Rework Ragnar "Experience of Lifetime" to be compatible with monarch

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[dreamy condor]

With monarch Will be too broken.

[weary crater]

yeah but

with or without monark this unit can be placed just one time

so why adding a passive that dont work

dont need to be 4x trong

strong

only 2 place can work too

[dreamy condor]

because they wanted to create a unit with Monarch-level DPS even without a trait.
You were simply unlucky to getting Monarch on him.

[weary crater]

I understood that but as developers they should have thought about what would happen if someone managed to get a hold of it.

This is the kind of thing that has to be thought about when making a character with unique mechanics.

[visual bear]

it is what it is

he isn’t meant to have monarch on

ethereal is he best trait

[hoary sky]

This is the same as saying, "Make monarch speedwagon give you 3x the money since you can only place 1." It's stupid. The character is meant to be useless without monarch. Either roll off or get another one.

[fossil rune]

This is the same as saying, "Make monarch speedwagon give you 3x the money since you can only place 1." It's stupid. The character is meant to be useless without monarch. Either roll off or get another one.

dumbass community

[nimble fossil]

the entire point of this unit is to be monarch without the trait

[nimble fossil]

roll off

traitless does more dps

traitless has more dps 😭

[dreamy condor]

Better dps than my monarch tengen 💀

[nimble fossil]

.

[weary crater]

The point of trait is making units more strong not making them unusuable with it

[fossil rune]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-laugh-reading-tom-the-cat-funny-gif-15043485

[dreamy condor]

Idk what to say.
Just get another regnaw and Wish to not get another monarch is not that hard.

[weary crater]

u saying that like i can choose with unit i get monarch

but thats not the point of it

[eternal siren]

i hope you get monarch each of the next 10 ragnas your roll on

[eternal siren]

is this without the +40% passive on monarch

[shrewd verge]

How is this whole thing back😭
Why rework his passives to make monarch work with it

[weary crater]

responsibility

passives are made to work

[eternal siren]

make it so whenever you place your monarch ragna, you get a big jumpscare and then your game crashes

only applies to @weary crater though

[nimble fossil]

its with

we av players cannot read

[weary crater]

everyone is treating this as something shameful as if it were my fault for catching monarch in ragnar

[nimble fossil]

and they do

it works

[eternal siren]

holy mid

[visual bear]

it’s not

[weary crater]

but nobody talks about the developers making a passive that doesn't work when the character has the best trait in the game

[visual bear]

it is what it is

just like how monarch speedwagon is usless

monarch ragna just don’t work with his kit

[eternal siren]

i dont have my glasses on

[weary crater]

Imagine if Goku's passive instead of swap you would have to put another unit on the ground like Ragnar for Vegeta to appear

[nimble fossil]

we av players cannot read

[eternal siren]

i will not take offence from this bully

[shrewd verge]

We should make it so monarch vsjw can summon just as many arise summons as traitless
We should make it so monarch choy can refresh and buff his burn as many times as traitless
Make monarch the absolute best trait on everything

[visual bear]

in standbox u can have Z+ stats and it shows D

so valid question

[weary crater]

yes but the monarch passive is made so that the characters deal more damage not money

[visual bear]

yes but with ragna kit is to stack buffs

[weary crater]

So it's easy to say that a passive damage doesn't work on a unit that doesn't deal damage.

[visual bear]

a blitz ragna and fubuki can have like 27k dps

[nimble fossil]

why so mad

[ivory jasper]

because i went out of my way to read your screenshot

[visual bear]

we av players can indeed read

[eternal siren]

except me with my glasses off

[nimble fossil]

rare inviduals

[weary crater]

Of course the passive recommended for speedwagon and fortune is not monarch

Think with me now if instead of pressing swap with Goku you had to put another one on the ground for Vegeta to appear

with monarch he would become unusuable

[languid hinge]

wdym hes quite useable with monarchj

[visual bear]

huh?

u can still swap with monarxh

[languid hinge]

im pretty sure ragna iwth no other units far surpasses the other traits

[weary crater]

no bro

like

[languid hinge]

and you can reroll it

[shrewd verge]

Av players can't read😭

[visual bear]

it doesn’t place a new unit hang

gang*

[weary crater]

english is not my native language

[visual bear]

oh

[languid hinge]

mfs really just be saying anything

[shrewd verge]

I understand what you said, I think this is just on them

[weary crater]

u can just click on my profile and see "portuguese speaker"

[visual bear]

ohh i get it

[weary crater]

i aint saying that bc i want that my unit do dmg with a passive

[languid hinge]

then reroll the trait

like what

[weary crater]

im saying all this bc they make a passive that dont work on the game with monarch

[silver trench]

This is the same as saying, "Make monarch speedwagon give you 3x the money since you can only place 1." It's stupid. The character is meant to be useless without monarch. Either roll off or get another one.

