use them on ur team unless they either have monarch, or ur playing a gamemode where traits are disabled

so many youtubers have addressed their concern with this

[wraith lynx]

I like how nobody ever acknowledges that the damage part isn’t usually the problem with the trait’s strength and gogeta is the only unit that actually really benefits because he’s a one place

[pliant thistle]

but none of them care

[covert galleon]

but if monarch is as easy to get as you say, why wouldn't you just get monarchs on the new units....

[pliant thistle]

when did i say it was easy

[covert galleon]

and if its too hard to get on the new units, then that voids the first half of what you said

[pliant thistle]

its all rng based thats the point of the issue there's no telling when or what ur gonna get

and when u do get it

its horribly balanced

[gaunt hamlet]

Huh

[late wigeon]

Gogeta has the problem the worst, sure he is usable without but completely poinltess to spend 200k to max him without Monarch

[pliant thistle]

he costs 200k?????

[gaunt hamlet]

Yeah i don’t know what poster is talking about

[covert galleon]

So because you correctly invested your resources and went all in on strong units, you should be punished by us nerfing monarch to make you want to use the new units? Wouldn't you still just prefer the stronger units anyways?

[pliant thistle]

yeah i dont think ur reading this correctly

[wraith lynx]

I think the point they tried to make was “I got monarch on my last update units, and they’re gonna be better than the next update units if I don’t get monarch on the next update units, this is bad design”

[late wigeon]

Yea around there

[mellow holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069581029750358057/1340298927030800474/Shigezie0_-_1890473957272199463.gif

[pliant thistle]

kinda

except for the fact

people only go for monarch on meta units

[untold cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-wiggle-cat-kitten-wiggle-kitten-crazy-gif-902192699507662021

[pliant thistle]

with monarch they are useable for like who knows how many updates

[wraith lynx]

What if most every unit that releases is meta though….

[late wigeon]

The derailers arrived

Run!!!

[hushed yoke]

No one will be...

[covert galleon]

So what im hearing is we should have way more powercreep to incentivize people using the new units?

[wraith lynx]

Maybe they aren’t meta because of monarch but because they have strong kits…

[pliant thistle]

ur going backwars now

[wraith lynx]

That doesn’t sound backwards to me

[pliant thistle]

no its 100% the monarch

[wraith lynx]

No, no it’s not really.

[hushed yoke]

I think this suggestion would be better if it was "make units like ragna"

[pliant thistle]

if nerfing monarch means rescaling content would that not mean it would decrease the powercreep

[wraith lynx]

It’s just that monarch shines in short form content because of its cost efficiency

[covert galleon]

Since when is content designed around monarch?

[wraith lynx]

If you had unlimited yen in every stage, monarch would more often than not just be a worse outcome

[pliant thistle]

since its the main thing everyone in the game aims for

[late wigeon]

If Monarch wasnt the best and intended by design, more units would experiment with placement above 3

[wraith lynx]

I mean, even 3 placements tend to lose out to eth/deadeye now

[pliant thistle]

my point is they could have been way more creative with their trait system

[wraith lynx]

Monarch’s biggest strength is the cost efficiency

[covert galleon]

Your right, but the game launched as an AA reboot and the traits are direct reflection of that.

[wraith lynx]

Because very rarely will you have a mode that’s long enough to make use of all your placements

[pliant thistle]

i know i said that earlier

it worked in aa purely bc of how p2w it was

[wraith lynx]

Also there’s literally no way to nerf traits at this point

[pliant thistle]

is this game anywhere near as p2w

[wraith lynx]

Without causing a huge uproar in the community

[late wigeon]

Yea its far too late for that

[pliant thistle]

yes im just adressing what so many other people have wanted to

[wraith lynx]

Because people spent money and/or grinded for those traits, so if they were nerfed in any way, it would end up being a terrible move

[pliant thistle]

yeah i just wish they put more thought into it

trait systems ruin games

[wraith lynx]

Which sucks, because it’d be nice to have them a little closer together or maybe make monarch one of those placement scaling traits, because it means 1 placement units have to be very thought about because monarch just makes them absurd

[robust notch]

Please just delete ts

[wraith lynx]

Case in point, gogeta

[pliant thistle]

thats exactly what i was aiming for

[wraith lynx]

But there’s no way to rework it by now.

