Should fix the wl problem
#Cid rebalancing/rework
tepid lily
tepid lily
I dont think so
tepid lily
I doubt you can get 13 mil that way
restive lake
😭
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Who hired this guy
restive lake
Yeah someone changed it, his swaps are counting before he unlocks nuke for some reason
Still gonna do all the other changes just incase but that has to get fixed
100%
prisma abyss
THIS SUGGESTION STINKS
thin grail
40m nuke in 15 waves is insane wtf
cloud herald
Still gonna do all the other changes just incase but that has to get fixed
Damn that's how it's supposed to be?
That's significant
thin grail
Why did they count the swaps from before he reached the final upgrade 💀
restive lake
That's significant
Thats how it was originally designed
specifically to stop goofy stuff
cloud herald
Is that still gonna be how it works or nah
Are we gonna have both the limit and that now
cloud herald
Damn
wintry cliff
Yeah someone changed it, his swaps are counting before he unlocks nuke for some ...
Supposed to be like that (probably)
Bro ur not stacking after maxing 100k in story or worldlines
tepid lily
Supposed to be like that (probably)
Yea bro tell the dev how the unit was actually supposed to work
wintry cliff
Yea bro tell the dev how the unit was actually supposed to work
Well Goku is like that so idk
wintry cliff
Yea bro tell the dev how the unit was actually supposed to work
Just hoping not too big of a nerf
cloud herald
Just hoping not too big of a nerf
Not being able to stack before max upg is definitely a huge nerf
I think you're just always better off using john smith now
Besides inf
raw flint
Just hoping not too big of a nerf
Ye same
wintry cliff
Not being able to stack before max upg is definitely a huge nerf
ATP older cid would be better XD
raw flint
I want him to still be good for tourney's but not gutted where he can't be used at all
cloud herald
I want him to still be good for tourney's but not gutted where he can't be used ...
I think just capping at 1000% would've been enough ngl preventing him from stacking before max upg is
wintry cliff
200/250% 
wintry cliff
I think just capping at 1000% would've been enough ngl preventing him from stack...
But he works around swaps no?
cloud herald
But he works around swaps no?
What?
wintry cliff
It stacks to a certain % then x amount of swaps
cloud herald
It stacks to a certain % then x amount of swaps
Yeah I get that
But he's no longer gonna be able to stack swaps before max upg
Which is kinda insane
Idrc though tbh just the fact he's good for inf finally is enough
wintry cliff
Which is kinda insane
Yea if he becomes like that not worth using in any modes except tournament or inf
cloud herald
Yea if he becomes like that not worth using in any modes except tournament or in...
He's being made like that
Check valk's messages
In this chat
wintry cliff
Gg
cloud herald
Just stick with john smith for anything besides inf ig
olive glen
idk how theyre gonna balance this nuke tbh
cloud herald
idk how theyre gonna balance this nuke tbh
Capping it at 1000% outside of inf, and making so only swaps done after max upg count for nuke
wintry cliff
Cuz like ur gonna need to farm 200 kills after swapping
cloud herald
Yeah I think the latter might be too much lol
olive glen
Capping it at 1000% outside of inf, and making so only swaps done after max upg ...
eh both of those seem too harsh
1000% isnt much
thin grail
Tbh when i first saw the buff I thought it was pretty insane to begin with
cloud herald
eh both of those seem too harsh
1000% is good enough
The other one might be too much
1000% mapwide is strong as is
olive glen
1000% is good enough
1000% is only x10 damage
thin grail
He's just gonna be better Goku if they cap it at 1000%
tough kraken
he's gonna be unusable if its 1000%
olive glen
literally
lord of shadows cid without monarch does 43k damage and with 1000% thats only 430k danage
shadow onyx
he's gonna be unusable if its 1000%
yes
wintry cliff
he's gonna be unusable if its 1000%
cloud herald
1000% is only x10 damage
That's okay
For progressives
2.6m mapwide nuke is good
Sjwv is also just 10x
olive glen
Sjwv is also just 10x
i think ur forgetting the fact that lord of shadows has no use outside the nuke
unlike goku and vsjw
cloud herald
i think ur forgetting the fact that lord of shadows has no use outside the nuke
Ig?
40k full aoe dps with a mapwide nuke is good
Goku's best use is literally being a support so
thin grail
Wow I fucked this up really badly 💀
wintry cliff
Sjwv is also just 10x
Did bro forget the 3-4m steel
olive glen
Goku's best use is literally being a support so
funny cuz vegito does much higher dps than cid
u cant be giving cid an average nuke when nuking is his only purpose
he is too strong rn though
cloud herald
funny cuz vegito does much higher dps than cid
Yeah vegito is even more difficult to get in shorter modes, and is a circle
olive glen
Yeah vegito is even more difficult to get in shorter modes, and is a circle
still a difference in versatility and usefulness that cid doesnt have
olive glen
Vegito is NOT more versatile than cid
goku as a unit as a whole
vegito is just 1 of 3
leaden bough
goku as a unit as a whole
u don’t rlly get to use vegito tho
wintry cliff
Cid is useless John smith is alr
tough kraken
Vegito is NOT more versatile than cid
he is
leaden bough
unless it’s a 30/20 wave game mode
wintry cliff
u don’t rlly get to use vegito tho
We got the vegito buff that have been suggested
They buffed him by 500% dmg
🔥
leaden bough
They buffed him by 500% dmg
😭😭😭
cloud herald
🔥
leaden bough
buff naruto 🙏🙏🙏
cloud herald
Don't forget the 175% holy
tough kraken
unironically no upg vegito > cid
leaden bough
Don't forget the 175% holy
isn’t there like energy drain tho?
thin grail
unironically no upg vegito > cid
True
cloud herald
isn’t there like energy drain tho?
The 500% damage is overhead
So he just goes down to 400% due to energy drain
hazy light
Yeah someone changed it, his swaps are counting before he unlocks nuke for some ...
can we please not change that
thin grail
Couldn't they just halve his swap stacks to balance him out
wintry cliff
unironically no upg vegito > cid
60k > 100k+ 💀
cloud herald
Does energy drain count for that?
tight stratus
leaden bough
unironically no upg vegito > cid
cid does 48k dps with full passives
cloud herald
Arent the counterattack's just for like boss attacks and whatnot
tough kraken
cid does 48k dps with full passives
vegito does that on placement
wintry cliff
cid does 48k dps with full passives
Yea full passives
Where u gonna find 200 random enemies in story or worldlines when u done stacking
tight stratus
Can cid do this?
leaden bough
Where u gonna find 200 random enemies in story or worldlines when u done stackin...
ofc vegito is better in normal modes
leaden bough
Can cid do this?
visual???
wintry cliff
ofc vegito is better in normal modes
Well can we get cid as at least useable in normal modes
100k per 6.4s
tight stratus
Wdym visual that is juat his normal dmg no buffs
tight stratus
Well can we get cid as at least useable in normal modes
Making cid nuke better than assassination on prog doesn't seem right
We know u got monarch cid kimly
cloud herald
Can cid do this?
