Spend Time After Cid to Fix the Game

[oblique nacelle]

7mil wisps no diavlo

[unique ermine]

ignore pweeny's ugly ass

[oblique nacelle]

Hate that update

[lofty sierra]

3.5 wisps no diavolo

[oblique nacelle]

Oooo yea choso

[lofty sierra]

i gave up after the "they're not gonna be super meta" statement

[unique ermine]

choso my goat

[oblique nacelle]

I forgot bout him

[unique ermine]

too bad alu powercrept him

[oblique nacelle]

U r so ready

For running lbs

[lofty sierra]

choso vanguard in 2026

dual element

fire/unbound

[oblique nacelle]

U got that meta team

[lofty sierra]

c/h/o/s/o

[warped charm]

No reason to run choso cus alu is 8 seconds now right

[oblique nacelle]

I js know if they do sukuna a vanguard they have to do gojo

[unique ermine]

choso todo fusion unit
they do brother barrages
peak unit

[oblique nacelle]

Or it wont be fair

[unique ermine]

yea alu makes all other bleeds useless

[lofty sierra]

choso sukuna fusion seems cooler

ngl

🔥

[oblique nacelle]

Its supposed to..

[frail notch]

Yeah, but apparently this also applies for wounded

[oblique nacelle]

Its good u still have ur choso

[unique ermine]

bring back the days of my choso being meta
i cant even get a traited run going cuz of it

[oblique nacelle]

Or u would be cooked

How many gems r u in again

Like 2 mil

[unique ermine]

1.91M

[oblique nacelle]

..

Peak alu

U got worse than nag

[unique ermine]

one of these days after i dont need him anymore i will get him

[warped charm]

Hah imagine not having two copies of alucard

[oblique nacelle]

5*

[unique ermine]

after complaining about not having alu to the ccs there was a total of 3 alus pulled within a hour of eachother

[warped charm]

[oblique nacelle]

Wont he js keep getting buffs

Unless they change the banner secret

[warped charm]

Are they shiny though?

[unique ermine]

nah
only thing to buff would be his dmg and i doubt that would happen
hes just kinda a forever meta support

[oblique nacelle]

Bro is doubting my shiny luck

[warped charm]

Thatd be lame asf

[oblique nacelle]

I got shiny yuha and gilga first try

[lofty sierra]

yea idt they're gonna buff him allat muich

[oblique nacelle]

Hmm what bout a alu evo tho

Second evo

[warped charm]

No shiny alu

[lofty sierra]

no unit is supposed to be perm meta or whatever

[unique ermine]

yea but vanguards are slightly different

they wont ever become fully irrelevent

[oblique nacelle]

They going back on that

With dia buff

[lofty sierra]

actually?

[oblique nacelle]

I mean it seems like it

[unique ermine]

alu is not part of that tho
he falls off in terms of dps until his dmg is useless

[warped charm]

Diavolo

[lofty sierra]

this was like a week ago

[lofty sierra]

diavolo is a rare case

[oblique nacelle]

Then they should lowky add another banner secret

[lofty sierra]

he was never upto the vanguard unit standards in the first place

[oblique nacelle]

And once they do ur curse will be lifted u get alu

[unique ermine]

lemme get alu first😭

[warped charm]

Yeah but vsjw is not even vanguard tier hes sjw tier

Lore accurate shadow monarch

[lofty sierra]

yea vsjw is

very fair

👍

unknown element is just ridiculous man

[unique cypress]

Why not Shinjuku arc?
Also since they promised to buff sukuna by giving him second Evo/any other
I feel like it would be better to let gojo and sukuna these old metas turn over a new leaf
Like giving gojo and sukuna their forms in the Shinjuku Showdown arc
Alongside with new canon moves and mechanics such as gojo's 200% Maximum Output Hollow Purple and Sukuna's World Slash For their new forms, I can even think of doing the arc to steal Mahoraga from megumi as a QTE They can joke on Go/Jo by adding it into the achievements
I'm not sure if anyone has alr made a suggestion on this but I feel like this is quite applicable

[proper orbit]

Gojo has alr reached his fullest potential like what other op attack besides Hollow purple 200% can they add?

I didn't read jjk cuz its mid but I know that's gojos strongest attack

While for sukuna they haven't given him mavolent shrine and world cutting slash

Sukuna I understand but for gojo hell nah

They should focus on other ppl like my goat hakari or megumi

[unique cypress]

@fading mango#000 @north shard

[unique cypress]

Constant firing domains

[unique cypress]

💀

Wait uh

[fading mango]

?

[unique cypress]

But this is acceptable as well

[unique cypress]

Lock this then

[unique cypress]

Like what both gojo and sukuna did by repairing their brains using reverse curse technique so they could bypass the burnout limit jjxx made for domains

And uh

Yea

They can be banner mythics as well

Like just straight off ripping them from aa

And

Like

I think I said smth wrong

[deep token]

Ain't that deep

[proper orbit]

yup they will not add wtv that is im assuming its the abillity to js say screw the cd for domain expansion
and use domain again its going to mess up the meta

and if they were to evo gojo that would be prac his only thing they are adding which they prob wont

[deep token]

They get those bugs patched in a jiffy

Why would they focus they entire time on just bugs when they do it during updates

Sound dumb

Just making us lose out on content for nothin

[unique cypress]

Yea.... Ok

Or just make it limited for a short period of time

[deep token]

Start blacklisting these people that give trash suggestions

Pmo

[unique cypress]

Like 2 mins

[proper orbit]

because ppl on lbs have to get the lbs constantly reset due to bugs
and their is barely any endgame besides lbs

[unique cypress]

Valid

But not for this

[deep token]

Skill issue

Wait till bugs are fully fixed

Before doing lb

That's common sense

You do it to yourselves

Wasting your own time

[proper orbit]

well i dont think the ppl on lb are in the devs team and know all bugs available in game

[fading mango]

[deep token]

They literally tell you

Are we serious

Shut up bro

Pmo

[proper orbit]

ok show me where

[fading mango]

:(

[deep token]

#「📚」update-log you fucking idiot

They tell you about every bug

Stop being a fucking idiot

And read

[proper orbit]

only banner bug is what i see

[deep token]

Leave me alone

[proper orbit]

oh getting mad are u about to cry?

[proper orbit]

then js dont respond

and i wont respond deadasss simple

[fading mango]

hm

[zealous seal]

Right like the turbo granny bug, the game restart bug, the double boss event reward bug

[mild rune]

They also fixed rifts more times than Mojang removed Herobrine

[jovial jacinth]

Bump

[warped charm]

Read the whole post how about

[ripe nest]

Preach omg

[proper orbit]

this mf comes thrashing ur suggestion look at the steamy shit he builds up

[warped charm]

Yessir the three musketeers of suggestions are bumped to the top

[proper orbit]

ong we js need 1 more to get to spotlight

[stoic salmon]

this suggestion isnt just about bugs. did u only read the first sentence or 2 ?

[warped charm]

w pack

[tepid sparrow]

There’s a inf gem glitch out rn ion think they’ve even patched it😭🕊️

[warped charm]

Fake news apparently

Testers discussing it in this thread last night

I didnt even know it existed in the first place

[tepid sparrow]

L fake cover up

I’ve seen people spend millions of gems

[heady delta]

A couple million gems on the profile isn’t even that unrealistic tbh

The screenshot of 200 million was old and long since patched

[unique ermine]

Yea earning millions was just release paragon😭

[tepid sparrow]

I mean I was ina call w someone that had around 100 mill like 4 or 5 days ago nd they was spinning

Maybe it was from a mango tho

Just seemed like a bit much

To do

[weak dune]

Hell nah, We already don't get that much content

[warped charm]

lol bro loves the current slop

[dusk gyro]

was the inf gems bug fixed yet

[heady delta]

It hasn't been a thing for a while lmao

[maiden glen]

What bug

[dusk gyro]

does that mean it was fixed or no

[unique ermine]

it was fixed months ago

[dusk gyro]

with the game not saving gems data?

