Half Hourly limit

[mortal sparrow]

Nah only if I count other sources which aren’t consistent

[fickle harbor]

70 rrs from bounties

[silver cedar]

honestly

like monarch pity in a week?

[fickle harbor]

Idk how many you make a day from challenges

[fickle laurel]

Sorry, you’re right, I’m wrong. I was looking at the numbers wrong

[silver cedar]

dfqqq

[fickle laurel]

A month is about right

Rare 1970 w

[fickle harbor]

How many rrs could you make a day for challenges

[tacit stag]

gonna be like 3 weeks once they finally add global cooldowns lol

[mortal sparrow]

48

But only if I do the full day

[fickle harbor]

So like

[fickle laurel]

48 if you mango 24/7, 96 during the 2x times

[mortal sparrow]

So let’s call that 50

[fickle harbor]

800 rrs a week including tourneys and boss rush

[mortal sparrow]

750 from challenges a week

[fickle harbor]

And weekly challenge

[fickle laurel]

You can make up to a little over 500 with full mangos

[mortal sparrow]

With 0 disconnects

And 24/7

[grand loom]

it's more

u get 80 rerolls from br shop

[fickle laurel]

Until that’s patched

[hollow knoll]

51 and 102

[mortal sparrow]

They fixed that

[fickle harbor]

That’s still not patched?

[grand loom]

Nah

They didnt fix it lol

[fickle harbor]

🥀

[mortal sparrow]

How to do

[fickle laurel]

True, dailies yeah

[grand loom]

its the same method

[fickle harbor]

Boss rush bug

[mortal sparrow]

I forgot

Plz tell me

[fickle harbor]

[tacit stag]

send vid

🙏

[mortal sparrow]

Average discord community looking down on someone saying please

[hollow knoll]

Lol

[fickle harbor]

It’s going to be patched anyway

[mortal sparrow]

I need that extra 40 rr rn

I’m down 1.6k on cid bruh

[hollow knoll]

Js leak it

[fickle harbor]

Cant do it rn

[mortal sparrow]

I thought it had to do with private servers

[signal spear]

I got like 3 ethereals on cid still no monarch

[tacit stag]

do you just buy rr on the same day

[fickle harbor]

You can’t do boss rush in private servers

[mortal sparrow]

I’m at 6 💀

[mortal sparrow]

Ik but wasn’t it like the private server shop or smth

[tacit stag]

cid is a fraud rather dump it all on my glorious king vergil

[fickle harbor]

Idk

[fickle harbor]

💔

[mortal sparrow]

Alr have Mon

[tacit stag]

you cant buy rerolls in boss rush private servers

[mortal sparrow]

Tf do u mean idk don’t u know how to do it

[tacit stag]

get ethereal on him too fr

[fickle harbor]

I don’t know how to do it?

[hollow knoll]

Js realised who said it still isn’t patched

The dumbest av player 🥀

1970

[fickle harbor]

1970 has some good takes

[mortal sparrow]

This

[fickle harbor]

It’s just shrouded in poop

[mortal sparrow]

Thought he implied that he knew

[hollow knoll]

Lol

[fickle harbor]

I do know

[mortal sparrow]

.

Crazy work

[fickle harbor]

Smartest vanguardian member

🥀

[signal spear]

Cid is better than vergil

[hollow knoll]

🥀

[signal spear]

In most content

[hollow knoll]

I agree

My Cid does 3x my Vergil’s dmg

Everywhere

[tacit stag]

too late, leak the method since one of the testers know it now

[fickle harbor]

I’m good

[signal spear]

The testers already know lol

[tacit stag]

vergil is a dps demon so idk what your talking about

[fickle harbor]

Ok

Sick

Y’all don’t know tho

[signal spear]

I know it. Why are you making assumptions

[high trail]

Cid better than vergil, of course alone and without monarch he is

[fickle laurel]

We’ve known about it for a while lmao

[fickle harbor]

CID is better than Vergil with and without monarch tbh

[tacit stag]

yes vergil is slightly weaker than cid without freeze

[hollow knoll]

Idk what you’re talking about I’m not fucking dumb ik vergil has 300k dps but even I don’t understand why Cid performs better

[signal spear]

Cid is the single best unit for boss damage

You use nuke to clear the small enemies and then just john smith the boss

[fickle harbor]

Is the nuke all range or just in his range

The title is very confusing

[signal spear]

His range

[potent cloak]

his range

[tacit stag]

💔

[fickle laurel]

Wow a unit being weaker when you ignore half their kit that makes up like 2/3rds of his dps, who could’ve ever predicted this

[grim shadow]

Recoome reaction to this information:

[signal spear]

Lets not bring ginyu up

[hollow knoll]

Leak br rr method

[fickle laurel]

?

[signal spear]

He sucks

[grim shadow]

Cid can be stunned

[tacit stag]

read the grammar on the sentence i replied to

[fickle harbor]

Big L

[fickle laurel]

Oh yeah the health gating on ginyu lol

[fickle laurel]

So?

[fickle harbor]

Just rename the move to atomic instead of all range

[grim shadow]

His nuke can be interrupted

[signal spear]

Did they fix cid getting stunned out of nuke

[fickle laurel]

But it’s all of his range

[potent cloak]

No it cant😭

[fickle harbor]

All range sounds like a full wide map nuke

[grim shadow]

Wdym it cant

[tacit stag]

slight stronger atomic

[fickle laurel]

No? It was just bugged and didn’t actually hit enemies

He can’t be stunned out of the ability lmao

[grim shadow]

Oh

Mb then

[signal spear]

Its the name of his attack in the anime

[tacit stag]

doesnt cid do atomic for his basic attack

[potent cloak]

Yes

[tacit stag]

and his nuke is just an atomic that does more dmg

😭😭

[fickle harbor]

They should’ve made it like awtds cid

Where he has 3 types of atomic

[hollow knoll]

Leak br rr method bro 🥀🥀

[signal spear]

So basically what youre gonna want to do is

[fickle harbor]

You can’t do it anymore

[hollow knoll]

Oh cool

Wait why doesn’t Cid have recovery atomic

[signal spear]

That would have taken them too long I guess

[fickle harbor]

Because the devs don’t like fun

[signal spear]

Delta took up a lot of dev time

[hollow knoll]

You’re right

[cyan cobalt]

Couldnt pay health support

[tacit stag]

cause ichigo keeps the dmg boost for every livestock lost

[hollow knoll]

