Ethereal needs a buff [massive yapping warning]

[hardy ermine]

Ethereal needs a buff as it feels very underwhelming when getting one. Is the second rarest and the most rare is monarch which is a massive buff. Compared to ethereal who only gives like a 50% dmg buff total. That feels very underwhelming as straight up the diffrence between the second rarest and the rarest trait is massive. So for all I want. Pls buff ethereal like maybe give it a total 100% dps buff.

So my reason to giving 100% dps buff. It make sense in my mind. Cus most units are 3 place limits. Monarch puts it down to 1 place limit butt give 300% dmg so it substitute the 3 place limit which make the unit now efficient as you spent less yen to get the same dps/dmg as 3 of that unit for just 1x the price. So I feel like ethereal would feel fair to have 100% dps buff as it's not like monarch as you still have to use lots of yen to play it all down to have kinda same dps as monarch.

Now then sorry for the yapping but now ik yall are gonna say oh the 55% dps boost is enough or sm. Yeah IT WOULD BE ENOUGH but we are talking about the second rarest trait here. The diffrence of monarch and ethereal is so big. Like there's a 0.075% diffrence in them in either getting a very op trait or a kinda not good but not bad trait. It's just ethereal doesn't feel like the second rarest trait in the game because it's buffs are not really good but atleast good enough ig.

And for those people who ain't hearing this whole yapping here's a conclusion:
Ethereal needs a buff as it doesn't live up to its name as second rarest trait in the game and feels very underwhelming compared to the rarest trait which is monarch and is so op and good. But then we got second rarest trait who's not bad but also not good. As it gives a 50% dps boost only. Which is why ethereal should get 100% dps boost to actsully live up to is "second rarest trait" and rival monarch trait a little bit more.

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[hardy ermine]

Ethereal needs a buff [massive yapping warning]

[little vessel]

making ethereal 100% dps buff would make it waaay better than monarch 😭

[hardy ermine]

Should it be like 100% dmg buff then?

[little vessel]

wdym

[hardy ermine]

Like same as monarch where it buffs more on dmg then the other stats. Ethereal will just give like 100% dmg and 5% cd and 5% range

[little vessel]

it would still be better than monarch

[hardy ermine]

How tho? You spend more money to rival kinda the same dmg as monarch as you have to place all 3 of them

If you place all 3 down you only get half of monarchs dmg which is 150% more dps for this ethereal buff rn

[crimson wave]

????

?????

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yk

thats stupid

[hardy ermine]

Ok and? That's my opinion bro. Ethereal is kinda underwhelming is buffs are big diffrence compare to monarch who has crazy buffs.
And there's only a 0.075% diffrence in them

Also most units i see these days deadeye always seems to be better then ethereal for most of the units

[hardy ermine]

Also for god sake I made a paragraph for yall people who think "oH 50% dPs BuFf Is GoOd EnOuGh"

[little vessel]

well idk if you noticed

but each trait is meant to buff something

solar buffs range, ethereal buffs spa, deadeye crits and monarch damage

making ethereal just a worse monarch feels stupid

[hardy ermine]

Ethereals spa isn't really good enough as I never saw that. I do see that solar and deadeye buff crit or range

But ethereal is just only 20%

If yall are fine with like maybe instead a 50% spa increase

Then I will still take that as atleast is a buff

[little vessel]

50% spa increase would make it extremely broken bro 🥀

[hardy ermine]

Then tf is 20% spa and dmg buff gonna do? It still gives 50% dmg buff only which feels underwhelming for the second rarest trait in the game?

[little vessel]

ethereal is still EXTREMELY good on units with high spa like katakuri

[oblique anvil]

For reference, birb was originally going to be able to roll SPA instead of crit damage, but for both balance reasons and technical reasons that was removed, because too much SPA quite literally breaks the game in terms of animations and stuff sometimes

Ethereal is still a really good trait for where it’s at. If you’re not relying on any crit stuff, there’s no point to deadeye, and monarch is just monarch. It’s the short content demon

[hardy ermine]

Is just ethereal doesn't feel like it brings much in a game. As you don't really see any diffrence compare to monarch

[ivory sand]

I’m start to feel like people want Eth buff because they miss 0.75% to monarch atp

[hardy ermine]

