Odyssey rewards buff/change

[high loom]

Current rewards are not only really low, they dont make sense as well.

1. Remove gems/lower their chance, u get gems everywhere and only reason to play odysey are shards
2. Buff floor clear shard rewards (i assume most ppl will only play odysey every reset so buffing those would be nice)
3. Buff phoenix and Elemental shards and nerf corruption drop (ex. 60% phoenix, 25% element, 15% corruption)
4. Apparently most optimal strat is to quit early, so buff shards gain on higher intensities

Depending on rng u need insane amount of shards, and corruption is only last step (after u already get perfect familiar), so corruption crystals are way less required than other 2.
U will be spending 100's of shards on birbs and w only way to get shards being odyssey, their drop should be higher.
Also good gon and birb are game changing for all lbs, so would be nice to atleast lower rng factor on familiar rolling (more rolls = higher chance for good one).

For example my aizen deals way over 30% more dmg with birb i rolled, who made that familiar 😭

Also odyssey needs to be manually played so another reason to buff rewards for manually playing players to get rewarded more (manually farming shards should give better results than afk farming more familiars)

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[hollow kayak]

1. The pool needs filler to keep the shards on the relatively rarer side.
2. The milestones aren't supposed to be the main reason to play, if you want to minmax familiars through corruption, you are supposed to actually grind the mode.
3. Goes hand in hand with number 1, though I do agree that I wish the other two shards had a higher drop rate comparatively.

[copper gale]

This suggestion is awful

It’s obvious you don’t play odyssey

[tawny cedar]

I'm crine I made the exact same post

[high loom]

well i dont play it a lot cuz i find it pretty boring, but i have to play it for shards so would like to atlest get something

1. dont see reason for them to be rare since u need insane ammount of them
2. i can see milestones not being main reason but they are boosted rewards, and if some1 doesnt like mode seems to be most worth time w them

so ppl not playing it a lot still get smt and ppl that enjoy, wanna grind get more as well

also well reason why odysey is how it is in gameplay is another topic ig

[tawny cedar]

it's like 2 hours to get 30 if ur lucky and end up pulling only phoenix shards while the chance of getting a good bird familiar is less than like 2%

that's my only gripe it takes too much time for little payoff

[hollow kayak]

Yes, that's why they're supposed to be rare. People aren't supposed to be freely rerolling familiars and walking around with high stats everywhere

[tawny cedar]

cuz more likely than not ur getting corruption crystals and gems as well

[high loom]

they change too much to be giga rare, 100 dr ignore, 100% faster guage, 30% more dps

some ppl get lucky some dont, and i did so for me its not as bad but still

rolling familiars is fun if there was another mode w worse rewards time wise i wouldnt care but its only odysey

[high loom]

ye cuz its just pure rng 😭 and repetetive

still a lot better than old one tho

mby i shouldve made more calculations but atm rewards are just bad

[hollow kayak]

They're bad because players want to be able to reroll their familiars a lot more

But we saw what that was like in testing

And considering what the future goal of corruption is, it was a disaster

[loud fractal]

Finally a good suggestion

[high loom]

well w birb ppl NEED to roll a lot

30% dmg familair is just insane

[loud fractal]

Its fine birb will get powercrept next update

[hollow kayak]

Yeah, that's exactly why they're being kept rare

there's a reason why birb is the only secret familiar

[abstract ether]

the game being balanced around one familiar makes no sense

[hollow kayak]

and those high rolls are supposed to also be rare

"balanced around one familiar"

[cobalt tapir]

Farm birbs instead of phoenix shards

[high loom]

but there is no pity some ppl get lucky some unlucky thats just not fair

[hollow kayak]

Yes

[high loom]

as i said i rolled 30% dmg birb so im the lucky one

[hollow kayak]

So you grind more to get a birb or two

[high loom]

but that doesnt change fact that getting gon and padoru and other stuff is just not fun

[hollow kayak]

you grind phoenix shards to try and get a good roll worth corrupting

[high loom]

ye then why u get more corruption crystals 😭 ?