[unique ermine]

yea

[dusk gyro]

oh ok

i swear i saw a vid the other day of some guy showing it

[heady delta]

Someone showed a screenshot probably

If there's a new one, it's completely unknown. But the one that was "leaked" was just an old method that's long since been patched out

[dusk gyro]

oh ok

[warped charm]

Did data loss ever get fixed? I know many people a while back were complaining about losing their tournament and lb rewards

[plain estuary]

best suggestion made so far this month

av players are waking up

[rain ivy]

Bugs aside for a moment, I think the real challenge is designing something that isn’t just another gamemode where you sit and do something for a set period of time. And that’s not just an issue with this game, it’s a common trait in almost every tower defense game. You start with a unit, place it down, watch it do its thing, win the game, and repeat. There's very little direct control over the units beyond occasionally activating an ability once or twice per match.

Also it did seem like the developers tried to make a grindy gamemode with a free vanguard unit (VSJW) but the feedback was rather picky to say the least. With some liking it, but most whom didn't have much time on their hands really disliking it. I'd say honestly this newest update with buu and the evo earing was right down the center with the grind aspect with no one real complaining which was nice to see.

I do agree that you do feel more productive whilst away from playing, that much I understand the most. It's honestly a really difficult thing to solve in a game like this cause as mentioned before, really only so much you can do without ruining everything.

[stoic salmon]

i think atd gamemodes need interactive gameplay in order to be fun or be very challenging/strategic but av cant do the 2nd option bc it has traits

[round fog]

solution remove traits

[stoic salmon]

honestly should but traits cant be removed from this game bc of its way too late

[round fog]

better late then never

rework then compensate

[warped charm]

Do they even make money from traits anymore

[heady delta]

You can always just do traitless content. But you can't do it too much because then it just detracts from the work and grind people put in for their traited units

[round fog]

who knows probably not i assume because of the inflation

skin bundles and Bp are were it at ong

[warped charm]

Yeah i was going to say it separates the game in half

[round fog]

• the juicy premium payout

[warped charm]

Yeah $100 mounts are diabolical

And i fell for it

😭

[round fog]

vanguard bike was worth it

[rain ivy]

I lowkey still want the new bike

Been tempted

[warped charm]

I got cavaliere

[round fog]

[warped charm]

[round fog]

please let me refund the vanguard bike

[warped charm]

😭🙏

[stoic salmon]

same

[warped charm]

The aura chair lowkey clears my bike 🥀🤧

[stoic salmon]

looks cool

[warped charm]

Dont

I order you

Do

Not

[warped charm]

I think you touch on the key point about how there is very little dimensionality to how you can interact with your units. There is very little active management, very superficial leveling systems, no true way to actually power up your units dynamically other than with traits and familiars (and the familiar corruption system is just garbage), unevod units are just unit index filler, and attacks do very little beyond dealing some type of damage with the occasional cc, with passives not doing very much beyond improve x stat after y condition is met

Most of the time being conditions which passively are achieved instead of requiring active management

But they also need to reduce the volume of runs you need to complete content or grind for a certain reward

The amount of portals you have to do for gogeta or diavolo back in the day are a borderline human rights violation if you expect people to do it manually

[terse mango]

“Manually”

[warped charm]

Very little cross unit interaction

Too

[jovial jacinth]

Char is cooking

[warped charm]

Yummy

[jovial jacinth]

Get ready

[rain ivy]

(dont put that on me)

[warped charm]

🍴

[rain ivy]

Currently typing out an old concept I wanted to submit

[jovial jacinth]

U was really typing this for that long

[rain ivy]

that includes the player interacting with the game

I never submitted it cause it seemed kinda silly but hey never know

[warped charm]

Devs have been sleeping on this

Direct player mechanics are lowkey the solution

Along with some other things

[terse mango]

I thought sokora salter synergy was cool

Too bad it INSTANTLY got powerecrept into oblivion

[warped charm]

The storm is approaching…

[rain ivy]

How does interacting with a map sound? I've had this concept brewing in the back of my head of, "Protect the package" type of gamemode.

-You spawn near a moving cart that stops on every 3 points. Whilsts it moving you have to defend it with your units. Once a cart reaches a point (it becomes a checkpoint) and you have to defend it for 2 minutes with bosses and enemies coming out from 4 angles (Like the ANT Map). Youll do this for 2 points till you reach the 3rd point. There will be an interactive canon or some weapon you can use to help defeat the boss as it reaches its final point. Rewards and all that jazz is whatever, its just a concept of actually PLAYING something rather than sitting around.

I've had this since like update 2 lmao

[warped charm]

It would be a good mode if the meta right now was not “max your monarch”

[rain ivy]

Sure it can be fleshed out, but its just a concept. I've always loved the idea of taking exsiting popular modes and spinning it into TD

[rain ivy]

You could say this is traitless for the time being

[stoic salmon]

cool concept but i dont think this should be an entire gamemode. i think it should be a mode in a gamemode like imagine a gamemode having different types of concepts and mechanics. its what odyssey could have been

like 1 gamemode having 10 different gamemodes

[warped charm]

Nah

Odyssey should have been a true roguelike mode

[rain ivy]

I mean what if like the last act of a story had its own mechanic instead?

[warped charm]

But it was gutted

[rain ivy]

Would that solve that?

[warped charm]

And served in a slop tray

[stoic salmon]

yes

[terse mango]

That’s literally never going to change in a million years

[rain ivy]

Interesting

Would you want replayability though?

[warped charm]

Story needs a unique identity

In the game

[rain ivy]

Cause once you finish a story act, you never really go back.

[terse mango]

Bro odyssey right now is not only a bad concept but also buggy as hell

[warped charm]

Like campaign missions

[north shard]

i think owner should jsut hire devs for bugs only

its not like he doesnt have enough money

he makes hunders of thousands

[stoic salmon]

youd be able to replay it but with the current story reward system there wouldnt be a reason to replay it besides experiencing it again

cool concept that u sadly only play once

just calls for a proggression rework

[warped charm]

Yes, hopefully this post conveys the idea that multiple things need to be reworked simultaneously

Devs, there sure is a lot of engagement in this thread! Maybe that means something and you should check it out

[warped charm]

It should be encouraged

But av goes way too far on one end of the spectrum

[warped charm]

As any live service should

[warped charm]

I dont know why av copied aa down to a T

Everyone knows aa is ass

[nocturne quest]

my biggest complain about the latest update isnt even how badly odyssey worked, but actually the rewards from it.
Literally, who the hell thought that making the corruption system 100% rng was a good idea? on top of getting the unit RNG (banner), you need to get a good trait (RNG, again), get the familiar for the exact type of element your unit is (RNG, AGAIN) and on top of all of that, you need to corrupt your familiar. And you most likely wont even get the corruption you want. Its just such a unnecessary mechanic that feels like it was just put there so that players had atleast one reason to play odyssey

We did NOT need familiar corruption

[zealous seal]

Corruption should have just been a way to reroll your familiars

Not performing enhancing drugs

[warped charm]

Everything in update 5 was fucked up

[whole cradle]

update was so mid that i only evod 1 unit can’t be bothered to do anything else

[half knoll]

"there are no bugs in av"

the competitve and end game scene of av is so cooked rn

😭 🙏

[warped charm]

Yet all the slop creators glazed the hell out of it

AB Plays: excellent update

Pery: amazing update

LorTormo

The list goes on

Game so ass people genuinely asking for shop resets, 2x reward gamepasses, 2x speed gamepasses

[orchid prawn]

Yea guys let’s fix the game! I agree! So we should all go star my suggestion to fix console navigation/ui!!! (I’m trying so desperately to get these last 9 stars plz humor me)

[round fog]

you mean 10

[orchid prawn]

NOOOO

MY FRANCHISING IS IN SHAMBLES

[round fog]

👅

[warped charm]

11 now

39 stars

[orchid prawn]

MY FRACHISINNGGG!!!!