0.075% is crazy diffrence

And you can either have a not good but not bad trait. Or the best trait which would really boost you alot

Which is why idk man is so gosh underwhelming what ethereal is

As his the second rarest by 0.075% diffrence only

[oblique anvil]

I mean, monarch isn’t that much of a dps buff compared to ethereal on like 95% of the cast

[noble girder]

Def not 100 percent buff

[ivory sand]

I alway see Eth as another side of coin with monarch, like it’s not opposite if you know what I mean but it’s use for another case like Unit with 4/5 placement or support unit

[noble girder]

But i agree kinda

[ivory sand]

Katakuri is an example

[oblique anvil]

It’s just the cost efficiency is so important because of how the game doesn’t revolve around infinites where monarch doesn’t matter nearly as much

[snow barn]

maybe bump the dmg and spa to 25% but any huge change is just overtuned

[crimson wave]

pokeblinks rework are little to m uch

100% dmg or 50%

[sinful schooner]

Even on high placement monarch is better for 95% of the game

[crimson wave]

that is true

[sinful schooner]

Because for some reason all content is like 15 waves

[crimson wave]

ethereal still can be used and can be better but monarchs slams

[sinful schooner]

Also can they stop making monarch merchants every update

Fucking global cd abilities pmo

[crimson wave]

agreed

vergil, goku, delta is the only ones that benefits from ethereal this update

[sinful schooner]

And goku is only used as a support

[vestal burrow]

Ethereal indeed doesn’t need a buff

[sinful schooner]

Yea monarch needs a nerf

[ivory sand]

You know the devs gonna get jump horribly if that happen right?

Keep trait as it is right now, I see no issue tbh

[opal bough]

ethereal doesn't need a buff

birb needs a nerf

that's why it's underwhelming, because deadeye's just better

100% would just break the meta

the best trait on everyone will just be ethereal

100% dps is like doubling your placements

[dreamy sun]

i mean i highly doubt people would still use ethereal over monarch on units with global abilities that heavily rely on passives, also wouldn’t really see a purpose of them choosing ethereal for progressive runs either, so it would be an infinite trait regardless with how the game is heading

not to mention even deadeye would still be the best for many units even if ethereal got a 100% buff with how bird is

[opal bough]

not rly

only a couple

very small amount

[lone thicket]

50% dps increase is NOT underwhelming, cry more dude

[dreamy sun]

VSJW, and realistically almost all the top 10 units all benefit from deadeye more than ethereal

even for infinite runs

even if it got a buff they still would besides gogeta probably

[opal bough]

if ethereal was a 100% dps vsjw would be better off with ethereal

[lone thicket]

because really, ethereal isnt made for 3 placement units

its meant for those 4 placements

[dreamy sun]

no, because of his arise

[opal bough]

unless the unit hp is rly high

neemy*

[dreamy sun]

yeah correct

[opal bough]

you realize that the other summons also get buffed with dmg

[dreamy sun]

You are not using his other summons over deadeye for infinite lol

[opal bough]

arise isn't even that good unless the enemy hp is pretty high

[lone thicket]

its just the dev's way of trying to make unit trait setups have more variety than "monarch, monarch, deadeye, monarch"

[opal bough]

"infinite"

yeah only infinite

all units would prefer ethereal in normal gamemodes

[dreamy sun]

Arise does 400k dmg in saber boss rush with traitless soooo

with 3 players

[opal bough]

player multiplier

[dreamy sun]

no one would prefer ethereal over monarch for progression.

you can only max 2 units

in almost all cases

[lone thicket]

I mean

on vegeta I would

[dreamy sun]

besides challenges

[opal bough]

2 max units is more dps than monarch

[dreamy sun]

well yeah on vegeta 💀

[lone thicket]

choi

[dreamy sun]

i wouldn’t use choi for progression

he takes too long

much better options

[opal bough]

wait

almost the same actually

[lone thicket]

maybe not for progression, but still a unit that needs ethereal over deadeye / monarch

[dreamy sun]

yeah the argument is even if ethereal got a buff on its dmg i dont see a purpose of using it over deadeye on a unit like VSJW, rem and ram, dante, vergil (maybe for the spa), or even the dbz units

[crimson wave]

massive

[dreamy sun]

diavolo and gogeta will also still be monarch ngl

[opal bough]

if you place all 3 ethereal units and upgrade them proportionally they will have more dps than a maxed out monarch probably

[dreamy sun]

obviously

[dreamy sun]

i mean they do currently?

