#ESSENTIAL PVP MECHANICS

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ionic lichen
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**Summary of the addons:

  • Unit Draft (Pick/Ban)
  • Map Draft (Pick/Ban)
    • Maps will contain their own weather/unique map mechanics
  • Best of Three System for Ranked PVP
    • Chess elo rating system for Ranked
  • Player Buff/Debuff Mechanics in Gameplay
  • Reward Systems for Playing PVP
    • Standard casual rewards
    • Ranked based prestige cosmetics and profile customizations
  • Ranked Profile/Career Statistics
  • Seasonal Rotations for a Pool of Unobtainable Units to be Available to All Players
  • Static values for Familiars in PVP**

Each addon has a specific implementation that I recommend using, so be sure to read the comprehensive descriptions.

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ionic lichen
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CATEGORY - PVP Draft Components

HIGH PRIORITY - Ban Phase

HOW

The ban phase will consistent of two intervals

  • Players have 15 seconds to declare one ban on any desired unit on the full roster per interval
    • __Bans will not be revealed until both players lock in a ban __
    • Refer to Marvel Rivals as an example of this implementation
      WHY LIKE THIS
      This specific implementation of the ban phase allows for a reasonable balance between giving proper power of choice while also allowing duplicate bans to occur to diversify matches. A ban system as a general concept is needed to provide stability to the meta.
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HIGH PRIORITY - Cascade Pick

HOW

Basic Mechanics

  • Only one player will be able to use a unit on the roster if selected
  • Picks are visible to both players
  • Each player selects six units, and can freely choose between those six units ALONGSIDE their available farms to lock in their final lineup
  • However, players with multiple duplicates of the unit they are selecting must declare the specific copy of the unit they are using, locking-in the specific trait they are using for that unit on that map.
    • Player picks are revealed during cascade, but final lineups are not visible until grace period (described below)
      Coin toss to determine first pick in cascade pick
  • Refer to Brawl Stars as an example of this implementation
    1. Winner picks one unit first
    1. Loser picks two units
    1. Winner picks two units
    1. Loser picks two units
    1. Winner picks two units
    1. Loser picks one unit
    1. Winner picks one unit
    1. Loser gets last pick on one unit
      WHY LIKE THIS
      Cascade pick allows for proper diversity in matches since each player will be able to have power in developing potential counters to the other player's picks, making unit selection a much more involved/engaging process. Picks should be visible to both players to allow countering to occur. 1:2:2:1 cascade should be used instead of 1:1:1:1 cascade because it also allows players to have power in actually building a synergistic comp, a reasonable balance between allowing individual pre-meditated strategies while also allowing opponents to generate counters dynamically.
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HIGH PRIORITY - Grace Period

HOW

20 seconds after cascade to equip familiars on your final lineup as you wish

  • Refer to Brawl Stars for an example of this implementation
    Final lineup for both players only becomes visible during this period. Final lineups are chosen during the cascade where they are not visible to the opponent. Final lineups are not editable during grace period.
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Allows for that extra cherry on top of depth to the draft so that you can optimize your lineup to a greater extent. Additionally raises the skill ceiling of drafting as you have to have enough game knowledge to make the best possible choice to deal with as many contingencies as possible from the opponents pool.
CONCEPT: Map Pick And Ban

HOW

Basic Mechanics

  • Map Pick and Ban will occur before unit draft
  • 3 randomly selected maps will be selected by the game for a pick and ban phase
    • Each map will contain its own weather or other map-specific mechanics
      Separate coin toss to determine first pick
  • Winner bans one map
  • Loser bans one map
  • Final map remaining is the map on which the match will occur
  • Refer to Professional Esports from various titles or CS2 Premier for an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Unique maps and a map draft, while not necessary to the basic pvp system, is a fantastic way to help foster the creation of multiple submetas/map-specific metas in a way that makes the mode much more replayable. Picks and bans also allow for players to have a good chance at winning, even if they do not have every unit unlocked, as they can set up pre-meditated strategies for certain maps and attempt to draft the maps accordingly.
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CATEGORY - RANKED PVP OVERHAUL

CONCEPT - Best Of Three

HOW

Instead of 3 randomly selected maps, there will be 5 randomly selected maps in initial map pick/phase.