😭

I can’t even be mad cause Ts also funny too

[round fog]

well to bad

10 now

[warped charm]

Gave my star back

[orchid prawn]

my feelings are being thrown through a loop

[whole cradle]

i wish they ban ab from cc he always uploads slops and on stages he asks no enticful and lortomo aswell but sometimes he asks good ones

can’t rly blame perry since he’s just a td youtuber on multiple tds/commentator so he doesn’t rly go into depth on games imo

[warped charm]

Omg bro you reminded me of one of the things that pisses me off the most about av

The content creators are so inept at interviewing it rattles my mind

We need dedicated community staff to compile questions

I volunteer

[whole cradle]

av does no end game content imo because they want to attract new players rather then keeper players near the end tbh the only thing i see end game players do is mango rrs or mango other stages

[warped charm]

Except new player experience is so bad

Before they released dante and Vergil at least

Now everyone can solo rifts

Awesome sauce!

[frail notch]

Lortomo still thinks cid will be a vanguard, of course hes not in touch with the community or anything else than his theories

[warped charm]

Is cid not a vanguard?

He looks like a standalone unit so thats what i also thought

[frail notch]

In the last stage the devs answered something about vanguards not beign connected to themed updates.

Obviously this update is about eits

So cid cant be the vanguard unit

[warped charm]

I cant tell i only recognize cid

Im assuming the maps are eits related?

[round fog]

yeah

[frail notch]

Exactly

[round fog]

looking like its going to be a cid boss rush

[frail notch]

Tomo was in last stage prob and he didnt know about this

[warped charm]

🌚

[frail notch]

I could be wrong tho

[warped charm]

Boss rush!!!

[round fog]

idk i could be wrong, just my guess

[warped charm]

Not a bad one

Idk if cid is a villain though

Havent watched eits

[round fog]

well hes a villian from the perspective of normal civilians

im pre sure

anti hero was it?

[warped charm]

🤔

[terse mango]

factual

but odyssey is just a HUGE load of shit

[terse mango]

😭 dont crush my dreams

[terse mango]

become content creator

[frail notch]

U need charisma and personality to be a content creator, specially in younger audiences

Not something everyone has

[terse mango]

he has hella charisma whatchu mean

[terse mango]

bro how do all the av youtubers not actually understand the game at all

its actually crazy

[frail notch]

Because their primary objective is for their chanel to grow

Instead of focusing on delivering everything about the game

Im not a content creator myself but thats very basic knowledge

Views matter over anything else

[mild rune]

Plus whenever the newest shiniest ATD comes out they'll just ditch the current ones, so why invest so much effort anyway

[frail notch]

Exactly

[heady delta]

I mean for the most part, a fair few of them do actually understand the game at the very least

[white smelt]

Buff uryu

[heady delta]

why are you so set on this 😭

[terse mango]

hop off

[white smelt]

No

Not until uryu is buffed

[heady delta]

He's legitimately fine where he is lmao

[mild rune]

Make him 6 placement

[terse mango]

he has the highest dir in the game what do u want

[white smelt]

Higher

[terse mango]

bro

[mild rune]

Isn't Gogeta technically higher
I'm pretty sure the formula doesn't account for teleporting

[terse mango]

2nd highest dir

mb

still

[heady delta]

Wdym bro his DIR is 0

[terse mango]

Outta here

[heady delta]

I’m still begging for that stat to be hard coded at 0

The most important fix in the game

[jovial jacinth]

Bump

[zealous seal]

Yea like raijin was the only one asking real questions

The others were like "uh so you know naruto"

[tight turtle]

Vigilante?
-# I think

[oblique nacelle]

Uryu so goated

[zealous seal]

Looks like update will be next week

[warped charm]

Good

[warped charm]

I am very charismatic

[warped charm]

Close to none of then can objectively assess the quality of mechanics though

Everyone was eating up the corruption system

As if it wasnt the most ass powerup system in the game to date

[mild rune]

I always wanted another layer if uncertainty to the already hard to grind (and limited) familiars!!

As if its fair in any way that people can power up familiars that you cant even obtain anymore, god its so stupid

They had the opportunity to make the grind less bad, but did the opposite

If the 1% to 50% was WITHIN the cap, there'd not really be a problem

Though Corruption IV is also just insane, 10% dmg boost is practically the difference between the shittiest Z and strongest Godly

[lament olive]

They said they will bring back old familiars like they'll make them obtainable again

[mild rune]

Did they actually? Fascinating

[lament olive]

Tbh ts isn't so deep

The only reason ppl are bored is bcuz of how easy it was to get the new units and their evolution

Except for Buu ig?

And it's hard to make a td game fun for long and only way most games pressure ppl into playing and grinding is by adding rlly hard to get units but also making them feel rewarding

Like vsjw in av for example ppl actually did go thru those 50 painful kills just bcuz of how rewarding his evolution is

[proper orbit]

Buu was not hard to get

[lament olive]

Only issue tho is even tho they cooked AA for adding double unique vegito isn't Vsjw literally just as stupidly op? Especially with monarch

[proper orbit]

Compared to other units buu like medium

[lament olive]

And the stage scaling just doesn't feel challenging for endgame players

I'm sure they are still figuring it out and especially the amount of yen u get nowadays from the new maps is stupid lol

[mild rune]

you basically have to completely give up the wave 30 tournaments without him
there is no chance you will beat someone who uses vsjw

[lament olive]

But I don't rlly mind it so much cuz jin woo isn't limited it's just that the game isn't scaled for someone with monarch vsjw

AA ( was ) fun cuz the stages were hard and you had to actually do it with ppl like u would interact with ppl while doing it and u would often grind for rare limited units

[mild rune]

I really like that he isnt limited, but the summon menu is so clunky that i stopped doing tournaments ever since he was added

[proper orbit]

Vsjw isn't a problem like double unique vegito icl double unique vegito completely fucked aa's balances
Monarch vsjw doesent have more dmging effect like double unique vegita

[lament olive]

He still makes the whole game boring once u have him

[proper orbit]

even tho u didnt have the game is boring still

[lament olive]

They rlly need to start adding harder evolution system harder stages

[proper orbit]

i dont want sum aut questline but i agree with harder evolutions

[plain estuary]

kind of is the same maybe it doesnt show but vsjw can basically used for anything because hes so versatile same as vegito in aa he can literally be used for anything

[plain estuary]

fr vsjw quest wasnt hard at all just a lot of easy repetitive gameplay which made it even worse

[lament olive]

The whole problem is the fact that game is easy, comp in ATD is always filled with bugs and glitches doesn't matter what game while the thread is stupid cuz it asks the devs to fix something and take over 2 months just for it to return cuz it's inevitable it does point out the fact that the end game is rlly stale cuz of overpowered passives of units

[proper orbit]

not really monarch vegito solo's all stages in the game that dont got physical debuff
while here monarch vsjw can prob solo a portal with holy but u needa use nukes
i do agree both got damaging impact but aa's is worse

[unique cypress]

Monarch gogeta: ...?

Monarch Vergil+Esdeath+Todo: ...?