[hollow kayak]

I mean high gons and sub 10s padorus are still gonna be hella valuable

[hollow kayak]

That i don't know. I asked the same thing and I begged to just change it to like 20/20/10

[high loom]

so its just for trading cuz LUCK is supposed to be the thing that brings value to the game

[hollow kayak]

But

I meant valuable as in good to have

[high loom]

everything in trading is worthless cuz devs dont care and trading will be only about familairs seems amazing

well some familiars value is too high tho(as to have) 😢

and a bit too game changing

giving a bit more rrs wont make it common

black meter is good example of needing only a bit luck not that much

since 100-149% is same

[hollow kayak]

Pretty much yeah

[cobalt tapir]

Ngl blackmarket birb trading finna be insane

[hollow kayak]

Until other units come out that will need varying amounts of 100+ to hit their own breakpoints on things

[hollow kayak]

Birb should be changed from secret rarity to Contraband rarity if it does

[high loom]

shouldnt birb be untradable since he isnt limited?

[hollow kayak]

Oh yeah

Maybe, who knows

Maybe it’ll just be units that have to be limited

[cobalt tapir]

what would the border look like for contraband rarity i wonder

[hollow kayak]

Full black

For black market

[high loom]

either way i just wanna have like idk 7/10 rrs(f15) each per run and like 5 corruption?

also is f20 even reachable w that scaling? dont think any cards scale to inf for smt else than ragna?

today i got 3 and 4

[hollow kayak]

I mean, depending on the modifiers you get, 2k int is easily achievable. And then at that point you don’t have to keep climbing int

You can just keep picking 0 after that point

[high loom]

oh i meant like full +200s to f20

floor itself doesnt give anything no? like if u keep going +0 ur rewards wont go up?

[abstract ether]

how does that work

oh

i see

[hollow kayak]

You get +1 pull per room clear after you hit 2k int

[high loom]

cant u go inf then?

[hollow kayak]

yes

[high loom]

since enemies dont scale up

wtf

[cobalt tapir]

Does the milestone ends at 2k?

[abstract ether]

...

[hollow kayak]

if you really wanted to, you could play infinitely after 2k

[potent scarab]

its the guy on top wl

[abstract ether]

that sounds dumb

[hollow kayak]

milestones are based on floor count, 13 floors

[high loom]

does reward scaling go up after 2k or nah? so like 3k 4k milestones?

[hollow kayak]

No

milestones are completely separate

[high loom]

so its 1 roll per 100? and 1 per room?

[hollow kayak]

you could literally do 0 int for 13 floors to get your weekly milestones

[high loom]

yeye milestones are for 13 floors or smt

[hollow kayak]

1 per room after 2k int

[high loom]

and 1 per 100 intensity? or intensity post 2k doesnt matter at all?

[hollow kayak]

still 1 per 100

[high loom]

so 3 per +200 and floor claread ye?

[hollow kayak]

the 1 per room is just like, a bonus

[cobalt tapir]

what about intensity?

[hollow kayak]

if you go 200 every room after boss, then yes

Depending on the modifiers you get, that could be very achievable

[high loom]

oke ig i have better way to get runs still atlest make odds higher for pheonix and elemental 😭

[hollow kayak]

Though I plan on making the shop restock every stage instead

[high loom]

500m boss w/o ragna feels hard + rng

[hollow kayak]

I tried

[high loom]

imo biggest issue gameplay wise is just pure rng

0 choice making anywhere regarding build, only choise u make is 'dont take more yen for more enemy hp'

or not taking chests 😭

or tbh add more familair rrs to cid shop 😄

[hollow kayak]

that's not happening either

they'll probably add them to future shops though

[hollow kayak]

Also that one's a lot better now that the hp scaling got hella nerfed

[high loom]

ye but at some point more gold does nothing

[hollow kayak]

there is a little bit of decision making depending on the stage

especially with boss rooms

[high loom]

well boss room=ragna

at higher intensity

[hollow kayak]

Well yeah but that takes a while if you aren't using monarchs. Which is usually better if you have the yen modifiers

Also ragna's still susceptible to stuns and relies on something like affinity

[copper gale]

So we’re not going include in black spirit, and bald guy?

[tawny cedar]

who is bald guy

[high loom]

+2 one ig?

[high loom]

is black spirit even more dps than 35% dmg increase?