Vergil fodder 🥱
wintry cliff
We know u got monarch cid kimly
I got monarch on him for John smitch
wintry cliff
Then this buff came
tight stratus
I got monarch on him for John smitch
I mean yea john smith is valid there
leaden bough
(but it’s a flex)
cloud herald
u don’t even have monarch vegito
Why would I monarch the best support unit in the game?
tight stratus
u don’t even have monarch vegito
I mean vegito is ass let's be real
wintry cliff
I nuked 100m boss with -90 blast
tight stratus
Eth good for support
final dome
Why would I monarch the best support unit in the game?
Sup king
thin grail
I think cutting the nukes damage in half like this 600% × 23 × 0.5 seems reasonable let's be honest nobody's gonna be able to get 600 in short gamemodes anyways once they fix him counting swaps before max upgrade
leaden bough
Why would I monarch the best support unit in the game?
why won’t u shower 🥀🥀🥀
cloud herald
winter panther
Rework ragna 👻
cloud herald
ik u were quoting urself
As I said I was quoting mr 36 monarchs
leaden bough
As I said I was quoting mr 36 monarchs
also correcting the jamaican dollar joke 😭😭😭
i mean
cloud herald
leaden bough
gogeta friend or smth to talk with
cloud herald
wintry cliff
I think cutting the nukes damage in half like this 600% × 23 × 0.5 seems reasona...
NOBODY GONNA BE GETTING THAT ON 15 waves if they nerf it like that
thin grail
NOBODY GONNA BE GETTING THAT ON 15 waves if they nerf it like that
Yeah that's the point nobody should get that much damage 💀
cloud herald
If they're not then they clearly aren't playing AV with their life on the line
wintry cliff
Alr let’s nerf goku and vegeta too
cloud herald
🔥
wintry cliff
Stack swaps when maxed
cloud herald
😭
thin grail
Alr let’s nerf goku and vegeta too
Nerfing already mid units kinda crazy 
wintry cliff
Nerfing already mid units kinda crazy <:BBCookie:1224771951642415155>
bro
Cant we just nerf the dmg
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tight stratus
Let's just buff valentine🔥
tough kraken
no bro no
tight stratus
wintry cliff
Let's just buff valentine🔥
I think we can all agree on this one
worldly patio
valentine nerf required
cloud herald
Yeah fr
tight stratus
valentine nerf required
shadow onyx
valentine nerf required
make him heall the enemies pls
thin grail
Can't believe they did SBR like that💔
tough kraken
ive gotten nothing but nerfs to my bad monarchs
cloud herald
Let's make his circle the same as Ragna
wintry cliff
He might be the most broken passion unit
worldly patio
valentine should redirect attacks on enemies on ur team instead
this is the true love train
modest oxide
valentine should redirect attacks on enemies on ur team instead
Yes lemin I agreew ith this
cloud herald
He might be the most broken passion unit
If we delete esdeath from the game fr
shadow onyx
valentine should redirect attacks on enemies on ur team instead
fire
modest oxide
worldly patio
Yes lemin I agreew ith this
thank you drew
tight stratus
He might be the most broken passion unit
Best passion unit after the 5 passion units that exist in game
cloud herald
Best passion unit after the 5 passion units that exist in game
Ion think it's 5
What even are the good passion units
tight stratus
Yea its more
tight stratus
What even are the good passion units
Supports mainly
tight stratus
Esdeath medusa todo all i can think of rn
cloud herald
Medusa is
shadow onyx
the bp unit
wintry cliff
U missing out
final dome
Yea its more<:Fade:1367107897221189632>
Is cid getting nerfed?
wintry cliff
Sasori
cloud herald
Deidera?
tight stratus
Is cid getting nerfed?
According to valk i think
cloud herald
Is cid getting nerfed?
Yes
final dome
According to valk i think
Who is valk?
tight stratus
Balancer
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a fraud
cloud herald
Oh subaru is passion i think
tight stratus
Oh subaru is passion i think
True
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yea he is
tight stratus
Ain't u a balamver too
Yes
wintry cliff
Ye
tight stratus
Not my call sadly
worldly patio
gohary balanced vegito
tight stratus
gohary balanced vegito
No
wintry cliff
Gohary gonna buff vegito soon
worldly patio
yeah all of vegito was because of gohary
final dome
Not my call sadly
If they Nerf cid tell them to reset tournament alr
worldly patio
gohary is asking for vegito nerfs btw
cloud herald
gohary balanced vegito
My favourite full aoe slow unit 🔥 🔥 🔥
wintry cliff
We all know why
tight stratus
yeah all of vegito was because of gohary
U will be getting fired
worldly patio
My favourite full aoe slow unit 🔥 🔥 🔥
my favourite full aoe stun unit
shadow onyx
wintry cliff
My favourite waiting 3m for nuke unit
tight stratus
If they Nerf cid tell them to reset tournament alr
We will reset tourneys and potentially inf lb if it goes out of hand
wintry cliff
We will reset tourneys and potentially inf lb if it goes out of hand
Yes sir
cloud herald
We will reset tourneys and potentially inf lb if it goes out of hand
Probably did
20m nuke in wl 💀
shadow onyx
my favourite full aoe stun unit
i assume if cid got nerfed is every lb beside inf getting reset 💀
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We will reset tourneys and potentially inf lb if it goes out of hand
why did u make cid op
worldly patio
i assume if cid got nerfed is every lb beside inf getting reset 💀
idunno
cloud herald
i assume if cid got nerfed is every lb beside inf getting reset 💀
Yeah I already told the wl lb sweats
worldly patio
depends on how fucked wl is because of it
wintry cliff
Ah the wl reset we all love
shadow onyx
!
cloud herald
Chop chop buddy those 210 floors ain't doing themselves
wintry cliff
Gohary leaked
final dome
We will reset tourneys and potentially inf lb if it goes out of hand
Umm can u kindly do Nerf cid on last day of tourny so I can get top 5
tight stratus
i assume if cid got nerfed is every lb beside inf getting reset 💀
Actually making him stack only after unlocking nuke affects inf lb aswell
Cid has a 2.4 spa
On upg 0
Lol
wintry cliff
Actually making him stack only after unlocking nuke affects inf lb aswell
That shit is so ass
cloud herald
Yeah kinda does
worldly patio
yeah ok buddy ichigo (@DEEPFF123456) it sounds like youre attempting to bug abuse for personal gain
shadow onyx
yeah ok buddy ichigo (@DEEPFF123456) it sounds like youre attempting to bug abus...
uh oh
worldly patio
this is NOT allowed, @tight stratus will ensure proper punishment is given
cloud herald
wintry cliff
Lemon caught a bug abuser
tight stratus
this is NOT allowed, <@661920917831811082> will ensure proper punishment is give...