  • Coin toss to determine first pick, like before
    • Winner now chooses one map to save, effectively preventing the other opponent from banning it
    • Loser saves one map
    • Winner bans one map
    • Loser bans one map
  • Final map and the two selected maps are all used to make a best of three match against your opponent
    • Separate unit draft occurs for each map
  • Refer to Professional Esports from various titles or CS2 Premier for an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Makes ranked matches much more involved than casual/standard matchmaking, and gives both players a fair attempt at trying to win the match. Reduces the viability of a strategy where a player might invest all their resources into developing a loadout for a specific map and "one-trick-ponying".
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CATEGORY - PROGRESSION SYSTEMS

CONCEPT - Casual Ranks

HOW

Players will earn seasonal PVP mastery points for completing matches, more for winning than losing and more for playing multiple PVP matches in a row

  • NPC vendor for PVP will have a UI for a mastery progression track, which contains 10 ranks, each divided into 3 divisions that the player can level through by reaching certain master point thresholds
    • Rewards for leveling up to a new division within a rank include standard currency (gems, gold, essence stones)
    • Rewards for leveling up to a new rank include more coveted currencies (rr, stat chips, shards) as well as exclusive cosmetic options (i.e. a seasonal title, skin for a unit, profile card, etc.)
    • Players can prestige after completing the main mastery track to reset their progress for new rewards (usually redundant rewards like more gems, gold, rr, etc.)
  • Refer to Destiny 2 Crucible Valor Ranks as an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Adds a sense of consistent, non-rng-based progression to certain rewards that rewards the player for continued engagement. Allows for a sense of accomplishment among more casual players who would not want to play ranked if given the option.
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HIGH PRIORITY - Ranked System

HOW

Players can both earn/lose seasonal PVP ranked rating for Ranked matches, according to an elo-based rating system (I recommend simply implementing the Chess elo system)

  • NPC vendor for PVP will have a UI to display various information about the player's ranked career:
    • Player's current rank
    • Player's PVP career statistics
      • Highest ranked achieved ever in lifetime, along with label of which season that rank was acquired
      • Lifetime statistics (win/loss ratio; cumulative matches won, lost, and played)
      • Current seasonal statistics
    • Global leaderboard for the current season
      Ranked system to be divided into metal ranks (bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond), master, and (to the fit the theme of AV) paragon, with top 500 being crowned vanguard
  • Each rank will be divided into 3 divisions
    • 100 ranked rating needed to progress through a division
      Players will not get rewards directly from competitive, but instead receive mastery points like normal
  • Competitive rewards include a seasonal profile frame and title depending on the highest rank you achieved in the season, as well as 2 tiers of exclusive cosmetic/unit skin for reaching paragon and vanguard respectively
    Ranked resets upon new seasons
  • One reset should occur per season, dropping a player down 6 divisions from their highest rank from the previous season
  • Refer to Marvel Rivals as an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Players who do not like playing more aggressively competitive modes should not feel compelled to play ranked. Implementing resets like this also allows for consistent progress to occur compared to a total reset, even if the player is not playing multiple matches a day.
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CATEGORY - GAMEPLAY ADDONS

CONCEPT - Player Buffs

HOW

Concept #1: neutral enemies

  • Neutral enemies that will not progress to either player base will instead only be present on the map for a certain period of time
    • A player can make the decision to divert towers to damaging and killing the enemy at the risk of not being able to defend from the other player in order to receive special buffs or abilities to debuff the opponent upon killing the neutral enemy
      Concept #2: merchant NPC
  • Similar to the first concept, a merchant NPC will spawn periodically on the map, one instance per player, who will provide a random assortment of purchasable items to buff oneself or debuff the opponent at the cost of yen.
  • Notifications will pop up on the opponents screen when a player acquires a buff/debuff item, not when they activate them, so that they have time to develop a counterstrategy. This applies for both concept one and two.
    Concept #3: yen shop
  • A yen shop will be permanently available to each of the players throughout the duration of a map instance. Players will then be able to spend yen on items that provide buffs to the player progressively, with items being upgradeable, allowing other exclusive items to then be bought, etc.
    • The opponent will not be able to see the other player's gold shop build.
  • Refer to the League of Legends in-game shop (#3) and jungle (#1) as an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    Rounds out the trinity of skills that ought to be tested in PVP. First skill was the need for game knowledge through drafting. Second was the ability to efficiently progress your economy and upgrade units through the base gameplay. Third is the ability to be adaptive and utilize resources given to create impromptu attacks to exploit your opponent's weaknesses, which will be achieved through a selection of these various systems.
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CATEGORY - IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS

Access to full roster

HOW

Players during the draft should have access to the full roster of available units. This does not mean that players have access to units they do not have.

  • Refer to Brawl Stars as an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    The other systems I have described in this post largely remove any issues with any one particular unit being universally good, and it is important to allow the players to have freedom in gameplay, as creativity is what makes a game fun.
Seasonal pools of unobtainable units for everyone to have available

HOW

A rotating selection of ~ 3 to 5 unobtainable units will be available on the roster for all players depending on the PVP season, regardless if they have obtained them regularly in the game or not. This system will not be present in ranked.

  • Refer to Brawl Stars as an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    With the suggestion above being said, giving players, especially new ones, an opportunity to tinker with units they would otherwise not have is a great way to make the mode fun.
Static values for familiars in PVP

HOW

All familiars should have a predetermined static value when in use during pvp. I have no comment on if randomly rolled familiars should be allowed in ranked.
WHY LIKE THIS
Familiar rng mechanics and familiar balancing in its current state will make it VERY frustrating to deal with god rolls.

Chess Elo System for Ranked

HOW

Ranked should use the chess rating system or some close derivative for PVP ranked.
WHY LIKE THIS
The system is provably fair and ideal for the 1v1 environment in PVP. There is no needed for engagement optimized rating systems or otherwise overly complex rating systems.

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Static stat rolls for units in Casual PVP

HOW

All units should have a predetermined static stat roll of D for damage, spa, and range when in use during casual pvp. This will not apply to ranked.

  • Refer to Destiny 2's Crucible Control (Quickplay) gamemode for an example of this implementation
    WHY LIKE THIS
    The concept of adding seasonal pools for unobtainable units will require some predetermined value for the available units if the player does not have them. This change standardizes and stabilizes the sandbox. It also makes one less pain point for casual players to truly make an equal playing ground for all players. There should be a casual option for PVP, and this change allows quick play to be casual/plug-and-play.
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tawdry niche
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splot light soon…

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ionic lichen
round storm
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Prolly night for most suggestion yappers

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Me included

ionic lichen
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11pm on the west coast rn

tawdry niche
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im near 11 pm

round storm
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Quarter to 2am for me

ionic lichen
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The way the image cropped...

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We better have 5 billion stars when I wake up

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stage tomorrow too!

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first one ill actually get to sit down for

round storm
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Ok mabye the ban was reasonable this time

ionic lichen
lilac dawn
round storm
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You are tier 2 yapper

fallow breach
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the image was NOT needed

round storm
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Image was very needed

fallow breach
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more yap = probably good

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green matrix
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bump

ionic lichen
green matrix
ionic lichen
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I will sacrifice EVERYTHING to get this to spotlight

ionic lichen
fallow breach
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nuh uh

ionic lichen
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sure

fallow breach
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i just want pvp to have +8000% blast damage but only for vegita super

ionic lichen
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seems reasonable

fallow breach
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monarch vegita super is peak

ionic lichen
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begging is for wussies

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i shall patiently wait for spotlight

round storm
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Bro got blacklisted

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Ts stupid

mossy steeple
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Pyseph said no

round storm
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I dont know why he would get black listed though

median crest
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essential pvp mechanices

sinful pebble
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Minor spelling error in new title

mossy steeple
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lilac dawn
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Damn he really blacklisted him?

