SUGGESTIONS FOR THE GAME (not locked to a specific theme)

[lucid shore]

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[green dirge]

is that a fucking microsoft word

[mint canyon]

it is

if thats a problem i can do it without the doc

[mint canyon]

you reacted with an L so i wanna know which part bothered you and why

[atomic pendant]

type shit

[mint canyon]

I dont get it

did you translate it it should be in english

[green dirge]

Quite literally the whole thing, I'll go through it
1, Buff stacking is inherently just dumb, the increase in performance that would give to certain units is EXTREME, buffs staying as additive rn are balanced themselves, it's not like the units that provide said buffs are underused, they're balanced
2. Considering the new changes and direction going with familiars, more reasons to minmax a unit wouldn't be a good idea, and relics themselves just aren't a great addition, they're quite bland
3. Introducing a literally do-it-all shop that you can get INFINITE of EVERY SINGLE reward from is just not a good idea, at all. The way resources are awarded is already quite generous, also a skin that gives buffs, are we serious
4. Requiring players to get additional versions of units that are already a pain/in some cases extremely hard to get is the reasoning why ascensions doesn't have a similar alternative for rarities above mythic, its extremely inconvenient to drain tens of hours just to get a slight increase to your unit and you might require it for content against other players
5. Giving shiny shards additional stats, no plain nd simple, it's stupid to lock stats behind the chances of a shiny, especially when factoring some bast stats of pre-existing units, also having the ability to make anything shiny takes away from the special alternative design they're meant to be
6. Trait transfer between units that aren't the same is not good, plain nd simple, you could just have 1 monarch cycling between the meta units from numerous updates

[mint canyon]

With most of this you missed the mechanic thats holding the suggestions back from being too generous while still giving you an option. The gamemode is generous but also very limited. Its not like ur gonna be ale to get tons of rerolls a week from doing it. It was mainly meant for the new content with shiny units and ascensions while allowing for other rewards to balance it out. Also the gamemode itself can be made to only allow for 5 runs weekly which balances everything out and doesnt require a lot of time. As for ascensions you are not required to get a new version of that unit just the resource. I can agree on the fact that shiny wouldnt feel special anymore but honestly it doesnt feel special rn either. The reason for that is because there isnt anything to it except the visual difference.

That doesnt matter as much tho what i wanted to see get added or fixed was the buff

you missed the point hold up

[green dirge]

The shop doesn't give you tons of rerolls, sure, but it has an INFINITE stock

[mint canyon]

inf stock that is locked behind a time gated currency

[green dirge]

The word infinite still plays a huge portion there, there's still quite literally an unlimited stock

[mint canyon]

that is true but if its made in a way where you can get 20 per week if you spent everything on rr

the prices need to be balanced and i wont be a problem

if that was a thing

[green dirge]

It still would be a problem, you also proposed giving buffing skins and quite literally everything possible in the game, you could literally just play this gamemode to get quite literally everything in the game

[mint canyon]

this gamemode was more or less just a way to implement both ascensions being added withouth the pain of needing another copy and shiny units

not really anything else

trait transfer isnt something id wish for either

im happy with how it is

but i still decided to make it a suggestion

[green dirge]

Shiny may not feel special to you because it's a visual difference, but that's quite literally the point
It was never meant to be a form of statistical buff, it was literally just there to serve as an alternative cosmetic that people could either chase or just be happy that they got randomly when getting the unit itself, having it give boosts is stupid because it just encourages people to chase a unit for quite possibly eons just to get on the level playing field as others

[mint canyon]

shiny units dont need to make a massive stat difference like the example but i can see the problem

[heady sphinx]

he wanted shinies to have a slight buff than normal units?

[mint canyon]

what about the ascesions.

[green dirge]

Not slight, it was 30% damage/15% spa/15% range

[heady sphinx]

wtf

[mint canyon]

you should read the doc to understand it

[mint canyon]

its an example that can be changed

it doesnt have to be this impactful

and thats not the point here either

[mint canyon]

.

[green dirge]

Well that's just spending weeks of your life grinding away to get minimal buffs according to the time you allocated, which in itself just isn't that great

[mint canyon]

Even if you dont actually need to get another copy of said unit?

If the shop was to get added it wouldnt be that hard to chase after one

[night meadow]

cook him, LocalTaxEvader

[green dirge]

Well you just said the average allocated timeframe was 2 weeks, assuming that stays consistent it'll be literally a month and a half to get minimal buffs

And that doesn't include the secondary reward an ascension needs

[mint canyon]

thats true but it doesnt have to be exactly like that

timeframes can be changed etc

[mint canyon]

?

[green dirge]

That should probably be considered before the suggestion is posted, I get that you want criticism but things like this shouldn't be hard to think about previously

[green dirge]

Ichigo's ascension
Requires:
1 Ichigo
Horn of Salvations

[mint canyon]

Not everything in suggestions need to be added and values can be changed

[green dirge]

If you're removing that part of the ascension it's basically an entirely seperate thing

[mint canyon]

i dont think everything is a bad idea

[mint canyon]

oh no that item would quite literally replace that

that wouldnt be bad tho

[green dirge]

You're not using the unit at all or any additional resources, it's just a separate minmaxing option that doesn't need to be added, there's already plenty you have to minmax purely off familiars
If you want the optimal units at their peak condition, it's including so many things that just serve as things you require to catch up with your competition

[mint canyon]

meybe keep the horn but besides that

[night meadow]

Don’t fold under pressure, LocalTaxEvader.