[pliant thistle]

kinda like sovereign in apd

[pliant thistle]

oh be quiet go to bed

[robust notch]

Buddy it's 11 pm what are you talking about

[wraith lynx]

Units are still generally good with or without monarch because of the way their kits function, anyways

[robust notch]

I ain't the one making an ass suggestion

[pliant thistle]

it aint ass its brought up a good discussion

[wraith lynx]

And the strength comes less from the damage buff itself but more about condensing the damage into a unit that costs a third or quarter as much as usual

[stone oxide]

katakuri, dante, vsjw

[wraith lynx]

I mean, if you’re looking at units in a vacuum, a vast majority of them are better without

But there are circumstances where the condensed damage is just better. Like Yamamoto or vsjw if you wanna play around elite summons

And also just… Every progressive stage lol

[pliant thistle]

but 90%$ of this community just want to place units and be done with the stage

[late wigeon]

Actually comical that the RNG trait is becoming the best over time (Deadeye)

[wraith lynx]

Yen makes the gameplay go round

[marble condor]

yes f2p 🥀

[fresh drum]

I’m level 235 f2p I don’t have a single monarch

[dry dew]

So I’ve read a bit and I think I’m understanding the “point” you are trying to make however i feel like you are pretty bias because having a monarch unit doesn’t mean you can’t use any new released units, with that logic, since I have gotten Toji and sukuna monarch back when they got released I should be still using them above anything else because “Monarch is too op to try anything else” but, you are missing one of the most if not the most important part of the unit, the passive, you could have monarch saiko would you use her instead of cid ? Or if you have monarch sasuke would you use him instead of katakuri ? Monarch doesn’t do everything, sometimes even with monarch the dps isn’t good or worth it or it’s the passive that’s lacking, those people who are doing the “not using if not monarch” are usually heavy p2w players with a lot of monarchs because they have “unlimited” robux (Nagblox) and even him use different units based on the passive when needed even so he has around 30 monarch and yes he would go for monarch on every units he wants / needs because he can, monarch makes obviously progressing easier but passives are at least as much important

Enjoy the yapping

[slender prism]

🥀

[dry dew]

Ayo read it, at least 3 person or I wasted my time typing it ahaha

[dry dew]

(Btw more units are getting released without needing monarch to perform well or be optimal, Virgil Dante, Ragna…)

[hushed yoke]

I prefer monarch seiko than cid tbh lmao

[dry dew]

Damn poor cid

[hushed yoke]

I can say it cause i actually have monarch seiko 💔

[slender prism]

If cid didn’t lose his buffs on swap he’ll be really good Ngl

[dry dew]

Oh, i feel sorry for you now

[hushed yoke]

It has her niche for worldline but traitless lancer is far better unbound

[hushed yoke]

That would make him op

He is alr in a good state

[dry dew]

I think he’s still very good, he’s in my current team

[dry dew]

Okay, never used her once despite having 16 or 20 saiko, i should have evo’ed at least 1 tho

I rolled on okarun back in the days, kinda regret it

[hushed yoke]

Okarun released in such a bad state, hes prob the worst curse unit in the game

[tame zenith]

I will say it can seem like there are a lot of rrs being given out but at the same time monarch is a .1% chance or at least it’s 1/1000 and even if you spend 1000 you’re not guaranteed to get a monarch and I have monarch sukuna but I use other units because he’s not actually that good unless I don’t feel like farming for the stage I don’t use him often and the whole point about the game is to use the units you like but yeah sure sometimes you have to use a different unit for a certain stage but for the most part you can play how ever you want to play and I’m still playing waiting for updates from my anime’s jjba and naruto and when those updates do come out I’m gonna get the units shiny and hopefully save enough rrs for a monarch. One thing this game does really well is not power creep super heavy sure sometimes units are better than others but it allows you to use your favorite units. Monarch isn’t necessary but it sure does make progression easier

