Funny Valentine Buff

[mental maple]

The Worst Secret is worse than most exclusives and mythical units , alucard buff might mean we have to buff funny valentine too

[lone walrus]

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[brittle abyss]

He was never meta

I dont even know why he got added

[mental maple]

funny valentine feels extremely useless man

i hope he gets a bit of love

[obtuse hamlet]

thats just powercreep dawg

every unit becomes underpowered or obselete eventually

[mental maple]

his passive is unusable

[obtuse hamlet]

🤷🏻

[mental maple]

he never was good to begin with

[obtuse hamlet]

he was decent on release

[mental maple]

when he got added everything was better than him even choso

or vegeta

and hes expensive

[obtuse hamlet]

he was not "Bad" on his release

just mediocre

[mental maple]

he couldnt replace any unit

bruh

[obtuse hamlet]

yet he was still sub meta

[mental maple]

for a secret unit

[obtuse hamlet]

so?

[mental maple]

imo thats a little underwhelming

unless hes just here for memories

i am just keeping him cuz he potentially can get buffed

[obtuse hamlet]

[mental maple]

i understand most mythicals etc being bad but alocard got buffed man

why wouldnt valentine get buffed too

[obtuse hamlet]

me when the alucard buff was never supposed to happen

[mental maple]

diavolo got buffed

[obtuse hamlet]

and just cause they buffed one unit does not mean every secret has to get buffed etc

[vagrant sluice]

Units are meant to be powercrept

[obtuse hamlet]

he is a vangaurd sir

[mental maple]

and valentine is a secret

[obtuse hamlet]

last time i checked secret aint vanguard

[vagrant sluice]

Either way no amount of buffs can put him in Meta, you’d need to rework his entire passives for him to be in the meta

[mental maple]

and vanguard shouldnt get buffed just cuz its vanguard

[vagrant sluice]

Who said they’re buffing vanguards?

King of spreading misinformation

[obtuse hamlet]

it was a semi justified reason, every other buff was silly (mabye besides sukuna)

[mental maple]

i say buff valentine cuz hes underwhelming for a secret and better units like diavolo/alocard got buffed just like this

[obtuse hamlet]

because sukuna not having bleed makes no sense

[mental maple]

i dont get why buff the best units

why not the worst units get buffed

[obtuse hamlet]

again diavolo has a semi justifable reason to get buffed, alucard? i have no idea why he got buffed (just a bunch of people in the discord whining for a buff)

[obtuse hamlet]

hes not even the worst unit dawg

what

[mental maple]

hes the worst secret

diavolo was the worst vanguard

and got buffed

[obtuse hamlet]

and how does that justify him getting buffed

[mental maple]

why not buff the worst secret

its the same thing

[obtuse hamlet]

its not like theirs rules that he has to be meta of any sort forever

[mental maple]

isnt it

[obtuse hamlet]

he was decent during his time

cope

[mental maple]

he was onyl usable in

inf and stuff like sjw , alucard , full aoes were better back then

[obtuse hamlet]

he got buffed because of some "Not up to vangaurd standerd" excuse

never heard the devs say secret standerd etc

[mental maple]

he got added for nothing

[obtuse hamlet]

he was a good boss killer 🤷🏻

[mental maple]

back then the meta was alucard + bleed + sjw clones + diavolo revert time + gojo freeze

and diego too was better

[obtuse hamlet]

and valentine was sub meta

[mental maple]

like every sbr units are better than valentine

diego literally stopped time at upgrade 6

or 5

and was super meta

[mental ledge]

remove steel ball run atp

[obtuse hamlet]

[mental maple]

valentine got no stun

no dps

only immunity

[mental ledge]

acting like the other sbr units does

[mental maple]

diego has time stop

[mental ledge]

they were never meta except for diego (sub meta for ts)

[mental maple]

johnny and gyro stun

[mental maple]

diego was awesome for stalling

paired with gojo and diavolo

[fair cosmos]