[silver copper]

https://tenor.com/view/muzan-walk-gif-7217159350957380344

[dreamy sun]

i don’t get why you’re complaining if that’s the case

[opal bough]

ethereal would be pretty good on diavolo if it did 100%

[lone thicket]

well yeah, but all the dbz units were mostly built around crits to try to tip the scales in trait setups so people weren't just spamming monarch on everything

[somber smelt]

Massive like

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-massive-the-meme-is-still-massive-yeah-no-massive-gif-9995754776955392143

[dreamy sun]

realistically all units do more dmg with ethereal than monarch currently

[outer isle]

TS is so tuff

[dreamy sun]

except gogeta and under 2 placement units

[crimson wave]

Goku is the only one thats better in ethereal💔

[opal bough]

yeah that's even more powercreep to monarch

[dry atlas]

i mean yeah but deadeye lowkey better now

[outer isle]

Deadeye overtook eth

[dreamy sun]

yeah cause of bird

[opal bough]

imagine forgetting mr satan

[dry atlas]

yep

[shell burrow]

Yea ngl it needs a buff but not too big

[crimson wave]

he needs deadeye

dummy

😭

[dry atlas]

give it like cost reduction or smth

[crimson wave]

his best trait is deadeye

[opal bough]

I thought you7 were saying the opposite 💔

[crimson wave]

[shell burrow]

Or make a unit that its thebest trait on

[crimson wave]

@snow mirage monarch better overall right?

[opal bough]

do not ask latency bri

[snow mirage]

whuy did i get pinged

[dry atlas]

i mean ragna and vergil

[snow mirage]

support

eth better

[shell burrow]

Cause u suck

[dreamy sun]

realistically isn’t solar / ethereal meant for support units anyways or those with more than 3 placements 💀

[opal bough]

ethereal is perfectly balanced, better than monarch on 3/4 placement units if maxed out
it's only underwhelming because deadeye's better and it's like 2x less rare

[crimson wave]

then why do you have monarch

[snow mirage]

goku prolly better eth

[snow mirage]

i dont have monarch on goku

[crimson wave]

he is

[snow mirage]

wdym

i have deadeye

[crimson wave]

it was hercule

[snow mirage]

💀

[crimson wave]

i was talking about hercule

[snow mirage]

oh

[crimson wave]

😭

[dry atlas]

yeah idk what they were thinking with birb

[dreamy sun]

birb gives more of a dps increase than deadeye and egg alone 💔

[opal bough]

do not let the guy who balanced birb balance anything ever again

[opal bough]

it's better than all the traits combined if it's a rly good birb

not combined

but its better than all

[dry atlas]

shit made deadeye best trait for everything aslong as you have a half decent roll lmao

[dreamy sun]

45% max crit dmg with a god roll corruption 3 💔

[shell burrow]

Deadeye rengoku

[opal bough]

ts is my ratio

they don't need to buf ethereal they just need to nerf birb

[dry atlas]

but but my godroll

[dreamy sun]

they’ll probabaly just add another familiar to buff ethereal 💀💀

[snow mirage]

wait

[dry atlas]

wouldnt make sense

[snow mirage]

who's ur fourth monarch

vergil ?

[dry atlas]

how would it buff ethereal

[opal bough]

you can't rly buff ethereal unless the familiar buffs the char depending on how much spa they have

[dreamy sun]

bird didn’t maybe any sense het here we are 💔

[opal bough]

smth like that

[dry atlas]

as in like spa or what

[crimson wave]

pmo

[dreamy sun]

more dmg buff and spa/range in exchange for crit dmg and crit i guess

[shell burrow]

Het 💔

[dreamy sun]

yet 💔💔

[snow mirage]

aura

sukuna double evo when

[shell burrow]

Never

[dry atlas]

normalize your gogeta
5 monarchs incoming
affirm yes to confirm

[crimson wave]

i remember when you tried to beat tournament with sukuna

😭

[opal bough]

they won't do familiars that take away crit rate and crit dmg specifically because most units don't even have any in the first place, well they could but I don't think they would

[crimson wave]

Also i have it too

[opal bough]

