#Spend Time After Cid to Fix the Game

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round fog
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can't wait for okarun to get the 500% buff and still be worse then most of the new units

warped charm
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The other parts of odyssey look okay enough tho ig

warped charm
mild rune
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so AV team just shot themselves in the foot with that leak once more

warped charm
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Shit is going to be so buns 🥀😭

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Forced to use the buffed unit

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Gotta love av balancing

calm bluff
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I swear to god some of yall would be the same people to say some shit like

“Waiter, my steak is too juicy”

warped charm
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You are just dumb

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Sorry

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For your loss

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🤧

calm bluff
mild rune
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Personally I think the unit-buffing, now that its confirmed to be non-limited, could be a nice change of pace each week
Who knows, maybe Water/Nature could finally do something...

warped charm
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You are mandated to use a unit

warped charm
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Is that fun?

mild rune
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only one out of 6 though

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you then have to figure out what synergizes with that unit

warped charm
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There are no synergies

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In this game

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Only vergil

calm bluff
warped charm
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Has anything close to a synergy

calm bluff
mild rune
warped charm
calm bluff
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No synergy my ass

mild rune
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as well as Salter and Sokora being a hard-synergy

warped charm
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Ill give salter

calm bluff
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Mr satan and dante

warped charm
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Oh wow

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Oh wow

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Stat sticks!

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Such synergy

calm bluff
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Because you had 0 response to buu mr satan and gohan

warped charm
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Arent they all just stat buffs???

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Ion get it

calm bluff
# warped charm Arent they all just stat buffs???

Buu buffs specifically dbz units massively by damage and crit chance
Mr satan gives a good buff to dbz units in crit damage and damage (i think damage as well)
Gohan thrives off of crit damage and chance

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Synergy is literally just when units pair well with others

warped charm
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Yeah its just a crit statstick lol

calm bluff
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It doesnt need to be an elaborate strategy for it to be synergy, learn the definition

warped charm
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No

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Its called

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A buff

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Not a synergy

mild rune
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Hmm, I suppose maybe it has to go both ways

warped charm
calm bluff
mild rune
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I'm just trynna understand both

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I personally like to think of synergy as just something working well with something else

calm bluff
mild rune
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Yea

jovial jacinth
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10 mins

calm bluff
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even if he's even partially right, he shouldn't be defended because he's complaining that a game doesn't have ___ while also not understanding the definition of ---- to begin with

amber bear
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10 minutes w

warped charm
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So if i have fubuki placed around my units thats synergy?

calm bluff
slender trail
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absolute baboon*

calm bluff
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they're basically monkeys anyway

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*context

slender trail
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hey we dont tolerate primate racism

mild rune
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To be honest, regardless of who is right about Synergies I do think the tournament change is good so Baboon's criticism feels a bit harsh
It DOES change up the meta in practice, at least I think so right now

slender trail
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take that back

calm bluff
warped charm
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Alright

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Lets see a week in

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What you think

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I guarantee theres going to be a plethora of hotfixes

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For this “meta rotation” system

slender trail
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i mean honestly thats about as good as it gets for tournament without upending the entire sandbox

calm bluff
warped charm
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For sure

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Sjw will still absolutely be used

slender trail
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it does kind of scream "band-aid" solution to me

calm bluff
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still means half of my tourneys will be nice and vsjw-less

warped charm
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Wont speak on tournaments, since there hasnt been a full cycle to determine the effectiveness of the new system

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But starting with the raid

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Definitely a step in the right direction

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End game content should definitely be more mechanic heavy

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Glad that most people on the poll agree

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But even then the mechanics were not just undergwelming

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But they lacked thematic unity

astral cave
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i really expected everyone to vote for no mechanics on raids n stuff

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im really worried about the future mechanics though

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if they can't make the numbers work properly and its not even that unique to them

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then idk what we are going to face in the future

warped charm
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Yeah

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The numbers and beacons did not feel thematic at all

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And the mechanics just dont make sense

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How does saver repelling the cage make sense?

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Has anyone even figured out how to counter it without saber besides nuking?