He wasn’t just the worst vanguard, he was just a legitimately buns unit after his release because making some tiny odds unit you have to soullessly grind an awful event for only to be essentially a paperweight of a unit is awful design

[mental maple]

he might still be used for lb inf

[mental ledge]

real bro can ts for non spawned mobs also

[mental maple]

problem with valentine imo is just that the ability is unusable rn

you dont get to activate it

also its only good with monarch

[mental ledge]

they could've go for other stands but they all thought a non canon stand was a great idea to add

[fair cosmos]

Don’t look at me lmao, I wasn’t around, and a lot of the devs from them are gone too

[mental maple]

i remember ppl saying diavolo is dio oh but from an other tower defense lol

[fair cosmos]

Yeah, that’s just the fate of powercreep

[mental ledge]

and WE'RE glad theyre gone 💔

YES ME AND YOU

[mental maple]

bro i swear i dont even want dps in funny valentine
just make the ability easier to trigger

thats all id like

we cant use it

i dont even know why im keeping valentine

like make the condition to use clones gone

make it have a 20 sec cooldown to use it

or smth like that

like especially with the sbr anime coming

i hope the team considers buffing sbr units

[lapis steppe]

How is the goat funny valentine weaker than mid saber

[mental maple]

saber is goated bro

when theres boss

[lapis steppe]

Most boring character known to man

[long grotto]

i mean idk why you still trying it already got rejected

[mental maple]

u can push the enemies (other than the boss)

[obtuse hamlet]

(me when saber solos all of p7 alone)

[mental maple]

and let the boss take all the sjw summons for example

[mental maple]

if they can buff it

[lapis steppe]

Literally cant even hurt funny valentine

[mental maple]

i ask them to buff it

simple

[lapis steppe]

She just one shots herself

[mental maple]

valentine one shots everyone with the clones even goku 😸

the sponge effect is too strong

[obtuse hamlet]

right, she cuts thru concepts btw

[lapis steppe]

Yea it hurt heaven ascended dio

[mental maple]

also there has been no rifts today

for 8 hours

[lapis steppe]

There are no bugs in av

[mental maple]

rip

[long grotto]

idk what you mean there never are bugs in av

[lapis steppe]

So why didnt she just one shot everyone in fate stay night

If she can just do that

[obtuse hamlet]

shirou

is a weak master

and in stay night she litterly moves at what light speed if not faster?

[lapis steppe]

Ftl debates are so stupid I dont even want to talk about that

[obtuse hamlet]

which is why saber easily wipes jojo's

[lapis steppe]

She just gets time stopped bro

[obtuse hamlet]

avalon

smh

she just does not get hurt simply

[lapis steppe]

Oh ok

[obtuse hamlet]

avalon is pretty much infinity but better

like alot stronger

[lapis steppe]

Infinity is a significantly worse love train

[obtuse hamlet]

and love train is an inferior avalon

[lapis steppe]

No its not

[knotty grove]

This seems unrelated to the suggestion but go off

[obtuse hamlet]

me when saber slashes through love train like bread

plus avalon makes saber completely invincible

(avalon is stronger in terms of pure defense, love train can be bypasses by reflects attacks)

but saber bypasses it

[fair cosmos]

They’re not gonna buff old standard units 🥀

[lapis steppe]

Also mih just gets infinite speed

And one shots saber

[obtuse hamlet]

still can't touch saber

[mental ledge]

infact why yall grinded for valentine anyways most of the showcase already told us he was mid 💔

[obtuse hamlet]

also saber outspeeds the concept of speed

so i don[t know about that

[fair cosmos]

Diavolo was because he didn’t fit a design philosophy, and Alucard was more of a fix than anything because some goober made his bleed 3 ticks long which made him useless at the one job he had 💔

[mental ledge]

which saber

[obtuse hamlet]

(which is proven in saber vs fake assain in stay night)

[lapis steppe]