@ mods
final dome
<:Monarch:1288208449234145361>
Did u get any new recent monarchs ?
wintry cliff
@ bug police
tight stratus
😭
final dome
wintry cliff
💀
shadow onyx
its joever
cloud herald
Smh
tight stratus
Are y'all planning to nerf Yhwach?
No
cloud herald
Did u get any new recent monarchs ?
Been saving since Vergil
cloud herald
The next best unit for me to roll on would be cid and I don't plan on rolling on one trick ponies 🔥
shadow onyx
wow
final dome
Been saving since Vergil
Vergil lowkey been down in tournament since changes
shadow onyx
gohary is lowkey good balancer!
cloud herald
Vergil lowkey been down in tournament since changes
Wdym?
final dome
The next best unit for me to roll on would be cid and I don't plan on rolling on...
Don't roll on support unit
worldly patio
"Vergil" "Down", yeah wtf are we on about right there
final dome
He's meta for this one
Nah cid and Goku is
worldly patio
Is he even meta for this one
cloud herald
And no unit is meta when yhwach is usable
wintry cliff
Is he even meta for this one
Yes
final dome
Is he even meta for this one
Nah
worldly patio
I thought meta was just juicing tf out of Vegito
worldly patio
oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
cloud herald
Is he even meta for this one
The best traits strat I saw was vegito Vergil esdeath katakuri alu
wintry cliff
Ur not surviving early traits without him
worldly patio
yeah forgot about that part
wintry cliff
The best traits strat I saw was vegito Vergil esdeath katakuri alu
Mine better
hazy light
Enderian ppmmoo
worldly patio
oh yeah blast is nerfed so vegito is fucking useless early
wintry cliff
But mine expensive
final dome
The best traits strat I saw was vegito Vergil esdeath katakuri alu
Trait or traitless?
cloud herald
Enderian ppmmoo
Scream from the haters, got a nice ring to it
iron swift
wait so is cid buff accidentally too much and he is getting fixed?
cloud herald
Trait or traitless?
Traits
hazy light
Scream from the haters, got a nice ring to it
Shut up
final dome
Traits
The best trait strat I saw was monarch goku cid esdeath Vergil alucard and takaroda
hazy light
I guess every superhero need his theme music
Shut up
wintry cliff
@tight stratus maybe u need ur testers to test the buff before releasing
cloud herald
The best trait strat I saw was monarch goku cid esdeath Vergil alucard and takar...
Cid is getting nerfed a good bit in progressives so
hazy light
Cid is getting nerfed a good bit in progressives so
Shut up
final dome
Cid is getting nerfed a good bit in progressives so
I mean still like that's thebnest one currently
shadow onyx
yeah forgot about that part
tester being short circuited again 💔
final dome
Cid is getting nerfed a good bit in progressives so
I hope cid gets nerfed to ground
hazy light
Warn him
tight stratus
<@661920917831811082> maybe u need ur testers to test the buff before releasing
They r lazy what can i say
wintry cliff
They r lazy what can i say
Damn
hazy light
Yea bad word
shadow onyx
i dont do tourneys
when will u?!
hazy light
Warn him
worldly patio
when will u?!
uh ill probably start this one cus why not
final dome
I am gonna win the aba gamenihght when even is it?
wintry cliff
Do we get exp from talking in here
cloud herald
No
hazy light
Shut up
wintry cliff
uh ill probably start this one cus why not
Yes then u will have more bugs to report
shadow onyx
uh ill probably start this one cus why not
ye this is like one of the easiest tourney rn bcs of 500% super vegito 💀
worldly patio
ye this is like one of the easiest tourney rn bcs of 500% super vegito 💀
yea i just wanted to see one to turn my brain off
final dome
ye this is like one of the easiest tourney rn bcs of 500% super vegito 💀
Might get reset don't do tourny till last day
hazy light
uh ill probably start this one cus why not
Are all testers testing pvp rn? Poor pyseph testing infinite lag all on his own 😢
shadow onyx
Might get reset don't do tourny till last day
alrdy donetounrey lol its alrdy planned to being reset bcs of cid nerf
hazy light
cloud herald
Sea salt I need you sea salt
final dome
alrdy donetounrey lol its alrdy planned to being reset bcs of cid nerf
I hope they change buffed unit to cid for the memes after him getting nerfed
hazy light
https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gi...
Yea but he can’t find the cause
cloud herald
I hope blast is debuffed for the next 4 tourneys in a row
hazy light
I hope blast is debuffed for the next 4 tourneys in a row
Shut up
final dome
I hope blast is debuffed for the next 4 tourneys in a row
I lowkey hate blast
shadow onyx
Yea but he can’t find the cause
@tight stratus 🤫
worldly patio
more energy drain tournaments please!
tight stratus
<@661920917831811082> 🤫
final dome
more energy drain tournaments please!
Ong
shadow onyx
more energy drain tournaments please!
means more vergil tourney and yhawch tourney 💔
wintry cliff
Yea but he can’t find the cause
Can u find him the cause
cloud herald
more energy drain tournaments please!