[nocturne quest]

thats 3 units

😭

[proper orbit]

monarch gogeta cant solo regen with holy portal

[lament olive]

And not to mention I still believe the only challenging stuff this game gives us is regen ( like regen of buu in act 3 ) but then again units like lancer exist which make the stage a joke

[unique cypress]

127k dps

[plain estuary]

fr but there isnt many stages with physic debuff even if it probably doesnt matter because hes so strong same can be said for vsjw thats just how i see it

[unique cypress]

Have you tested yet?
If yes
I have nothing to say

[nocturne quest]

3 units

[unique cypress]

"DPS"

[nocturne quest]

thats half your loadout

2 farms and then you have 1 slot for something else

[proper orbit]

my friend tested it in a t10 winter portal
he struggles with regen but holy and regen he literally cant

[plain estuary]

any meta monarch can do it tbh with the 100% unit/skin boost

[unique cypress]

This is my Gogeta

[unique cypress]

My gogeta only deals 35k DPS on himself without anything

[proper orbit]

not really aa is tested constantly ofc they are gonna be bugs
the thread is kind of a suggestion for the devs to fix most of the problems
cuz if he listed em all that would be way to long

[nocturne quest]

thats almost 4x less than what you just said

[lament olive]

Guys yall don't hate the jinwoo update right? Like yes it's boring to get 50 kills and let's assume u didn't afk it, it still pushed you to go thru it just bcuz of how good jinwoo is I feel like we need more multi player updates

[unique cypress]

Yea that's why

[proper orbit]

yh try it on a t10 winter portal with holy or regen

[nocturne quest]

and i wasnt even talking about gogeta, i clearly replied to THIS

[unique cypress]

127k dps

[nocturne quest]

half your loadout

[zealous seal]

Nah the sjw was also trash

[nocturne quest]

😭

[unique cypress]

Check out the new shrine video💀

[lament olive]

Why?

[zealous seal]

Once you got the vanguard there was nothing to do

[lament olive]

I wasn't talking abt that tho? I was talking abt the specific stage which made u play with other players

[unique cypress]

140k DPS with freeze units' damage

[zealous seal]

Oh dungeons
I guess theyre fine

[nocturne quest]

(the entire loadout dps)

[proper orbit]

the vsjw upd was good tbh

[nocturne quest]

😭

[zealous seal]

But they have no replay value

[unique cypress]

@nocturne quest ?

It's only 3

[proper orbit]

after u buy everything in the shop sure

[lament olive]

Exactly but imagine a difficult stage like that which requires teamplay and has replayability

[nocturne quest]

2 farms

[stoic salmon]

many players mangod it bc they couldnt be bothered to do something repetitive n boring for so long even tho it was rewarding

[plain estuary]

what do yall think yhwach or gogeta which one has more dps if u use the best loadout for each one

[unique cypress]

While I can move my units using Todo to gain more dir
It's like 25m+ dmg

[zealous seal]

You will easily buy all the rrs by the time you get sjw and choi

Assuming you even get choi

[stoic salmon]

i think ywach

[plain estuary]

i got choy before the key on my 20th ish run ion remember

[nocturne quest]

does that change the fact you're literally using your entire loadout for the strategy? it isnt broken or anything, you're just using a strategy you found somewhere else

[lament olive]

But we can't deny it certainly made us play with ppl and it kinda was challenging I was just want to see more stages like that

[zealous seal]

They should definitely focus on more multiplayer. Playing with others makes everything much more fun

[unique cypress]

Gogeta is meant to be used alone

[stoic salmon]

i solod it

[plain estuary]

not really

unless its a 15 wave mode

[unique cypress]

Yep
But uh Cheesez iirc a youtuber who did it with Marksman on Vergil

[nocturne quest]

said no one ever

[proper orbit]

hmmmm i thin prob gogeta if we using the right buffs
but if we comparing them like max upgraded yhwach better ovr but gogeta does more dps

[lament olive]

Which is why I'm talking abt a stage which requires ppl to play with and would be rewarding

[unique cypress]

Archer is for him
But he's just mid

[mild rune]

Which of them thought "Oh yea, lets make Odyssey singleplayer!" is a good idea?
What kind of "Odyssey" is done alone???
They need to COMPLETELY drop singleplayer

[proper orbit]

i dont think forcing ppl to cooperate to beat a stage is a fun way of designing a difficult game mode

[stoic salmon]

do u have a idea in mind

[proper orbit]

game modes shouldnt require cooperation but encourage them

[plain estuary]

with the right loadout yhwach can get around 3x gogetas dps

[unique cypress]

I meant without any support that buffs him specifically

[lament olive]

They need to stop adding gamemodes that are single player oriented worldlines alrdy does that but it's boring to always solo stuff

[unique cypress]

With Monarch

[plain estuary]

ye

[unique cypress]

But you'll lose dmg from your other units too

[proper orbit]

he can? damm
dont even use him much besides for boss rush lol

[unique cypress]

Lol

[plain estuary]

15% is much still can work with it

[unique cypress]

...

[zealous seal]

You will lose damage on your supports yea

[lament olive]

One solution would just be scaling up the difficulty of the endgame content like making the late maps harder than they are giving it a progressive feel

[stoic salmon]

single player can also be fun, just depends if the mode itself is fun

[unique cypress]

...?

[lament olive]

Maybe it will be fun once they release the rework with the update

[unique cypress]

Yhwach Yamamoto Gazelle Vsjw Farms

[plain estuary]

ngl its crazy to think that most people dont really know how to fully max out yhwach it isnt just bring 5 rares its totally diff

[zealous seal]

Why yamamoto mate

[unique cypress]

The summoner team

[stoic salmon]

wouldnt be balanced bc game js balanced for traitless.

[proper orbit]

they shouldnt buff the current ones prob js pring new ones and make em harder wtv

[unique cypress]

Leak control

[zealous seal]

Also you only use 1 farm with yhwach

[unique cypress]

And burn

Why

[plain estuary]

my monarch sabers goes from 33k dps to around 27k which isnt that much for me atleast and i can make it up with subaru

[zealous seal]

Because hes cheap af

[lament olive]

How would it matter if ppl will just stop playing cuz the game is too easy

[unique cypress]

Subaru is rare asf

[proper orbit]

well that seems to be the strat these days cuz barely find anyone using him unless u got monarch on him
so ppl dont know nun abt yhwach

[plain estuary]

haruka rin does the job too

[unique cypress]

Rare asf as well

[zealous seal]

Yhwach is only really needed in wl and tournaments

[plain estuary]

no lmao

[zealous seal]

Hes way overkill for normal stages

[plain estuary]

lots of people have haruka

[unique cypress]

🤔

[zealous seal]

And hes not that good in inf

[proper orbit]

haruka aint rare but subaru is cuz no one was playing the game when subary was worldine units

js like diavlo

[lament olive]

There should atleast be one thing in the game which requires you to actually sweat and play with ppl bro 😭 it shouldn't be the way it is rn

[plain estuary]

she was the first bp unit in which the game still had an avreage 200k-400k players active i think theres a lot that got to tier 25

[mild rune]

Wasnt 500k of those bots? lol

[lament olive]

Not 500k

[plain estuary]

i didnt really see that many bots but yeah there was quite a few

[proper orbit]

the game did not ever hit that high

[zealous seal]

Yea and the difficult content should give the best rewards. Why tf are the piss easy 30 minute challenges the best source of rrs

[proper orbit]

anime defenders started the trend for bots tho

[plain estuary]

it did but then it died down when the devs became lazy with updates

[west vessel]

Even though a lot of ppl want this THESE devs said no already

This game can literally die because of bugs

Yk how crazy that is

Not content but bugs

[zealous seal]

I mean looks like theyre taking a bit more time with this update

[lament olive]

Hear me out increased portal tiers

[plain estuary]

imo yhwach is better than vsjw in most modes but in tourneys vsjw gon be the best for a while

[stoic salmon]

it matters bc it would be taking the als route. scaling content too far leads to scaling content for monarchs. i wanna have monarch on every meta unit but its not easy+ its lame

[zealous seal]

If the portals actually give good rewarfs

[lament olive]

Yea

[zealous seal]

Nobody wants to grind them for days

[lament olive]

That's one way to increase difficulty

[proper orbit]

underrated take but u say that anywhere outsides of this channel
ur gonna get crucified

[lament olive]

And u can always select which tier u want to do so it wouldn't just be enforcing that difficulty over everyone

[plain estuary]

real

[zealous seal]

Yhwach is perfect for 15 wave content

[stoic salmon]

atd games are better off traitless

[lament olive]

This game badly needs a stage like the one AA did where they had to nerf it after ppl said it was too hard ( Sakamoto upd )