[weary crater]

and they should have thought of that

[weary crater]

no

its not

[silver trench]

but bro fr

[visual bear]

i mean monarch ragna isn’t bad

[weary crater]

and you don't understand

[silver trench]

make monarch give 40% more cash on takaroda

[languid hinge]

dude he does like 180k

[visual bear]

if u have no buffs for ragna

[languid hinge]

without other buff units

[frosty trail]

i don't understand ragna is functional with monarch

its just not good

[weary crater]

it make worse than a traitless one

[visual bear]

he’s better pick than traitless

[weary crater]

no its not

[visual bear]

it is

[weary crater]

it is

[visual bear]

both non buffs monarxh does more dps

[languid hinge]

monarch ragna beats other trait ragnas if you donthave supports

[shrewd verge]

The only way to make this suggestion work is to rework ragna, as a change that makes monarch work with his passives would either make monarch ridiculously overpowered or traitless overpowered
I see it as a pointless change when ragna is fine as he is

[languid hinge]

half of which are unobtianable btw

[visual bear]

but with buffs traitless is better

[weary crater]

I'm saying that your passive is built in a way that makes it useless when the character has a monarch

I would be saying the same thing to any character

[languid hinge]

its pointless because monarch ragna is nowhere near useable

[visual bear]

yea that’s just how his passive is tho

like how gogeta kinda needa monarch

cuz he 1 place

[fossil rune]

nobody also told you to spin on ragna

no excuse

[weary crater]

friend you didn't understand

[visual bear]

i do

ik what ur saying

but what i’m saying is that’s just how ragna passive works

hes MENT TO BE 4 PLACE and stack buffs

cuz he already does monarch level dps

so no need for monarxh trait

[weary crater]

They made a unique mechanic so that Goku could swap with Vegeta

[frosty trail]

you can place him right?

[weary crater]

Why couldn't they do the same to make Ragnar work with Monarch?

[frosty trail]

he can attack right?

how is he not functional

[weary crater]

friend listem to me

[visual bear]

if they did monarch ragna would do crazy dps

like 80k+

[frosty trail]

your complaint is that ragna is bad with monarch

[weary crater]

They made a passive that is the main difference of the character, but it was made in a way that makes it useless as a monarch.

[visual bear]

imagine monarxh ragna with 4x dmg and -15% spa

[weary crater]

and I'm saying they should have thought of that

before doing something like that

[visual bear]

yea but it is what it is

it’s like the anime

his old self passes down his power

which makes him stronger and grow

[weary crater]

I'm playing the game and I'm a player who is dissatisfied with a mechanic that doesn't work in the game and I just don't accept it.

[fossil rune]

"I just don't accept it"

[visual bear]

lol

[fossil rune]

who is you to say that? 😭

[visual bear]

lol

[fossil rune]

you're not that important to the devs g

and they arent going rework the passives for a rude person like you

cope with it

[weary crater]

im using a translator cuz no one here can talk portuguese

[weary crater]

what a enjoyable community

I know I'm not important and I don't want to impose my wishes above those of the game's creators.

[fossil rune]

Obviously, the devs care about the community in general but what they will do is not change the entire kit because someone decides to file a complaint about a unit that is designed to be used without monarch..

[weary crater]

but as a player dissatisfied with a game mechanic that doesn't work they should at least listen to me

[weary crater]

they said that?

"dont use monarch on ragnar"

so why that triat is rollable on him

Didn't they think "wow, what if someone gets a monarch on him?"

[fossil rune]

they did say ragna is not meant to be used with the trait monarch in other words you had no reason to spin on ragna either way

[weary crater]

they should have thought about how a mechanic would behave with a specific trait

[frosty trail]

you are the only one dawg

[weary crater]

no im not

[frosty trail]

who else upvoted this post then

[weary crater]

.