This has got to be the dumbest thing Ive ever heard

[obtuse hamlet]

altoria

[obtuse hamlet]

average nasuverse character

your bullshit is countered by more bullshit in fate

[knotty grove]

This saber glaze is kinda too much

She’s dope and super strong but this a lil much

[mental ledge]

right? gilgamesh needs more

[knotty grove]

This guy gets it

[obtuse hamlet]

fake assassin can attack beyond the concept of space and time allowing him to slash multiple times in 1 slash, Saber outspeeds the slash the outspeeds time and attacks him first

🤷🏻

[lapis steppe]

Its ok mih creates a new universe where saber doesnt have avalon

[obtuse hamlet]

me when saber just kill him first though (plus saber is protected by that because avalon)

its literary the ultimate defense

[mental ledge]

and i hate it

[obtuse hamlet]

yeah i think its dumb too

but like whenever its a debate with fate chars

its pretty much near inf bullshit

[knotty grove]

Oh yea well yujiro solos neg diff because he knows this technique that he learned from monkeys called “pierce avalon”

[obtuse hamlet]

😭

aw shit

her one counter

[lapis steppe]

Yujiro after inventing monks

[knotty grove]

Nah bro Yujiro and Sukuna just know anything cause they learned it from monkeys/heian era

It’s so funny to me 😭

I don’t know much feats about anything other than dragonball so I’m a terrible powerscaler

[obtuse hamlet]

(saber solos)

[vagrant sluice]

SGGTL solo TF Gilgamesh

[knotty grove]

Well I don’t understand any of those words except Gilgamesh

And I know Gilgamesh is very very very stronk

[obtuse hamlet]

what is an sggtl

[lapis steppe]

Gilgamesh lost to shirou

[knotty grove]

So Gilgamesh prolly beats db except maybe zeno!

[lapis steppe]

A random guy

[knotty grove]

Idk tho!

[vagrant sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/super-tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-gif-20034837

[obtuse hamlet]

yeah gilgamesh is weak sauce

saber is stronger

[vagrant sluice]

STTGL

[lapis steppe]

Guren lagan so mid

[knotty grove]

But can’t zeno just

Yknow

“Bye bye”

[vagrant sluice]

Nah

[obtuse hamlet]

not on saber

[knotty grove]

Lemme guess

Avalon

[obtuse hamlet]

yeah

idk simons drill can bypass it

[knotty grove]

Seriously what the hell is going on in (fate) shibuya

[obtuse hamlet]

but like you need extreme hacks to bypass avalon

[vagrant sluice]

I mean he’s 11d

MTFLL++

[knotty grove]

Idk didn’t zeni wipe out like a whole timeline just cause he didn’t like it

[obtuse hamlet]

there are a very select few who can bypass avalon

[lapis steppe]

Wcs can bypass it

[knotty grove]

The future trunks timeline

[lapis steppe]

Sukuna just makes a binding vow

[obtuse hamlet]

it can't

she is isloated from the dimension

so shes there

but not there at the same time

[knotty grove]

hmmm

Makes sense to me 👍

As much as I love dragonball and think (some) of the fan stuff is cool

It just

[hidden root]

@obtuse hamlet #「💡」sneaks

evo item conversion

[knotty grove]

They just make a goku that’s supposed to be stronger than all these people stronger than him

Db fans can’t stand not being number 1 and I don’t get it

[obtuse hamlet]

oh snap

finally bro

[knotty grove]

What even makes CC goku so strong

[obtuse hamlet]

took them long enough

[lapis steppe]

Huge f2p feature

Nobody asked for this

[knotty grove]

All my buu grind evo items have a use now LESSGO (I still don’t own buu)

[obtuse hamlet]

Saber neg diffs smh

[heady skiff]

Literally whats the point of having differennt evo items them

[hidden root]

miso has been pleading for it

[hidden root]

prob 3 for 1

[knotty grove]