Lol

[potent cloak]

Also health stock recovery = Sokora becomes insanely good

[signal spear]

Ichigo even at 5x buff wouldnt be good

So it wouldnt matter

[fickle harbor]

What does she even do

I still haven’t gotten her

[signal spear]

If they fixed how sakura works with sold units then she wouldnt really be that good

[potent cloak]

Corrupt units, average their spa with hers, all corrupted units attack on her spa

[hollow knoll]

Could give him cleanse

[potent cloak]

True
Kinda just feels underwhelming tho

[tacit stag]

whats her spa

[fickle harbor]

Someone should lowkey be a suggestion

[signal spear]

Maybe they could make it so his nuke actually destroyed a part of the map

[fickle harbor]

But it’s not going to be added

[signal spear]

And then he could restore that part

[hollow knoll]

Too much work 😭🥀

[tacit stag]

trust guys the fraud cid will get a double evo and have a kit like vsjw for it

[signal spear]

Its pretty high like 6s

[hollow knoll]

What’s the point?

[fickle harbor]

A man could only dream

[potent cloak]

I think base is 10
Blitz + good spa stat like 7
She also has a passove that lowers spa
Also corruptions on 1 spa dante can allow her to reach low ass spas

[signal spear]

Sakura is only good with dante

[signal spear]

Passive that doesnt work

[potent cloak]

It does tho

[signal spear]

Does it

[potent cloak]

Yea

[signal spear]

It didnt yesterday in the tournament

I think

[potent cloak]

It definitely worked
It just doesn't show a spa buff on her

[signal spear]

Oh

[fickle laurel]

Because recovering stocks is something they're gonna be very touchy about

[cyan cobalt]

Can you guys decrease the spa limit to 0.1 instead of 1

[potent cloak]

[fickle laurel]

No because that breaks things lol

Not in a balance way

[cyan cobalt]

But ragna..!

[signal spear]

In a balance way too

[fickle laurel]

I mean fundamentally with animations and things

But also yes in a balance way

[cyan cobalt]

Oh those already broken, haruka gets a seizure if you upgrade her

[potent cloak]

Also would just make sakura even more powerful
She doesn't need that, her with mon yhwach is already a really good strat😭

[hollow knoll]

W?

[signal spear]

Thats more so monarch yhwach carrying

[cyan cobalt]

Ywach is so solid i cant even imagine how op the unit that finally beats him will be

[silver cedar]

losing on a 40% is crazy

[fickle harbor]

You get so many gems from this game

[silver cedar]

200k gems too

[fickle harbor]

I don’t see a point of that pity

[hollow knoll]

I’m js like that

[cyan cobalt]

Did you at least get two shiny alucards in return?

[hollow knoll]

200k is alot and I still don’t have him so I’d say otherwise

[hollow knoll]

Not even one normal 🥀

[fickle harbor]

This suggestion is so off topic🥀

[silver cedar]

type shii

[signal spear]

It happens to most suggestions

[cyan cobalt]

About 2600 messages here are unrelated

[fickle harbor]

I’ve been reading the thread

Most of it don’t even make sense🥀

But imma put a L because I feel like it

[cyan cobalt]

[mortal sparrow]

Ur acting like ur not part of the problem

[mortal sparrow]

Lmao

[brittle salmon]

where are you getting your math from bro please explain

[olive hollow]

were his calculations wrong?

[brittle salmon]

it sum like 48x3

but why only 3

[viral lintel]

Limiting the amount of runs u can do won’t change much cs ppl still gonna mango

[sleek pecan]

4 days are 2x

[brittle salmon]

fr?

[viral lintel]

Them having more rrs than u doesnt affect ur gameplay at all

[brittle salmon]

i thought it started friday and ended sunday

[olive hollow]

you do know

that a limit is already implemented right

its just bugged

[brittle salmon]

whats the limit

[viral lintel]

Like usual

[olive hollow]

think it was 16 iirc

[viral lintel]

So then y is this suggestion even here

[olive hollow]

more of a poll atp then a suggestion

[viral lintel]

Bro this community is buns

[olive hollow]

to see how much of the community supports mangos etc

[viral lintel]

And why is there a limit

[olive hollow]

just read the post dawg

[viral lintel]

A lot of ppl do it Evb should know this

[viral lintel]

Nah it’s too far up

[olive hollow]

@viral lintel \

[brittle salmon]

16 runs a day?

[viral lintel]

Thx

[olive hollow]

yes

[brittle salmon]

oh well then thats fine

does the op know

[olive hollow]

yes

[brittle salmon]

👍

[viral lintel]

Still sum bs

This guy is upset because ppl who mango get more rrs than him?

[high trail]

It is a valid reason, it forces people who dont mango to catch up at a impossible rate

[olive hollow]

that is the exact reaason (well mabye not exact but close enough)

which is reasonable

[viral lintel]

U mind explain it more?

[olive hollow]

do you think a person who is manually playing the game or not using an advanced mango will do more then 16 half hourly challenges a day?

[viral lintel]

Nope

wait

U have to pay for the mango?

[high trail]

3 clowns above did

[viral lintel]

💀

[high trail]

But those things are free

[olive hollow]

heard there were free ones

[viral lintel]

Alr

So if there’s free ones i don’t see what’s stopping him for using it unless he’s not on pc

[olive hollow]

the point is that no one is going to do over 16 half hourly challenges a day, meaning that it would only benefit mango users and if the devs claim to be anti mango this should be a easy way to nerf mangos

[viral lintel]

Oh alr

I don’t do hh challenges so idk y am here

[olive hollow]

the game isint supposed to be mango'ed (atleast i would like to belive so)

cause at that point why wouldint they just add a auto play feature

[viral lintel]

True

[grizzled badger]

Almost everything are free lol

Some mangoers pay for no reason

[cyan cobalt]

No? Im practically the source of the problem

[mortal sparrow]

lmao ok

[mortal sparrow]

to give people the feeling of "beating the system"

[trail scaffold]

it is undoubtedly an tho

[trail scaffold]

"this game isnt supposed to be mango'ed" sorry gang but this couldnt be further from the truth

them not adding an auto play feature doesnt make that true aswell

[humble quartz]

Realistically it’ll always be an L, the argument is nerf only “mangoers” who play 24/7, though it’ll still end up impacting people regardless honestly, people will just see it as nerf rerolls by cutting them in half because too many people get more rerolls than others

[trail scaffold]

yeah and he thinks thats an issue at all

the fact that mangoers get more rerolls

he tried saying that it makes it impossible for manual players to compete in leaderboard, like the gap wasnt much worse before challenge rework at all

😭

[humble quartz]

Honestly all I’m hearing is buff p2w players and nerf f2p and people who mango

[trail scaffold]

this mf gotta delete ts thread atp

[trail scaffold]

FR

[sinful moon]

they do think that F2P players do not mango?