[frosty trail]

like ive seen 3 people in my entire time being in this discord complain about this

[weary crater]

I'm not the only one unhappy with this

[weary crater]

So because of that does that mean it's not important?

[frosty trail]

you do realize that guy also agrees that it was designed this way

to make it bad

[frosty trail]

its not important

if you got monarch

move on

roll it off

its not hard to get blitz or solar on him

[weary crater]

friend

u not getting it

[frosty trail]

which are like top 3 traits for him

[frosty trail]

what am a not getting

you are unhappy with this mechanic

because it makes monarch bad

?>

[weary crater]

no

That's not the reason I'm unhappy

[frosty trail]

and the reason being is?

cause thats what i picked up from the few messages that i saw

[eternal siren]

spit it out

[weary crater]

friend

theres no one here to with me in portuguese

and im using a translator

[frosty trail]

ok take ur time

explain

[weary crater]

I can't convey the message I want correctly

[eternal siren]

im from portugal but i cant speak portuguese 🥀

[weary crater]

sad

[frosty trail]

just try then

[weary crater]

let me try to explain it my way

[frosty trail]

if you can't just type it in portuguesse

or wtv language

[eternal siren]

boa tarde

see that portuguese

[weary crater]

I know that the game is not made to please everyone and I understand that things are as they are and yes, there are passives that are better recommended for certain characters than others.

[frosty trail]

ok

[weary crater]

thats not the reason im mad

[frosty trail]

dawg get to the point

[weary crater]

and im not mad

[weary crater]

theres two portuguese

[frosty trail]

[weary crater]

portuguese (portugal)

[eternal siren]

and brazil

[weary crater]

yes

[eternal siren]

are you from brazil?

[weary crater]

yes

[eternal siren]

ok

[frosty trail]

bro is never going to get to the point 😭

[eternal siren]

i just said “good afternoon” 💔

[weary crater]

I'm taking so long because you guys made me a player who is angry because something doesn't work the way he wants

[frosty trail]

so how do you want it to work?

[weary crater]

i want they to rework this passive to make it compatible with monarch

at least think about that

if some dev say to me "no that how it work"

i would accept it

now u get it?

[frosty trail]

so you want proof that it was designed this way

to make it anti monarch?

cause im 99.9% sure a devs did say that

one second

[weary crater]

Being a programmer or a game creator you have to think that people will do something they shouldn't do and prevent against that by making those actions not possible.

so if he is an "anti monarch" this passive should not even be obtainable for him

[frosty trail]

whats the difference

if it is or isint

[weary crater]

and that's called responsibility

[frosty trail]

you are'int going to use it anyways

so why would it matter if it was obtainable on him or not

[weary crater]

and it's the same thing as thinking "nobody would be stupid enough to eat a pen cap" but even so it can happen

[frosty trail]

from the words of a dev

"hes a free monarch"

[frosty trail]

yes you can roll monarch on him

yes you can roll it off

like what would the difference be 😭

it would just make the other traits easier to get

[eternal siren]

tbh im fine with making monarch unobtainable for ragna

[weary crater]

Children sometimes swallow these lids, which is why these holes exist so that even if this happens, they can breathe.

[frosty trail]

and ragna gets this special privilage because hes trash with monarch?

then what about every other unit

[weary crater]

This is called prevention

[frosty trail]

thats not good with monarch

why even make any trait other then fortune obtainable on farms

[eternal siren]

well i mean his passive revolves around having multiple placements and monarch prevents that

[weary crater]

and it should have been done if they wanted monarch not to be obtained in ragnar

[frosty trail]

so do farms

[weary crater]

if that's what you're telling me

[frosty trail]

yet you can get traits that literaly do nothing on them

[eternal siren]

but monarch makes ragna worse

[frosty trail]

and the same applies to farms

and other niche units

[eternal siren]

only speedwagon

[frosty trail]

and takodora?

