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#Make units that ignore status ailments ignore energy drain
primal steeple
ehhhh
then hes just another summon unit like vsjw
or i guess if its gazelle type
fast helm
8 unit in 1
primal steeple
thatd be fine
fast helm
vernal shadow
They could be actual unit summons
primal steeple
gazelle type vanguard unit would be heat
vernal shadow
Not track summons
fast helm
They jumping people now
vernal shadow
Imagine cid doesnt attack, he lets the shadows work for him while he charges atomic
primal steeple
Imagine cid doesnt attack, he lets the shadows work for him while he charges ato...
thatd only be after a certain upgrade
vernal shadow
He could spawn with alpha
primal steeple
im hoping they make it so he has 14 upgrades max, and gets a new shadow every 2 upgrades
vernal shadow
Oh ok
primal steeple
and like really weak lol
vernal shadow
Does he have a mundane man form too
primal steeple
Does he have a mundane man form too
i mean shit he could
school form, mundane man form, john form, and atomic form
vernal shadow
Sukuna vanguard when s3 airs
fast helm
sukuna would generate a lot
vernal shadow
Probably
lunar thorn
Sukuna vanguard when s3 airs
Yeah they said they have plans for him
Probably what they meant
fast helm
Sukuna bout to have 10 passives
primal steeple
yea i highly doubt they'd shove him in the 5.5 update
vernal shadow
He makes binding vows mid game
primal steeple
Sukuna bout to have 10 passives
i hope not
primal steeple
he aint going to be a 1 upd vanguard
fast helm
I meant full upd
vernal shadow
Imagine a rent a girlfriend update tho
fast helm
how would that even work
primal steeple
nah bro what
primal steeple
you throw the girls at the monsters and they get charmed?
primal steeple
You pay 3000 for a support unit and she goes away after like 3 waves
lmfao
heat ngl
fast helm
You pay 3000 for a support unit and she goes away after like 3 waves
familiar victim
proven jolt
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proven jolt
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simple furnace
I havent seen a single person complain about rifts or dungeons being tough, maybe the mechanic is just annoying as hell cus i have to invest rr and resources into a unit for one specific stage and never again
soft stump
??
drain is a status debuff
are we dumb or sum
mf said its a debuff and not a status effect
who lets yall into suggestions bro
delicate flax
He’s not wrong, they are technically different things. Status effects are like stuns and snares, debuffs are direct modifiers to stats.
primal steeple
Thank you, people need to realize even if that wasn't the case for other games, it can be for this one, a lot of games have their own variation of definitions to certain terms.
delicate flax
I will concede that early in game, there was not a lot of distinction between things outside of "immune to stun" basically, but there's been attempts and efforts to make better distinctions in things.
Having a degree in yuginomics is very important to knowing the differences between the terms LOL
ornate pewter
Having a degree in yuginomics is very important to knowing the differences betwe...
Yo Mr tester guy
why is sjw the best unit in the game? If somebody could just summarise pls
I'm a noon
noob
delicate flax
He's just versatile. Unknown element is very strong in being immune to status effects and debuffs, his kit opens up a lot of %max hp summons on demand or just having insanely strong elite summons if you have him monarch. He's also just a unit you chip away at his obtainment. The most RNG involved in it is getting Igris, really, but otherwise, is very accessible to the playerbase
ornate pewter
He's just versatile. Unknown element is very strong in being immune to status ef...
okay tysm
I'm upgrading from ragna to sjw haha
I got really lucky and pulled monarch on him (sjw(
ornate pewter
I'm upgrading from ragna to sjw haha
now i have something other than ragna
delicate flax
Ragna's really strong too, just requires a little bit of team support around him. Usually a bit better in multiplayer, but he's still insane.
ornate pewter
Ragna's really strong too, just requires a little bit of team support around him...
ty I'm mostly being ignores by everyone else prob bc they think I'm trolling or smth I just seen him high on tierlists 🙏
woeful nebula
ty I'm mostly being ignores by everyone else prob bc they think I'm trolling or ...
You shouldn’t be using Ragna
ornate pewter
You shouldn’t be using Ragna
he was my only good unit
like the other stuff I had was trash
delicate flax
If you have any buff units, he's very good.