[sinful moon]

Any TD game can be mangoed, even Bloons TD or Plants vs Zombies

[trail scaffold]

this thread is literally just making a deal out of something that isnt an issue at all

[humble quartz]

Almost 70% of f2p players mango challenges or just sit in afk chamber because they can’t 💔

The real suggestion is literally take getting monarch pity every 4 weeks to every 6~ weeks, this literally changes nothing except “give me more time to catch up” 😭

[sinful moon]

Actually, making the RRs easy to get lower the problems with P2W and Trait rarity

[trail scaffold]

fr

makes ppl actually compete in leaderboard

before this rework the gap between p2w and f2p was way too big

[humble quartz]

ngl they’d have to basically reduce challenges down to 6 per day in order to make any impact and that would gut everything

[trail scaffold]

the way it is now is perfect imo

[humble quartz]

I have nothing to complain about, I think it’s fine, any other change would force people to basically go back to swiping their card or waiting for each update more than they already do

even if he reduced challenges rewards by more than double, you would still get 72 rrs a week from just challenges even if you got 6 rrs

which would still be too much apparently for some people

[trail scaffold]

but then i a manual player can keep up with mango players🤓

and the gap between p2w and f2p just gets bigger🤦‍♂️

[humble quartz]

Yeah there’s no real saving this suggestion honestly

It’s either defend mangoers or defend p2w is all it comes down to

[signal spear]

And do you see people mango those games? No, because people play them for fun

[sinful moon]

If there is no people that mango these games, there wont be afk Farm videos abt it

wth is that statment

[signal spear]

??

Can you form a coherent sentence please

[silver cedar]

wtf is this shii even about

u do not need to mango those games

the reason why AV mango reliant compared to those 2 are bc of its designed

like all Anime tds are

[sinful moon]

nor AV

most of the time i play It manually when i can

[silver cedar]

but it is more logically to

compared to those 2

[sinful moon]

repeating Story acts each 30 minutes to get 2 rrs isnt like the funniest thing to do anyway

[silver cedar]

bc u cant just play AV all day just for rerolls

[humble quartz]

It’s more logical to afk farm ANY td game on roblox, because there’s only so much content that can be mindfully and manually played

AV will still be mangoed

even if there was a limit

It would just be farming infinite for shinies to normalize

[sinful moon]

im pretty sure devs do It on purpose atp

like everyone was thinking Cid Raid was anti-mango

[humble quartz]

It does farm a majority of games money so it wouldn’t be a surprise

[sinful moon]

but now everyone do it

[signal spear]

Its almost like real games like btd dont forve you to do the same boring stage 100 times

[humble quartz]

Honestly the title of this post should just be ban mangoing atp 💔

No way to prevent those who mango from doing better than those who don’t

except more manual content being more rewarding ahem odyssey buff

[silver cedar]

no one wants to do odyssey

[signal spear]

B-but they need filler rewards

[silver cedar]

at least the majority

[humble quartz]

💔💔

[signal spear]

Like fucking 100 gems

[silver cedar]

like that shit is not fun

ok

like not fun

its like doing infinite manually but also not afk'ing bc u start new rounds

[humble quartz]

If the rewards were better I would play it, as of now though I have no reason to literally not just grab familiars and pray instead of getting shards 💔

filler rewards 🥀

[spare gull]

If the game was good i'd play it

[sinful moon]

same bs

[sinful moon]

those who mango can still do manual content tho

people like me would do it if the content was enjoyable and drop good rewards

[weary gazelle]

exactly

[high trail]

Theres people who mango yes, but theres not that many people who can mango 24/7 for like 200-300 more rerolls WEEKLY which do make a difference between the amount that one can win.

How would you feel if a small portion of people were making that much currency and u didnt have access to it.

This is totally different than straight up buying rerolls with real money

[trail scaffold]

so what?

like genuinely

thats simply too bad

shit doesnt need a limit just cuz others cant mango

[high trail]

Then whats your solution? Cuz the current situation isnt a true one either

[trail scaffold]

wdym? i feel like the way chal is now is perfect

[high trail]

Its weird that you talk about catch up wuth p2w players yet this system leaves people behind aswell

[trail scaffold]

you get alot of rrs, but it still isnt enough to get thru a whole .0 upd

[trail scaffold]

leaves people behind who simply never got a chance to begin with

this is an issue with every td game

limiting chal is not the solutio

is my point

you are only increasing the gap between p2w and f2p, but closing the gap between mango players and manual f2p players

so the issue still there and i argue even worse

[fickle laurel]

Technically people spend money on the mangos to farm them, so it might as well be buying rerolls in a way

[trail scaffold]

as i see it, buying a mango is the same as buying time

cuz you dont need to spend time manually playing a game thats simply unrewarding for manual players

wait thats wrong

the game is rewarding for manual players, but mango players benefit more

then again this isnt a issue

this thread is simply creating a non existent issue

[fickle laurel]

I mean, it's not really creating one

It's bringing an already existing issue to light

[trail scaffold]

it isnt an issue tho

thats my point

unless you think otherwise

[cyan cobalt]

If m@croing is so many times more lucrative, playing manually is basically pointless, which then forces everyone to m@cro
Rather than closing the gap between p2w and f2p (which you can't anyway, p2w simply pays as much as they need in an instant), it just creates another layer to screw over anyone trying by their own effort

Really, it just screws over the poorest of f2p's who either don't have a computer or can't run a m@cro 24/7
You are only kicking down your fellow players, not bringing down the titans that are p2w players

From that perspective, someone who m@cros is no different from a p2w

Of course p2w is completely and utterly unfair, I don't disagree with that at all

But m@cro is just not the solution

[cyan cobalt]

Since it's been thrown at me so often, no, I'm not a mobile/console player. I'm one of the few people who could actually m@cro 24/7, on basically as many accounts as I want
But it's just not the way to solve this

[signal spear]

No its just an issue in roblox td games

Real games dont have this problem

[fickle laurel]

I have never once seen someone mango bloons

[trail scaffold]

well yeah ofc

[fickle laurel]

It's not a fault of TDs, it's a fault of the way roblox TDs all follow the same sort of formula. But that's also because they can't really make single-player games and be successful with it, they depend on playtime

[mortal sparrow]

How r u kicking poor people by mangoing lmao it doesn’t affect them

Game is pve

[cyan cobalt]

If it's PvE, people wouldn't care that P2W's are so far ahead of them..