[eternal siren]

takorada doesnt get nerfed by monarch

[frosty trail]

well

i guess it doesint make him worse

[hard drift]

Just say u have monarch and wanna make him good

This makes no sense

[frosty trail]

but it literaly does nothing

just because a unit can't take advantage of a trait within the system does not mean that you block off that part of the system for them, you have the choice weither you want to build ragna that way or not it is UR choice, its not the responsibility of the devs to block off parts of the system so that players can't make a bad choice.

If the bad choice was actually detrementale to ur acount or progression then it could be a slight problem, however rolling monarch on ragna does not effect ur progression in the slightest, its one trait reroll and you could use another trait reroll to get a better trait

[weary crater]

Sorry, but since I have to communicate in a language that I'm not fluent in, I have to use a translator and this means that the idea I have cannot be transmitted with 100% accuracy, which makes you misunderstand me.

[frosty trail]

and if they were to do this for ragna, then why would it not apply to farms, or any unit with more then 3 placements

cause monarch makes them inherintly worse technicaly

[weary crater]

se eu falasse no meu idioma vocês não entenderiam

[frosty trail]

i understand

[weary crater]

I think I wrote the title of the post in a way that wasn't very clear about the idea I wanted to convey.

[frosty trail]

It's not always on the devs to protect players from every suboptimal choice. A well designed system should inform, not restrict. As long as the system communicates what traits do and players understand the implications, it’s fair game.

🤷🏻

also

[weary crater]

it should be "Rework Ragnar "Life of experience" passive to be compatible with monarch"

[hard drift]

People aren’t disagreeing because of your wording or they don’t understand you

[frosty trail]

When a system hard blocks something, it can feel artificial or overly hand holdy. It basically says that the devs don't trust players to learn or experiment.

[hard drift]

It’s just a bad idea

[weary crater]

why is a bad ideia can you explain?

[frosty trail]

thats the same as the current title man

[frosty trail]

dawg ive been explaining

[weary crater]

its not

[frosty trail]

😭

[frosty trail]

it implys the same meaning

[weary crater]

that not my fault

[hard drift]

Why would you rework a whole unit just because monarch isn’t compatible with it

[frosty trail]

???

[weary crater]

your language seems quite limited

[hard drift]

You rolled monarch when you shouldn’t of you have to deal with it

[shrewd verge]

It basically is because you cannot make it work with monarch while not destroying game balance unless it gets reworked

[weary crater]

sorry but in my language it doesn't mean the same thing

[weary crater]

yes

that the point

at least in part

[hard drift]

So you want to break the whole game cause you got monarch on him

[eternal siren]

there was clearly a translation error 😭 🙏🏿

[weary crater]

I'm not saying they have to protect us from everything but still something should be done if they don't want to deal with it

[weary crater]

no

i dont want to break the game

[hard drift]

Ok I think this language barrier is a bit too much

Good luck

[weary crater]

I agree that if the passive worked it would simply be broken

i dont want that

i just want a rework to make it possible to use on monarch

[frosty trail]

what you are proposing is to

1. make monarch unobtainable on ragna which literaly protects the player from a sub optimal choice that they make
2. Rework ragna's passive (which is 100% not going to happen) just so it can be "Compatible" with one trait

[eternal siren]

who would want to have monarch ragna

[frosty trail]

ok lets rework farms so that they give more money with monarch

[frosty trail]

🤷🏻

its the players choice

[weary crater]

about the first idea this is something you didn't understand correctly

[frosty trail]

[eternal siren]

no, you are never spinning off of a mythic trait to get monarch on ragna. it doesnt matter how much rrs you have, nobody does that

freak behaviour

[weary crater]

bro do i look that i rolled a bunch of spins in ragnar to get monarch?

[frosty trail]

why would you ever want a def main stat artifact on a hu tao?

you wouldint but its the choice of the player if they want to have it or not.

[weary crater]

i just got it in 5 spins

[frosty trail]

ok then roll it off

it only takes 1 rr

whats the problem

[eternal siren]

what is hu tao

[frosty trail]

genshin refrence

uh let me re word it rq

[eternal siren]

fortnite terms

[weary crater]

You said that the devs said that Ragnar is a anti-monarch, which from what I understand you have no proof of.

[frosty trail]

why would you want a defense main stat artifact on a character that uses attack

its not the most optimal decision but its the players choice.