Essentially a monarch unit on his own.
woeful nebula
like the other stuff I had was trash
Don’t listen to the tester, please
Ask the question helpers instead
They will you it’s not worth spinning on Ragna the fact there are better options
woeful nebula
You all dog on ragna for literally no reason
He has no purpose
Is he used for 99% of the gamemodes? No
There are better options
What makes you think a beginner like him has support units to begin with?
delicate flax
Yes? You can literally make a team around ragna and still hit MVPs. "Is he used for 99% of gamemodes," he's used if you want to use him. You have a wide variety of units. Use whatever you want, there's no reason not to just bring units to have fun, who cares if he's not "the best of the best"
Winter banner literally has one of his most important support units so there's a solid chance he does have at least that.
woeful nebula
this is a crazy take
stealing
MVPs?
He’s not beating Dante, or Aizen when it comes to
MVP
Makes me think you don’t even play the game,
delicate flax
I've literally made entire teams around ragna for rifts and taken MVPs with it. 
At the end of the day, he's a legitimately good unit, and if you want to roll on him and use him, you should feel free to because this is a game you can have fun with instead of mindlessly following some meta tier lists.
worldly flame
At the end of the day, he's a legitimately good unit, and if you want to roll on...
Don’t mind him 1970 is notorious for having the worst takes ever
woeful nebula
Don’t mind him 1970 is notorious for having the worst takes ever
Hop off lmao
I never said Ragna was trash or not worth using just the fact he’s not worth spinning on considering there are better options
mfs like you are the reason why beginners don’t progress a lot more quicker
this guy going need bleed units later on the more he progress you and you’re with the facts he need to spin on ragna? Hes not even playing for fun as he admitted to that earlier today
delicate flax
woeful nebula
How often did they say they check suggestions
It’s not really their job to check the suggestions
Only the game manages job
And they forward it to them if they think it’s a good idea
jaunty hearth
they said daily 🙏
delicate spire
Hop off lmao
I never said Ragna was trash or not worth using just the fact he’s ...
ragna is a hyper carry
💔
he has high vertical investment potential = if u get ethereal full z+ with his meta supports
he can outdps anyone i think
for a fraction of the cost too
with freeze
💔
peak swan
Upvoted
ornate pike
Is he used for 99% of the gamemodes? No
let's see: OP for boss event, GODLIKE for oddesy, GREAT for 15 stage thing bc he's pretty cheap compared to maxing 3 units, freeze, he's good
and bleed isn't as needed as it once was considering only stage with regen is tourney and some boss events
nothing where dps can't slam instead
proven jolt
B
crude sigil
Now this suggestion hasnt sense, bc devs say that status ailments immunity units shod be effected by power drain
ornate pike
Now this suggestion hasnt sense, bc devs say that status ailments immunity units...
said in the Q/A that it's intentional, this suggestion is basically denied
unique talon
Well what they need is just to reword it, from units that are immune to all status ailments to units are immune to most status ailments
delicate flax
It’s not an issue of wording, it’s just that “status ailment/effect” =/= “debuffs”
queen sail
It’s not an issue of wording, it’s just that “status ailment/effect” =/= “debuff...
going against 40 years of video game history 
change it to "Immune to Incapacitation" since that is more in line with no stun, freeze, timestop and snare
delicate flax
I mean… No? Games will always word things differently and sometimes even just strangely because that’s just how they did things.
A lot of people run into the same sort of issue with YuGiOh and getting hung up on the whole “If vs When” thing because you’d think they’d just functionally do the same thing
queen sail
A lot of people run into the same sort of issue with YuGiOh and getting hung up ...
I'd assume thats more because of how old and japanese those are. All your base are belong to us, afterall
delicate flax
And what about the modern game and reprints where they very clearly don’t suffer from any sort of poor translation errors or anything like that?
queen sail
Keeping things the way they used to be
Either way this game has no such excuse
delicate flax
Wording is kept very deliberate and specific for intentional reasons, not “because the game is old”
queen sail
you are arguing against yourself by the way, that literally means this game shouldnt suck so much at wording
lime pier
why tf is (ALMIGHTY) yhwach getting affected by ts
delicate flax
None of that was arguing against myself 
Because he’s immune to status ailments, not debuffs
Gilg and gojo have the same thing and should be getting affected, but they’re bugged
lime pier
Because he’s immune to status ailments, not debuffs
nuh uh
queen sail
Uh huh, and thats why multiple characters with the same wording are affected differently!
Please stop being a cowboy
delicate flax
Again
The same wording being affected differently is because that’s an unintended bug, probably because of the ways they were initially coded.
They even said it on stage about how the units that are immune and shouldn’t be are bugged
lime pier
The same wording being affected differently is because that’s an unintended bug,...
get a better coder
delicate flax
lime pier
They even said it on stage about how the units that are immune and shouldn’t be ...
me is correct u is incorrect! 
delicate flax
Nuh uh
queen sail
The same wording being affected differently is because that’s an unintended bug,...