[plain estuary]

thats what the devs are doing rn they are making newer stages harder by not scaling it but making u need specific units to beat it so someday u would actually need a strat to beat it

like the drain system or the bosses insane regen

u need blossom and a rupture unit for it

[lament olive]

I wouldn't mind traitless modes more at the same time we alrdy have enough but they should tweak boss rush difficulty to current meta ( igris boss rush is a joke)

[plain estuary]

which i think is nice

[zealous seal]

The problem is that the casual players will always complain if its not piss easy

[proper orbit]

ppl are going to fucking cry and ping the devs they wont be doing that

[mild rune]

blossom is completely useless, so is orihime and fubuki
the unit attacks 0.4 seconds later and gets -100% damage instantly
Only immune units work

[stoic salmon]

or vsjw or gilga bc they dont get affected

[lament olive]

They can do lower tiers tho we can't please everyone since we are talking abt end game being boring

[zealous seal]

If I was a dev Id just ignore the casual players but they wont do that

[plain estuary]

yeah thats js the devs fault for not making every unit be able to be drained

[proper orbit]

what? casual players are 90% of the audience

[zealous seal]

Thats why the devs wont ignore them

[plain estuary]

not really i use blossom and its completely fine u just have to resell and do it a few times in some specific waves

[lament olive]

And what if they start to engage and stay on the game and realise shit is too easy ? Few modes that are catered to end game players wouldn't hurt the game

[plain estuary]

thats literally the point so u couldnt just place one unit and wait to win u actually have to play now

[proper orbit]

i mean yh but what casual we talking abt
cuz for me casual are the ppl who js dont bother with lb content
and js come and grind new units then chill

[zealous seal]

Except sjw still solos

[plain estuary]

yeah av devs glazing that unit 2 much

they gotta nerf him

[zealous seal]

The people who complained about dungeon difficulty when it dropped are the casuals in my eyes

[lament olive]

Jin woo solos that stage gng 😭

[proper orbit]

i mean even tho it was catered to end game players it wont be really that hard
cuz the game is tested on traitless so they js gonna use better units like vsjw and make it hard to beat

[plain estuary]

thats the problem i literally said it they should make every unit vulnerable to the drain system

[stoic salmon]

even if they tweak boss rush n make it harder it wouldnt be fun, nothing really unique abt boss rudh besides the bosses attacking ur units

[lament olive]

Drain every unit is kinda not the solution

[proper orbit]

ok which is more fun? a difficult stage or this boss rushes
where u get yhwach and he does the game for u

obv a more difficult stage

[plain estuary]

it is tho

[lament olive]

It's not u are just assuming they all will have monarchs

[proper orbit]

aa isnt fun cuz the bosses are unique its the difficulty and u being rewarded for beating something that feels rewarding that makes aa fun for me

[plain estuary]

id assume almost everyone either has deadeye blitz or ethereal on him and even so it can solo it pretty easily

without doing much

[stoic salmon]

i want neither of those. i prefer more unique mechanics that make us interact with the gameplay

[lament olive]

Game needs higher difficulty too.

[stoic salmon]

yh

[proper orbit]

well thats ur preference
i dont mind the amount of unique mechanics they add
i js want a challenge rn

[stoic salmon]

traits the problem tho

[lament olive]

U also mentioned the solution

[stoic salmon]

there should be more traitless gamemodes tbh

fun and hard ones

[proper orbit]

then they would be no points of traits then if they js add traitless game modes

[whole cradle]

odyssey was supposed to cater to new and end game players and no one plays it , it was so hyped up to be so disappointing

[stoic salmon]

ik

[mild rune]

No wonder, 12yo's first scratch project is more stable than Odyssey was

[proper orbit]

but i mean rn i also feel its better that way cuz
traitless stages felt harder and its clear the devs dont know how to make sth difficult

[whole cradle]

i feel like they only worked on it for a couple weeks it was hyped up for so long and for it to be the “paragon killer” to be bad

[lament olive]

Scale a few modes for monarch man it's not that deep ppl have monarchs now rrs aren't hard

[stoic salmon]

progressive ganemodes can be traits like story n raids n legend stages. fun gamemodes can be traitless n hard/strategetic. i still want progression reworked tho

[whole cradle]

the bum casual/new players are gonna find a way to complain because they can’t solo new content

[mild rune]

If they had put an "EARLY ALPHA" or "BETA TESTING" on there, it would have been acceptable, but the fact they thought "yea this is fine" is just so sad

[heady delta]

to be fair, that's what happens when the mode as a whole only gets like a single day of actual gameplay testing

[proper orbit]

but again if we making all the fun gamemodes traitless
lets say it wont be a wise economical move for the devs

is the game even tested?

[whole cradle]

it only got a single day of testing holy ☠️☠️☠️

[heady delta]

Yeah. The most it got for testing was making sure the modifiers all actually worked

[mild rune]

Must wonder what investors/owners are pushing them
Because no sane person would make the decision to release it like that

[lament olive]

Av alrdy generous with new players doesn't mean they always have to please them every single time we need something for endgame too ppl who stick with this game and don't play multiple

[heady delta]

I had to beg them to change how yen was carried over or just to like ban farms because the snowballing economy was ridiculous.

[whole cradle]

devs prob took longer then expected to make the mode so less time for it to be tested

[stoic salmon]

up to the devs if they prefer money or making the game fun. what i mentioned is somewhat of a balance

[whole cradle]

the devs make more money for getting more casual players imo the only thing i do as a endgame player is just get rrs

not saying they should cater to them

[lament olive]

And it's not fun seeing jinwoo solo the stage for the 99999999th time

[proper orbit]

they are after the money and its clear
they would have 100% hired more devs so upds come faster
but i dont think they are fully after the money the try to balance but its more at the money side

[nocturne quest]

yen carrying over is crazy

[heady delta]

iirc it's still in the patch notes

[nocturne quest]

💔

[heady delta]

Fun fact, in the very first iteration of odyssey? Units were also level 1

[lament olive]

We don't need yen inflation 🥀

[heady delta]

and you were meant to level them up through stages

[proper orbit]

wait why was paragon even removed?

[nocturne quest]

not that bad of an idea but i bet the execution would be terrible

[mild rune]

It was too rewarding

[heady delta]

A couple of us had to beg, and I mean BEG to just make units level 60 because levels are so important to a unit

[proper orbit]

they could have easily rebalanced the rewards but to much work for the devs i guess

[whole cradle]

devs didn’t rly wanna fix it so they put it aside and made odyssey for it to be worse

[zealous seal]

Level 1 units literally do like no damage

[heady delta]

Because trying to play early game with level 1 units was awful, because there was no "early floor gutting" to the scaling

[proper orbit]

i mean not much needed to be fixed tbh js cap the rewards and we good

[lament olive]

Pls tell them to be careful with unit passives and the game is just not challenging we brought this issue on stage twice

[zealous seal]

Paragon was bugged, iirc you couldnt even select the stage

[mild rune]

Why is Double Dungeon the most common starter stage in Odyssey?
Its quite literally impossible with most units, you cannot afford to kill all the statues and still have money left to kill God
Like come on, they should have waited 3 updates before releasing

[zealous seal]

So you had to start over

[heady delta]

idk what you mean about being careful with passives, but the problem with being challenging is that when they try to release difficult content like rifts on release, people whine and complain too much

[lament olive]

But the game just misses any type of end game content

[warped charm]

bc difficulty does not = buff hp

thats just lame

[whole cradle]

they should bring back paragon but should add weathers every stage; 3 different card saves that u can load up to do or redo them if u don’t like it and more nerfs and a stage buff that isn’t too op every 10-20 or sooner

[lament olive]

Passives lately are too broken

[warped charm]

difficulty does not = 100% dmg resist

[proper orbit]

we need difficulty

[zealous seal]

Idk only the dmc units are really good

[heady delta]

Man it's a good thing I had them take out the forced mutators in late game odyssey rework then

[proper orbit]

its js the greenies who are complaining abt it

[zealous seal]