Genuinely as bad as flying enemies would be istg
worldly patio
means more vergil tourney and yhawch tourney 💔
yes and I have both of them monarch
hazy light
Can u find him the cause
I’m good
worldly patio
why do you think I want that to happen
hazy light
worldly patio
I simply can monopolise my monarchs
shadow onyx
😭
hazy light
@cloud herald shut up
shadow onyx
Can y'all gimme luck so I get fortune farm
bro telling me to give him luck when i got the worst
do u want it
hazy light
final dome
bro telling me to give him luck when i got the worst
Yea
hazy light
final dome
i have monarch ragnaw and gojo only
With ur luck I might not get monarch speed
hazy light
shadow onyx
🤑
hazy light
With ur luck I might not get monarch speed
I have 3 monarchs farms
wintry cliff
Can y'all gimme luck so I get fortune farm
I send u my luck
Now go roll 100 rr on farms
final dome
I send u my luck
🙏🏻
final dome
Now go roll 100 rr on farms
I got 0 rr
I stopped grinding rr after rr nerf
Sadly
I js do daily and weekly now
final dome
Bro doesn’t know the new method
Can u enlighten me
prisma abyss
Can u enlighten me
Frieren dupe
final dome
Frieren dupe
Idk how that works
hazy light
Can u enlighten me
Katakuri dupe
final dome
Katakuri dupe
????
prisma abyss
Katakuri dupe
@darecki@darecki@darecki
hazy light
Figure it out on your own
final dome
Imma report y'all to mods
hazy light
Imma report y'all to mods
❤️❤️❤️
prisma abyss
Imma report y'all to mods
hazy light
Imma report y'all to mods
Salmon oddyssey gem farm plus challenges
50k gems per 12 hours
I shiny your epics
hazy light
No don't do that
Why not
cloud herald
<@1039385782064009237> shut up
half marsh
Lbs shld be fine tho right? Its a buff, not a nerf
cloud herald
Lbs shld be fine tho right? Its a buff, not a nerf
💀
half marsh
💀have i misunderstood smt
cloud herald
Do you think lbs would be fine if there's a 40m nuke in wave 15 modes going around
Full map at that
half marsh
Nono i dont disagree with the fact that that looks stupidly broken 😭😭
hazy light
Lbs shld be fine tho right? Its a buff, not a nerf
Yea it’s a massive infinite buff
half marsh
But like what i mean is
noble sage
ddi they nerf him or no
hazy light
ddi they nerf him or no
No buffed
half marsh
The waves reached will only increasee right ?
noble sage
wdym
half marsh
It wont decrease
So its not like prev scores are no longer attainable
Rather, theyre way too easy to attain
noble sage
In infinite instead of 50% dmg per swap it’s 600 now
ik that did they nerf or no
hazy light
ik that did they nerf or no
No
half marsh
ik that did they nerf or no
Not yet
noble sage
its perfectly balanced dont nerf
tepid lily
They will nerf him soon because hes broken even outside of infinite now
cloud herald
The waves reached will only increasee right ?
Its obviously not intended. Nobody thinks it's a good idea for a character to have that much damage by wave 15.
tepid lily
its perfectly balanced dont nerf
Yea 40 mil nuke in 15 waves is not balanced
half marsh
Its obviously not intended. Nobody thinks it's a good idea for a character to ha...
Im not saying that ofc not
noble sage
Yea 40 mil nuke in 15 waves is not balanced
who cares
olive glen
They will nerf him soon because hes broken even outside of infinite now
hopefully they dont reset him back to be useless
half marsh
But wl lb will only need to be reset if they nerf it again right ?
tepid lily
No he will still be the same as he is now in infinite
cloud herald
No??
noble sage
But wl lb will only need to be reset if they nerf it again right ?
they wont nerf till update
half marsh
Why should lbs have to be reset due to a buff?
cloud herald
Bro him being this strong is an oversight in of itself
noble sage
caz they gotta reset the inf too
half marsh
Im confused
tepid lily
Wl wont reset at the start of 6.0
cloud herald
they wont nerf till update
Valk said he's doing it whenever pyseph is available so
half marsh
Because this buff may as well be a big
No but
Theyll only reset wl AFTER they nerf him back right ???
tepid lily
No but
Theyll only reset wl AFTER they nerf him back right ???
If they do reset wl, then yes
half marsh
Not rn??
cloud herald
And it's gonna have to get nerfed unless you want the meta for tourneys and wl to be "stall till wave 15 with autoskip off and then launch the 100m nuke"
tepid lily
Why would they reset before changing anything
half marsh
And it's gonna have to get nerfed unless you want the meta for tourneys and wl t...
Yeah nono i understand
half marsh
Why would they reset before changing anything
No cuz i got confused thinking ppl are saying wl lb shld be reset due to the buff
That doesnt make sense right? I was being stupid right ?
tepid lily
Wl lb will probably be reset in 6.0 anyways since a lot of bugs tend to happej
Every update
cloud herald
Yeah it's definitely getting reset. The alternate is making it so that the next tourney also gets fully cooked alongside this one. And wl too
thin grail
Has to do with that fact that cid runs through world line quite easily
half marsh
Yeah it's definitely getting reset. The alternate is making it so that the next ...
Lmao real
Kk understood
final dome
Omg..? They hack?
There farm got infected after they server got nuke and leak
hazy light
There farm got infected after they server got nuke and leak
omg..?
hazy light
Yes did u not read?
infection..?
final dome
infection..?
Infect like fendi tryna hack people by infectin some farms
hazy light
Infect like fendi tryna hack people by infectin some farms
omg...
cloud herald
Fendi did in fact add malware to his shit
final dome
Fendi did in fact add malware to his shit
Yes
half marsh
💀 🙏
glossy saffron
<@79327043182919680> did py reply to the nerf idea by valk?
I haven't heard anything yet.
noble sage
i think the swap before ability made the unit so op before
tepid lily
Honestly it shouldnt matter since you cant get that many swaps after buying a 100k unit
noble sage
so it wont be that good if its only when after ability
tepid lily
Its a good nerf
untold sonnet
damn no more waiting on attack 1 to farm swaps because it is the fastest over the other attacks
glossy saffron
It might not solve everything
there's still going to be people turning off auto skip wave to stall out and farm a bit too much nuke
opal star
Make it limited swaps per wave
short egret
just delete bro from the game
opal star
Update 5.5 was a mistake
noble sage
there's still going to be people turning off auto skip wave to stall out and far...
well
swaps are now heavyly nerfed
caz it takes more time / waves to max him out
so its an good nerf
short egret
caz it takes more time / waves to max him out
i really dont see a use for him now besides inf
glossy saffron
Make it limited swaps per wave
That would kill the entire point of having it scale up for infinites
glossy saffron
The nuke wasn't supposed to be very usable outside of infinites
short egret
idc its good now
sybau
glossy saffron
He's still a good unit otherwise though
short egret
u not placing on lbs anyway
short egret
He's still a good unit otherwise though
but for what, i could get way more value using other units
noble sage
i believe it was never meant to take in the swaps before the ability appeared
am i correct gurt?