[cobalt tapir]

35%dmg increase and 20% crit chance birb will always be better

[copper gale]

The one from the DB legends act 3

[tawny cedar]

both of those familiars are so insanely niche compared to birb who has the ability to just be a mini deadeye solar

in fact I'm pretty sure bird is better than solar

[high loom]

it is ye

better than deadeye as well 😭

[tawny cedar]

I think it's equal to deadeye

at max potency

deadeye grants stronger crit buffs but idk what the max dmg and rng is

[high loom]

33% dmg increase from deadeye max birb is higher

depends on unit ofc etc

or nvm they buffed deadeye irc

[hollow kayak]

Thing is

It's a lot simpler and easier to get a sufficient spirit

[tawny cedar]

even a bird with 10% across the board is better than solar and probably matches deadeye

[abstract ether]

no one even bothered voting on ts 🥀

[copper gale]

because it's ass

this guy didn't play odyssey and started thinking his idess are any better

[abstract ether]

odyssey being the only mode to get shards from is ass

icl

[high loom]

I need to play for shards, gamemode is dogshit ofc i dont play it a lot

[high loom]

b

[high loom]

b

[tawny olive]

why are u making a reward change suggestion for a mode u dont know much of bc u dont play it

[high loom]

i dont play it cuz rewards are bad. its only way to get shards which are required for other modes

i dont think its possible to make good rougelike for a td game, but its a lot better than was before, if rewards are nice im sure more ppl would play it

[hollow kayak]

"required"?

[high loom]

well 'required' as 30% dmg from familair is big difference

ofc any normal content doesnt require anything

[hollow kayak]

It's a big difference if you really want to minmax for it

[high loom]

30% is more dmg than most traits 😭

perfect birb is a lot more than 30%

[tawny cedar]

because 2 hours of grinding for a handful if ur lucky isn't fun or enjoyable when rolling for a familiar that has a really low chance of getting the desired stats on

assuming you have a good monarch that can beat CID hard mode, let's say aizen, you would need to grind for the familiar that has a 3% drop chance in a mode that takes 10 minutes of hands on gameplay per run, then you play odyssey, most likely get the really good cards, play for 2 hrs to get the most optimal amount of drops and HOPE that the pull changes are mostly phoenix shards

[tawny olive]

idk how much a handful is but im not gonna give my opnion on it bc i only played odyssey for like 10 min

a tester said the familar rrs arent supposed to be too common tho

[tawny cedar]

2000 intensity seems the most optimal from what I've played. that takes Abt 2 hours. you get 30 pulls that can be element rrs, phoenix shards, corruption crystals, or gems

all randomized and most of the time more than half are corruption shards and gems

[tawny olive]

isnt 2k intesity just 10 games

[tawny cedar]

I've played like 10 runs in the past week and I've gotten around 7-10 per 2 hours run

[tawny cedar]

assuming u get easy stages the time varies

also insanely high scaling

at 2k intensity most bosses have millions of hp

and pray that you don't get god statue cuz the statue hp scales as well

[tawny olive]

odyssey seems to be more rewarding the further u get and doesnt take away from the main game so just get progress in the main game and youll get further in odyssey.

i dont think u even need monarch for it bc i saw someone getting 500k+ leftover cash

in later stages

[tawny cedar]

that's the thing, I have 4 monarchs that are all really good and it still takes INSANELY long

I get making them rare but unlike trait rrs there isn't any farmable alternatives ur basically forced to play odyssey.

you can't save where u were so u gotta either play 2 hours straight or put an autoclicker o to take breaks in between

[tawny olive]

i think its fair that a certain item is locked behind a mode bc the mode wont just rot away without anyone playing it

[tawny cedar]

that's assuming u get good cards

[tawny olive]

but they can still make odyssey better

[tawny cedar]

again im fine with them being mode locked and rare I'm saying the rarity it currently has is unfair

[tawny olive]

idk ill just play odyssey tmrw and see how it is

[tawny cedar]

again the point is that getting the "godly bird" familiar is basically the same rarity as pulling a monarch except there's no pity, no purchasable option, and phoenix shards are much more scarce than trait rrs by a large margin

that's my main problem birb basically dictates the game currently and getting even a singular decent one takes at least a few hrs if ur lucky

he's better than every trait other than monarch

the problem will probably be fixed as more familiars come out ig

[tawny olive]

they can implement the stat system where when u get 100% worthiness then u get a minimum of A in stats

like they can add an item u grind for or craft that gives ur familiar 100% worthiness so it gurantees a decent pull