[mint canyon]

the item would just replace the additional unit thats it

[mint canyon]

its not like i can do anything this already got denied

[balmy dragon]

Use google docs or some online form of sharing, hardly anyone is gonna trust straight up files
(not that i agree with what i saw so far (in the thread, im not opening that))

[night meadow]

And how/who denied it

[mint canyon]

back to the buff conversation tho. It wouldnt make anyone stronger then before. It would only balance them out because the units that self buff get hurt by the additive buff stacking

[green dirge]

Do you want me to copy paste everything stated

[balmy dragon]

hell yea im curious

[green dirge]

SUGGESTIONS
Everything ill speak about is only a suggestion and i want to hear everyones feedback on this since some things may be a little bizzare.

BUFF STACKING:

Explanation
First tihing i wanna say it that buff stacking in this game is way better then in any other game but it still has a problem. The problem is very obvious whenever there is a stage that gives alot of damage buff to units such as ant raid or when a buff character wants to buff someone who already had 2x damage. To shorten… buffs are additive and thats a problem. Thats a problem because strong characters that buff themselves over the course of the game get buffed less then someone who doesnt buff themselves at all. Another problem is that buffers are not actually as impactful as they should be and i think buffers should be used more and actually make a big defferace in gameplay.

Solution
Ofcourse we cant multiply every number because that would cause characters such as ichigo etc. To reach godly numbers. So an easy way to fix it is that we only multiply certain buffs. Full passive line such as cids Lord of the shadow should not stack and should stay additive. All passive lines should be additive as well so that if theres a unit with 2 damage passives they dont get buffed by this change (To add on this: Personally id rether see different passive lines to multiply with eachother but that would require balance change for certain units for sure). While buffs from stages and units whos roles are to buff are multiplying. So (Passive 1) x or + (Passive 2 etc.) x (stage buff) x (characters that buff)

NEW CONTENT

RELICS
I know you guys said relics will not be getting added in the recent stage summary but at least hear me out. If we add more ways to maximise a character that means more long term content (If there isnt anything else to do ppl will farm for relics). With that i want to introduce 2 kinds of relics.

The first one being a random weapon or item from the show that isnt owned by anyone and can be equipped on any unit alongside familliers. Only adds stats such as damage, crit rate, crit dmg, % dmg reduction ignore etc. You can have as many of this as you want.

A specific weapon used by someone in the show that can be equipped to anyone alongside familliers that will grant the same buffs as the »first relic« if its not equipped on the correct unit. If it is equipped on a correct unit it buffs that units stats by an additional amount as well as adding an adittional passive to that character (Also getting rid of any downsides that character had before). Can be used to buff OLD characters before they get their 2nd evo or for character that cant be given additional evos. 1 per account.

To add on this: Elemental shards and phoenix shards should be usable on this as well.

NEW GAMEMODE
A new gamemode introducing new vanguard currency that can be used for alot of different stuff such as buying essentially anything in the game (trait rr, corruption shards, elemental shards, phoenix shards etc.) with infinity stock (P2W skins could also be added to the shop AND could actually increase the units stats since they are obtainable for everyone now but will be pricy). BUT the gamemode has a weekly limit of X number of runs with very high difficulty where you are required to utilise both relics, familliars and other upcoming stuff in my suggestions post. The difficuly should scale with updates. Should allow traits with a twist only one monarch allowed (If the player entered with more then one monarch every monarch besides the 1st equipped one sould be changed into ethereal).

For the sake of adding to this in the future suggestions ill call this the vanguard shop.

ASCENSIONS REWORK
Not really a rework. We should let units above the rarity of mythic be ascended as well! Now how do we make this work. Getting a 2nd secret/vanguard unit is hard so we can add an GEM that can replace the unit required for ascending (you an still ascent with the 2nd copy of a unit). This item should be added to the vanguard shop with 3 versions. Exclusive, secret and vanguard and each scaling with price (vanguard gem should prob require whole week or two of curreny). Any character above the rarity of mythic should only have 1 ASCENSION that is as impactful as 3 ascensions of mythics.

SHINY REWORK
I said it before and i wanna add on that. We need more ways to maximise our characters. One way to do this is to give shiny versions od characters additional stats (example:30%dmg,15%spa,15%rng) While also increasing the chances of a shiny unit from 1% to 10%. To add on this: We should add a shiny shard to the game obtainable from the vanguard shop that can shiny any character in the game.

TRAIT TRANSFER
This is a very controversial suggestion and I wouldnt want it in the game either. UNLESS its really well executed. Thats why ive been thinking of adding another item to the vanguard store that would allow you to transfer your trait. This item should require 1month or more of farming that curreny without spending any of it to be able to buy it. Alongside this item you would also need to spend 200 trait rr, lots of gems and coins and even 500-1k rift shards to move one trait. Players would be faced with a choice to eiter save for this or spend on other items which will now become really important for the game such as ascension gems or shiny shards (if this gets added).