glossy saffron
He's a near full aoe unit with solid enough placement damage that does more per attack
glossy saffron
i believe it was never meant to take in the swaps before the ability appeared
correct
patent arrow
Update 5.5 was a mistake
Delete cid and give compensation
Add him back when units get more powerful
🔥🔥🔥
glossy saffron
Why would we do that
patent arrow
Why would we do that
We wont do cid dirty
short egret
atleast reset tourneys
noble sage
atleast reset tourneys
that sounds fair
noble sage
We wont do cid dirty
they didnt do him dirty
glossy saffron
And? They didn't really do him dirty, he's still a good unit
noble sage
cid is top 1 on par with vsjw
patent arrow
🥀
noble sage
bro
opal star
cid is top 1 on par with vsjw
Blasphemy
noble sage
inf and 20 wave gamemode exists
where u can techinicaly do more damg than vsjw
does
cid solos
full aoe
full map nuke
u can stop the sku
skip
build that shit up
do a ton
wat more u want
hes perfect now
short egret
thats ass bro
noble sage
fuck u noob ass
short egret
look at who is talking
short egret
does cid do 30k placement with a 200k summon right of the get go?
short egret
@glossy saffron tourney gonna get reset?
raw flint
look at who is talking
LOLLLL
noble sage
cid isnt even close to the utility vsjw has 😭
full map nuke
short egret
even in infs vsjw massively clears
tepid lily
Yhwach better than both
tepid lily
even in infs vsjw massively clears
Now we are just lying
raw flint
It do be facts tho
No lol
short egret
Now we are just lying
tepid lily
This is literally sjws arise summons
glossy saffron
<@79327043182919680> tourney gonna get reset?
Probably
tepid lily
Great they damaged an enemy that was already gonna die anyway
raw flint
Doesn't that nerf just affect every lb in general<:a_sip:1349239642893062165>
Bro wants everything reset
raw flint
tepid lily
Yea but now old scores are unobtainable
tight stratus
Bro wants everything reset
Everyone suffers
short egret
cuz holy it was broken
glossy saffron
Probably not inf
raw flint
Yea but now old scores are unobtainable
Ye we know
glossy saffron
I doubt it changed that much for infs
tepid lily
It changed nothing
tight stratus
Probably not inf
From 2.4 spa for swaps to 6.4 is a big change tho..
forest comet
From 2.4 spa for swaps to 6.4 is a big change tho..
4.8 John to 4
tight stratus
4.8 John to 4
-.8 spa +4 spa
noble sage
4.8 John to 4
wats this i dont get it
tepid lily
It doesnt matter whether the nuke does 1b or 2b damage
raw flint
We all using cid for short content 
tepid lily
It still one shots 1 wave
short egret
We all using cid for short content <a:catwaddle:1365981661329625179>
better tell ur viewrs tourney is likely to reset
noble sage
xopt let me edit
last cloak
We all using cid for short content <a:catwaddle:1365981661329625179>
aint u the guy from youtube
raw flint
better tell ur viewrs tourney is likely to reset
I already told them that cid will get changed
tepid lily
better tell ur viewrs tourney is likely to reset
Who watches tournament vids day 1
raw flint
Well sad that the fun ended
tepid lily
Just wait for thursday
raw flint
Who watches tournament vids day 1
Lots of ppl
I get most views on day 1 or final day
In between it just depends
tight stratus
In between it just depends
Where is cc role
raw flint
aint u the guy from youtube
tepid lily
Hes not relevant enough
raw flint
Where is cc role
tight stratus
Hes not relevant enough
@raw flint catching strays
tight stratus
raw flint
Wowwwww you want a medal?
tepid lily
Dont play with me
🌙 turns into sigma wolf 🐺
raw flint
Who watches tournament vids day 1
Days not even over
final dome
Wowwwww you want a medal?
Xopt we workin overtime or nah?
short egret
@tepid lily
tepid lily
Days not even over
You making it out of the hood with this one
short egret
hmm
ionic basin
Youre welcome croskilicous
youre really pmoing me off rn\
short egret
Youre welcome croskilicous
u made him ass again
tepid lily
So a 40 mill nuke was somehow fair?
raw flint
Xopt we workin overtime or nah?
I cant play rn
tepid lily
after 30 swaps
Alright lets assume he only gets a 10 mill nuke. Thats still fucking broken
ionic basin
So WE are resetting wl lb right?
raw flint
So WE are resetting wl lb right?
Don't think traitless WL lbs were effected
raw flint
Its not av if the lb doesnt reset
But probably will happen
tepid lily
They will definitely reset it in 6.0 anyway
noble sage
tepid lily
Guaranteed there will be bugs
raw flint
xopt let me edit
Edit what?
noble sage
Edit what?
ur video ;-; wat else
noble sage
So much work goes into them after all
bro could just give me the footage i be doing it for lowest price lol
glossy saffron
<@1206982591094333492>
That was literally how he was always supposed to work
short egret
That was literally how he was always supposed to work
🤫 im hating for no reason at all let me
cloud herald
That was literally how he was always supposed to work
Is the 1000% cap outside of inf still coming or nah
olive glen
skull cid is going back to being a shitter with how things are looking
cloud herald
John smith is good outside of inf and cid is meta defining in inf, I think this is a decent outcome
olive glen
John smith is good outside of inf and cid is meta defining in inf, I think this ...
there are zero good inf gamemodes rn so i disagree
cloud herald
Cid shouldn't be leagues above other raid/raid esk units like choy anyway
Inf is one of two leaderboards rn so
glossy saffron
Is the 1000% cap outside of inf still coming or nah
supposedly
I dunno why people think it's such a unit killing change
cloud herald
Objectively speaking inf is one of the more important modes to be good in for someone who's endgame
cloud herald
I dunno why people think it's such a unit killing change
He's kinda just back to where he was
glossy saffron
Unit is just too oppressive in any gamemode without a cap
tepid lily
If only inf didnt lag like crazy
glossy saffron
Now he's just back to being solid
cloud herald
Yeah currently he's way too stupid
olive glen
Objectively speaking inf is one of the more important modes to be good in for so...
considering like 0.0001% of the playerbase does inf lb and theres no other 50 wave gamemode i heavily disagree
hot ether
61 stars and 2600 messages what the hell
cloud herald
Wave skip off, todo around, stall
cloud herald
To get hits to build up bar
olive glen
if cid gets capped at 1000% outside of inf along with the buffs not stacking before the nuke it is absolutely over for cid
cloud herald
considering like 0.0001% of the playerbase does inf lb and theres no other 50 wa...