[hollow kayak]

Getting a "godly birb" is like, leagues rarer than just getting monarch

And that's very much intentional

Shards are rare and take a while to grind

[copper gale]

well, you guys are doing it wrong

you arent meant to cash out at the highest floor you can go to hence why you aren't getting that much rewards because you do not know the method

this is why people shouldn't create suggestions based on a game mode they haven't mess around with it enough to the point their opinions matters a lot

[forest ruin]

@hollow kayak do you think they'll ever add phoenix shards to the shop similar to how they added stat chips

[tawny cedar]

I can go further it's just that 10 floors is already very time consuming

[tawny cedar]

yea that's why I'm saying a slight tweak to the rates wouldn't be a big issue

I'm not asking for 30 a run I just want like a guaranteed 10

[cedar pelican]

I went 90 floors, took like 4 hours, only got 15~ of each shard and like 5k gems

ts not worth it

spammed 200 intensity all the way through

just to get all negative 20% on 4 birds

[tawny cedar]

yeah I get they're meant to be rare but they are barely farmable in their current state

either remove gems from the loot pool or make them less rare

[high loom]

most optimal way is also most boring one

literally 0 reason for gamemode to look like that

[hollow kayak]

You mean the robux shop?

No absolutely not, never.

Nothing about corruption will be monetized.

[high loom]

How about gold shop?

[hollow kayak]

Unlikely

Not completely out of the question, but highly unlikely

[high loom]

b

[forest ruin]

Should coz I wanna p2w more 🤑 gotta stomp in pvp

[hollow kayak]

nopers

[forest ruin]

🥀 guess ill slave away in odyssey for 10 phoenix shards and get -20% dmg birds

[hollow kayak]

[tawny cedar]

they should add even just a little bit of crystals to certain refreshable shops

like 10 in boss rush

[high loom]

i call cap

stat chips werent in robux shop either

[hollow kayak]

I don't remember them ever saying stat chips would be monetized

Also because corruption's involved in stuff later that the can't let it be monetized

[high loom]

b

[tawny cedar]

ooohhhhh

[magic ore]

bump

[high loom]

b

[high loom]

b

[high loom]

b

[high loom]

ye thats for sure

fun to play for that rewards !

when only pheonix ones matter

[high loom]

b

[undone sun]

C1 my beloved

[forest zinc]

Blame yourself

you just unlucky

I got 16 phoenix and 1 element before

[unreal sand]

L ragebait

Trying to be 1970 so bad

[reef lotus]

[high loom]

b

[fiery violet]

Bump

[high loom]

b

[high loom]

b

[fiery violet]

Just got 6 element shards and 2 phoenix shards ts so peak

[cobalt idol]

after 6 hours in a run, I got about 3600 Gems, 10 Phoenix Shards, 8 Elemental Shards, and.... nearly 30 Corruption Shards
They gotta rebalance this

[fiery violet]

How did you even get more phoenix shards than elementals

That's unheard of

Also the meta is going to 1k intensity and cashing out

Going above that is sub optimal

[cobalt idol]

Makes sense, wish higher intensities were more worth it, since you're even risking the run being cut off via disconnect or such
Also might have miscounted my elementals then?
God it would be great if Cash Out actually displayed your exact rewards instead of just teleporting you back and showing you the gems you earned for 1 frame

[undone sun]

fr

[potent scarab]

@young cipher

[hollow kayak]

We tried fixing that too, funny enough, but just couldn’t get the shards to show up like the gems do or even show up as a popup when you cash out because it’s not a proper “end of match” scenario that can pay you out. It might get looked at and reworked in the future though, likely after 6.0

[cobalt idol]

(its going to take me over 30 hours to get 4 familiars to corrupt, let us exchange corr shards for the other two...)