I got like top 6 💔 it was my first tournament

[dry atlas]

diego better

[dreamy sun]

Yeah idk, they don’t listen to half the community anyways because apparently we’re all coping to them so just gotta wait and find out

i haven’t even been able to get rerolls for the last 3-4 days because of their challenge change 🔥

[opal bough]

@crimson wave show him your monarch diego

oh wait

it was ther ein the first place

😭

[dry atlas]

wait when did av show placements

what the frick

[crimson wave]

😭

[opal bough]

its 12 per day

[opal bough]

it doesn't even work properly

[dreamy sun]

it’s 16 now

[snow mirage]

16

[crimson wave]

mhm

16

[dry atlas]

wdym

[opal bough]

who the fuck is playing av for 8 hours

[dreamy sun]

but i haven’t done any challenges in the last 3 days except 2 to test and see if i got rerolls

i got 0

[crimson wave]

@snow mirage

[snow mirage]

zhryko

[opal bough]

it puts original placement when monarch unit

[snow mirage]

fym me

[crimson wave]

bro

FYM me

[dry atlas]

ohhh

still a nice feature
though

[dry atlas]

660 kills and monarch

💔

[crimson wave]

A smart person will know its 1 placement

😭

its used for traitless

lets say wl

youd prob dont know how much placement he is

[opal bough]

if they did ts for traitless they would've mentioned traitless dps asw

[snow mirage]

certain someone

is that even av

[opal bough]

ye]

[snow mirage]

crazy

[crimson wave]

crazy

[sinful schooner]

And it costs twice as much as the monarch did

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[opal bough]

it won't if you upgrade them equally (the ethereals)

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[opal bough]

all progressive stages are easy as fuck

so making ethereal that good in progressive would just give no reason to keep monarch

[sinful schooner]

Yea and I dont want to deal with placing multiple units in progressive

[opal bough]

since ethereal would be better for most of the game's content

[sinful schooner]

Make ethereal increase placements

[pastel bough]

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[opal bough]

all of the kind of hard content is like wave 20-30 or smth

ethereal would straight up be better than monarch

much much better

[pastel bough]

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[sinful schooner]

Wl is the only hard content

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[sinful schooner]

And its 15 waves

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[opal bough]

wl is not hard if you're not going for lb

[pastel bough]

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[sinful schooner]

Rare = good

[sinful schooner]

Obviously I was talking about bl

Lb

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[sinful schooner]

Im making fun of you mate

[opal bough]

you're only going for traits lb if you have multriple meta monarchs

why would the rarest trait not be the best trait in the game anyways

monarch's not supposed to be just a way to make your unit cheaper

it's supposed to be the overall best trait in the game

which it won't be with this ethereal buff

most content will prefer ethereal

buffing ethereal would also kill all the other traits

[sinful schooner]

You dont need that many

Cid, vergil, yhwach, gogeta, sjw

[opal bough]

"not that many"

5 is not a lot

but getting them on specific units is hard

[sinful schooner]

Just dont roll on units you wont use

You dont need a trait on units like goku

[opal bough]

like 98% of the community doesn't have 5 mnonarchs

let alone 5 monarchs on those units

[sinful schooner]

Yhwach, gogeta and sjw have been in the game for a while now

Honestly might not even need gogeta

[opal bough]

what if they get like deadeye/ethereal

they won't reroll that

[sinful schooner]

They should

[opal bough]

no they shouldn't

not everyone is going to go up to 2500 for monarch

[sinful schooner]

If they want to be competitive they should

And most players dont go all the way to pity

[robust nest]

why would it need a buff my goku with eth does more than my friends thats a monarch both having z+ sure the nuke i weaker but thats abt it

[sinful schooner]

Monarch on goku is a downgrade

Like on ragna

You want all 3 placements for cc

[opal bough]

wrong msg

mb

[sinful schooner]

Its alright I will forgive it

[opal bough]

That's true ig but ethereal will still be the overall better option for normal players

WL traits is mostly just for p2w

[sinful schooner]

Im f2p and I play wl

[opal bough]

you can get good traits on meta units

but it's way harder

if you're f2p

especially if the meta keeps changing

most f2p go for traitless

[sinful schooner]

Thing is powercreep isnt that bad

In av

Yhwach is still the best unit in the game

And hes 4.0

[opal bough]

it's pretty bad it's just that they make certain units soo strong to the point where future side units don't powercreep them
saber is still very good and is in the meta tier in the wiki tl yet she's a 2.0 dps unit

[sinful schooner]

Is it really that bad?