Still one of the only 2 pieces of endgame content
wicked pike
cid still good yall ?
tepid lily
Thats more of a problem with the game lacking endgame
tepid lily
cid still good yall ?
In infinite yea
glossy saffron
if cid gets capped at 1000% outside of inf along with the buffs not stacking bef...
??
wicked pike
In infinite yea
💔 my reaction
cloud herald
Capped at 1000% is fair and should've been the case anyways, the swaps before maxing not counting might be kinda harsh but idk
wicked pike
i never play infinite
tepid lily
You literally cant reach 1000% in 15 stages I dont think
olive glen
Capped at 1000% is fair and should've been the case anyways, the swaps before ma...
absolutely not
glossy saffron
What do you mean "buffs not stacking"
cloud herald
Absolutely yes
olive glen
What do you mean "buffs not stacking"
swaps
glossy saffron
Capped at 1000% is fair and should've been the case anyways, the swaps before ma...
That's how it worked from the start
Someone just messed up
tepid lily
Also we desperately need the solo inf lbs
glossy saffron
when we changed the scaling
cloud herald
If you want a fucking raid unit to have a more than 1000% mapewide nuke you're on something
ionic basin
I dunno why people think it's such a unit killing change
cuz his nuke went from 13m wave 15 to 1.6m wave 15
tepid lily
cuz his nuke went from 13m wave 15 to 1.6m wave 15
And how do you think 13m was fair?
olive glen
If you want a fucking raid unit to have a more than 1000% mapewide nuke you're o...
giving cid the same nuke scaling cap as goku and vsjw (who have far more uses) is objectively insanity
do u understand that cid has no use outside of the nuke
wicked pike
cuz his nuke went from 13m wave 15 to 1.6m wave 15
that monarch or normal?
ionic basin
Even in high wl
hn
ionic basin
that monarch or normal?
monarch
glossy saffron
cuz his nuke went from 13m wave 15 to 1.6m wave 15
Gee, the unit whose nuke is supposed to scale for infinites is suddenly one-shotting bosses in any normal content with no real investment, what could possibly be wrong with that
cloud herald
giving cid the same nuke scaling cap as goku and vsjw (who have far more uses) i...
Vsjw is a vanguard, cid nuke is straight up better than goku's. Goku is an objectively worse dps unit than john smith too
tepid lily
Even 1.6m is really insane considering that clears all normal enemies and then john smith kills the boss
If he somehow survives
olive glen
Vsjw is a vanguard, cid nuke is straight up better than goku's. Goku is an objec...
vegito does more dps than john and lord of shadows, also goku's nuke is better outside of inf if that 1000% capped scaling thing happens
wicked pike
Vsjw is a vanguard, cid nuke is straight up better than goku's. Goku is an objec...
goku more cheap
cloud herald
vegito does more dps than john and lord of shadows, also goku's nuke is better o...
Worse aoe, takes longer to set up, not unknown element, doesn't have assassination. And like 12k more dps
Oh and costs 80k more
More than 80 actually
wicked pike
Worse aoe, takes longer to set up, not unknown element, doesn't have assassinati...
agree
glossy saffron
you guys know it only takes 6 swaps to reach the scaling cap for cid's nuke, right?
ionic basin
Gee, the unit whose nuke is supposed to scale for infinites is suddenly one-shot...
u said that u dont know why it was a killing change, now hes not even a top 5 option for most gamemodes now, hes good in infinite but ppl in gen 1 dont touch that mode
wicked pike
you guys know it only takes 6 swaps to reach the scaling cap for cid's nuke, rig...
wym?
glossy saffron
And it's only a 3 minute cooldown, so you could realistically just keep using it
like
If the 1000% outside of infinite cap gets put in
it only takes 6 swaps
wicked pike
Oh
cloud herald
u said that u dont know why it was a killing change, now hes not even a top 5 op...
Why do you guys want every new unit to be top 5 overall 💀
olive glen
Worse aoe, takes longer to set up, not unknown element, doesn't have assassinati...
rupture, attack redirection, and not to mention the support and cost effectiveness that goku/vegeta has
ionic basin
Why do you guys want every new unit to be top 5 overall 💀
why r u twisting my words
cloud herald
rupture, attack redirection, and not to mention the support and cost effectivene...
Yeah unfortunately Goku/Vegeta don't have rupture or dps
olive glen
there is absolutely zero plausible reason why cid a unit ONLY good for his nuke, should have the same nuke scaling as goku who has rupture,stun,slow and lower costs
glossy saffron
Cid is also still a legitimately fine unit
wicked pike
whatever i think cid still good ngl he already balance
no need to buff or nerf anymore
that my opinion
cloud herald
Rupture doesn't cover up the 5 other things I listed btw
Neither does it justify being more expensive than gogeta
glossy saffron
people rely on looking at his dps number too much
olive glen
Rupture doesn't cover up the 5 other things I listed btw
are u forgetting that vegito is optional??
cloud herald
are u forgetting that vegito is optional??
Okay then don't raise the dps point again
olive glen
Okay then don't raise the dps point again
???
if u need to worry about cash then goku/vegeta is far most cost effective
compared to both vegito and cid
cloud herald
Yeah because you're not ever maxing vegito in most gamemodes
You're gonna have to stick with Goku/ Vegeta regardless of your thought process
olive glen
You're gonna have to stick with Goku/ Vegeta regardless of your thought process
not at all
again u are entirely missing the point
ionic basin
people rely on looking at his dps number too much
what else does he do
cloud herald
Goku and Vegeta do less dps than john smith, aren't unknown element, and their nuke is less practical than assassination
glossy saffron
Considering john smith effectively has a +40% to his dps number
eternal vortex
what else does he do
dmg that isnt shown in his dps number
olive glen
u want to give cid the same nuke scaling as goku, when goku has FAR more support and cost effectiveness. not to mention cid is ONLY good for his nuke
glossy saffron
plus 5% every time he attacks something that stacks
wicked pike
Goku and Vegeta do less dps than john smith, aren't unknown element, and their n...
ofc because john smith is more expensive bruh
cloud herald
u want to give cid the same nuke scaling as goku, when goku has FAR more support...