[shrewd verge]

Comparing artifacts to traits isn't a good Comparison imo
They function kinda differently in this context

[weary crater]

fr

It was a horrible comparison and it just shows that he still doesn't understand what I mean.

[frosty trail]

can't think of a better comparison

[eternal siren]

its like wanting a grey pump rather than a legendary despite legendary being better

[frosty trail]

pretty much

[eternal siren]

why 😭 🙏🏿

nobody is choosing that

[frosty trail]

its the players choice 😭

[weary crater]

bro

[frosty trail]

why remove any sub optimal choices

[weary crater]

You certainly didn't understand

[eternal siren]

sub optimal choice would be range 1

traitless even

[ashen timber]

Yooooo can we buff tobi

[eternal siren]

idk why u would spin to make your unit weaker

players choice ❌

freaks choice ✅

[frosty trail]

you don't you spin to make them strong, but why remove the sub optimal choices

like why would any trait below mythic exist at this point for any unit

its worse then monarch

and people can roll it

[eternal siren]

but its better than traitless

monarch is WORSE than traitless

on ragna

[frosty trail]

how much worse

fortnite terms please

[eternal siren]

^

[gentle marten]

I highly doubt this would be added but man I wish

😔

Worst 20 rrs

Of my life

[graceful pasture]

It’s never happening, pack it up gang

[gentle marten]

😓

Yea

Ik

[eternal siren]

i hope you get ethereal on your next ragna in 19 rrs

[graceful pasture]

Bro was just designed specifically to work better with other traits and not need monarch, it is what it is

Unironically deadeye ragna might be the best soon enough

[gentle marten]

😼

I hope

[weary crater]

shinzuko dev is talking to me in private

[frosty trail]

ok i have gotten a second opinion on this matter and can see were you are coming from (better) now but i still disagree with blocking monarch off or ragnas passive to fit it just because its super easy to get a better trait then monarch on him

[weary crater]

he speak my language

[frosty trail]

eu consegui uma segunda opinião sobre esse assunto e agora consigo entender melhor de onde você está vindo, mas ainda discordo de bloquear o Monarch ou a passiva do Ragna só para encaixar isso, porque é super fácil conseguir um traço melhor do que o Monarch nele.

[quaint crystal]

This would defeat the whole purpose of the unit

[frosty trail]

O sistema já é generoso o suficiente para que você possa refazer os traços sem muita dificuldade, então não há realmente motivo para restringir a possibilidade de rolagens ruins.

[frosty trail]

their point is that monarch makes ragna worse then he was traitless, why even make the trait obtainable at that point

[weary crater]

why it is obtainable on him if they wanted to make a "anti monarch" unit

[hard drift]

Gang

What

[frosty trail]

cause their is no justifiable reason as to why you would not make it obtainable on him. Rerolls are easy to get which makes getting monarch on him not really a big deal, nor does it effect ur acount permanently.

like we get what

400 rerolls a week minimum?

[weary crater]

amigo você não entendeu ainda

[frosty trail]

Porque não há nenhuma razão justificável para não torná-lo obtível nele. As rerolls são fáceis de conseguir, o que faz com que pegar o Monarch nele não seja realmente algo tão problemático, nem afeta sua conta de forma permanente.

[weary crater]

vocês que disseram que os devs falaram que ele e um ant monarch mas na verdade eles nunca disseram isso e se queriam isso monarca não deveria ser obtivel nele

[frosty trail]

Eu entendo, mas não concordo com o argumento, só porque as rerolls são tão fáceis de conseguir e não é difícil pegar um traço melhor nele.

[weary crater]

o problema não e os trait rerrol ja que da pra pegar facil

estou falando que a passiva dele foi muito mal implementada no jogo

oque faz ela incompativel com monarca

[eternal siren]

save me google lens

[frosty trail]

Eles nunca disseram especificamente que ele é anti-Monarch, mas qualquer um pode ver que ele é. A coisa mais próxima que tivemos de uma declaração dos desenvolvedores sobre esse tópico foi um desenvolvedor dizendo que ele é um Monarch grátis.

[weary crater]

isso e muita negligencia da parte deles ignorar algo assim

[short storm]

I possess four skills Honesty, Sincerity, Trustworthy, and Reasonable.

[hard drift]

I possess four skills Honesty, Sincerity, Trustworthy, and Reasonable.