Good opportunity to improve the wording
Instead of being pedantic, accept that its shit the way Nullify was shit and just improve it
delicate flax
I was the one who pushed for nullify to be reworded because it didn’t even make sense and wasn’t clear what it did or didn’t do before.
lime pier
Good opportunity to improve the wording
Instead of being pedantic, accept that i...
good openion!
delicate flax
Ailments vs debuffs, though? That’s pretty clear to me
queen sail
Ailments vs debuffs, though? That’s pretty clear to me
Its a good thing you are smarter than everyone else!
soft stump
He’s not wrong, they are technically different things. Status effects are like s...
yeah but they ARENT lmao
both are status effects
delicate flax
Debuffs are direct modifiers to stats
Status effects/ailments are things that otherwise directly impact your unit as a whole like stun/snare
delicate flax
Maybe in some other places, they’re used interchangeably, yes
Not here though.
The distinction is there for a reason
queen sail
There is no distinction
At best there is one pop-up explaining the drain mechanic and you cant check it anywhere else ever again
soft stump
The distinction is there for a reason
gang what distinction
delicate flax
Status ailments and debuffs are two different things in AV, it’s as simple as that.
soft stump
Status ailments and debuffs are two different things in AV, it’s as simple as th...
and there is nothing that other than a guy in a stage calling people dumb when HES wrong
they are literally the same thing
delicate flax
How can you say hes wrong when they make the game
They are literally free to make the decisions they want
If they want to make ailments and debuffs the same thing, they can. If they want to make them different, guess what, they have the freedom to do that
queen sail
Free to be wrong about language, and then everyone else is free to point out how stupid it is
soft stump
because he was referring to them being different as a whole
not in specfically AV
why are u straight meat riding
delicate flax
I'm not meat riding, that's just how this is
It's literally just a design choice just like YGO's "if vs when" effects
lime pier
It's literally just a design choice just like YGO's "if vs when" effects
Wtf is YGO
delicate flax
Yu-Gi-Oh
soft stump
Wtf is YGO
probably yugioh
delicate flax
That's fine
lime pier
What word is banned bro
lime pier
Oh
delicate flax
My point is that there's wording choices there that create whole things of confusion in the community. but they're very deliberate choices
lime pier
Mb
soft stump
My point is that there's wording choices there that create whole things of confu...
ah yes make really bad choices and then call the community dumb
makes sense
delicate flax
LOL
delicate flax
ah yes make really bad choices and then call the community dumb
It's not that it's a bad choice. It's just that people are adamant about arguing for what they want and not what the game wants to set up for the future
lime pier
I just got monarch roku
delicate flax
lime pier
soft stump
It's not that it's a bad choice. It's just that people are adamant about arguing...
or or
its just a really stupid choice
delicate flax
or or
people just want it to be so they can butt heads and say "im right, the devs are stupid"
queen sail
My point is that there's wording choices there that create whole things of confu...
Deliberately inconsistent at best, Ywach's "debuff" or "effect" or "ailment" whichever synonym you want to use affects both VSJW and Gojo
Are debuffs not effects? So then they are ailments?
small owl
delicate flax
debuffs are not status effects/ailments. Yhwach should be able to receive debuffs. Gojo should be able to be debuffed. VSJW should not be because unknown element is immune to both.
delicate flax
The reason why Gojo isn't debuffed is likely because when he was made, the old coders probably just said "yeah fuck it, just make him immune to everything in game"
small owl
What? U don’t believe me ?
lime pier
The reason why Gojo isn't debuffed is likely because when he was made, the old c...
Goatjo
queen sail
The reason why Gojo isn't debuffed is likely because when he was made, the old c...
In other words... its so inconsistently executed that it's not really deliberate. It's a mistake. Many mistakes
Hence it would just be better... to improve it all
delicate flax
Improve it all... By fixing the units and making them consistent, you're so right! That's such a good idea, thank you so much! 
Shit's going to be inconsistent when you swap out major parts of a dev team
That's why you work to fix it once you get back on track towards a future vision
queen sail
Too bad they chose to stick to the 1 month release schedule which they admitted is impossible to keep up with!
Don't know when you joined testing, but it'd have been nice if someone told them to keep Odyssey in development for a little longer when it's barely alpha quality
The wording could be improved too, simple as
delicate flax
I joined at just about 3.5, and I said Odyssey wasn't really enjoyable either before the update shipped. But I also didn't get the chance to run proper, standard runs for a feel until the day before the update, so there wasn't much time on that. I had to push to not have yen carry over fully because it was just insanely boring to just place and max all your farms before the game even started to pile up more money than you could ever spend. It is what it is now, maybe they're reworking it.