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At least the devs are open to the idea

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Of complexity

fair oxide
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Any repulse unit can do it

warped charm
fair oxide
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You mean in the context of the anime?

warped charm
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Yes

fair oxide
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I wouldnt know honestly

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I havent watched eis

heady delta
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So you just take some time to set up farms and establish yourself before starting to chip through his health

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as for thematics, fuck if I know KEK

fair oxide
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I suppose it would get way tougher to create such mechanics if they had to make them canon as well

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I mean something like mahito clone was fairly easy to merge with thematics and made for a decent mechanic

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But does john smith not do any cage stuff like that in the anime

tight turtle
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I would rather run from the atomic bro

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😭

fair oxide
warped charm
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Order mechanics are good when theres layers of mechanics on top of it to make it a complete experience

tight turtle
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Trust

warped charm
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But right now it feels like an incomplete experience

fair oxide
frail notch
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I try to find other ways to not take that much time, setting up can roughly take 2-4 extra minutes

tight turtle
zealous seal
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Thats why the stage seemed so difficult

tight turtle
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Bro that cage scares me

fair oxide
heady delta
fair oxide
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Ohhh

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Man i thought it was waves based

heady delta
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On normal you can out repulse the bird cage

zealous seal
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I was so locked in buying and reselling inumaki to keep the cage open

heady delta
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On nightmare you can’t

fair oxide
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💔😭

regal shuttle
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nightmare one is so fast

heady delta
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It’s just to buy you a little more time

fair oxide
regal shuttle
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😭😭

tight turtle
zealous seal
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I thought that was rain at first

regal shuttle
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rather bring mr satan than a repulse unit

heady delta
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Cage is too fast to repulse permanently on nightmare

fair oxide
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Also, if its hp threshhold, the. If i just dont attack the boss until like wave 20 or smtn, it wont spawn ?

regal shuttle
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if u got monarch aizen just use mr satan instead of repulse

regal shuttle
zealous seal
fair oxide
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Okay but thats way better

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Cuz ive been worrying its wave based

heady delta
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The map is so long anyways

hallow crater
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uryu solos anyways so who cares

fair oxide
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So i place an aizen early and the. I just lose on the spot

fair oxide
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Cuz of the cage

heady delta
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You have plenty of time to just take it easy and farm up

fair oxide
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Oh wow great

fair oxide
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Tyyy

heady delta
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And get yourself set up before you tackle the boss

tight turtle
regal shuttle
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use aizen when u can do like 80k dps on him

heady delta
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Think of it like mmo boss taking time to buff before you go in

tight turtle
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Radahn?

fair oxide
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Yeahh nice

zealous seal
tight turtle
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I still can’t beat that boss

zealous seal
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The game literally gives you like 20 free summons

tight turtle
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How long has that DLC been out bro

zealous seal
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Maybe a year idk

tight turtle
warped charm
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yhwach/ichigo, aizen and repulse 🥱

astral cave
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i dont think its really doable

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like

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basing mechanics fully on the anime

warped charm
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is grounds for copyright?

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or?

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not easily achieved?

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or

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what

astral cave
# warped charm or?

you barely can think of a single mechanic that would be fun to execute and related to the theme

warped charm
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okay

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well

astral cave
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like lets think of a cool mechanic for jjk

warped charm
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what would you rate this mechanic from 1 to 10

astral cave
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its kinda fun though

regal shuttle
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better than energy drain

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its unique somewhat

astral cave
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not comparable i mean

regal shuttle
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cool mechanic

warped charm
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search up the omega protocol phase 1 guide for ffxiv

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tell me what you think of that

regal shuttle
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one day this game will add shifting maps like the gears one from btd6

warped charm
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bc its a mechanic off the top of my head that feels more or less similar to this

regal shuttle
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😭😭

astral cave
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i dont want to watch a vid

warped charm
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i guess i can explain it myself then

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basically

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abcd serve as the beacons

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and

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the entire team is given a debuff

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where

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they have to cleanse themselves of it

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in a certain order

astral cave
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i like where you're going but to be fair we shouldn't expect something that close to mmo mechanics

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its mostly kids who play this game afterall

regal shuttle
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its good but the community wont like it

astral cave
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i would love to see some kind of crazy mechanics like lost ark or ff14 too

warped charm
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and its just

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btd pvp

astral cave
tight turtle
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Yall know the little domain clash mechanic in JJI?

fair oxide
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Jji 💔💔

tight turtle
warped charm
fair oxide
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400k to 4k speedrun

warped charm
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and more importantly

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they have to tone down

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the sheer amount of runs

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they expect people to do

fair oxide
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Ong

astral cave
astral cave
warped charm
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my point in asking you that

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was to gauge what you rould rate it

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av seems to be open to more complex mechanics/stages

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but to balance it out

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they need to increase rates

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so you dont spend 50 runs doing a 20 minutes stage with no good rewards

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stages should be complex yes

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but players should be appropriately rewarded a good amount per run

fair oxide
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And they should be just as rewarding in return

warped charm
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to compensate

fair oxide
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Indeed

astral cave
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are there any summons in this anime

warped charm
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i havent

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but i think i can confidently say there isnt anything like this mechanic in the anime

astral cave
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i want to find a mechanic that would fit in this raid now

warped charm
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i think jjk is a good anime to make a raid out of

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especially with domain expansions as wipe mechanics or a dps phase

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breaking talismans and putting up/breaking down veils

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etc.