I don’t even have an argument! I don’t know why cc goku is so strong other than just the fact they say he’s so strong

[lapis steppe]

It will probably be like a 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 conversion

[obtuse hamlet]

been begging

[obtuse hamlet]

what is a cc goku

[heady skiff]

There was litwrally no reason to add this

[hidden root]

crowd control

[obtuse hamlet]

💀

[hidden root]

ascensions are a pain in the ass

[knotty grove]

He’s this weird fan made goku from dragonball hero’s whos form is called universal ssb

[heady skiff]

So now qol is just we make game content meaningless

[knotty grove]

He’s supposed to just be this really strong guy but I don’t get it

[hidden root]

no?

[leaden jackal]

Anos could neg💔

[heady skiff]

Because instead of playing the game its just a ui simulator to transmute materials

[obtuse hamlet]

this guy?>

[knotty grove]

Well see that’s the thing, db fans say he couldn’t beat that version of goku. Same argument with rimiru, like yea you could beat them but not the LF rimiru or whatever it was

[obtuse hamlet]

saber neg diffs anos

smh

[knotty grove]

Uhhh yes and no. Same concept but not the same guy. He’s from the same show tho

[lapis steppe]

The less I have to play new stages the better but Id rather they work on more important stuff

Like odyssey

[leaden jackal]

LF rimuru?

U mean LN rimuru right?

[hidden root]

its prob going to be balanced and be good

[knotty grove]

LN yea that

Thank you

[lapis steppe]

Rimuru is a fraud

[leaden jackal]

Stands for "Light Novel"

[heady skiff]

Literally tell me what use case does it serve

[knotty grove]

Oh cool. Thank you, I always found that person cool but know nothing about them

[obtuse hamlet]

but would'int this feature support manual players too, greatly?

[knotty grove]

I really should just take like a month to binge watch a shit ton of shows

[leaden jackal]

Don't let a tensura fans see this 💔

[heady skiff]

Why would it? Youre still grinding the same amount, if not a larger amount of time

[lapis steppe]

Dont watch the slime isekai its so mad

[knotty grove]

Slime, fate, solo leveling, mha, just a bunch of stuff

[lapis steppe]

Mid

[leaden jackal]

Go watch some Dexter 👍

[knotty grove]

Only shows I’m knowledgeable on is DS, All of db, all of Naruto, and like 80% of OP

[obtuse hamlet]

some stages have multiple evo materials no? so you technicaly would get the desired amount of materials faster

[hidden root]

ah yes my 100 buu evo items. what am i going to do?

[knotty grove]

TRRRUUEEE

[lapis steppe]

You will inevitably end up with useless evo items from bounties

[leaden jackal]

Or finish TEIS,that shit got me in tears when Cid created Moonliht Sonata before Beethoven

Because Cid negs Beethoven

[heady skiff]

True ig

[lapis steppe]

Yes the eminence in shadow and mushoku tensei are the only isekais worth watching

[hidden root]

and from going 100+ games on legend stage for secret unit

[heady skiff]

My point is you can literally just farm one stage you dont have to play any of the new content bc you can just transmute

[obtuse hamlet]

re:zero???

[lapis steppe]

Mid zero

[hidden root]

its prob going to be like 3 evo items for 1 on another unit

[lapis steppe]

Subaru could have had satella but hes a loser

[leaden jackal]

Is re-zero an isekai???