[dry dew]

My shiny ethereal is crying rn, but Yeah not a lot of units where good during that update, I’m glad
The av team changed since then

[hushed yoke]

Oh the shiny is fire tho

[dry dew]

Yeah I like it too, not having power creep often, makes the grind worth knowing I’m not wasting my time grinding just to throw the unit away 2 weeks after when a new and better one gets released

[dry dew]

Yeah pretty Nice, only good thing about the unit

[rough crystal]

this suggestion completely ignored the fact that the devs made TRAITLESS gamemodes

[lunar aspen]

as long as it doesnt become like ALS

i do not care

[queen vale]

i don’t even see the real argument honestly, as long as we don’t get units that literally require monarch every single update to be meta that would be fine. Though even now deadeye is the best trait for dps regardless and monarch is just a money reduction factor almost always

[fallow maple]

react to chair

and monarch is fine the way as it is

its not needed on every unit to deal good dmg

🪑

[queen vale]

Literally got a f2p battle pass unit that out can potentially out dps monarch gogeta with ethereal/deadeye, and got another battle pass unit that hits top 3 with deadeye 💔

[mighty veldt]

i got 11 Monarchs as basically a F2P

since none of my Monarchs was reliable on pity or robux bundles

i only bought battlepasses who only got me Shiny Units, bc the Rerolls barely got me Solar sometimes

[stone oxide]

well that means you are not f2p then

[mighty veldt]

eh

[dry dew]

ayo don't steal my name

[mighty veldt]

i still think Monarch as a must have is kinda bad

bc i miss 5-6 placement units

Cha-In was the only Mythic+ with 5 placements

[queen vale]

I wouldn’t really say it’s a must have though honestly

Deadeye Cid out performs monarch Cid in terms of overall dps in infinite even if you don’t use his ability, deadeye dante out performs, deadeye vergil majorly out performs now that his doppel is fixed, deadeye vsjw out performs monarch in some modes, lowkey don’t even see the problem

Gogeta was realistically the only unit that 100% required monarch

[inland turtle]

Fr like where did they go

They gotta add more

[queen vale]

They talked on stage about adding a lot more units that weren’t monarch exclusive, but then again bro also said “you guys have dante” etc when we meant like ragna 💀

[inland turtle]

😭😭

Well ragna mechanic is unique, but like higher placement units

[queen vale]

Yeah would be nice to get more units like Choy that function on having more placements for dps

Rather than just go get monarch on everything

Or make them mega cheap at least so the point monarch don’t even matter compared to other traits dps 💔

[inland turtle]

That also sounds cool

Cheap but high placement

We got ichigo for cheap but the cost is sad

Rem and ram was good

[queen vale]

Yeah rem and ram was by far one of the best non monarch progressive units for a while

[strange hedge]

most ppl who have 4 monarchs have been playing since the winter upd most of the time so I don't rlly see the problem

[pliant thistle]

ong

[mighty veldt]

Dante Monarch with a good Birb outperforms Deadeye in any Mode.
Eth/Monarch Vergil with good Black Spirit outperforms Deadeye with a good Birb.