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and theres multiple characters that can be made boss entities for multiple encounters

warped charm
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simple domains as anti-wipe mechanic

astral cave
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cid can make illusions so i think a clone mechanic from lost ark's vykas gate 1 would somewhat fit

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its not too complicated but isnt too easy either

warped charm
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yeah

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no need for too much complexity

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but the mechanic should be pretty involved

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and require a level of team cooperation

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cid raid still feels like youre playing alone

heady delta
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Keep in mind, this raid was also just like, us dipping our toes into the idea of more involved mechanics

heady delta
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Testing to see how people respond, whether they like it or not

tight turtle
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Enemies that attack players when?!

astral cave
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atp i am just deaming

warped charm
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we need player mechanics

astral cave
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i wanna see more mmo mechanics in a td game so much

heady delta
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Future raids and stuff might actually involve more complex mechanics given that people enjoy it

warped charm
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more player mechanics i should say

astral cave
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its so unique

heady delta
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I want an RTS style mechanic of collecting money with workers

warped charm
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av would break roblox if it successfully created mmo pve encounters

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no roblox game has ever done that before

astral cave
heady delta
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I don't, unfortunately

astral cave
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can you just ask devs to look at games like ff14, lost ark

warped charm
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destiny 2, wow

astral cave
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they're the best ones in the industry in terms of raids

north dove
astral cave
warped charm
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deep stone crypt my goat

astral cave
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it has some very fun mechanics too, they're more similar to uhhh

heady delta
astral cave
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cod zombies easter eggs idk

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but they are so fun

warped charm
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orbital platform breached

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status: calamitous

north dove
fair oxide
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is this good?

north dove
warped charm
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the cid mechanics were both obvious and not intuitive at all at the same time

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if that makes sense

heady delta
fair oxide
north dove
heady delta
north dove
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destiny 2 raids are the same way

warped charm
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no indication

astral cave
warped charm
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of what to do

fair oxide
warped charm
fair oxide
warped charm
astral cave
warped charm
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d2 is a good balance

astral cave
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dual destiny was so fun too

north dove
simple dew
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attack the boss when you're 100% ready to melt him

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cabe appears after % hp so just kill him before he kills you

zealous seal
warped charm
stoic salmon
warped charm
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The rates and timegates for everything also pmo so much

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They expect you to work a 12 hr shift to farm familiars and familiar rerolls

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When 80% of the time you get dog

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And theres so much feature creep

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Good

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God

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We just need ONE good leveling /powerup system

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ONE good replayable gamemode

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Not ten mid ones

warped charm
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Gotta put this in here

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The level cap comment is insane

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How are they going to design the game both simultaneously pro and anti mango

candid charm
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h

candid charm
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they needa choose or make things better for people who choose the normal route

north dove
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Not everything in the game should be mango friendly

warped charm
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This middle ground is not going to cut it

north dove
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there is no need to choose a side

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they make some things mangoable and other things not

round fog
warped charm
round fog
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they should just lean into one of the 2

north dove
round fog
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please just add auto play atp

north dove
warped charm
north dove
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this aint ARX

warped charm
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“Hard”

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Inconvenient i should say

round fog
north dove
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its not hard at all to mango

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or inconvenient

round fog
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atp why dont they just add a auto play feature

warped charm
north dove
round fog
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everyones mangoing anyways

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whats the difference

north dove
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they dont INTEND to let you allow mango, but they wont go blatantly out of the way to destroy them unless they dont want you to mango the content

warped charm
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The ahk script might do it just fine

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But every time it gets more annoying for the manual players

north dove
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the unique mechanics that are good?

warped charm
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I say ahk script because that is the extent to which they are adding minor inconveniences to make manually grinding annoying

warped charm
north dove
warped charm
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You literally have to sit in afk chamber 12 hrs a day if you ever HOPE to get gogeta

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If you dont mango

north dove
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if you want a game like that, go play ARX

warped charm
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This game literally is just arx with extra steps

north dove
round fog
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not like the gameplay is so interesting that you HAVE to manually play it. there are like what? 2 stages that you actually have to do (besides competitive modes)

dusk gyro
north dove
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fr

round fog
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well actually

north dove
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double dungeon is absolutely mangoable

