#Legend Stages SUCK!

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prime osprey
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challanges exist

civic cave
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langes

white echo
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Idk everyone talking about challenges not everybody got time to sit n run 40 challenges just to evo 1 unit

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W idea

woven steeple
# prime osprey challanges exist

Wensky already made this point but yea not everyone has time for that and for those worried about challenges being useless how challenges work now they are basically worthless already and are in need of a revamp

mild wedge
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just do boss rush for the stones

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and daily gold thingy too

crisp lantern
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alot of others simple ways of getting essence stones

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yall deadass dont know what it was like

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when we didn't had these type of QOF'sin av for essence stones

woven steeple
# crisp lantern when we didn't had these type of QOF'sin av for essence stones

Ive played since day 1 so yea i do and its really not much better now once you finish boss rush and rift there arent many good ways to get stones

Where im at right now its basically 20-40 runs of a challenges or legend stage to get enough to evo a unit but if i want someone like Aizen i need to evo 3 units and then Aizen which takes hours i dont have of grinding just for the essence stones not including the evo items (which are easy to get but still)

woven steeple
crisp lantern
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boos rush resets every tuesday

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better yet boss rush is resetting today

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65 green stones

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every tuesday

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15 for the rest

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u have 2x weekend

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which just ended

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u have dismantle

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which is so peak

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resets everyday

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doesnt give much but comes in handy

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joj raid shop

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not much but its there

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50 and 30 for the rest

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which is alot since the others are the mainly the ones u are missing most of the time

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literally this.

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helped out so much

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bro theres fucking 99

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u can get

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world lines

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u said rift shop but that's 100 and 50

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in there

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like bro

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legend stages arent rlly for green stones

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that's why they never rlly buffed it

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yes u can grind it on the side and get lil at time but having dismantle makes everything so much better

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there's a reason why everyone said the fate update was their comback update

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cuz that shit bought so much QOF NEEEDED for this game

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u want legends to grind essence which is NOT what it is meant for

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Daily challenge/Hourly Challenge are FOR essences

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the legend stages are meant for unit evo materials

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i hope u see what am saying

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if u dont idk what else to tell u

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this is clear as fucking day

north finch
woven steeple
# crisp lantern so u have played since DAY ONE u think when u finish boss rush and rift there ar...

There a lot of ways to get stones but most of what you listed aren't viable grinds especially for newer or more casual players

I've played since day 1 and have a current meta team and still can solo dungeons

Command seals grinding is slow
Love shop takes awhile to grind forg giselle and most people dont have time to do both grinds
World lines also takes a lot of time and after you've beaten it that's maybe 2 evo units maybe
Rifts are also not a grindable thing because they are too hard for most ppl to solo and only spawn once every 2 hours IF they don't bug out
Dismantling is good but not good enough
Raid is fine but only gives 25 and thats not enough to evo anything

woven steeple
# crisp lantern i hope u see what am saying

You make good points but your only thinking from the perspective of someone who has the means and time to grind all of this

The way essence stones are now is just setup to artificially inflate playtime on an otherwise very well paced game

woven steeple
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?

crisp lantern
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2x weekend

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simple

woven steeple
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dosent help much

crisp lantern
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what?

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bro.

woven steeple
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I dont think half of what you listed is affected by 2x weekend

crisp lantern
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ofc they are not the msg that are posted are points that are saying "ppl dont have time"

woven steeple
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and even then your suggesting someone who plays casually or is new only evos maybe 2 units a week

crisp lantern
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then do 2x on weekends

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u get so much

crisp lantern
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liek its so good

woven steeple
brave glen
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Boss rush
Challenges
Event shops
Raid/Dungeon shops
Legend stages
Dismantling
Gold shop

crisp lantern
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wtf are u saying at this point

brave glen
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All those gives essense

woven steeple
crisp lantern
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so ncie and simple

brave glen
crisp lantern
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then u gonna tell me it dont rlly help

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bro that how u grind essences...

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like wtf

woven steeple
crisp lantern
woven steeple
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im not even suggesting more essence stones be given from other things

woven steeple
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just add maybe what 1 an hour to AFK chamber so ppl who dont have time to play as much can still evo things

woven steeple
brave glen
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But what about boss rush?

woven steeple
brave glen
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So practically you want a way for essense stones to be easily grind able for new players

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?