[grand loom]

devs also lose money if the limit thing is true

[signal spear]

Or maybe those people will just buy more rrs to make up the difference

Making the devs more money

[weary gazelle]

sure buddy

nobody buys rerolls

only youtubers rich asf like nagblox

100$ for 100 rerolls is wild

[trail scaffold]

so hows limiting chal making that any better😭

[trail scaffold]

much more people do than you think

definetly bundles

[weary gazelle]

do you think that people who already got like 1000 + rerolls after the nerf will go and buy bundles?

or just be mad about it

[trail scaffold]

be mad about and buy the bundles

are we forgetting that 1k+ rrs still isnt allat

ppl are way too used to aa

[weary gazelle]

and 150 is?

[trail scaffold]

it isnt either

[weary gazelle]

for 100$ 100 rerolls is wild

Nobody got 1000$ to spend on a lego game

[trail scaffold]

yeah no one buys that

[weary gazelle]

without a monarch guaranteed

[trail scaffold]

the bundles tho are a different case

alot of ppl buy them

like even now

with how good chall is

[weary gazelle]

its not like that without nerf they wont buy it and the nerf will make them buy it

Bundles are principally for the skin / cosmetic

[trail scaffold]

i whole heartedly believe that if they released the 150 rrs bundle for the same price without comsetics it would still get bough

[weary gazelle]

exactly so nerfing it wont make an increase of bundles bought lol

[trail scaffold]

but for the 25rrs one yeah id agree

[trail scaffold]

it will a bit

cuz i for one stopped buying bundles after chal rework

i just dont think the solution for all of this is limiting chal tho

[weary gazelle]

Same

Also they shouldnt have done it from the start if now they wanna nerf it , we are too much used to it

They intended to make it max 20

[trail scaffold]

so true

[weary gazelle]

And after 1 month it still isnt like that

So atp just keep it like this

[trail scaffold]

yeah it's way too late

but i genuinely feel like it is at a good spot right now

since they said raid shops arent getting restocked

[weary gazelle]

1 Entire month of a player grinding the game is good for them

and is 1 monarch pity

[trail scaffold]

exactly

and .0 upds have about 6-8 units

so you arent monarching more than 3 units statistically

so you will never get rerolls quick enough to keep monarching units

[weary gazelle]

They should care more about what player think, 126 L is massive

[high trail]

Basically what i was trying to say, everyone should be in equal chances to farm the same amount of rerolls either by buffing manual grinding or nerfing automated ones, ik its a gacha game and all but as nether said this will atleast get fixed tho

[trail scaffold]

but how is everyone not in equal chances?

just because you dont have the opportunity to mango, i wouldnt say you dont have an equal chance

your circumstance is different to others

thats simply too bad

i feel like your argument is way too idealistic

[fickle laurel]

I don't see how console/mobile players are in equal chance

or PC players who cannot realistically mango for whatever reason. Maybe they have limited access to their PC. Maybe because they want to actually use it to do things instead of sitting on a td mango for hours

[weary gazelle]

there are ways to use it while mangoing, you think we do nothing for 1 month?

and btw if u play on console and think that u can compete in lb bro ( not talking bout u, just saying in general)

[fickle laurel]

I'm not talking about lb stuff

I'm talking about an equal chance in general. Regardless of a comp setting

It is by very definition very inequal

[weary gazelle]

but that goes for everything not only traits, its inequal for almost everything

what should we do ? limit everything that can be mangoed?

[fickle laurel]

I mean

If it's that freely mangoable then yeah probably

It's hard to really put a limit on stuff like the raid drops given that the stores have very limited quantities or just have low drop rate things

[weary gazelle]

Cid raid got one of the craziest and strongest familiar, its really a game changing, but its impossible for a console player or mobile player to get 6+ of these familiars + getting whole familiar rerolls shop + rerolls + both evo item

Cuz the game takes so much time to clear the shop they made

So thats why people mango it

[trail scaffold]

but why would there be a need for one?

literally except for comp

[fickle laurel]

Because it feels better from a player standpoint?

[trail scaffold]

if you are grinding the game even without mangoing you can easily have a fun time and progress

AV is generous with its shops

if you want more than that you're just being entitled at that point

[signal spear]

? Whats stopping them

Are we being platformist

[weary gazelle]

they cant mango

if they are p2w asf

ofcourse they can

[signal spear]

Thats what this suggestion is for

To limit the need of mangos

[trail scaffold]

"need"

we gotta stop sayng ts

you dont need to mango

[weary gazelle]

there is no need on av

[trail scaffold]

it's simply more effective if you do

like this thread is so pointless i dont understand

[signal spear]

Sure nobody is physically forcing you to but with how large the difference between normal players and mangos is

Its basically needed

[trail scaffold]

this doesnt even correlate

[trail scaffold]

what bro

[weary gazelle]

Its not like if we decrease how many rerolls per day u do there wont be any advantage between mango players and non mango players

that would change nothing

and just make players mad

[trail scaffold]

literally

[signal spear]

So we started from "console players cant compete in lb because they cant mango" and somehow ended up at "you dont need to mango"

[weary gazelle]

as i said if u play on console or mobile u cant clear whole cid shop

[signal spear]

Make it make sekse

[weary gazelle]

but if u mango u can

should we limit cid shop ?

No

[signal spear]

Cid shop is already limited?

[trail scaffold]

what bro😭

[signal spear]

What are you talking about

[weary gazelle]

There are pretty big rewards but u need so much time to clear it

I didnt even clear it with 3 days full of mango

[trail scaffold]

btw are we forgetting that monarch isnt even meta in inf?!?!

[weary gazelle]

imagine a non mango player

[trail scaffold]

like inf meta is so different now

[signal spear]

Sure and you have all the time in the world

The rrs arent gonna disappear

[trail scaffold]

deadeye is literally the best trait in inf¨cuz of birb

[signal spear]

Because guess what

The shops dont refresh

[weary gazelle]

u think a normal person without mango will play the gamemode more than 3 days in a row of gameplay?