[weary crater]

que sinceramente não significa nada para essa discussão ja que não é esse o ponto

[frosty trail]

É um problema se isso permite que as pessoas tenham o Monarch de graça?

[weary crater]

esse não e o ponto

[frosty trail]

?

[weary crater]

estou dizendo que a maneira que a passiva foi criada faz ela incompativel com monarca e isso é uma negligencia dos desenvolvedores em implementar uma passiva que não funciona de maneira correta com outras mecanicas no jogo

[pale yarrow]

Unbump, i would explain but plenty of people told you already

[eternal siren]

you are going to get warning 😂 😂

[short storm]

No I’m not

[eternal siren]

i wish 😔

[frosty trail]

Pelo que eu entendi, você acha que a passiva é mal projetada porque o Monarch é "inutilizável" nele, o que eu até concordo em parte, mas sendo realista, os desenvolvedores não vão refazer uma passiva com a qual a maior parte da comunidade já está feliz. Além disso, novamente, conseguir o Monarch é muito improvável e você sempre pode trocá-lo com a abundância de rerolls que você recebe.

[frosty trail]

Quer dizer, olhe a quantidade de pessoas que negativaram o post, isso só mostra que a maioria das pessoas está feliz que o Monarch é ruim nele.

28:0

🤷🏻

[short storm]

Fr

[weary crater]

amigo eu sei disso

[frosty trail]

👍🏻

[weary crater]

mas vocês não entenderam nem um pouco oque eu quero dizer

vocês acham que eu estou reclamando por que peguei uma passiva ruim mesmo que existam melhores

[frosty trail]

Eu entendo, eu só não concordo.

[weary crater]

mas oque estou dizendo e que monarca nele e ruim porque faz a princpical habilidade dele não funcionar

[frosty trail]

Sim, eu entendo isso, mas os desenvolvedores não reworkam passivas, e eles não vão dar privilégios especiais ao Ragna porque seria uma perda de tempo mudar uma mecânica que a maioria das pessoas gosta.

[frosty trail]

Você pode debater ou argumentar o que quiser, mas essa sugestão já foi levantada várias vezes e foi recusada todas as vezes.

[weary crater]

então vai ficar por isso?

se o Ragnar fosse meta com certeza todo mundo reclamaria do que eu estou falando

oque não acontece por que ninguem dá atenção pra ele

[frosty trail]

Sim, vai ficar assim. Os desenvolvedores são muito firmes em não mudar passivas.

[frosty trail]

Eles reclamaram quando ele estava meta, e mesmo assim os desenvolvedores ainda recusaram a ideia.

[weary crater]

muito responsavel da parte deles que deixem algo assim acontecer

ignorar o pedido de uma comunidade

isso totalmente ignorante

e meio imaturo eu diria

[frosty trail]

Todo mundo já sabe disso, cara.

LOL

[weary crater]

uma coisa e não querer uma trait porque existem melhores outra e não querer uma trait por que ela não funciona

[weary crater]

e vão aceitar?

[hasty prawn]

Dumbass alert

[frosty trail]

Aceitar que são ignorantes e imaturos? Claro que não vão aceitar isso, mas o que se pode fazer?

🤷🏻

[weary crater]

you dont know context

[hasty prawn]

Yep there’s MOST definitely CONTEXT!!

[frosty trail]

Honestamente, recomendo apagar o post, já que todo mundo vai entrar aqui e criticar de qualquer forma. Não acho que seu ponto estava errado nem ruim, mas a maioria das pessoas, incluindo eu, discorda dele.

[weary crater]

algo pode sim ser feito nos somos nos que jogamos o jogo não eles

como desenvolvedores eles deveriam ao menos escutar sua comunidade

enquanto vocês continuarem calados e aceitarem eles continuaram a fazer isso

[frosty trail]

Os desenvolvedores não são os únicos que tomam as decisões sobre as passivas das unidades. Eles têm uma equipe inteira para balanceamento e criação das passivas das unidades, e esses balanceadores jogam muito o jogo.

[weary crater]

então com certeza a algo de errado com eles

[frosty trail]

🤷🏻

[frosty trail]

Eles escutam a comunidade, é que às vezes eles acham que têm um julgamento melhor.