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I also agree if that is the case however

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I do not think giving essense stones in the afk chamber is the solution

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I know this isn’t wide spread information but a while back pyseph did respond to a gamemode suggestion which would help new players grind for essense stobes

woven steeple
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have a friend who also played since day 1 who took a break when AA came back to give it a try
He plays ALOT with me and because he never "afk farmed" or anything he is level 40 and has 6 evo units in the entire time hes played
he has collage and a life so he sadly dosent have time to grind and evo all the new units so something small would be a great help for him

woven steeple
brave glen
woven steeple
brave glen
woven steeple
agile anvil
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literally just do the daily, takes 5 minutes a day and you'll comfortably evo about 2 units a week
you simply shouldnt be able to afk your way to endgame, simple as

woven steeple
agile anvil
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for literally zero effort? absolutely

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What? do you expect to get #1 on leaderboards by... afking?

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Yea good luck

brave glen
woven steeple
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it wouldnt affect leaderboards at all

brave glen
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Yeah but givibg them in the afk chamber?

brave glen
# woven steeple like what?

Worded it poorly but my main point was that theres still ways ti afk grind essense stones from boss rush and legend stages

agile anvil
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Updates usually have about 8-12 characters or whatever, so yes with just dailies you can evolve them each before the new update

woven steeple
agile anvil
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It all boils down to "just make it free" you're getting nowhere man

woven steeple
woven steeple
brave glen
woven steeple
brave glen
agile anvil
woven steeple
versed quest
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cope with it

woven steeple
versed quest
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if you're still grinding legend stages for essence stones then you got a problem to deal with,

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like we have so many shops that now offers them

versed quest
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it's going get wiped

versed quest
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that's something noobs can do

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get those presents

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open them for stones etc

woven steeple
versed quest
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wdym rely heavily

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scaling doesnt increase

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with others in game

woven steeple
versed quest
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yk what leech is right?

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just click auto start

woven steeple
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I get leeching culture is differint in this game compared to many others but its still not a viable solution

versed quest
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that's it

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you dont gotta place shit down 😭 🙏

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okay, either way what about rift shop?

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you can leech in those

woven steeple
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any solution reliant on others is viable

versed quest
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you can leech everywhere you wan

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want*b

woven steeple
versed quest
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boss rush etc

woven steeple
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Yes i know its possible but requiring others to be able to play the game for you isnt viable

versed quest
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that's why they want leechers

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so they can get the mvp rewards

woven steeple
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yea i get leeching works and its actually a good solution but its not designed into the game to be a mechanic its more an awkward work around

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and the christmas event will be leaving soon (probably)
making it no longer viable long term

sly tiger
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dued

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why the fuck is everyones solution adding it to afk chamber

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instead of suggestion a way to improve the grind

woven steeple
sly tiger
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cause boss raids give you so much

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and its much more efficent than legend stages

woven steeple
sly tiger
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the first 2 are quite easy

woven steeple
sly tiger
woven steeple
dusk sonnet
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some content will always require more playtime

woven steeple
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the point is most available ways to get essence stones require experienced players and are not new player friendly
im not advocating for making boss raids or dungeons easier

north finch
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if ur saying u dont have time to play the game then why are u expecting essence on a silver platter??

mental elbow
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holy greediness, isn’t it enough with 2x challenge drop on weekends

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or are you really expecting to get all the meta evo units just from being afk

woven steeple
woven steeple
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Why are people assuming not having essence stones is what is stopping people from having top meta? thats just stupid
its traits, banners, secret luck and a hundred other factors

(this isnt targeted im just getting annoyed by the same argument)

mental elbow
sly tiger
woven steeple
sly tiger
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why add an afk option to instead farm something in a better more enjoyable

woven steeple
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were not talking about me waking up with 200+ stones
im legit thinking 1 an hour or less

mental elbow
# woven steeple I admit the event currency is too much the gems arent very generous its only a f...

i have pretty much all the collection completed, and i have NEVER played legend stages for essence stones. There plenty of viable, easier and faster ways to get them. I can’t really see how ppl struggle with them, if you’re early game player I might understand it but you can always join someone else boss rush, you can always join others’ portals for giftboxes (10 green essences), and the list could go on

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also u can dismantle rainbow essence, bc most evos only require 1-3 rainbow essence, and etc

woven steeple
# mental elbow i have pretty much all the collection completed, and i have NEVER played legend ...

if you never played legend stages for essence stones you didnt play early updates much
ive explained before Viable does not equal accessible and most methods your talking about require experienced players
forcing someone to join others isnt a solution its a work around for a bad system
Portals have at most a 30% chance of dropping a gift which can drop essence stones
rainbow essence stones cost 7k gold to dismantle often leaving new players without enough money to afford an evo just to maybe get some of the stones they need

north finch
woven steeple
north finch
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only reason why im broke rn is because aizen is a needy boy

north finch
sly tiger
woven steeple
sly tiger
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adn by access i mean beat

woven steeple
north finch
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average amount of units per update is about 6ish, 30 per unit, so 180 stones. thats about 16ish days of buying out the green stone shop