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what the

round fog
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you can mango double dungeon

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just remembered

dusk gyro
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gng all u need is uryu

round fog
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right

dusk gyro
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or u can sit on the statues lap

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like the old days

north dove
dusk gyro
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before uryu and delta 🙏

north dove
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but yea the only non mangoable thing is the new content (and btw its not non mangoable just more difficult to make one for it)

warped charm
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It is easy to make the game unmangoable they just refuse to do it

north dove
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because they dont want to make it unmangoable

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cuz mangos are a majority of their players

warped charm
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Vro

dusk gyro
north dove
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people want more unique mechanics

round fog
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kinda soldifies my point tho, game is meant to be grinded and make you spend as much time on it. They rarley try to make the stages interactive so why not just add a auto play system.

If people are gonna mango then mightaswell make it a actual feature

north dove
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thats all that poll means

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not "people dont like mangos"

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just that we want more unique things to be added

warped charm
north dove
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you can mango the cid raid

warped charm
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Scroll up and look at the raid mechanics we were discussing

north dove
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its not even that hard

warped charm
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Ill even reply to it

round fog
warped charm
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Let me get on my computer

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Cant do it on mobile for some reason

warped charm
north dove
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hey those are YOUR concepts

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not the developers

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we have no clue what type of unique mechanics the devs plan to add

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but if they are similar to what we've seen, they will be mangoable

warped charm
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Thats not the point

north dove
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it absolutely is the point

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the game isnt at all against mangos

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it never will be

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since a massive portion of the players use them

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and wouldnt play if they couldnt

warped charm
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The game soft forces you to

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More closer to hard forces you tbh

tight turtle
north dove
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you can if you want

tight turtle
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You’re not slick thug

warped charm
north dove
north dove
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there is no real way to "stop mangos" without massively hurting the regular user experience

stoic salmon
warped charm
stoic salmon
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just get rid of traits and no more mango

north dove
north dove
warped charm
north dove
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which is what this game is

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whats ur point

stoic salmon
tight turtle
warped charm
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“Market”

round fog
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buh

warped charm
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If there was an actual good anime tower defense with good mechanics it would instantly be top 1

tight turtle
tight turtle
round fog
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having good mechanics can't carry a game to number 1

stoic salmon
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i think they should just start addeding many unique and interactive mechanics from now on in new stages to make new stages fun and not
mangoable but also making rates fair

stoic salmon
north dove
warped charm
# round fog would it tho?

Of course it would an anime game already has a massive market if dev teams didnt just put all their stat points into vfx and put some into the core gameplay loop as well it would blow up

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Theres already a market for disillusioned roblox players too

tight turtle
round fog
round fog
# warped charm Oh 🤧

normal objective standards for game design get thrown out the window when considering atd players

warped charm
fading mango
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i enjoy tower blitz but that shit aint popular

warped charm
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To miso’s point

fading mango
stoic salmon
fading mango
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i enjoy the gameplay

warped charm
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I think its better to say

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Av already has the vfx down

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If they just reworked some of the gameplay

tight turtle
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Dem shiny models

warped charm
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It would become the ultimate atd

tight turtle
fading mango
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yes

round fog
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Just max out points in Quality and something that makes you feel productive while doing very little work then boom successful atd game.

Av just does it the best

tight turtle
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If they add Miso suggestions then the game is automatically gonna be the best

tight turtle
round fog
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would be nice

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aint gonna solve much of the major issues tho

stoic salmon
tight turtle
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-# I’m jus sayin shit

fading mango
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💔

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black suit

warped charm
fading mango
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maid

round fog
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butchered

fading mango
tight turtle
fading mango
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pokemon type stuff

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av is so like pokemon

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😭

round fog
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which isint just "Pokemon" stuff

fading mango
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i cannot scroll up

tight turtle
fading mango
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due to the millions of messages

warped charm
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Maybe

warped charm
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That was like right around that transition period

round fog
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it was in 3.0

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with the new dev team

warped charm
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I thought it was upd 2 they added elements

tight turtle
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Was it really?

round fog
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with portals

tight turtle
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I thought they added it on 3.5

fading mango
tight turtle
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Hold tf up

round fog
fading mango
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I remember andre working on gogeta

warped charm
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Doubt it was premade

round fog
fading mango
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he leaked old passive of gogeta

warped charm
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Working on gogeta when the game was dying is crazy work

fading mango
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whos giving these reactions and removing it