His support utility is heavily reduced with monarch considering he loses the full status uptime.
olive glen
Goku and Vegeta do less dps than john smith, aren't unknown element, and their n...
if its a wave 15/20 gamemode where u need to worry about cash then you wouldnt even bring john or cid entirely, why is this even a point you're bringing up?
cloud herald
if its a wave 15/20 gamemode where u need to worry about cash then you wouldnt e...
I wouldn't bring Goku either?
olive glen
I wouldn't bring Goku either?
still a far more viable option than cid
glossy saffron
I mean
cloud herald
And in fact I probably would bring john smith over Goku depending on the stage lmao
glossy saffron
Smith is still a decent early damage unit
cloud herald
I'd much rather use john smith in martial island
glossy saffron
He's expensive but he does good damage
cloud herald
And not get fucked by energy drain
olive glen
Smith is still a decent early damage unit
not really
wicked pike
not really
wym not really
cloud herald
And be able to nuke the boss
olive glen
wym not really
his placement damage isnt high and his placement cost is high
glossy saffron
3.5k + 40%
olive glen
his aoe is the only saving grace at placement
ionic basin
his placement damage isnt high and his placement cost is high
how much dps does he do on placement monarch
olive glen
how much dps does he do on placement monarch
i dont remember but it isnt that high
olive glen
3.5k + 40%
this is genuinely not that good
eternal vortex
traitless in a almost full aoe
thats not bad
glossy saffron
with monarch and about godly damage stat, he's 17.5k placement
+40% on top of that
wicked pike
how much dps does he do on placement monarch
i remember it around 40-42k dps
i got him with monarch
godly stats damage too
cloud herald
with monarch and about godly damage stat, he's 17.5k placement
What's the placement spa
glossy saffron
6s base
wicked pike
sadly i cant speedrun cid raid anymore
glossy saffron
probably closer to 4.5 with monarch and an spa stat
ionic basin
i remember it around 40-42k dps
dps or damage
wicked pike
probably closer to 4.5 with monarch and an spa stat
4.7
glossy saffron
Yeah
raw flint
ur video ;-; wat else
hmmmmm ill think abt it
cloud herald
probably closer to 4.5 with monarch and an spa stat
That's decent considering its a full aoe
ionic basin
im legit said dps
what
ionic basin
42k on placement is crazy
glossy saffron
That's decent considering its a full aoe
It's about 5.2k dps just on placement with third passive in mind
wicked pike
42k on placement is crazy
oops im blind let me check it again. yeah my bad sorry
subtle trail
Nah cid is op
subtle trail
No
hes op in every 15 wave gamemode
cuz you can max him out
and his nuke 1 shots
also hes basically full aoe on placement
wicked pike
also hes basically full aoe on placement
what
💔 he op ngl this is max stacking dmg btw
glossy saffron
His nuke doesn't really one-shot anymore unless you max him and then start swapping
olive glen
💔 he op ngl this is max stacking dmg btw
what kind of hacked cid is this
in literally no universe does he have 2.4 spa at upg 4
wicked pike
that normal bro
untold sonnet
with blitz mine had 2.1
glossy saffron
That's placement attack
wicked pike
u can get lower with ethereal or blitz
glossy saffron
Attack 1 Cid has a very low SPA
wicked pike
ye
untold sonnet
thats why u used attack 1 for farming swaps before
eternal vortex
yea the aoe is also as small as vigil placement😭
wicked pike
mine godly spa too
wicked pike
That's john smith
i know i just want to said my cid got godly spa too
eternal vortex
i think wiki just coppied smith stats but with different dmg😭
olive glen
i dont recall cid having a low spa at all
glossy saffron
Which goes to half circle when smith loses his near full aoe
wicked pike
Yeah no, LoS has a super low SPA on first attack, just a tiny ahh aoe
u can just upgrade him to 5 then focus on other unit
subtle trail
i dont recall cid having a low spa at all
Use the unit yourself bro and swap to lord of shadows
olive glen
i literally have him
subtle trail
Swap to lord of shadows
fringe oyster
I get most views on day 1 or final day
So what takes so long for u to upload the videos?
raw flint
So what takes so long for u to upload the videos?
life
ionic basin
So what takes so long for u to upload the videos?
he balances for av did u forget
eternal vortex
fixed it
wicked pike
fixed it<:Alfretootie:1235131660438208593>
3 hit hard
noble sage
fixed it<:Alfretootie:1235131660438208593>
wats this?
noble sage
oh
btw the change on cid
realy good
perfectly
balanced
those who want to waste time in 15 wave can waste but wont get a ton of damg
but still let other enjoy with uncapped cid
shut atlas
Wait...
cloud herald
if cid gets the 1000% cap then hes worse outside of inf than he was pre buff
Ofc he's getting a 1000% cap bruh
You want the wl/tourney meta from now to the end of time to be "get cid maxed out, todo him around and stall"
Like what
olive glen
You want the wl/tourney meta from now to the end of time to be "get cid maxed ou...
he very obviously isnt balanced as he is rn
olive glen
but 1000% cap (average nuke scaling) is absurd for a unit only good for nuking
wicked pike
for some reason when i use all range atomic it not full map
cloud herald
but 1000% cap (average nuke scaling) is absurd for a unit only good for nuking
No it ain't
2.6m mapwide nuke?
olive glen
objectively lying
cloud herald
Hell no
Especially when you can swap to john smith right after and use assassination
olive glen
2.6m mapwide nuke?
2.6m mapwide nuke so amazing (only usable with monarch, zero utility outside of said nuke and expensive to max out)
so fire
cloud herald
Every nuke is only usable with monarch
olive glen
every other nuke has utility outside of said nuke
cloud herald
I'd say 46k dps with unknown element is very solid utility
wicked pike
what yall talking about
olive glen
I'd say 46k dps with unknown element is very solid utility
46k on a highball
cloud herald
And he's less expensive to max out than most top units rn
wicked pike
I'd say 46k dps with unknown element is very solid utility
what 46k
cloud herald
So
wicked pike
cid or john
cloud herald
John
cloud herald
40% extra dps from passive, then the 5% more multiplicative damage per hit
wicked pike
40% extra dps from passive, then the 5% more multiplicative damage per hit
oh ye
i forgot the passive 3nd
mb
cloud herald
His display dps isn't even close to his actual dps
olive glen
john got 34k
thats his dps with the 40% passive
john only gets to 45k+ with the damage stacking
wicked pike
thats his dps with the 40% passive
yeah i said mb i forgot the passive 3nd
cloud herald
46k unknown element with 100s cd 700% nuke
wicked pike
2*
olive glen
and even then u need to consider the fact that his dps is still in the upper 30ks for the first 5 or so hits so its not even consistent
wicked pike
46k unknown element with 100s cd 700% nuke
um 600% or 700%?
fringe oyster
if cid gets the 1000% cap then hes worse outside of inf than he was pre buff
the 1000% cap is only for outside inf mode
he has no cap if inf mode
olive glen
46k unknown element with 100s cd 700% nuke
46k is like a 4k-5k highball and the nuke isnt 700% but sure
olive glen
the 1000% cap is only for outside inf mode
he has no cap if inf mode
i know
cloud herald
um 600% or 700%?