Also i did 3 days in a row but with 9 minutes per clear

so i was even fast

[signal spear]

No and a normal players dont need to

When will you ever need to buy all the evo items

[weary gazelle]

A normal player doesnt need for challenges too dw

[signal spear]

All the familiars

[weary gazelle]

50 rerolls?

30 familiar rerolls?

they are busted

[signal spear]

You need 1k tokens for the 50 rrs

Thats more than doable

[weary gazelle]

only for the rerolls 1k tokens

do u know how much time that is

[signal spear]

Not that much

[weary gazelle]

15 tokens per clear

[signal spear]

So 67 clears

[weary gazelle]

and if ur not that good u can lose sometime + u can take to 15 min per run

[trail scaffold]

which most players do

[signal spear]

Which you would do anyways might I add for the birb and cid

[trail scaffold]

i saw a guy in wave 38 on act 1😭 tbf thats not normal

[weary gazelle]

what u gonna do with the birb if u cant roll on it?

[signal spear]

Why couldnt I

Odyssey exists

[weary gazelle]

Odyssey is not that good

even worse than cid shop

[signal spear]

That's a different problem

[trail scaffold]

odyssey weekly which is so doumb

way too limited for the little rewards it gives

[weary gazelle]

Also dont forget u need 2 entire team to play it

[trail scaffold]

i spent 2 hrs going to 4k intensity only to get a total of 30 crystaks

[weary gazelle]

and the boss room its just insane

[signal spear]

One side gets carried by ragna

[weary gazelle]

Sure ragna going to solo this

[signal spear]

Yea he actually could

[trail scaffold]

^how much intensity have you reach?

[weary gazelle]

i lost ts with full team monarch btw

dont say skill issue cuz there is nothing about skill

[trail scaffold]

there lowkey is

[weary gazelle]

they just have a ton shit of hp

[signal spear]

No idea I just went to floor 15 for the rrs

[trail scaffold]

ngl

it's rng and skill

[signal spear]

So 3k intensity

[weary gazelle]

there is skill

but every boss having 10m health

shield

and everything

how is this balanced

15 waves gamemode

where do i even get the money to defeat ts

[trail scaffold]

it's purely rng, and then building your team around the modifers you get

[weary gazelle]

Some modifiers are bugged

i got the double cap thing

[signal spear]

You get a ton of money in odyssey

[weary gazelle]

and doesnt work

[trail scaffold]

like when i reached 4k intensity i was using lancer ultimate gohan, and weird asl units

[trail scaffold]

yeah it's bugged

[weary gazelle]

I could only max Aizen

with those

[signal spear]

Do you use farms

[weary gazelle]

Funny

Aizen max + some upgrades to other units

and thats it

[signal spear]

How do you only max 1 monarch

[weary gazelle]

100+k money aizen

• odyssey shop upgrades

[signal spear]

Was this when odyssey came out

Because they buffed the money you get a bit after that

[grand loom]

idk what ur upgrading else

bc they gave us inf yen income now

[weary gazelle]

why u changed the msg from a toxic one to a normal one lol

[high trail]

Its weird because the first time i did them last week my yen income was same as story

This week now the yen income is the one from challenges

[grand loom]

maybe read #「📚」update-log

[weary gazelle]

they made this role just for you

or someone else have it

?

[olive hollow]

pre sure just 1970

[weary gazelle]

big flex 💪

[sturdy zodiac]

But by the time you are there you have stacked a bunch of cards if you have monarch gohan he also shreds bosses

[olive hollow]

you know why

[weary gazelle]

ig i just got unlucky

or maybe i dont know 100% odyssey

i always used 200 intensity

what does it change?

i know nothing cuz there isnt a tutorial anywhere

[sturdy zodiac]

I mean if ur struggling with monarchs and wanna go higher floors you can pick 100 some rooms to and farm a bit to get cards

I saw a person do 10 hours in it with just 2 monarchs each team

[sinful moon]

i wanna read this all

[grand loom]

what does this have to do with my role?

[sinful moon]

[grand loom]

its not hard for him to read update logs

[sinful moon]

i already did it

[sinful moon]

there is a way of mango and still use the PC

[sinful moon]

agree

[trail scaffold]

with birb aswell deadeye would be the best trait for most units, but then you'd need godroll ofc

[signal spear]

In what world is lancer, ichigo and saber meta

[trail scaffold]

it's all about boss dmg and cc

[signal spear]

Lancer is a strict downgrade from vegito

Oh wait that isnt the inf tl

[sinful moon]

there isnt one

[silver cedar]

deadeye vsjw is a lot worse than monarch when birb came out

[fickle laurel]

I mean, no? Depends on what you're using him for. A big part of deadeye's value is the inf lb runs because you have 3 separate sources of summons that are just based on enemy max hp%, so raw damage doesn't matter

Just the crit chance and the crit damage itself

The most that monarch offers is a little more mana efficiency for a little while longer, at the cost of 2/3rds of the arise summons

[silver cedar]

oh wait thats an inf tier list

lol

[signal spear]

I honestly cant tell if its an inf tl or not

Theres no reason to use lancer in inf

Rem is also terrible in inf

Same with saber and ichigo

[cyan cobalt]

Ngl the "Overall" title makes it seem like just playing the basic story mode, raids and stuff like that

in which case Rem Rom is cheap I suppose, Lancer is the cheaper Rupture, etc.

[signal spear]

Yea but then the traits dont make sense

[fickle laurel]

It's an inf tl

So idk why the traits wouldn't make sense

[signal spear]

Then the units dont

How is saber, ichigo and rem in the same tier as choy

[fickle laurel]

Monarch's really only good on units that have global CD abilities anyways or something that scales well off raw base damage

I mean

It does say overall tl

I don't think the traits are on there by default

[signal spear]

What

Oh

[fickle laurel]

Yeah

I think someone edited the traits on

To show their best inf traits

[signal spear]

I see

[fickle laurel]

I should've worded that better tbh LOL

[vernal dawn]

m-m-m-massive?

[trail scaffold]

it's prob just a solo inf tier list

[hallow vapor]

on god we're cooking

[trail scaffold]

yooo

[trail scaffold]

@cyan cobalt is not gonna like this SS

[fickle laurel]

Ong bro just drop the weird ahh ping obsession

[hallow vapor]

ill roll when next vanguard drops

[trail scaffold]

bro what

literally first time doing it today

😭

[fickle laurel]

You’re still begging for his attention over it for some weird reason

I guarantee it ain’t that deep

[sturdy zodiac]

Why wouldint he like it

[merry iris]

They actually do that shit???