[fiery violet]

Yeah this actually is just so absurd

[undone sun]

fr

watch me corrupt my unit 4 times and then elemental shard it to seal it 🤪

definitely not the other way round

[cobalt idol]

The synthesizer system is juuuuust ripe for this......
2 Corruption Shards -> 1 Elemental or Phoenix...
10 Phoenix -> 1 Trait Shard

[undone sun]

LOL

😋

the first one is clean tho

getting more corruption shards than the others is absolutely absurd

[cobalt idol]

Yea, we've already been told that corruption is 110% never going to change and is finalized, so the fact that someone made the decision for it to be most common despite that...
Like it really feels like they did intend to make Corruption rerollable, theres just no other logical way that they'd have went "yea lets make this one so abundant that you'll never run out even if you try"

I don't think even automated players get enough familiars to actually use away all their corr shards

[cobalt idol]

Bump, reduce corruption shard chance to 0.1%

[high loom]

b

[cobalt idol]

Luckiest roll in all of Odyssey history

[potent scarab]

i got 10rr for mine

20rr total in Odyssey

[undone sun]

no corruption ?!?!1

[high loom]

good

[cobalt idol]

We could have this if they simply made corruption shards work the same as trait rerolls in odyssey, only a limited amount per week
Its not like you can even get more than 5 familiars per week if you no-life the game

[fiery violet]

You can tbh

Dark spirit is easy af to get

[cobalt idol]

That's true

[high loom]

!

[cobalt idol]

It's already been confirmed that corruption is staying as is, but it'd be interesting if it had a double-doubling cost.
Corrupt a familiar, uncorrupt for 2, now you can corrupt it again for 4, uncorrupt it for 8, corrupt it for 16 and so on
A softer limit but still becomes impossible soon enough
Would make more sense with how many corruption shards we get right now

[undone sun]

Oooh ya

[uneven ore]

break

[high loom]

anything would be good man, getting 100% is like less than 1 in 1000 and any other spirit than that is a lot worse

[tawny cedar]

black spirit should be increments of 5 imo

[high loom]

its just that diff between 100 and 99 is insane same w 150 and 149.9

[cobalt idol]

Yea its not the same as stats, 24.9% godly is basically just as good as a 25% godly
But like you said, 99.9% and 100% in familiars is massive

[hollow kayak]

Problem with that 100% is that it's more than likely going to be like 99.99% or something which means you don't actually hit the attack thresholds for meters

[cobalt idol]

Doesn't it round only for stuff like Babidi? 🤔

[hollow kayak]

No

Babidi displays decimal values but it always rounds down anyways

at least that's what I saw last time I was testing things with it

Spirit basically needs a c3 to hit the breakpoints because otherwise you have to bank on landing on the exactly 100% cap naturally

[cobalt idol]

If each possible % is of equal chance, a natural 100% is like... basically a Monarch, 0.1%

[hollow kayak]

I mean, considering that it doesn't just roll to the first decimal point

It might be lower

a 99.95% is possible to roll but it visually displays as 100%. Functionally though, it is still not 100%

[cobalt idol]

wait really????????????

Thats actually devilishly evil

here i thought 0.000000000345% chance was bad enough for a perfect bird but apparently its 0.0000000000000000000000432%

[hollow kayak]

It's something weird

I don't think every familiar is like that

And I don't know why they are

But I know there were issues like with Pachiru where sometimes you'd go to corrupt and you'd hit some floating point error number were it was like 7.9999999999999997% or something like that

All I really know is that visually 100% does not always actually mean 100%

[cobalt idol]

oh that could just be roblox's way of dealing with "NumberValues", if you put in like 3 it automatically correct it to 2.99999999999999999999994 and whatnot from my experience
So theres a small chance that it works fine

[cobalt idol]

bump

[high loom]

Ye thought so but didnt expect to go past 2nd number. Thats just stupid, well ig 150% working is impossible then

[cobalt idol]

just a casual 0.01% chance within a 0.05%...

[hollow kayak]

I don’t actually know how far it goes exactly

[high loom]

Well since ut can go to some weird numbers

I think corruption also goes to weird numbers

[cobalt idol]

remove corruption from loot pool

[fiery violet]

okay thats also not a good idea

if you make them way too rare shit will be cooked

just make them rarer

simple as that

imo odyssey should've been a currency based gamemode instead of whatever we got, with limitless functioning as a more stage-based rewards

[cobalt idol]

Yea im just exaggerating
Anything over seeing "+10 corr shards" and nothing else after a long run...