[weary crater]

talvez nem sempre

[frosty trail]

Obviamente, mas mudar a opinião dos desenvolvedores é altamente improvável.

[weary crater]

se existe toda uma equipe por tras disso com certeza eles podem pensar em maneiras melhores de fazer com que essa passiva funcione com monarca

mas pelo visto querem ignorar isso totalmente

então se as coisas vão ser desse jeito que sejam

[frosty trail]

Sim, mas tenho 99% de certeza de que a intenção era justamente fazer com que não funcionasse com o Monarch, para que jogadores que não têm sorte pudessem ter uma unidade estilo Monarch boa sem precisar ter o traço em si.

Isso pode ser comprovado com a declaração de um dos desenvolvedores principais dizendo que "ele é um Monarch grátis".

[weary crater]

ridiculo pra dizer o minimo

enfim

essa discussão acaba aqui

[frosty trail]

👍🏻

[weary crater]

Rework Ragnar "Experience of Lifetime" to be compatible with monarch

[graceful pasture]

It's not gonna get reworked either

The passive is designed the way it is for a reason

[hard drift]

They’re not touching a unit because you got monarch on it and aren’t satisfied

💔

[graceful pasture]

"Make monarch not rollable on him," by that logic make everything else not rollable on farms either because they're useless

[frosty trail]

no hes thinks that the devs forgot about monarch

when designing his kit

[hard drift]

Don’t show this guy sjw

[frosty trail]

"otherwise they wouldint have made him uncompatible with monarch"

which was his main argument

[hard drift]

Not every unit is gonna have monarch as the best trait

[frosty trail]

no but monarch is worse then a traitless ragna

[graceful pasture]

Ain't no way that's legitimately the thought

😭

[frosty trail]

for the record i don't agree with his argument

[frosty trail]

yeah thats what he though and i couldint really prove it since i couldint find any dev statments

on the topic

[graceful pasture]

I can guarantee you there was never a "forgot about monarch" moment. The passive was very deliberately designed with the knowledge that monarch would make the majority of his kit unusable

[frosty trail]

well we came to the agreement at the end of the discussion that the devs probably won't change his passives

since most people are happy as he is anyways

[hard drift]

I don’t get how this argument is any different than “if devs make a unit 4 placement they forgot about monarch”

[graceful pasture]

What

[hard drift]

He’s complaining devs forgot about monarch cause he’s 4 placement and has a passive tied to him being 4 placement

[graceful pasture]

No no

I mean, what is the logic behind "4 placement unit = forgot about monarch"

[frosty trail]

🤷🏻

[hard drift]

That if monarch isn’t the optimal trait devs “forget” about it

[graceful pasture]

Cost efficiency is still an incredibly powerful thing to monarch

[potent adder]

yall Monarch Ragna are bad, just spin It out for Ethereal lol, if anyone still use ts character

i got like 2 Ethereals on Aizen and im not suggesting a rework for aura passive

[short storm]

Buff uryu

[graceful pasture]

nuh uh

[hard drift]

I possess four skills Honesty, Sincerity, Trustworthy, and Reasonable.

[short storm]

Those aren’t skills

[hard drift]

They are bud

[elder parcel]

the devs dont expect av players to be as dumb as children i think

[frosty trail]

no they are not

💔

[hard drift]

They’re skills

[frosty trail]

they are traits or qualities

[hard drift]

you’re mad that you don’t possess these 4 skills

[frosty trail]

😭

alrighty bro

[placid forum]

The fact this is even in suggestions is crazy 😭

You got monarch ragna cry about it the entire point of making ragna was to make a unit that DOESN'T require monarch to get monarch level performance

[gentle marten]

Tbf anyone would be pissed if they got monarch ragna

[placid forum]

His entire passive is literally just building up for Monarch damage if you have monarch congrats you can skip the entire process of building damage and thats it

[placid forum]

At that point its your fault for rolling on ragna instead of really any newer unit

[gentle marten]

Well the only way you have monarch on ragna is if ur stupid asl or spend like 20 rrs

And get it as ur first mythic

[graceful pasture]

I mean, ragna's still a good unit worth rolling on if you have the units to make a team.

It's just that you don't really need to invest that heavily into rolls

[short storm]

Buff uryu

[graceful pasture]

nuh uh