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and for gold ones just do daily

north finch
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most ive seen is 45

woven steeple
north finch
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boss rush shop or dungeon shop, saber boss rush shop gives 500k

woven steeple
north finch
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oooor since u love the afk chamber just afk for gems and summon to get gold

sly tiger
woven steeple
north finch
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new players dont need secrets

woven steeple
north finch
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"lf carries"

woven steeple
woven steeple
north finch
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legend stage evo items are not that bad

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u can get em with epic units

sly tiger
woven steeple
north finch
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also gtg

woven steeple
# sly tiger you def do

you def do not
8+ hours with VIP i wake up with maybe 5k which is enough for just over ten 10 pulls

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not garenteed a mythic and other units dont sell for much

woven steeple
sly tiger
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all players get the full benefit

woven steeple
sly tiger
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im telling you

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all players

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ge tthe full benefit

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ffs

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your not suppose to even be getting 450x xp

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presents*

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that is the max

woven steeple
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this isnt relevant anyway

sly tiger
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either way your suggestion is terrible

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even suggesting to increase the amount legend stages minium green essence amount is

woven steeple
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To those who cant read who plan to comment
The purposed idea is 1 essence stone or less an hour
This idea is for new or casual players who dont want to grind as much

This isnt about the AFK chamber needing a nerf

sly tiger
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is a better suggestion

woven steeple
sly tiger
woven steeple
sly tiger
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a game should never incentivise afking to get resources

woven steeple
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afk chamber exsist

sly tiger
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thats the worst possible soluton

sly tiger
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i dont get why you brought it up

woven steeple
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you do know alot of ppl macaroni for essence stones right?

sly tiger
woven steeple
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your legit just punishing people without time and incentivizing less legitimate or regulated ways of afking

sly tiger
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instead of suggestion a idea that promotes actually playing the game

woven steeple
# sly tiger and i dont like it?

also then why are you even here? denying this suggestion dosent remove afk chamber and thats just a stupid belief to hold over a video game

woven steeple
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so why would i make a suggestion for people without the time to farm... to farm

sly tiger
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dont play a game

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if you dont have time to play the gmae

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i mean the entire fucking point of these games

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is to grind

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and get better to beat the harder stages

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thats like playing warframe

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and saying

woven steeple
sly tiger
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"omg add a afk chamber because i dont have time to play the game"

woven steeple
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it takes the unfun unnecessary part out

sly tiger
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if you find the grind unfun and unnecessary just play a regular td game atp

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cause the entire point of the game is gridning for better units and then using them to beat harder stages

woven steeple
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it literally just inflates game time and waste your time

woven steeple
sly tiger
woven steeple
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it is literally the worse part of this game and adds almost nothing
my suggestion isnt even to remove it tho. I just want to make it microscopically less time consuming

sly tiger
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yeah aight bro

sly tiger
woven steeple
north finch
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yall forgetting about portals giving 10 green stones per present

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also im back :P

woven steeple
woven steeple
north finch
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u sayin get em from chamber? yeah nah this aint sols

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afk chamber is already a stupid addition

north finch
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premium payout farm

sly tiger
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you literally keep rolling until you get the best possible farm

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stat*

woven steeple
woven steeple
# sly tiger stat*

your stats are something that sets your unit apart
its a form of customization same with traits and the pets i forgot the name of

woven steeple
sly tiger
north finch
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going off topic then telling others for going off topic

woven steeple
woven steeple
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and you clearly arent reading what i have to say so your just speaking to speak

north finch
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wait rq do u want green stones, legendary stones or rainbow stones added?

sly tiger
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wtf is legendary stones

woven steeple
sly tiger
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also the suggestion is basically a pointless addition

north finch
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the coloured ones

sly tiger
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8 GREEN stones an hour?

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it changes literally nothing

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sorry

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8 green storys every 8 hours*

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stones*

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holy why cant i speak

north finch
sly tiger
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he wanted 1 an hour

north finch
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oh

sly tiger
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i typed it wrong

north finch
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that just

woven steeple
# sly tiger 8 GREEN stones an hour?

with 8 green stones an hour if you only afk you can eveo a 40 green stone requirment unit in 5 days (not counting the colored stones)
its to minorly lighten the load

north finch
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sucks

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pointless

woven steeple
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its not ment to be a major thing just a minor assistance to people without a lot of time

woven steeple
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reading comprehension is more important than the words said

north finch
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i see

north finch
woven steeple
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you sleep 8 hours you get 8 stones

lets say you sleep 8 hours and work 8 hours thats 16 stones when you get home

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that half the green requirment for an evo

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not overpowered but enough to be helpful and lighten the grind a little

sly tiger
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so the suggestion

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is to add something to help new players

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who are

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"employed"

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get evoed units

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so why not add a quest that actually requires playing the game that helps newer players get their first few evoed units so that they can access the content that give essence stone rewards

woven steeple
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200 seems like alot but if you account for the colored they have to make its maybe 3 evos
which is what you said was needed to beat the saber raid and grind more

mental elbow
# woven steeple if you never played legend stages for essence stones you didnt play early update...