To add on this: When it comes to character getting their 2nd evo their trait is kept as well so for the sake of making some 2nd evo units harder to get and keeping the same trait keeping potential without that being really expensive like the suggestion above we could instead of giving some characters a 2nd evo they would get their new from introduced in an event banner with vanguard rarity (This should be rare and only used for strong »evolutions«). We could introduce a new concept of character names: Characters that have the same name or are the same character with a different form such as »saber« and »dark saber« or »song jinwu« and »song jinwo and igros« should have the ability to have their traits transferred withouth the item and for cheaper.

QUALITY OF LIFE

• If you get a 2nd version of a shiny unit after you alr evolved and rolled on a normal version of that unit you can sacrefice the shiny unit to the normal unit and change the normal one into a shiny.
• Option to disable familliar visibility in game.

[balmy dragon]

Thank you

[mint canyon]

So do you understand the situation behind my buff suggestion

its not meant to buff anyone

the point is keeping self buffing units on equal ground as those who dont do it in stages that give buffs

and so that units with current 200% dmg get a 20% dmg incrase from a 10% buffer

to make an example ill take both aizen and cid

aizen doesnt buff his dmg stat. so he 100% and will get buffed by 18% so 118% by haruka while cid with 200% would go up to 218% and not 236%

that part should multiply

[mint canyon]

say it directly. how am i suppost to know what you mean with this

[atomic pendant]

it directly

[mint canyon]

heh

thats not even an expession i can judge from

[balmy dragon]

Buff Stacking
Ywach 1 billion damage, Ragna 1 quadrillion damage, just no

Skin Buff
No. (also why would Monarch users get free Ethereal swaps? Just let them equip other units)

Shiny Buff
No. Hell no. I played since release and yet still have only gotten 2 shinies, despite over 1.6 million gems spent and owning shiny hunter. Never. 0.5%×10% is insanely low still. Not to mention, this incredibly p2w due to Shiny Hunter.

Trait Transfer
No. This ruins the game loop. People would simply transfer their shit monarchs to the latest units every update. Player counts would dwindle and the game would die.

[mint canyon]

those number for buffs wouldnt happen

[mint canyon]

i explained it here

and passives wouldnt be stacking with eachother

besides ragna already has that

1 placement goes up to 140% from 100%

so next base dmg is 140%

[balmy dragon]

So (Passive 1) x or + (Passive 2 etc.) x (stage buff) x (characters that buff)
This says the opposite.
(Passive 1) × (characters that buff) is 200% × 1.18, not 200% + 18%

[mint canyon]

thats y every attack from his passive 1 on 2nd placement is +14% now

up to 196%

try it

so then y dont we do the same for buffers

[mint canyon]

from a buffer

not from the same unit

[balmy dragon]

(yea its his entire gimmick that makes him incredibly good and will always stay relevant...)

[balmy dragon]

yea haruka rin is a buffer

ywach's own 200% would be multiplied by harukas +18% with your formula

[mint canyon]

he is no longer relevant

only in odyssey

[balmy dragon]

LOL

alright well that was enough for me

[mint canyon]

if he isnt top 4 he sint relevant just get the best 4 units for the gamemode

and hes only good in odyssey or boss rush

[mental widget]

I cant open the doc

[mint canyon]

someone alr copy pasted it

[mental widget]

?

thi

this

[light perch]

No

[mint canyon]

no

[light perch]

Further up

[mental widget]

lemins?

[mint canyon]

unless i keep explaining everything like im talking to a baby it does seem like a bad suggestion

[mint canyon]

yes

[mental widget]

also

i have shiny gogeta

does that make me op

[mint canyon]

whats the point if ur not gonna take it seriously

[mental widget]

become this suggestion kinda eh

skin and shiny are p2w

[mint canyon]

ok so we ignore that part

next

[mental widget]

then others got no opinion on

[mint canyon]

what about the buff

its the thing that botheres me the most

do you understand the whole point behind it

or are you one of those who only say it would buff some units when it wouldnt

[mental widget]

is buff stacking multipled

[mint canyon]

wdym

is it rn?

no

[mental widget]

idk what you meant by buff stacking

[mint canyon]

.

[mental widget]

hm

[balmy dragon]

That is literally a buff

[mental widget]

yeah no opinion

[balmy dragon]

18% < 36%

[mint canyon]

if she buffs by 18% then it should be 18% even on 200% unit

in the first place that shouldnt count as a buff but as a base dmg buff

[balmy dragon]

That just buffs the already incredibly powerful units

While simulatenously making non-self buffers even weaker

100% × 18% × 10% is weaker than 100% + 18% + 10%

you literally achieve the opposite of what you want (depending on how you multiply them together, either way its bad)

[mental widget]

is that you

[atomic pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-cat-shoo-biscuit-gif-8024642674144447563

wheres my 700 rrs zhryko

Im still waiting

[mental widget]

No

bud