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lilac dawn
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Oof

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lilac dawn
round storm
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Well to bad

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You are waiting 2 weeks

lilac dawn
round storm
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Im not gonna finish mine for atleast another week

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But ill try to get it done for 800 upvotes

lilac dawn
round storm
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Trust its like almost done

lilac dawn
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Yea ok vro

round storm
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Just developing visuals

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Then one last feedback check

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Then ill post

lilac dawn
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1 week goes by "Sorry vro gotta push the release to one more day" 💔🥀

round storm
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Nah

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In fact

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Im gonna finish it during the week

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Im feeling motivated since im almost dobe

lilac dawn
round storm
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Its my magnum opus of suggestions…

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My most lengthy one yet

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5k + words

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😮‍💨

mossy steeple
round storm
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I know ts aint getting added but its fun

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Check out holy update concept thumbsup

mossy steeple
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Ts almost making me inspired enough to start making videos again

lilac dawn
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It’s fun to read it

mossy steeple
lilac dawn
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Part 1 and 2 :D

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mossy steeple
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Have kazi see this and ur good

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lilac dawn
round storm
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Or lancer artoria apparently

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My dreams were crushed rhat day💔

mossy steeple
round storm
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Even had a professional artist draw a banner for her

lilac dawn
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It’d be fun to see ytbers make videos abt the suggestions in here
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round storm
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💔

mossy steeple
lilac dawn
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Kazi the Dreamvraker

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mossy steeple
mossy steeple
lilac dawn
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So idk

mossy steeple
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Lol

round storm
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It was pretty entertaining

lilac dawn
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What is it called

round storm
mossy steeple
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Idk

round storm
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Forgot

lilac dawn
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Rip

mossy steeple
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Just go to his channel it'll be one of his more recent ones

round storm
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Idk it was one of his latest videos

mossy steeple
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He did it b4 update 5.5 dropped i think

round storm
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Saw triny speak his shit

mossy steeple
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Lol

round storm
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This

lilac dawn
mossy steeple
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mossy steeple
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Lol

rugged lagoon
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him getting blacklisted for that title was crazy

sinful pebble
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@ionic lichen hey ur blacklist is gone

ionic lichen
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WERE SO BACK

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ESSENTIAL PVP MECHANICS

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feels like home again KannaHeart

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man i wanted to get enough sleep for the stage buts 3 am already

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also would appreciate devil's advocates for the features i suggested

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as well as any missing aspects of pvp that you think i should add on

shrewd sun
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nice image clickbait

ionic lichen
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new strat

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well hit spotlight in no time!

shrewd sun
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upvoted for the image

ionic lichen
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the cartethiya leaks from earlier today are MASSIVE

shrewd sun
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next do girls in a one piece

ionic lichen
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ok vro im not tryna get banned

ionic lichen
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tune in to the stage tomorrow guys!

sinful pebble
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will it be useful CatPonder

ionic lichen
simple plank
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reminds me of clash royale

sinful pebble
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are we saved

ionic lichen
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MASSIVE

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Productivity index instantly increased by 50%

sinful pebble
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naruto is HOPEFULLY not being mentioned

ionic lichen
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Pvp will honestly be the savior of anime vanguards

sinful pebble
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anyway since it was mentioned before yeah a lot of these are planning to be implemented, i actually wonder which ones CatPonder

ionic lichen
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Draft is for sure being added

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Maps and map draft are most likely being added

sinful pebble
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also well i dont really have much to say since i havent seen myself what the additions are, the effort and formatting in the suggestion aware you applause Clap

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i spelt that horrifically wrong didnt i

ionic lichen
sinful pebble
simple plank
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I do want casual and competitive

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One just for fun

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the other just for lb or something

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lilac dawn
ionic lichen
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the one time they have a stage at a reasonable time for me they postpone it Dreadful

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ionic lichen
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Check out Apoc's "Draft (PVP Gamemode Concept)" as well if you like what you see here!
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ionic lichen
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Will add party modes to the suggestion later

ionic lichen
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Is stage suggestions or regular suggestions more active

round storm
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If there is a content drought stage suggestions id mote active

ionic lichen
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Alr

ionic lichen
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Who on earth has time on a monday morning to attend a 2 hr stage big_mad

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Damn you, EU and APAC!