[pliant thistle]

this guy gets it

[mighty veldt]

Never Heard of Deadeye Cid being any good so idk what to say abt him

[strange hedge]

the only time that scaling is based around monarch is in tournaments or other modes that have a trait disabled mode to be w it

[strange hedge]

cid is better with monarch the argument here is still dunb

monarch shouldn't be nerfed or anything

[queen vale]

All units are “better” for progression with monarch

Though dps is literally a different story except for placing limits almost

[strange hedge]

ok but cid's nuke and passives actually make him better with monarch he's like one of the few cases

[queen vale]

The argument entirely is dumb

[mighty veldt]

Trait scalling for tournaments is fine, i Heard of Traitless lb run

[queen vale]

His passives don’t make him better as monarch, but his nuke yeah

[mighty veldt]

but i think its NOT happening

[strange hedge]

I'm fine w that I'm saying that almost nothing that the average player is FORCED to do is locked to monarch cuz of scaling

[queen vale]

No one is forced to get monarch fr 🥀

[strange hedge]

as in the swap bmg bonus for nuke

yea u can beat the game with ethereal units

my friends have before

[queen vale]

you can literally beat act 1 cid raid with all rares and inumaki

it just takes 30 minutes but hey

[mighty veldt]

we all want tho😭

[strange hedge]

yea CID raid is the only thing that may take monarch on hard mode

[queen vale]

Yeah that’s the point 💔 You want monarch but it’s not needed

[strange hedge]

that and later legends stages but u can transfer now so

[queen vale]

You won’t even want monarch if they nerf it or rework it

[pliant thistle]

traits are just a horrible thing in the first place

only reason it’s here is bc this was originally an aa copy

[mighty veldt]

As It goes, im not using new Units traitless, only If they are supports, i got so many good Monarchs that using new Units without a trait is pointless

[queen vale]

Majority of units would have to be deleted if traits were removed because many of them are trait dependent

[pliant thistle]

ik but the devs are creative who knows what they could do

obv it’s too late now

[queen vale]

I don’t see any harm in traits considering in AA you could get roughly 600 rrs after a year probably, and in AV it takes a week

[pliant thistle]

traits are only good if done well

[queen vale]

AA also nuked their traits with double traits

And the fact you could get double unique on vegito

[pliant thistle]

only reason unique was good is bc their game was super p2w

this game is way different

[mighty veldt]

also, Unique Dps increase for 3 placements Units was bigger than Divine

[queen vale]

As long as that’s not done with some obscure power scaling with needing monarch to be required to do anything it’s fine imo

I’ve been playing AV lately with traitless units regardless just because there has been no one i’ve wanted to roll on besides VSJW

I don’t get the real argument as a whole 💔

[neon solar]

Since the last updates, Av has been working on the fact that the passive is the most important part of a unit. And not the blunt damage. That's why traits are not the most important thing in many cases. And since the game is very f2p friendly, you can easily get traits today anyway

[queen vale]

Almost anyone can create an account and have a 50/50 chance of getting monarch with just the rerolls in shops alone

[mighty veldt]

Deadeye outperforms Ethereal in most cases now, i think the game is getting in a good way

[queen vale]

Yeah deadeye definitely out performs ethereal now, Bird is saving it heavily and I also think the game is getting in a more f2p direction not being as reliant on monarch

[strange hedge]

I currently only have a gripe with the familiar system

[neon solar]

isnt that a good thing?

[queen vale]

Yes

Though, there are arguments being held on this discord saying “monarch is too easy, nerf rrs overall or remove monarch” lol

Bad takes all around honestly

[neon solar]

fr

[strange hedge]

this guy probably paid for stuff in AA and is upset av's equivalent to unique isn't that special

[neon solar]

[marble rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-vanguards-pity-igris-macro-anime-tower-defense-gif-13528668530314169099

[coral egret]

me 💔

[mighty veldt]

ngl getting Monarch now is like a need

isnt a super fantastic moment like AA

Its just "wow, now this Unit has a good trait so i can start use it finally"

Cid ahh situation

[inland turtle]

Why do people say that
It really isnt

[pliant thistle]

you dont NEED one

but the community makes you think you do

[neon solar]

yeah

just don't understand why monarch should be changed

[inland turtle]

INDEED

[pliant thistle]

thats not really what i was pointing towards

its more that the devs could have been more creative but ig its in the past too late for them to make any changes now

[inland turtle]

Yeah

Changing it now is a problem

[neon solar]