They release like 1 good unit per update

[opal bough]

that's the thing

only that 1 unit is used

[sinful schooner]

And even then theyre not objectively better than all others

[opal bough]

and everything else is forgotten

[sinful schooner]

Sure but its not like those units died to powercreep

They were never alive

[opal bough]

some of them were good

gilgamesh was good

died pretty much to powercreep

only good for infinite now

[sinful schooner]

Yea everything before 3.5 is dead

But I feel like thats just because of how old units were made

Their passives were literally just "this unit does more damage"

[opal bough]

yeah

although the passives aren't well made older av had absolutely no powercreep

[sinful schooner]

Igris got replaced instantly

[opal bough]

its just the high dmg numbers and insanely op passives that make units nowaday powercreep everything

you can make a unique passive without giving it high numbers

[sinful schooner]

Theyre doing that rn

Look at cid for example

Hes not just straight up better than all the old units

But he has a good use

[opal bough]

yeah

he was a good one

2.0 to 5.0 was pretty bad though

[austere aurora]

yo can we talk abt how unkown element just makes the others look like total shit

[opal bough]

um whast

[sinful schooner]

Yea elements are ass

[opal bough]

oh yeah

unknown element was not the move

its just better than all of the other elements combined pretty much

[austere aurora]

immune to status aliments and debuffs

brother

what

you basically got already the best 2 things you can have on a unit

[cloud nest]

Ong

Whole ahh passive under an element

[oblique anvil]

Just you wait

Unknown has a very obscure sort of downside that will become more clear in the future

[sinful schooner]

Is it that they dont get buffed?

[oblique anvil]

No

[dry atlas]

element rework son?

[oblique anvil]

no

[sinful schooner]

Holy shit they will add beneficial status ailments

And immune units wont benefit from them

[dry atlas]

so what

[oblique anvil]

no

[dry atlas]

need some awtd mechanics into this game ngl

with team synergy

[hardy ermine]

I understands yall reason but this make no sense. Uh yes let's just ignore the fact that ethereal is second rarest trait and there is only a 0.075% diffrence between monarch and ethereal

Monarch better cus its rarest. Yes make sense. But then second most rarest trait in the game doesn't count for being common sense it should be a Lil op

[hardy ermine]

Also btw you talk like a Lil kid😭 idk how to explain why but you just talk like a Lil kid ngl

😭

Also I understand yalls reason. I think i did too much buff difference

But from what I see
At this point make a new buff like -20% cost or sm idk as no matter what you can't raise dmg or cd reduction over 30% or else is just too op for ethereal

[late quartz]

Buff ethereal and deadeye(i don't have monarch)

[flat walrus]

Another prime example of why the suggestion channel needs to get 86'd

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[oblique anvil]

Except for the units that rely more on crits… Or the units that are limited by global cooldown abilities or things that scale better with raw damage numbers… Or ones that either need good placements or rely on having less placements, like with esdeath…

[tranquil kelp]

are we deadass

this ethereal buff is not necessary

it's half as rare as monarch

and monarch is supposed to live to its name as the best trait by far

it's not supposed to rival anything

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[rose forum]

Deadeye > Eth

With the new bird familiar, it’s safe to say deadeye solo eth

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[oblique anvil]

What

All the hits crit if the attack crits

[pastel bough]

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[oblique anvil]

No

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[oblique anvil]

The crit chance rolls at the start of the attack

If it succeeds, every hit is a crit

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[oblique anvil]

Hercule’s another easy example to see

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[oblique anvil]

It used to work that way

[pastel bough]

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[oblique anvil]

Then it changed

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[oblique anvil]

Can

But that’s not the point

Multi-hits currently have no advantage over single for crit atm

It just rolls on a per-attack basis, not per-crit

[rose forum]

for lb runs u run deadeye more than eth

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[rose forum]

deadye vjsw
deadeye choi
deadeye cid

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[oblique anvil]

Deadeye cid????

Who cares if the nuke can crit if it’s only got a quarter of the damage to scale with

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