I agree that wordings could be improved a little to give players clarity, like how nullify was entirely reworded to better explain what it did
tbh I think a simple change to "status effects" and "stat debuffs" would just make it easier to understand
queen sail
Yes! Even the smallest change could help
But you know what, I got an idea that might satisfy all sides and improve player experience at the same time.
I'll be back later, trust 
delicate flax
I know there’s been talk of adding to enemy index to show a little bit more, like what mutators they have if any and such, but it hasn’t been very high priority
At the end of the day though, energy drain is still supposed to affect “status ailment immune” units and that was a very deliberate choice (that I voted against because for as much as I wanna counter the strong units, I preferred the consistency feeling otherwise)
vernal shadow
A lot of people run into the same sort of issue with YuGiOh and getting hung up ...
No, if and when actually makes sense
And once you understand it you always know whats going to happen
This is just an arbitrary decision because the devs gave immunity to status ailments to literally every other unit
delicate flax
If and when still don’t make sense to a lot of players, it’s just annoying
vernal shadow
Thats a problem of intelligence
woeful nebula
let's see: OP for boss event, GODLIKE for oddesy, GREAT for 15 stage thing bc he...
are you trolling ?
he's no longer good for odyssey due to his nerf 😂
op for boss event? there's a 10:05 method with goku + aizen
can you do that with ragna? no you can't
is he used for tourney? no he is not
worldly flame
Ragna’s still good though
Just because he isn’t top 1 doesn’t make him not good lmao
proven jolt
B
ornate pike
are you trolling ?
he's no longer good for odyssey due to his nerf 😂
I didn't see the nerf
exotic lynx
Ragna’s still good though
he is kinda the worst secret to use
in any normal circumstances
since you cant place and upgrade only, you need to set UP buffs and what for Dmg passives
also he isnt imune for stun or anything that compensate this many effort to make him work
exotic lynx
Ragna’s still good though
he is near the worst top, far way from the best
worldly flame
in any normal circumstances
Yeah no shit 😭
Why are you using ragna in normal circumstances
He’s used in niche stages but in those niche stages he’s really good
small owl
idk emaybe bump
delicate flax
What are y'all on about ragna being the worst secret, no way you're fr 😭
ornate pike
he is kinda the worst secret to use
forgetting about valentine
HE is the worst to use
by so far
good luck getting clone kills when he cant hit 20k
max stats
highest it can go with passives is 20ish
but he is level 50 to be fair
delicate flax
I can think of like 5 or maybe 6 secrets that are just generally worse
ornate pike
stopped leveling him after i realised how bad he was gonna be
life when 2 alocards 🌹
life when one of them could have been gojeta 🥀
keen panther
life when 2 alocards 🌹
i have 4 alucards
keen panther
183 and 1.6m gems
ornate pike
i got 500k spent and level 80
still crazy u got 4 tho
my friend didnt get 1 til 900k
keen panther
i got 2 in 100k gems
ornate pike
noice
twilit zealot
kid buu passive says "immune to status effect" apparently, he immune to stun and energy drain enemy
twilit zealot
I know there’s been talk of adding to enemy index to show a little bit more, lik...
so only kid buu passive works for all type, like unknown unit.
twilit zealot
Debuffs are direct modifiers to stats
Status effects/ailments are things that ot...
can u testing and verify is this bug or no.
if immune to stats ailment = cant get stuned/snared still can get debuff, but yuruichi and salter is immune to snare too, both passive is only immune to stun + debuff.
while saber n igris passive "immune to stun" get snared. so is the snare is debuff/stats effect.
if thats bug should we post bug ? thanks
proven jolt
Bbbb
delicate flax
while saber n igris passive "immune to stun" get snared. so is the snare is debu...
Stun is not snare, so yeah it makes sense that they get snared.
Any units who say “immune to status ailments” and not “immune to debuffs” should be affected by energy drain
But because of poor and inconsistent coding/wording, some of those units are bugged to be immune to energy drain anyways
crude sigil
@delicate flax yo bro
can i ask u
why kid buu immune to power drain but normal not?
1 guy say bc normal buu bugged rn
is it true?
delicate flax
Most likely yes
crude sigil
ok
twilit zealot
Most likely yes
Kid buu imune to all, so its similar like unknown unit ?