The db units are in a good spot

[lament olive]

Yes we need difficulty

[proper orbit]

they obtainment and evolution were underwhelming for db tho

[whole cradle]

only somewhat difficult thing is high wl stages but ain’t anyone trying to do easy stages to get to the fun hard ones

[zealous seal]

I think they wasted too much development time on buu

Like we dont need that many forms

[whole cradle]

yeah and he’s ahh without monarch

[warped charm]

like the content isnt even difficult with those mutators regardless, its just that it makes it even less fun bc youre using your buns david with blitz instead of using your monarch or whatever that you spent hella time getting

[nocturne quest]

buu just feels like valentine

i didnt even feel like i needed to get him

[heady delta]

Oh I mean the forced mutators were like sturdy and resilient

[lament olive]

I had fun having to do stages I'm AA with ppl cuz it was hard like man it's not that hard to do the same thing in AV

[heady delta]

I think energy drain is legitimately fine as a mechanic

Because it's being set up for use down the road

[warped charm]

how is energy drain any different if not worse than sturdy 💀

[proper orbit]

i mean aa is not coming back unless they make aa 2 or sum
or they js bring the old dev team which did biweekly upds

[nocturne quest]

the biggest issue with energy drain is the NEED to have sakura

[whole cradle]

they should make cleanse give 10 second immunity to all ccs i hate using it on a unit then getting reset back to 0

[nocturne quest]

we havent had a good cleanse unit since 0.5 yo 😭

[proper orbit]

no need when u got cucu lain and vsjw

[zealous seal]

Nah energy drain would have been fine if the best unit in the game wasnt completely immune to it

[warped charm]

5k per cleanse 💔

[proper orbit]

like no one is bringing sakura to that stage

[heady delta]

Energy drain at least has more to play around than sturdy, though with the release of Lucy and Gon, sturdy is irrelevant, so maybe that's not as true

[nocturne quest]

wb infinite

[lament olive]

We don't need buffs or cleansers we need shit to be hard 😭

[delicate ore]

unknown element units being immune to status ailments/debuffs is dumb

[proper orbit]

idk ion even do lbs but ur prob needing cucu lain to stop regen

[warped charm]

yeah and thaty aspect of the balancing also pmo like youre not even encouraging creativity with these mechanics they are just providing blatantly obvious solutions to problems in a way that makes building loadouts feel like a chore

[nocturne quest]

how is it gonna be hard if there isnt unique ways such as energy drain? wouldnt that just be increasing the enemy hp? that'd be boring

[warped charm]

just bring x unit to complete ignore y mechanics

its so dumb

[proper orbit]

i mean thats the only way when u have fucking units like vsjw

[heady delta]

congrats, welcome to the TD genre

[zealous seal]

I mean what else can you do in a tower defense

[lament olive]

The game NEEDS overall increase in enemy hp while adding stuff like that CUZ of units like JINWOO

[nocturne quest]

vsjw was such a bad idea

who even balanced him

[zealous seal]

He wasnt balanced

[nocturne quest]

on god

[proper orbit]

he fucked the balancing of the game ngl

[lament olive]

Devs got too hyped watching solo leveling and forgot other units exist

[delicate ore]

Allat work done just for him to be used as a stun unit

[warped charm]

unknown on the strongest monarch in the game is perfectly balanced 👌

[nocturne quest]

him being unknown element was the final blow

[proper orbit]

this guy is prob gonna be able to beat all stages for the next 4 .0 upds

[lament olive]

Lmao

[zealous seal]

Its actually so obvious that the devs had 0 idea how good sjw would because they added a healer summon for some reason

[nocturne quest]

tournaments are pmo its always just vsjw with other units

[zealous seal]

Like when do you need a healer for your summons

In what situation

[warped charm]

the healer is so buns the aoe implimentation of the heal makes it so bad

[delicate ore]

tournaments have felt bland ever since devs neutered them in Update 4.0

[proper orbit]

yup doesent even matter if other elements got a buff its vsjw every time

[nocturne quest]

no thought was put behind vsjw other than "big damage lots of nukes haha"

[lament olive]

We all were so hyped seeing jinwoo not realising the game would also get screwed 😭

[nocturne quest]

sure theres different playstyles but it just ends up the same

[zealous seal]

People complained about tournaments being too easy and instead of just fixing the scaling they added the fucking 30 wave tournaments

[warped charm]

there is literally no opportunity cost to bringing vsjw

[proper orbit]

but tbth if they remove his immunity he would still be unbalnced tbh

[zealous seal]

Literally nobody likes those

[nocturne quest]

[delicate ore]

literally scale them down to 20 waves

[nocturne quest]

he just needs to get dmg nerfed and be more expensive im ngl

also unknown element has to be reworked or implemented into tournaments

[lament olive]

Guess what new players often think I'm hacking when they see me use jin woo nuke and even they realise this shit shouldn't be so op

[proper orbit]

i mean to me js bump his expense to where his only viable or usable in gamemodes that takea long ass time

[warped charm]

make him curse element

[delicate ore]

literally get rid of their ability to be immune to status ailments/debuffs

[warped charm]

unknown should just be removed from the game

i hate unknown!

[whole cradle]

if they nerf vsjw then all the casuls are gonna revolt it’s gonna be like when they nerfed igris and after the nerf he became stronger (even tho igris shouldn’t rly have been nerfed in the first place)

[proper orbit]

yh they should tbh

[warped charm]

[delicate ore]

unknown's strength should be that it can't be affected by stage buffs/debuffs in worldlines

[warped charm]

their fault for making him strong in the first place

[whole cradle]

yea

[proper orbit]

they should js remove unknown elements tbh

[warped charm]

bro thats so bad for the game

[proper orbit]

who cares js lockdown the chat for abt 3 days
and blacklist a few words and we good

[nocturne quest]

They overcomplicate things when it could just be shit like "water units deals more damage agaisnt fire enemies" 😭 i wouldnt complain if they actually managed to make it good, elemental reactions were just not thought of at all (holy element) and it was incomplete too (there was no chart when the portals first released)

[nocturne quest]

just make water deal more damage agaisnt fire or something there was no need for allat 🥀

[proper orbit]

like ppl in aa stopped complaining abt difficult stages
cuz the devs wouldnt listen except when it was stupidly hard like very hard

[warped charm]

b-but that would be making slop content! we are av devs! we do not make any slop!

[delicate ore]

Hear me out
VSJW should have his damage output nerfed, however buff summon HP scaling so summons don't get affected by it.

[warped charm]

arent summons the thiing that make him extremely busted

[whole cradle]

forgot to un nessecisrly diss other atds for no reason

[proper orbit]

the thing is making a suggestion to nerf vsjw
is gonna be the most hated suggestion cuz ppl are brainless here

[delicate ore]

Yes, however he shouldn't also be a top DPS option

[warped charm]

which is why you dont name any names and just ask for a general rebalancing

[warped charm]

the summons are what make him to a gajillion dps tho i thought

[nocturne quest]

"we actually plan out of passives hehehehe" and then its just some basic shit other tds havent come up yet because literally 99% of roblox devs cant have a unique thought

[whole cradle]

ONG

[proper orbit]

the thing is getting contact with a dev aint the easiest of tasks tbh

[delicate ore]

I'm referring to what's on his stat card

[whole cradle]

“new stage mechanic” and it’s just walking over a tunnel closes the spawn 🔥🔥

[warped charm]

if your and my suggestions reach at least 200 stars they will pretty much have to make a statement about it

[heady delta]

[proper orbit]

yup time to get grinding 👷‍♂️ i guess

[nocturne quest]

its not some mind boggling passives is what i meant alright 😭 its just that they literally have no competition in terms of passive

[warped charm]

somehow the 2x speed suggestion got around 200 stars

the game is cooked icl

[whole cradle]

wasn’t it only 2x speed for inf mode or sum

[delicate ore]

ATD players don't know what they want

[heady delta]

I mean yeah, when the competition is like, release and update 1 passives, it's not much contest

[nocturne quest]

no other td feels like they are putting in atleast 10 minutes of thought in their passives so naturally av feels like the best in terms of unit passives

[warped charm]

no

[whole cradle]

nvm that’s dumb then lol

[warped charm]

cooked!