[high trail]

Wait, it actuallt works currently?

Unbelievable.

[merry iris]

Ye but they dont said nothing

[high trail]

Then it was a shadow patch

😯

[cyan cobalt]

Yea I don't really get it
If I had made this post because "grr I can't get as much as these eeeevil m@croers" it might make sense
But the stance I have on it is for the very reason that I do have the capability to just run multiple accounts 24/7 farming for me
Its unfair to players who do the absolute best they can, a game shouldnt be man VS machine, it should be man VS man (VS rich person's bank account )

[merry iris]

Probably they Will Say something in sub announcements or upd log...

[fickle laurel]

Maybe

Maybe not

It was always supposed to be there anyways

[sturdy zodiac]

Will it show a counter like bounties of how many you can do left?

[fickle laurel]

No idea

[cyan cobalt]

Probably not even on the priority list at all

also bounties button doesn't have a counter afaik

so its likely we are not getting one for HHs until 2027+

[fickle laurel]

It has a counter in lobby

When you go to select a bounty

[cyan cobalt]

yea which you will ideally not do (once they add back the bounties button to Challenges (and other modes), please...)

[high trail]

Better not, because i know people will start crying loudly around once they find out about this

They will anyways but atleast not among everyone

[fickle laurel]

Either way

Limit works now

The AV society is saved

[sturdy zodiac]

I mean a lot more people are gonna find out eventually so it wouldint matter anyways but atleast they got a couple thousand rrs before the limit

[cyan cobalt]

I'll keep this thread un-locked for a few more days so they can throw their anger in once concentrated spot then close it once its done
Vote has basically finished up at this point, and all arguments were said

[gilded glade]

they added a trait limit now

[keen bane]

welp

[gilded glade]

so

[keen bane]

testers and devs are actually slow

[merry iris]

Ok but how much is the limit?

[keen bane]

😭

[merry iris]

We need to know

[keen bane]

they didn’t even announce it either just ghost added it

[keen bane]

game doesn’t even have sub decent content but they’re limiting rrs

i’m crying

[merry iris]

I dont like when they do things likes that

[gilded glade]

knowing them probably like 3 or 4

[keen bane]

they could’ve at least made a poll man

like it’s not even fair

p2w players are gonna dominate once again

[merry iris]

Oh no

[high trail]

They always dominated

[fickle laurel]

12 clears

[keen bane]

with a mango at least you had a chance to get better

[high trail]

Better in what exactly

[keen bane]

the gap is gonna increase even further is what i mean

[gilded glade]

oh 12 isnt bad

[high trail]

Apart of traits kbs

[merry iris]

Is that confirmed?

[high trail]

Lbs

[keen bane]

getting traits

[fickle laurel]

Yes

[merry iris]

We cooked

I never get another monarch

[high trail]

Lmaooo now ur complaining about the same reasons we did

[fickle laurel]

Also better a bit of a gap between the f2ps and whales than the mangoes and nons imho

[fickle harbor]

🥀

[fickle laurel]

Ofc I’d rather not have whales at all but

[sturdy zodiac]

dont be sad its gone be happy it happened I used it so I can win every tournament now

[high trail]

When we were talking on the topic of non-mango and mango users

[fickle harbor]

Not using mangos in the big 25 is crazy

[keen bane]

it’s a tower defense game

these are meant to be mango

[fickle laurel]

Using them is even crazier

[keen bane]

smartest av tester

[fickle laurel]

Cringe, one might say

[high trail]

Heavily relying in something on them aint though

[fickle harbor]

75% of the the td games use mangos now

If you don’t have one it’s lowkey a skill issue

[fickle laurel]

That makes it a good thing?

[merry iris]

I mean they nerfed challenge so much now but they Will probably give more rr obtainment method in future likes gamemodes like pvp.

[fickle laurel]

It’s not even a skill issue

[fickle harbor]

Yes it is🥀

If you can’t find a free one or use tt you have a skill issue

[fringe drum]

dude we all do it even for wordlines and cid raid

[fickle laurel]

That doesn’t make it right 😭

[fringe drum]

we straight up just wanna reroll not play

[fickle harbor]

we ALL use paid mangos

[fickle laurel]

If you’re paying for a mango to play the game for you

[fickle laurel]

That’s depressing, I’m sorry

[sturdy zodiac]

why even be salty about tho I know you probably just like me you have enough monarchs to win every tournament now with the hh that makes up atleasst 70 rrs

[fickle harbor]

If you pay for trait rerolls in a Roblox game

[high trail]

They're all freely available, 30 dollars to the drain

[keen bane]

yhwach is needed in every tournament

don’t have that

[fickle harbor]

That’s depressing I’m sorry

[fringe drum]

theres also free ones out

[fickle laurel]

Still sad, but less so

[fickle harbor]

They’re both the same thing

[fickle laurel]

And that’s why they’re both sad

🥀

[gilded glade]

30 dollars is INSANE

[fringe drum]

getting monarchs is anything but sad pal

[sturdy zodiac]

true ig but you should of gone for him

[fickle harbor]

Everyone is paying 30 dollars for mangos

[high trail]

They're free lad

[fickle harbor]

ME and YOU are paying 30 dollars for non formal

[fringe drum]

it was 12 before upd 2

[fickle laurel]

Maybe you don’t need to rely on monarchs because traited tournaments are the only place where it actually matters and that’s always just a contest of luck

[sturdy zodiac]

just you bro

[fickle harbor]

Not me tho

I’m broke

[fringe drum]

a contest of luck? lol

[fickle laurel]

[fickle harbor]

Yab a dab a do

[fickle laurel]

I mean, yeah. Shit’s a monarch check half the time

[fickle harbor]

Monarch is cooler

[keen bane]

av testers are lisers

[fringe drum]

as someone that was top 1 paragon i can tell u monarchs DO matter

[fickle harbor]

And I like cool stuff

[fickle laurel]

Pretty luck/wallet dependent

[fickle harbor]

But imma play the most non p2w game ever

Grow a garden

[sturdy zodiac]

yea but its usually always a monarch check on the meta ones people roll on

like yhwach just gonna be meta forever in the monarch department

[fickle laurel]

Wow imagine that, a mode whose leaderboard revolves around limited income was dictated by the one trait that shortcuts it, crazy

[fickle laurel]

Anyways stay mad, limits fixed, boo womp

[fickle harbor]

Maybe tower defense games should stop putting traits in their game

[fickle harbor]

Why does the limit even matter💔

[fringe drum]

except for inf which is a bugfest and exploit abuse paradise what mode isnt limited by income?