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ionic lichen
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PATCH 1.0.1

  • Important change to Cascade Pick:
    • "Players with multiple duplicates of the unit they are selecting must declare the specific copy of the unit they are using, locking-in the specific trait they are using for that unit on that map."
ionic lichen
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Sounding the death knell! 🗣️

ionic lichen
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My blade, purge all evil!

potent ermine
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Gotta say, image was 100% necessary

ionic lichen
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obviously

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i lob fleurdelys

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ionic lichen
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new laur drop SteamHappy

ionic lichen
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Gales, purify!

drifting helm
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Star just for adding fleurdelys as the image

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ionic lichen
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😮‍💨

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lets hope my future suggestions do better than this

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the suggestion that took like 5 min to write got 200 more stars 🥀

eternal sparrow
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ban is needed in pvp it will flop without it

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also draft as a separate mode and MAYBE a ranked version of it would be cool like clash royale

round storm
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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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GUILTY GEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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nvm im returning to the game

ionic lichen
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the cycle repeats

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we're so back -> it's so over -> we're so back

round storm
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im assuming next Bp will by guilty gear units

ionic lichen
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guilty gear update wouldnt be too bad either BBCookie

round storm
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please let the other Bp unit be may

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PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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i need this

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and it as a mount

ionic lichen
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nah dizzy

round storm
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i will happily spend 10k robux

sinful pebble
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Fitting catthink

round storm
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yeah

sinful pebble
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I need to get guilty gear actually it looks fun

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sinful pebble
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@gritty granite

round storm
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got wooped in online pvp for a good month

sinful pebble
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I hope the reception about the update gets a lil better over time, rn it’s very fixed

sinful pebble
round storm
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atp it i don't care if its a full update or Bp

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i see guilty gear

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  • happy
sinful pebble
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Well I hope it’s full cus I think it’ll be cool

round storm
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i apologize for all the bad things i said

ionic lichen
round storm
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(for now)

ionic lichen
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what pushed me away from an otherwise awesome game

rough shadow
ionic lichen
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no other reason

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Oceans, bow before me! 🗣️ 🔥

nova smelt
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ain’t nobody pvping 3 games in a row

round storm
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shes hot

ionic lichen
nova smelt
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just literally 1 game

ionic lichen
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for ranked?

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its meant to be competitive

nova smelt
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an average game should take like 20min

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yea and literally 99.99% of the ccu isn’t competitive

ionic lichen
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yeah if you looked at pery's pvp preview the games are under 8 min

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so why play rankked

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if youre a casual player

nova smelt
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pery is a fraud

ionic lichen
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theres a casual mode for you

nova smelt
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I’m not a casual

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nova smelt
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any cc is ass

ionic lichen
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im not tlaking about you specifically

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based but thats a separate thing

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actually i like valks videos

nova smelt
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💀 the almighty balancer

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it’s anime vanguards

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not some game comparable to league or Val

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those are actually tolerable to be competitive in for 30min

ionic lichen
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even then

ionic lichen
ionic lichen
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right now pvp looks barebones

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and unfortunately the devs seem like there are largely fixed on keeping the primary focus on that modifier window

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but you never know

rough shadow
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it's not even out

ionic lichen
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from the pvp preview we saw

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the preview that was 6 days ago?

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if theyve been working on it since january

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how much more is it going to change from that?

rough shadow
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and yet here you are shitting on a unofficial released game mode

round storm
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oh right

ionic lichen
sinful pebble
ionic lichen
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20 dollars each lol

fallow breach
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stage was full of L's bro

ionic lichen
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yeah

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awfully short notes

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sadness

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# ionic lichen sadness

also confirmed that they pretty much HATE pity, no catalyst for jeju (its going next update anyway but still) no vowstone for legend stages OR boss rush, and legacy coins are going away

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baseless hate

ionic lichen
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The fact that theres no reasoning listed in the doc is kind of infuriating

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Do they think pity shouldnt be added because they said so?