[delicate ore]

What were the devs thinking when making it wave 30

[warped charm]

av devs dont respect your time

who would have thought

[nocturne quest]

av's biggest "rival" being als (in playercount) is so funny cuz you cant even call als a rival tbh

[whole cradle]

strat is gonna be monarch vsjw bear + gohan

and aizen

[heady delta]

I mean in their defense, als has unironically been getting better

[warped charm]

it has

[heady delta]

are these the time attack tournaments?

[nocturne quest]

it def has increased in quality

[delicate ore]

I don't even wanna touch the game and I can admit it's getting better

[nocturne quest]

rename it to wave 31 tournaments

[warped charm]

of course!

[mild rune]

Rename it to "Use VSJW"

[warped charm]

lil yachty gif

[nocturne quest]

vsjw and some units of the week

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/976249473552486434/1007744158888362095/lol.gif

[delicate ore]

funny to think we'll probably wait four weeks for 0.5 update

[heady delta]

I did have them fix it so you couldn't skip waves while another one was still going on, because the whole point was killing everything from the last wave before you could go to the next. But if you got lucky and timed the kills right, you could start the countdown for next wave while the previous one was still spawning enemies

[warped charm]

they better take 4 weeks because im waiting for a corruption and odyssey rework

[heady delta]

idk if it actually even worked though

[whole cradle]

there gonna say “focusing more on pvp” and it’s gonna be as bad as odyssey

[nocturne quest]

corruption needs to be just completely remade tbh

[delicate ore]

I'm just hoping it's a really fucking good update if we're waiting a month for it to come out

[nocturne quest]

another level of RNG was not needed

[warped charm]

1 month wait for upd 5 gameplay to be straight ASS

[heady delta]

Corruption's only getting a small addition to it

But not a rework

[delicate ore]

5.0 was all over the place in quality

[warped charm]

replaying the story stage 10 times to get the earrings

[heady delta]

Corruption itself is fine where it is, it just needs some help in being accessible

[warped charm]

odyssey

vergil dante powercreep

[heady delta]

Because getting the familiars good enough to be corrupted is horrid and getting the corruption shards in the first place is horrid

[mild rune]

Its already hard enough to get familiars with good stats, Corruption is a horrible mechanic

[nocturne quest]

all my 5 cat familiars got bad corruption 😭 this game cant keep screwing me over

[warped charm]

av devs thought they cooked with that one

[delicate ore]

all because you can't reroll on familiars 🤦‍♂️

[nocturne quest]

and i cant even get more of them 💔

[heady delta]

Getting good stat ones will be a little easier in the future

But corruption as a system is probably staying where it is

[delicate ore]

and it will forever be a bad system

[zealous seal]

I ♥️ rng

[nocturne quest]

10% unknown meta for the next 4 updates and their familiars

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238734357838037045/1336585403997884467/attachment.gif

[heady delta]

[mild rune]

Unknown Element making 3 other elements and an entire passive useless:

[heady delta]

I mean I like Corruption personally

[mild rune]

(so epic)

[delicate ore]

idk what the devs were smoking, not allowing us to reroll on familiars

[zealous seal]

Elements in general are just executed really badly

[heady delta]

I like the reactions from it. It's mainly set up for trading down the road

[warped charm]

duh its an artifact rolling system but the particular implementation is so ass

[heady delta]

Easy, making it not traits 2.0 and making the actual good rolls legitimately rare and valuable for trading

[zealous seal]

Like fire element gives you immunity to snare while unknown literally makes you immune to everything

[nocturne quest]

its good in paper but you cant even get more familiars as of rn (like the dandadan one, which is still one of the most used familiars) so getting a bad corruption on the familiar just basically kills it forever

[warped charm]

who wants trading to be the end game bruh

[zealous seal]

Imagine if you couldnt reroll the traits on your units

[heady delta]

I mean... No? At worst you get C2 and then just undo it

[zealous seal]

Thats corruption

[delicate ore]

except it should be traits 2.0

[nocturne quest]

isnt c1 just useless too

not having a good corruption IS killing your familiar tbh

[heady delta]

See that would be shit because units are the main thing you have to use

[mild rune]

Do people who are looking forward to trading ever played a game with trading
It's just gonna be "SELLING X, LOOKING FOR OVERPAY, ONLY GOOD OFFERS"

[nocturne quest]

or getting a bad element from the corruption too

[warped charm]

`why av devs acting like they care about quality mechanics when they decided to rip traits from aa ong

[heady delta]

Y'all act like getting C1 makes a familiar unusable all of a sudden and you can't just use the familiar like you were before corruption 😭

[zealous seal]

Familiars are also mandatory in lb and tournaments

[delicate ore]

Like its already different from cursing AA units

[zealous seal]

And be at a disadvantage forever

[mild rune]

C2 does make it useless because "cleansing" the familiar doesn't actually cleanse it
They clearly cant keep up this update schedule without making every feature broken

[heady delta]

Then you can trade for a good one later down the road

[nocturne quest]

its not good for comp, it also means players who dont have a lot of familiars to spare literally cant get on the same level as other players unless they get extremely lucky

[warped charm]

whats the point of interacting with the system then?

if you are always at net 0

[heady delta]

It's not supposed to cleanse it, it's supposed to just restore the stats

[nocturne quest]

i've corrupted so many familiars and i dont have an unknown one yet

[zealous seal]

Trading ruins every single game

[mild rune]

yes thats what i meant, it doesnt do that

unless its been fixed since then

but i doubt it

[heady delta]

It didn't work at first

then it did

then it didn't

[nocturne quest]

its just an unnecessary extra level of rng on top of traits imo

[mild rune]

With what?
The good familiars and good limiteds you don't have?
Or the robux which you also don't have?

[heady delta]

It's like bug fix pushes end up breaking it

[nocturne quest]

considering the fact that most familiars are limited too

they said they will bring some back so idk

[heady delta]

Corruption is an entirely optional system for the gamble of minmaxing

besides, comp

[mild rune]

"optional system" yea everything is optional

[zealous seal]

Thats like saying traits are optional

Because you can just play without them

[mild rune]

Using units is optional

[nocturne quest]

but i mean... theres an entire gamemode dedicated for it

[mild rune]

you can just ask your friend to place stuff for you

[nocturne quest]

and its gonna be reworked

it feels like they WANT us to play it

and corrupt the familiar

[warped charm]

why have a system be "optional" thats so dumb, every element of a game should have a proper intention

saying a system is there to just be there and maybe give you some benefit is lazy design

[heady delta]

I mean... Not necessarily?

[mild rune]

Even Minecraft's so called "useless" features serve the purpose of sandbox and creativity

[heady delta]

There's no reason for every system of a game to be intended for every player

[warped charm]

except endgame players dont even wanna grind this shit 😭

[heady delta]

Literally leaderboards/tournaments

[warped charm]

like 0.1% of players actually care about interacting with the system

because they eat up the slop

and dont respect themsevles

[proper orbit]

they are not fun

and i mean the casual player doesent need to interefere in those 2

[heady delta]

Well yeah because Odyssey is shit to play and because end game has a weird obsession with trying to stay doing something with the game

[mild rune]

That only applies to cosmetic things
Like optional base building, etc., not mechanics that literally change every single aspect of the game

[heady delta]

It changes

one familiar

And is not that deep

[warped charm]

why use the corruption system if 99.5% of the time you arent rewarded with any progress?

[nocturne quest]

the devs want endgame players to keep playing too, i mean, isnt that why theres so many reroll obtainment methods?