[fickle harbor]

By time you hit the limit it’s most likely reset

[silver cedar]

Is rerolls the only one with limit? Or everything on challenge?

[fickle laurel]

I agree, yes. They just promote entirely unhealthy balance/systems. But it’s also just where they make money

[lofty sky]

xd

[fickle laurel]

That I’m not sure about. I think it’s just rrs, but I’m probably wrong

[potent cloak]

it matters for macros
it only stops macros and ppl who need to hop off the game

[rose echo]

or just make the rr easier to obtain like als

no need to buy then

[silver cedar]

Ok Ty

[fickle harbor]

Really doesnt stop them tbh

[sturdy zodiac]

I mean people usually mango it for 18 hours now its set to only 6 hours per day with 12 clears

[fickle harbor]

They’ll just move on to the new big thing

[fickle laurel]

You tell me, never mattered to me before because I never would’ve hit it anyways 💔

[potent cloak]

it lessens the impact
which is the whole point

[fickle harbor]

I only mango when I go to sleep

[fringe drum]

didnt they say a few days back they dont actively try to prevent mangos?

[fickle laurel]

I mean, considering als’ powercreep revolves entirely around the two rarest traits in the game for the most part, they kinda have to be given out like candy

[sturdy zodiac]

so this change wont effect you much only losing 2 hours worth of challenges

[rose echo]

yeah but it's actually possible to get one of the traits consistantly

Av is like 4 monarchs per year at the most

[fickle harbor]

That’s like

[rose echo]

with really good luck

[silver cedar]

Imma try and hit the limit and see if stat
chips are fine

[fickle laurel]

Crazy that the people who are the most upset about a change to the game don’t even actively play the game 🥀

[fickle harbor]

108 rrs a week

If you only do challenges

[potent cloak]

should just be rrs
you still get gold from beating rr challenges

[rose echo]

thats like half a year for a monarch pity...

[fickle harbor]

Man idgaf

[rose echo]

Well it's better than nothing

[fickle laurel]

Considering you need Overlord at the bare minimum to make a unit usable and units are still plenty usable without traits here, it’s not a good comparison at all.

[fickle harbor]

Who hits monarch pity normally

[silver cedar]

Big w NGL, encouragesmore variations

[merry iris]

Me

3 times...

[fickle harbor]

You just suck

[silver cedar]

Godly stats are also good to look at

[fickle harbor]

❌

[rose echo]

you can clear whole w1 with a normal tatsumaki

[fickle laurel]

People are gonna have to do stat chip challenge, the horror

[merry iris]

Shut up baka

[rose echo]

so I think it is a good comparison

[rose echo]

"baka"😭

[silver cedar]

They just like to complain

[fickle laurel]

Isnt world 1 also completely irrelevant at this point in the game

[potent cloak]

yea world 1 is fully irrelevant

[grim shadow]

W1 is always irrelevant 😭

[rose echo]

Well u get alot of rr to get your first overlord

[silver cedar]

You'd have more chance obtaining godly stats than monarch BC it rolls each stats

[rose echo]

and since they release 1 upd a week with new codes

[silver cedar]

Good for traitless ngl

[rose echo]

it makes it very easy to get that overlord u mentioned

[keen bane]

hmmmm

classic av ?

[merry iris]

Lol

[fickle harbor]

Av devs never keep their words

[fickle laurel]

Exactly, so who cares about what the balance is for world 1 in als, it’s not hard to get to the actual game at all. W1 might as well be a tutorial stage

[fickle harbor]

They’ll always go back on them

[sturdy zodiac]

I thought the limit was gonna a lot less worse then this tbh but I already got my loot so I cant complain

[fringe drum]

atp cant trust anything they say

[merry iris]

I cant say more than that

[keen bane]

they’re adding horrible content and they’re focused on adding a trait rr limit

[keen bane]

ong

[fickle harbor]

Just like when they said vanguards wouldn’t be op and are just for showing off

[fickle laurel]

I mean that second one is just true. The challenge limit was supposed to be there for a while

[fickle harbor]

🥀

[fringe drum]

not to mention guilty gear...

[grim shadow]

Tbh they change their own words everyday 😭

[fringe drum]

🥀

[fickle harbor]

Guilty gear is cool

[fringe drum]

or that they wont buff units...

[fickle laurel]

I KNOW y’all ain’t dogging on guilty gear

[keen bane]

bro

[keen bane]

reread what i sent

[fringe drum]

most ppl dont know what that is ( me included )

[grim shadow]

It looks cool

[keen bane]

and you tell me

[tacit stag]

are you happy now 💔

[fickle laurel]

Over the same slop mainstream shit 😭

[fickle harbor]

They could atleast tell us the limit and put it in update logs

Instead of shadow nerfing it

[rose echo]

^

[fringe drum]

mainstream shit = appealing to most ppl ?

[fickle harbor]

And causing unnecessary uproar

[grim shadow]

"I dont know what gg is so im gonna hate it" 💔

[fickle laurel]

Who cares if you don’t know GG. I don’t even know it but it looks cool. If the units are cool and they function well, then that’s all that matters tbh

[high trail]

The uproar will happen whatsoever

[fringe drum]

welp ofc ppl dont want stuff they dont know?

its an anime td

[fickle harbor]

It’ll lessen the impact and people won’t spam bug reports

[silver cedar]

They knew they would get hate from it, hence the shadow nerf

[fickle laurel]

I’m sure Naruto update #47 in the atd space would’ve blown everyone’s minds, yes

[silver cedar]

Or maybe they will later idk tho

[grim shadow]

Thats on them, they will still adding stuff so its not like end of the world

[fickle harbor]

Av devs never fail to make their community hate them

[tacit stag]

im happy if they just add the dolphin and anchor girl

[tacit stag]

so av is anti mango now

lol

[fickle laurel]

Also

[fringe drum]

didnt ask for naruto but they could've done other stuff like new animes

[silver cedar]

Faust would be cool ngl

[fickle laurel]

How does the limit “stop” mangos

[fickle harbor]

They’ve been anti mango since they banned non formal

[fringe drum]

is even his name banned?