round storm
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Its there game… they get to decide if they dont want to give the players a safety net

ionic lichen
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how the hell did it move this far down so quickly

lilac dawn
eternal sparrow
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like enuma elish

drifting helm
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Yeah and I have exactly 5 wishes

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Im ready

eternal sparrow
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gonna start saving for cartethyia

drifting helm
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W

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I also wasted it all on zani

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Im probably gonna have to whale on cartethyias banner 🥀

ionic lichen
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Fleurdelys is worth

eternal sparrow
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Only spent 5 on the 30 day thing not spending anymore (lie)

ionic lichen
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Spent 100 on zani

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Will spend more if i have to for fleurdelys and her sig

ionic lichen
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or maybe i spend the 100 on dizzy and the rest of the gg roster...

dull quail
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Absolutely perfect. I hope everything about this suggestion is implemented 🙏

ionic lichen
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Would appreciate more suggestions/ideas if you guys have any

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Want to round out this list bc it feels like theres stuff thats missing

ionic lichen
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Hey guys it would be cool if discussion occurred here! Please SMplead

sinful pebble
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lost mirage
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This probably not copied from other games right

lilac dawn
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So

ionic lichen
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What game hasnt borrowed ideas though

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Or made a completely original game

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Why not borrow ideas if they WORK

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Not asking for a direct copy paste either

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Because a lot of these features you wouldnt even be able to port to a tower defense without some kind of revamp of them

lost mirage
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i was right

ionic lichen
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i was quite clear about what to use as reference for these features

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if you are confused about if i borrowed features you shouldnt be

ionic lichen
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bump

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lost mirage
ionic lichen
ionic lichen
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Salute post is not hitting spotlight

round storm
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just bump it every 5 minutes smh

ionic lichen
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3…

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-# morning

ionic lichen
ionic lichen
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Glorious cartethiya has made it to spotlight

drifting helm
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This is a moment in history

tulip stone
eternal sparrow
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or a tournament unit since theyre doing games

round storm
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just skins

ionic lichen
jovial laurel
jovial laurel
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Just returned yesterday and the only 5 stars that I have are Kakarot verina and encore

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Level 26 rn

ionic lichen
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and she is coming out in the 2nd anniversary banner

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if youre decision to get phoebe is motivated by meta

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just wait for carlotta

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but phoebe is still more than playable if you want her regardless

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you should have at least 80 pulls saved regardless if you plan on summoning for any character

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i would also use wuwa tracker to track your pity

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so you can make a proper deicsion

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about who to save for

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these are the next two banners coming in 4 days

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cartethiya and lupa are coming in the patch AFTER that

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i personally recommend rolling for cartethiya

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as she has some of the most promising animations

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and is expected to be strong due to her being a character with connections to a sentinel/archon in the lore

jovial laurel
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Um wait a sec
I wanted to get Phoebe just because of her amazing exploring skill

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But not because of meta

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Cause Zani+Phoebe is the best team for competitive modes rn

jovial laurel
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@ionic lichen All abt my acc

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Asia server

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Tho I'm from SEA

ionic lichen
jovial laurel
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And I have a guaranteed 5 star

ionic lichen
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I only came back like 3 weeks ago

jovial laurel
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Pity

jovial laurel
ionic lichen
jovial laurel
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And then I quit the game

ionic lichen
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Lmfao

jovial laurel
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Do Zani banner and the 6 character banner share pity?

ionic lichen
jovial laurel
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Ohhh ok

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In this case

ionic lichen
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Zani is very expensive tho

jovial laurel
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Should I wait for the banner to change and get changli hopefully for exploring

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And jinhshi as a main dps

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0+1 for jinhshi

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Also I'm from the Chinese community so I'm not that familiar with these game terms in English lol

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I legit just changed the game language into English for you

ionic lichen
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Ah ok

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Just ask any/all questions you have and id be happy to clarify

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Do you have a preference for any character?