[warped charm]

such a dumb argument

you are actively discouraging your players from trying out the new systems

[zealous seal]

And familiars have literally just been getting better and better

Sure rn they might not be that huge

But you know it wont stay like that

[nocturne quest]

the time they took coding odyssey could have been so much better spent on other things then 😭 its such a niche addition for such a big gamemode

[heady delta]

Here's a shocking idea that I know most ATD players aren't in the know about: ...You can just take a break you know. Nobody's forcing you to keep grinding all day every day.

[delicate ore]

I feel like the devs are scared that their CCU will plummet again, so that's why they made corrupting familiars so tedious

[warped charm]

this is also such a dumb argument OBVIOUSLY we WANT to play the game because we LIKE ANIME and want to PLAY WITH ANIME but the game keeps GIVING US REASONS NOT TO PLAY

[nocturne quest]

I havent played ever since update 5.0 after trying out odyssey and getting the units, but its a fact the devs want people to be playing actively

[mild rune]

Also it's so fucking ironic that it ended up being a billion times more unstable and buggy than Paragon, the mode it meant to replace
I'd legit rather play Paragon because at least the rewards actually SCALE

[nocturne quest]

and they arent doing it correctly

i dont understand why its such an issue to ask endgame content to be fun

[mild rune]

Limited content
Your statement could NOT be more false

[heady delta]

I mean me personally I also think leaderboards and tournaments are just a terrible feature regardless

[nocturne quest]

i mean, isnt that why we grinded so much? to have fun? 💔

[heady delta]

You can't finish the limited content? You can't set yourself a goal post and say "yeah, I'm satisfied there"

[mild rune]

Yea??? It's RNG

I still don't have Choy even though I have two VSJWs

i still dont have any good winter familiars despite having Gogeta

[warped charm]

like with literally every anime roblox game ever there is such untapped player retention potential all you have to do is just make a good game

ion get

it

[nocturne quest]

gogeta literally being a "stay afk for x amount of time and maybe just maybe you'll get him"
its not that big of an issue since its been here for so long but its clear its an issue for people who cant afk or play for hours

[nocturne quest]

i grinded so much for gogeta i got a 10.2 padoru

and guess what

i had to afk for days

to get gogeta

after manually farming over 2m presents

[warped charm]

im still mangoing to this day

using faxi as we speak

[mild rune]

I was basically in the same boat

Grinded about 2-3m, and afk'd every single day and night

I wasn't here since the start of the winter banner but either way

AND

After opening OVER 60 Present#2s

I have ZERO Saibamen

And even if I did get one, theres no guarantee its the element I want and has good stats

Obviously, you can't just "take a break"

the game was specifically designed for you to be negatively bombarded if you do anything but constantly grind

Thats how gambling works

Thats how the majority of roblox and mobile """""""games"""""""" work

[warped charm]

the take a break argument is the stupidest of them all,

you cant say that when, if you werent afking or mangoing, you need to take HUNDREDS of hours to grind for content

[mild rune]

I still don't even have Yamamoto due to the sheer amount of FOMO content added

At this point he is useless too

Choy completely powercrept him

Well ig he powercrept everyone

[stoic salmon]

it doesnt take much time to get to endgame and theres nothing fun in endgame

[warped charm]

if the game actually wanted you to take a break it would manifest in areas where currently the game does NOT want you to take a break

[mild rune]

Changing the challenges to no longer be global cooldown also feels like deliberately making players look at the game even more

Because before, you could do it anywhere between 0-30 minutes and be fine
Now? You have to be precisely on the dot if you wanna be actually efficient

[warped charm]

"make sure you log on in time, otherwise you have to wait extra!"

so stupid

[stoic salmon]

i dont know why they decided to do that

should have known beforehand it wasnt a good idea

[warped charm]

plenty of things got released that shouldnt have

in this game

unfinished, unpolished, or just straight up bad

[mild rune]

I don't mean to read too much into it, but the whole "We spent 2 weeks on it, you're gonna watch it every time" response to if they'll add an option to disable cutscenes is so egotistic

[warped charm]

devs are not consumer friendly at all

that should be a separate post on its own but the glazers in the staff department would instantly take it down and get you banned

[mild rune]

On crappy devices, the cutscenes can take up to 5 minutes to load and play through the blackscreen as well

[warped charm]

the attitudes of the devs are just a turn off

[stoic salmon]

ima just wait n see how the game is at upd 6.5

[warped charm]

100 stars

[stoic salmon]

i ussually just play on upd day for a few games then stop

thhen mango

just bc i dont find content fun

[warped charm]

chances are all these suggestions about fixing endgame and game state will be in vain

[mild rune]

I'm just waiting on this to happen
I'll quit depending on the message
Well, if it ever happens

[warped charm]

despite over 2k messages of engagement

[warped charm]

pyseph just constantly gives excuses to just ignore everyone

he thinks hes tuff

say anything he doesnt like you get muted or blacklisted

[mild rune]

I dont wanna insult them, but I don't understand why they are pulling the same thing big shitcorpos pull
Aka, silence treatment

I know they must have a lot of owners to discuss with or whatever, but surely a "we are thinking about this" or "we seen this" could be fine?

[warped charm]

they dont take the players seriously

to a fault

[mild rune]

According to Seilo (mb if mispelled), the devs check suggestions
I've been bumping the 3 big concern suggestion to the top every single minute ever since they were posted
So surely they've seen them??

[warped charm]

both hit spotlight in a day too

[stoic salmon]

theyve either lurked here and decided not to talk or just havent seen this for sum rsn

[patent ridge]

I have a dream.... that one day my Vergil clone will actually be functional

[warped charm]

that one day my doppleganger will be judged not by their placement at the end of the path, but the content of their dps

[tight turtle]

Man I gave up trying to get that dude…
-# 29mil down the drain for what..

[delicate ore]

how many gems/coins y'all got?

[tight turtle]

59k😔
-# of both

[warped charm]

5k, 1.6k, 65k, 0

im broke asf

[delicate ore]

o damn

[warped charm]

i dont comprehend how people get that many gems and gold

[tight turtle]

Mainly mangoing infinites
-# whenever I am busy

[delicate ore]

I just don't spend it

bounty gems rack up big time

[warped charm]

ive spent so much gold capping out my stones because the winter presents just give way to many greens

[tight turtle]

Love that I get so much green essences from presents 😊
-# UNCAPP MY FUCKING GREEN ESSENCES

[warped charm]

capping and then evoing stat fodder units

[warped charm]

who thought the rates were a good idea when the cap is 125 😭

and idek why there isnt a mass open option for presents

like with capsules in other games

i dont even want to open the 120 presents in my inventory

[tight turtle]

Exactly 😭

[tight turtle]

Atp use tiny task to open them 💀

[warped charm]

true

good idea

[tight turtle]

I might go one more week to try to get gogeta

[warped charm]

come to think of it

i was probably hella lucky to get diavolo

i didnt spend nearly as many wisps as i spent on gogeta

[tight turtle]

I gave up after spinning 6.7mil on that bullshit

[warped charm]

23 mil is even more bs

😭

what

bro could get 10 monarchs with that luck

[tight turtle]

…

Back to reading Choujin X

[delicate ore]

What games are yall looking forward to this year? I’m looking forward to Doom The Dark Ages and Borderlands 4

[clever flower]

Yeah lets not, i think the game is in a fine position. No updates for 3 months would litteraly kill the game

[warped charm]

im already perfectly satisfied with clair obscur

pretty much all i could ever ask for

never was that into souls like and i think its a happy medium

[round fog]

If Ananta is ever confirmed to release in 2025 then that’s the game

[warped charm]

azur promelia

[round fog]

I don;t fw it

[delicate ore]

What’s the combat like in that game?

[warped charm]

turn based so its more casual and what i like in these types of games but theres dodging and parrying mechanics that are pretty similar to what you would do in souls games

[delicate ore]

That game looks really cool icl

[tight turtle]

[delicate ore]

I’ve seen people compare it to the Mario & Luigi games

[round fog]

Been excited since day one