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😭

round fog
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idk im just pissed at how they handled the elemental reactions (for bias reason)

tight turtle
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Don’t think they’ll rework them anytime soon sadly 💔

round fog
warped charm
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Like 80% of the other garbanzo beans type gameplay elements

fading mango
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paragon💔

tight turtle
warped charm
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Type questions

round fog
narrow portal
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Stages do have a problem…

fading mango
narrow portal
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Wasn’t the entire last stage just a Naruto fest

round fog
narrow portal
fading mango
narrow portal
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Literally just straight Naruto

fading mango
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i was at china

round fog
narrow portal
warped charm
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Buff naruto guys! smile

narrow portal
round fog
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very cool

tight turtle
fading mango
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ye

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naruto def coming

tight turtle
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Yess really

fading mango
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cuz why is there so many naruto units

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alr

warped charm
fading mango
warped charm
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China is the bestest country!

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Though i get the stink eye cus im mixed

tight turtle
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side stories

round fog
warped charm
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False

round fog
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China aint allat

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Cleary do not know about the goat Dubai

tight turtle
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It is trust

round fog
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oops

warped charm
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Flat rice noodles though

round fog
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dubai aint a country

warped charm
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Uae

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You mean

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Nah

fading mango
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UAE sucks

tight turtle
warped charm
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Arabia overhyped

fading mango
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Dubai you get arrest in debt i believe

round fog
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i love my PHO

fading mango
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no proper sewege

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too

tight turtle
warped charm
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ten miles away theres either pirates, traffic, terrorists or all of the above

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You just shop and eat at restaurants at uae

fading mango
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or be a show off

tight turtle
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Side Stories in AV when?!
-# sayin shit

fading mango
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?

warped charm
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All we have are “story” stages

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😭

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Some story alright

tight turtle
fading mango
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nursery rhyme type story

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🙏

warped charm
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Terrifying Tyrant!

tight turtle
glass beacon
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Yes ngl increase scaling on modes

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I thought anime vanguards was originally meant to be played with people or friends

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Now I can just solo everything with monarchs

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Save the anime vanguard society

white smelt
warped charm
# white smelt whats wrong with that

People want to know what theyre going to do to change the current complaints with the game and not about what arbitrary anime content theyre doing for the next patch

digital hawk
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This suggestion I agree with 🙏🏻💯

mossy briar
narrow portal
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I assume most of the loss’ are from the “month or two” part

azure nymph
potent ruin
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Tbf it’s better than the als sweatshop

jovial jacinth
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I want to say 1 thing. This update should be realesed on weekends. Bc it was so buggy when released. For some time i just cant clear new raid bc of bugs.

warped charm
candid charm
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it all started from the dandadan raid

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theres a reason people do things

warped charm
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What ive been saying

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If the rates werent so bad

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And the modes were actually engaging

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And felt rewarding

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People wouldnt feel forced to use them

candid charm
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bro dubai is hell

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everything is so fake

tight turtle
candid charm
astral cave
warped charm
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Spend a Time After Cid to Fix the Game

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edited to make post less offensive to greenies

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Spend Time After Cid to Fix the Game

candid charm
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my gogeta is glitched I think

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spent like 300 rrs and no monarch hmm

vast delta
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Took me 2500 g

candid charm
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if you dont have it the 168k upgrade cost becomes less justified as there are better dps for far less

candid charm
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wrong use of that phrase

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never ping me again or i'll vaporize you.

warped charm
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tibi quaero ut ex scriptera mea litteram “L” auferas

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@clever flower

warped charm
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I guess learning a predominantly written language is now kind of pointless with ai

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Rip me

candid charm
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Ai is taking everyone’s jobs

azure nymph
candid charm
clever flower
clever flower
round fog
clever flower
round fog
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W mans

clever flower
# round fog W mans

If they do end up doing this they should do it after PVP is released though. I feel like PVP would be so replayable that some break time would be fine

candid charm
clever flower
tight turtle
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Vanguards Originals when?!
:

warped charm
jovial jacinth
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Bump

astral cave
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yeah bro wrap it up

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the bugs are crazy

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its ONE pixel off to the right

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no way it got past testing

heady delta
astral cave
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ubisoft fix your game

heady delta
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how could we ever miss this, im so sorry

astral cave
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it better be fixed by tomorrow or else im calling packgod

zealous seal
proper orbit
astral cave
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so they can learn from this

candid charm
tight turtle
azure nymph
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would u mind giving ur opinion on something?

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whats ur opinion on buying boss rush secrets from shop for 2k tokens

mild rune
azure nymph
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true

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yeah what zorutan said

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cant hate traits

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can buy from legacy shop

mossy briar