I wouldn't say that they could really make traits better

[mighty veldt]

i will explain MY case

[inland turtle]

NAAWWWW

what a flex holymoly

But like that doesnt mean its needed tho 💔💔

[mighty veldt]

with all that, i kinda dont need to use the newest units, only If they got monarch/other situational good trait

like i genuinly only started using Cid after getting Monarch on him

otherwise i prob wont ever use him, only for tournaments

[flint marten]

i have 7, my friend has 8, my other friend has 6

[mighty veldt]

Indirect flex, but atp, to care for the game and discuss points in the suggestion section the minimum a Release player should have is something near me

[dim bear]

game isnt based on monarchs

take katakuri for example

having solar on him is better than monarch

[flint marten]

i played from release and have 7

but

i have 2300 rrs

saved

[mighty veldt]

If you are a true F2P, its understandable

[flint marten]

i js have vip and bp

but like i dont buy bundles or rrs or anything

[mighty veldt]

us

[dim bear]

just vip and bp and can be considered f2p

and rarely bundles

p2w is for ppl that "whale"

[pliant thistle]

thats only a few units tho

[dim bear]

like spend huge amount of money or pay their way to win stuff

[flint marten]

i classify bundles as p2w unless it is stricly cosmetic 🤷‍♂️

[dim bear]

only a few units that will keep pouring

[flint marten]

thats why i buy the bp

[pliant thistle]

same with the units that u aim for monarch on

[mighty veldt]

i was called whale by getting Vip and Bp

[flint marten]

for the shiny

[mighty veldt]

lol

[pliant thistle]

bundles give like no rerolls apart from the 10k robux ones

which is considered p2w

[dim bear]

so what would you suggest they rework monarch into?

as to not recieve backlash from the community

[flint marten]

well yeah cus they make all the cheap bundles give like 500k gold and 0 rrs 💀

[pliant thistle]

and a super cool nice skin

[mighty veldt]

make Monarch do 500% dmg

[pliant thistle]

not my job sorry bud

[flint marten]

meh some of the skins are bad

[mighty veldt]

so my Monarch Gyro Will be boosted

[rancid oracle]

No? How is this trait even p2w
Majority of the best traits on units aren't even nonarch

[flint marten]

like the casual skins i find underwhelming

[dim bear]

you must have a slight idea tho right? its not like u can just say make the game better and give not the least idea as to how right?

[pliant thistle]

i neva said the trait is p2w can u reread it i beg

[pliant thistle]

i adressed the concern not how to fix it

when devs ask for unit ideas people give names

not full unit overviews

[dim bear]

tl dr he says u need monarch on new units cuz u will just keep using monarchs u already have

[pliant thistle]

thats it

[flint marten]

no shit 💀

[pliant thistle]

spot on

[dim bear]

and needs to be reworked to not make them needed

but

80% of players have atleast a monarch

I dont see how they can change something ppl even spent money on

[flint marten]

if i have the rarest trait on my unit why would i rather use a new unit without one 🙏

[pliant thistle]

ive already said that

[rancid oracle]

Oh wow saves time

[rancid oracle]

That stage might give a huge debuff and better options?

[flint marten]

thats why i save rerolls for the new units

but stand alone why would i rather use a new unit with no trait vs my monarch

[pliant thistle]

exactlyt

thats my point

[flint marten]

monarch does not need changing bro 🙏

thats how it works

[dim bear]

same issue as in aa

it will fall off in a few updates

it cant stay meta forever

[rancid oracle]

Like i said let's assume a stage is giving energy drain
And ur monarch isn't immune to energy drain
Or has sth like -50% dmg on that element
It's going to be common sense to use another unit

[flint marten]

the rarest thing in the game should not be powercrept by a brand new unit

[dim bear]

so u will be forced to get another one

[pliant thistle]

never said it should be

[flint marten]

ik, which makes this post even dumber

[pliant thistle]

ur just in a fantasy now

[dim bear]

hes a little right tho

i have full monarch team

i wont be using any guilty gear units unless i get monarch on them

but theres no fix to this now

[pliant thistle]

new units just get dumped in the bin unless u get monarch on them or they have a gimmic which makes them better with deadeye or smth