[fickle laurel]

Like genuinely

[fickle harbor]

Idk

Don’t want to risk it tho

[fickle laurel]

The post said not adding stuff that stops mangos

[lofty sky]

93 w 138 L xd

[fickle laurel]

They didn’t stop mangos

[fickle harbor]

Yab a dab a do

[fickle laurel]

They just put a little cap on it

[tacit stag]

just let the man play valorant

[fickle harbor]

Stop trying to justify it and move on

[tacit stag]

little cap is 24 rrs a day in 2x

[fickle laurel]

Stop tryna justify mangos then 💔

[tacit stag]

💔

[fringe drum]

1/4 of it is not a little

[fickle harbor]

❌

[fickle laurel]

Still ain’t stopping y’all from mangoing it

[fickle harbor]

Mangoes are going to be apart of the td community for ever

[merry iris]

Ye this Is impossible they litterally make a cid raid mango...

[tacit stag]

watch the av player count drop

lol

[fringe dew]

is ts guy really happy with a change that is bad for everyone?

[fickle harbor]

It’s not

[fringe drum]

oh yeah am gonna mango for just gold which i alr have dozens of millions of

[fickle laurel]

Kinda hard to beat an AI playing the game for you

[fickle harbor]

It’ll prob dip tho since the arx update

[tacit stag]

less ppl gonna mango lesss overnight now

[potent cloak]

there has been cid raid macros since like day 2 of the raid being out

[fickle harbor]

Day 1

[tacit stag]

im pretty sure taxi made one

[tardy meadow]

the real issue why ppl mango is cuz the game requires it, you cant keep up otherwise

[tacit stag]

immediately

and it was effective

[merry iris]

Exactly so they can do everything.

[tacit stag]

deaduzz

[fickle harbor]

Av devs 1-3 with stopping mangos

[fickle laurel]

I mean, you can keep up

[potent cloak]

and who cant you keep up with
is it the other people who are macroing

[fickle laurel]

Fairly well

[tacit stag]

with luck

suure#

[tardy meadow]

its good that they are trying to stop mangos but they arent adressing the real issue

[fringe drum]

what is inherently immoral in mangoing?

[fickle laurel]

The only unit I haven’t actually finished grinding is Yamamoto

I’ve kept up pretty fine though

[fringe drum]

ik someone at 5k+ no shiny

is that smth u should also do manually?

[potent cloak]

and you need the shiny why?

[tacit stag]

too bad he got replaced next update and got nerfed and dogged on cause of vsjw

[merry iris]

For example my luck Is trash 7krr only 3 monarchs...
And i see people that Just started and get 3/4 monarch in like 1.5k/2krrs.

[fickle laurel]

I mean, if you’re insane. Idk why you would ever try to shiny hunt that

[tardy meadow]

casual vs endgame is diff, if i wanna run lbs i gotta mango to keep up

[fringe drum]

bcs no shiny = no drip

[fickle harbor]

Why can’t av follow in tds footsteps🥀

[tacit stag]

please no

[grim shadow]

At least they acknowledge that they wont do 0.75 secrets anymore

[tacit stag]

wouldnt even work anyways

we have traits

[fickle harbor]

That game is actually fun and no one mangoes in it

[frozen oasis]

i doubt it

[silver cedar]

Roblox Atds are flawed design in general, refuses to add qol futures, BC if they do too much like auto battle, player counts would drop especially premium payouts

[frozen oasis]

less ppl just gonna mango 24/7

[cyan cobalt]

non-gambling anime games cant afford the millions in lawsuits from the IP owners... (jk they only get a slap on the wrist )

[tacit stag]

watch the mangoers make an odyssey mango just for pure hatred cause of this lol

[fringe drum]

they should

[fickle harbor]

Av is prob going to get dmcaed soon tho

[grim shadow]

Theres already a limit for odyssey rrs

[fringe drum]

we all need them familiar rerolls

[fringe drum]

not for the familiar shards

[lofty sky]

This is for p2w players

[frozen oasis]

familar rrs

[tardy meadow]

js play the game an odyssey run is not even that long

[grim shadow]

I think just the normal rrs

[fickle harbor]

2 hours is pretty long

[fringe drum]

oh but it can be many hours

[fringe drum]

ik

[silver cedar]

For a dogshit reward as well

[fickle harbor]

I haven’t even tried it

It’s not even fun

[fringe drum]

if it would at least drop many pheonix shards...

[fickle harbor]

It’s just brainless like wl

[silver cedar]

I ain't doing allat for 3 phoenix shards

[tacit stag]

not for familiar shards

[scarlet anvil]

black borders:

[sturdy zodiac]

instead of 2 hours It can be 12 hours without lifting a finger

[fickle laurel]

Or you could go to about half an hour and then take your first cash out for the quickest and easiest rewards

[tacit stag]

did this suggestion lose stars lol

[fickle harbor]

We are ALL going back to aa because of this change

[fickle laurel]

That’s a good one

[fickle harbor]

50 star rems a day here I come

[high trail]

Ur just clowning at this point

[potent cloak]

then you get 10💔

[fickle laurel]

[fickle harbor]

Nuh uh

But since this got approved

Approve this one

#1373380172434112796

[fickle laurel]

This has nothing to do with being approved

It was just supposed to be a thing so it finally got fixed

[potent cloak]

its not really that this got approved
it just made the testers realize the feature wasnt working

[fickle harbor]

Nuh uh

You can only get 300 rrs a week now

[manic frost]

Can’t they just say rrs were nerfed instead of always ghosting the community

[fickle laurel]

I mean considering this change probably doesn’t really affect a wide portion of the playerbase

[manic frost]

I mean

It kinda does most Roblox td players mango

[tacit stag]

kinda does

[fickle harbor]

Which is 90% of Avs playerbase atm

[fickle laurel]

I HIGHLY doubt that

[high trail]

Yeah but with simpler programs, such as tiny task

A good portion of the playerbase should also be mobile

[scarlet anvil]

doing 12 challenges a day really isn't that much though

[fickle harbor]

I feel bad for them

[fickle laurel]

That’s the point, yeah

[manic frost]

I’m not tryna start anything I’m just saying just stop implementing shadow nerfs and just put it in update logs

[scarlet anvil]

thing is there's not much to do lategame after you've gotten everything you want other than go for more monarchs

[fickle laurel]

I think 8 hours worth would’ve been a fine middle ground