600% yeah mb
olive glen
thats still worse than prebuff outside of infinite though
cloud herald
Not like that's still not better than basically every other nuke for boss killing
Also we're taking unknown element for so granted for no reason 💀
olive glen
nobody is saying john needs a buff idk why ur bringing this up anyway
wicked pike
i think he balance now
cloud herald
nobody is saying john needs a buff idk why ur bringing this up anyway
Because john is deliberately meant to be the unit you use outside of inf?
Whilst cid is fully inf focused?
wicked pike
this unit really have two side lmao
olive glen
Because john is deliberately meant to be the unit you use outside of inf?
i mean sure
glossy saffron
if cid gets the 1000% cap then hes worse outside of inf than he was pre buff
You'd have to swap 20 times to get that cap outside infinite pre-buff
Now you'd only have to swap 6 times
wicked pike
Now you'd only have to swap 6 times
why
glossy saffron
so you could theoretically use it multiple times
cloud herald
He's top 3 for inf now and top 7/8 outside of it I think we're good
olive glen
but i dont think thats a reason to make cid's nuke worse outside of inf than it was before (and it WAS bad even before) especially since john isnt amazing outside of inf
wicked pike
Because the scaling still increases?
olive glen
He's top 3 for inf now and top 7/8 outside of it I think we're good
john aint top 7/8 outside of inf what
cloud herald
john aint top 7/8 outside of inf what
Name 8 units better than him
Sjwv, Vergil, dante, yhwach, aizen, gogeta
glossy saffron
It just caps out at 1000% total outside infs
cloud herald
Do not say Goku because that is just not true
glossy saffron
Goku's only really good outside because of his support and that's it
wicked pike
Sjwv, Vergil, dante, yhwach, aizen, gogeta
vergil need support to work soo idk if he better than john
cloud herald
vergil need support to work soo idk if he better than john
This is the people I'm arguing with
Just smite me already
olive glen
Name 8 units better than him
yhwach, dante, vergil, vsjw, goku, gogeta, alucard, ichigo, rem, lancer, saber, esdeath are all better OUTSIDE of infinite
eternal vortex
yhwach, dante, vergil, vsjw, goku, gogeta, alucard, ichigo, rem, lancer, saber, ...
lancer💔
wicked pike
i think this dude trying to rage bait us
olive glen
vergil need support to work soo idk if he better than john
the sheer dps difference makes up for that and u only need 1 cc (which buffs the rest of the team anyway)
glossy saffron
vergil need support to work soo idk if he better than john
Why wouldn't you be using support regardless 
cloud herald
yhwach, dante, vergil, vsjw, goku, gogeta, alucard, ichigo, rem, lancer, saber, ...
Rem ain't, lancer ain't, saber ain't, Goku ain't. Ig you can include 2 supports in the list
wicked pike
Why wouldn't you be using support regardless <:Stare:1302793114825654332>
i never using support only monarch 💔
olive glen
Rem ain't, lancer ain't, saber ain't, Goku ain't. Ig you can include 2 supports ...
me when i lie holy
cloud herald
Yeah guys Vergil and his 180k dps are so ass
eternal vortex
whats the issue
hes only used to counter regen
so not really better than smith
cloud herald
me when i lie holy
Explain how any of the first 4 units are better 💀
Saber costs about the same, isn't unknown, does less dps, has a worse aoe
olive glen
hes only used to counter regen
so not really better than smith
which is a big deal not to mention hes cheaer
glossy saffron
Rem's just cheaper and more accessible outside inf but idk if she really compares to smith
cloud herald
Lancer is a support who isn't comparable to john in any way other than support utility which is like comparing 2 super different things
Rom isn't unknown, does less dps, is a worse aoe
eternal vortex
Rem's just cheaper and more accessible outside inf but idk if she really compare...
lowkey kinda hard to compete with rem cuz of how cost efficient she is
outside of land of gods she kinda solos everything
glossy saffron
yeah
cloud herald
Goku's best application is keeping him on upg 5 and getting perm slow so
Idk how that makes him "objectively better" than john
olive glen
Saber costs about the same, isn't unknown, does less dps, has a worse aoe
saber has supporting capabilities and her nuke has no global cd, rem is extremely cost effective, lancer is cheap and stops regen, goku has slow/stun (and more cost effective) and has vegito for more expensive gamemodes
cloud herald
Are you not considering every unit to be monarch?
wicked pike
ts will never end
olive glen
Rem's just cheaper and more accessible outside inf but idk if she really compare...
the entire argument is outside of inf
olive glen
Are you not considering every unit to be monarch?
why would i?
cloud herald
Wtf are gogeta and aizen doing on this list 💀
olive glen
never put aizen on the list and gogeta has a built in todo
cloud herald
Doesn't change the fact that he costs 2 kidneys to max
And doesn't do good dps without monarch
olive glen
Doesn't change the fact that he costs 2 kidneys to max
fair point
rest of the list is perfectly fine though
cloud herald
No id use john smith over saber or lancer any day of the week as my dps unit
olive glen
if ur using john as a dps idk what to tell u
cloud herald
Him being monarch dependent is unfortunate but that's always gonna be some units
wicked pike
if ur using john as a dps idk what to tell u
im using him as a dps 💔
cloud herald
if ur using john as a dps idk what to tell u
Over saber and lancer, yes
I don't even use gogeta as my main dps personally
glossy saffron
if ur using john as a dps idk what to tell u
tf else are you using him for
olive glen
Over saber and lancer, yes
saber and lancer arent even dps mainly
glossy saffron
A slow?
olive glen
tf else are you using him for
hes not even good as a dps
glossy saffron
moral support?
olive glen
use dante or something
glossy saffron
That's just cap
olive glen
That's just cap
whats john's consistent dps
cloud herald
Just because a top 3 unit is better than him doesn't mean john is bad 💀