💀

Was Suburu a level 1 civilian

[hidden root]

YES it is

[leaden jackal]

What 💔

[obtuse hamlet]

i assume that each material has different values for different exchanges, but knowing av it might just be what you are thinking

[leaden jackal]

Lvl 1 Civilian stabbed and hit by a truck simultaneously

[obtuse hamlet]

nah he just teleported

[hidden root]

dawg he went from the convenience store to a magical world with special powers

[obtuse hamlet]

into the other world

[leaden jackal]

Becomes immortal guy or whatever

[hidden root]

screams isekai

[lapis steppe]

Cid is such a goat he willingly got hit by a truck

[leaden jackal]

CONVINENCE store worker?💔

[leaden jackal]

ONG

[obtuse hamlet]

no

[lapis steppe]

No hes a neet

[obtuse hamlet]

he just was at the convience store

[lapis steppe]

Even worse

[leaden jackal]

He wasn't a bum in his past life

[obtuse hamlet]

was he?

not really

[lapis steppe]

Yes he literally didnt go to school

Thats what the echidna trial was about

[leaden jackal]

And got robbed?

But they shot him?

Wut

[obtuse hamlet]

nah bro just got teleported for no absolute reason

like 1 second he was reading something

then boom

other world

[hidden root]

we are not watching the same re zero

[leaden jackal]

What the fuck 💔

He didn't even die 💔

[obtuse hamlet]

nope

[leaden jackal]

I haven't watched it so I'm just assuming shit

[hidden root]

i was laughing my ass off when i first watched re: zero and saw that the car passed by without hitting him and he got isekai’ed for no reason

[hidden root]

you should

[leaden jackal]

How many seasons again?

[lapis steppe]

Its not that good

[hidden root]

subaru is a little corny at times but its good

[obtuse hamlet]

its good but most people don't like subaru until like season 3

[lapis steppe]

Subaru is a grade a loser

[hidden root]

3

[leaden jackal]

Has the anime ended?

[lapis steppe]

No

[obtuse hamlet]

no

[leaden jackal]

3 seasons is perfect

[lapis steppe]

The ln hasnt either

[leaden jackal]

Oh alr

[leaden jackal]

Dang

[lapis steppe]

Surely we get a classroom of the elite update when next season drops

[hidden root]

iirc season 4 was supposed to be part on season 3 but the workers went to a diff anime and left re zero so they had to delay

[leaden jackal]

I got all my knowledge from Aba tbh

Ik Aqua is useless

Or smth

[obtuse hamlet]

dawg what

[leaden jackal]

But can be helpful

No idea

[lapis steppe]

Different mid isekai

[obtuse hamlet]

re zero is NOT in aba

well

[leaden jackal]

OH god

[obtuse hamlet]

he is a skin for kazuma

[leaden jackal]

I'm out

I should get sleep

OK I'm so cooked

Gn 🫡

[mental ledge]

can we just add sasuke bro

[hidden root]

icl season one was my favourite js cus how amazing it was to watch how he handled every situation without peoples trust and shit

[lapis steppe]

Literally who

[obtuse hamlet]

loved season 1 and 2, watched a bit of season 3 (up till when subaru gave the speech) and never continued

gotta catch up

[hidden root]

dub or sub

[obtuse hamlet]

sub

is dub better or sum?

[hidden root]

the dub va is so fucking good

[lapis steppe]

No

[hidden root]

idk man

[lapis steppe]

You alone on that one

[hidden root]

it comes down to preference

also the subtitles are kinda wack on season 3

[obtuse hamlet]

idk i prefer sub cause i can understand it without reading the subs

but if dub is better ill watch it

[hidden root]

its my opinion but i like the dub

both are good

i often watch dub cus im normally doing smth else when watching, and i dont understand japanese

[mental ledge]

sasuke

[broken spruce]

he was underpowered the day he released

but they are probs gonna do something with him and other p7 units when p7 drops

so i think theres no point in making suggestions like this

[lapis steppe]

Nah theres no way they do that

Maybe they give like 1 old unit a new evo like sjw but we have all the sbr characters already

People would not be happy about an update with no new characters

[meager flower]

reworked and well made SBR units is way better than having a Eminence in shadow update

[lapis steppe]

Nah mate the only good sbr character is funny valentine

The rest is mid

[mental ledge]

did bro forget diego

[lapis steppe]

Honestly I did

[mental ledge]

fair

[high bramble]

Thats not powercreep he was always ass