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Just like design wise?

jovial laurel
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Uh no ig so far

ionic lichen
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Or maybe they seem fun to you?

jovial laurel
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Maybe someone like kakarot

ionic lichen
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Because if you get a character but you arent happy playing them then theres no point

jovial laurel
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Which requires skill

jovial laurel
ionic lichen
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Thats a given

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Since her only competition is verina and baizhi lol

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Jinhsi, carlotta, camellya, and zani are all considered the best damage dealers

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Zani can be used with spectro rover but phoebe is still best for her

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Zani weapon is also a massive power boost

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Compared to other 5 star weapons

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Carlotta is universally good

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Benefits a lot from zhezhi but zhezhi is not necessary

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Unlike how phoebe is kind of mandatory for zani to most effectively use her passives

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Jihnsi is similar but from what ive heard she is slightly less consistent

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Camellya i dont know much about but im pretty sure they are still more than viable

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Those are the candidates for best damage dealers

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Changli is in a little bit different of a spot because she apparently is less viable on her own

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And requires brant in a similar way to zani with phoebe

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Depending on which damage dealer you like best

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You should also pull for their corresponding damage booster

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Phoebe for zani

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Zezhi/brant for carlotta

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Zhezhi/cantarella for jihnsi

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Roccia for camellya

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And brant for changli if youre interested

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Id also heavily recommend jiyan

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Because while you kind of need his weapon

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Mortefi is the best damage boosting option for him

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Making him a bit less expensive in total

rough shadow
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stop yapping dude

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just make it simple

jovial laurel
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@ionic lichen ok well...
For now
Should I summon this current banner or wait for the next one?
Since the only viable characters or weapons from this the first half of the version are just Phoebe Yinlin Weapon and Zhezhi for Corletta

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Um

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I think I can only manage to get one 5 star in this short period of time

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Less than 4 days

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Tho I'm thinking if grinding chengxiaoshan for since it is the region that gives the most resources in wuwa

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And also the least time consuming

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Takes only like 2 hours to finish the whole map

round storm
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Sybau 1970

ionic lichen
jovial laurel
ionic lichen
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carlotta does just fine with the standard 5 star pistol

ionic lichen
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it gives you the opportunity to pull for their weapons too if you have enough pulls spared

jovial laurel
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If not I'd just pull for changli

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As she's the best overworld dps

ionic lichen
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phoebe is not necessary

jovial laurel
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Also she shouldn't be deemed as a main but as an alternate

jovial laurel
ionic lichen
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unless you want to reach somewhere slightly faster

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you have unlimited sprint stamina

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on everyone

ionic lichen
jovial laurel
jovial laurel
ionic lichen
jovial laurel
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Cuz I think I'll need help to-

jovial laurel
ionic lichen
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rip

jovial laurel
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Asia server 💀

ionic lichen
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i think i have a burner on asia with jiyan

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never bothered to use it though

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bc i didnt want to grind out the bum ahh story

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again

jovial laurel
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Quitting AV rn @ionic lichen

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FOR PHOEBE!!!

ionic lichen
eternal sparrow
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i need to get my data bank up but it takes so long

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im ul 34 rn

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kinda early-mid game

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i have zani pheobe and verina

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but no good weapons

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or obviously echos

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saving for cartethiya rn but im thinking of trying to get the girl before her

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forgot her name

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the next banner

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since shes apparently gonna be needed for cartethiya

ionic lichen
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ciaccona sig is probably going to be borderline must have like phoebe sig for her sub dps role

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and then cartethiya sig is probably also going to be busted

eternal sparrow
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do u think its worth summoning for her

ionic lichen
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obviously

eternal sparrow
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i was thinking of saving for cartethiya and going for ciaccona rerun

ionic lichen
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probably is the play tbh

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definitely gonig to be zani 2.0 in terms of requiring both sigs for optimal dps

eternal sparrow
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shell prob be like zani where aero rover is useable but ciaccona will be much better

ionic lichen
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yeah

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pretty much

eternal sparrow
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cartethiyas animations are too good to move on

ionic lichen
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MY BLADE, PURGE ALL EVIL

eternal sparrow
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really hoping a shorekeeper rerun isnt near her banner

ionic lichen
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Need to hop on the game

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Havent done the dailies for a few days