[pliant thistle]

thats right

i was just brightening the topic

[rancid oracle]

And reworking ts js gonna annoy many ppl

[dim bear]

ig only solution would be to add more traits that offer a wider range of variety?

like not stronger than monarch

like how celestial was

20% of dmg is converted to true

slow stuff

etc

[pliant thistle]

just need a bit more strategy with unit building or smth

[dim bear]

to help make units certain passives stronger

[flint marten]

ur just making it harder to get monarch

[pliant thistle]

it wouldnt change monarch

just add stuff

ur smart aren't u bud

[dim bear]

u cant go more than 100%?

[flint marten]

they have already confirmed to not be adding any new traits or changing previous ones

[dim bear]

u will just make the basic ones rarer

with 1% or less

[pliant thistle]

they said "at the moment"

[flint marten]

where?

[rancid oracle]

It will make it harder indeed but maybe for the better

[pliant thistle]

in the qna summary

[dim bear]

it doesnt matter, devs can go back on what they said at any time if its needed

[mighty veldt]

for 15 waves, i bet u should be joking

[pliant thistle]

they also said they wont be buffing or nerfing units from past update

[flint marten]

idk i feel like traits are in a good spot right now

[rancid oracle]

Yh for 15 waves btw
I'm talking about maximising damage obv

[flint marten]

other than eth

[dim bear]

also more unique units that dont need monarch

like how ragna was

[mighty veldt]

i will spend more time to do an inf list, hold on

[pliant thistle]

this kris guy actually has a brain

[flint marten]

getting an ethereal feels like getting solar

its either deadeye or monarch 🙏

[rancid oracle]

I mean i do feel the same but more useful trsitd would be better

[rancid oracle]

But i do agree monarch most of times is the most cost effective trait

[pliant thistle]

getting an ethereal is a stab in the heart just remove it from the game

[flint marten]

at the end of the day its just our own opinions on ideal av

dont feel like arguing cus neither of us will change our opinion

[pliant thistle]

idk ur basically speaking against making it more f2p

[flint marten]

how

[rancid oracle]

Yh we got different visions on what we want the game to be
So i feel we leave it like that

[pliant thistle]

yeah

fair

[mighty veldt]

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Units like Dante and Vergil, with a good familiar can be used with monarch

Also Yhwach can be used with mon on inf mode

Choy is 1 Monarch and 3 Deadeyes for comp

[rancid oracle]

Yh i agree but in most cases monarch isn't the best to maximise dmg
But sometimes monarch cab be better obv

[remote marsh]

monarch what

[remote marsh]

ts for inf right

never cook again

[mighty veldt]

yeah

[mighty veldt]

why?

i even thinked abt these imagens could help u question helpers

abt people always asking for Best trait on X unit

[stone oxide]

vegito is better with ethereal

[remote marsh]

https://animevanguards.fandom.com/wiki/Traits

we have this already

[mighty veldt]

yea i forgot him

[remote marsh]

alu solar, boo monarch

[mighty veldt]

ts is most for Lb application

cause no one is using Alucard with Eth since his blees tick got buffed

[remote marsh]

so is this

it was made by top players from previous seasons

[mighty veldt]

and Buu can barely get kills for summon with DE

[remote marsh]

early

saying buu is better with monarch pureply for summons is something else

[mighty veldt]

i ask frequently to top players and they change opinions

[flint marten]

vegito ethereal

[mighty veldt]

i still got him Deadeye anyway

[mighty veldt]

ye i got it 🙏 😭

[flint marten]

cus u can have 2 goku swaps for cc and a vegito for rupture

[mighty veldt]

like most of DBZ Units would be better with Deadeye if you counting only DPS

like Goku

[inland turtle]

Understandable