I have played since release, when the only way was challenges and ls -- I have always made my way through challenges and only evolved the necessary units, now that there is A LOT more ways to get essence stones I have completed my collection. Giving a rough estimation, I'm sure you can make 25 colored essence stones (of each color) and 75 green essences EVERY WEEK. (as a casual player ofc, if you try hard it doing winter portals all day you can max it out easily)
About "forcing others to join", do you realize tower defense games are meant to be cooperative games? So that's really not an excuse, I personally always look forward to play with others because its simply more fun.
About the giftboxes, 30% is a lot and giftboxes most times will drop green essences, which of course it's not guaranteed but it provides a solid way to get them while grinding for other stuff. I legit have +40 unopened giftboxes because I have max of every essence (and I dont even grind winter portals at all, I just join to help other randoms in the lobby/friends.)
About gold, it's the same, boss rush is the solution. 500k gold from Salter boss rush, and 100k for Igris and Sukuna boss rush its more than enough for most things.

versed quest
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which the average noobs can farm for

woven steeple
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Im tired of having this conversation how do i delete a suggestion

versed quest
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wait till you get the suggestion blacklist role

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then you won't ever create another one like this

woven steeple
mental elbow
woven steeple
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im just tired of dealing with people who cant read and dont even want to dicuss the premise

woven steeple
versed quest
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and you're on the list to get the role

woven steeple
versed quest
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but nobody here is on your side

woven steeple
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just because people disagree with something dosent mean its an offense to the rules

versed quest
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we all can agree you just want to promote afking even more because you're too lazy to grind throughout your way

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which is against the suggestion rules, no?

brave glen
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poster does not deserve suggestion blacklist

woven steeple
brave glen
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although most of us don't agree with his post its not like his intentions for the suggestion were bad

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🤷🏻

woven steeple
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thank you my guy

brave glen
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yall are way to quick to say "you dserve suggestion blacklist"

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blah blah blah

woven steeple
brave glen
woven steeple
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kinnda

brave glen
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im guessing not since ur rust role

woven steeple
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I took a break for like a month but ive been active since

brave glen
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and how he has a pissy attidude and stuff

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so its best not to interact with him to much

woven steeple
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gotcha👍

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Had me worried i could get in trouble

brave glen
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he just says that to everyone who he doesint agree with lol

woven steeple
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is there a way to delete this suggestion? im tired of these conversations

brave glen
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close post?

woven steeple
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or do i just mute it and go on with my life?

north finch
woven steeple
north finch
woven steeple
north finch
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because it shouldnt

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but thats not the point

woven steeple
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anyways I cant delete this so im done

north finch
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god

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you just cant grind

woven steeple
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you cant read

north finch
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expect everything to be handed to you

woven steeple
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you refuse to listen

north finch
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i can quite well

woven steeple
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and you refuse to stfu

north finch
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you cant organise your suggestion

woven steeple
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its like im banging my head into a goddamn wall

north finch
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ur acting like new players wanna 100% the game

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they dont

woven steeple
north finch
woven steeple
north finch
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ngl i think ur just too lazy to grind 💤

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dis aint about new players

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stop talkin about readin i cant cos ya deleted the message you dum dum

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cant read what isnt there

woven steeple
north finch
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actually did

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your skull thick or ur brain small?

woven steeple
north finch
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false

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explain again if you wish

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still havent explained it 🤫

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compare your own iq before others :)

woven steeple
north finch
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because ya still

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have

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t

north finch
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god

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idiot bro

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keep sayin i dont read the suggestion that you deleted

woven steeple
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blocked 🕊️

north finch
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wow ur weird 🤣

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tldr

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you want the thing

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but too lazy

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so u make suggestion

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wanting it to be easier

north finch
crisp lantern
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so he removed it

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ty lord

north finch
# crisp lantern ty lord

i may or may not have ragebaited him into it, but also his argument was they are too hard for new players but most dailies have bosses with 3k hp 😭 roku dark solos

frozen crystal
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Whoever made the original post, I agree

north finch
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lazy bum

frozen crystal
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Idrc about that i just think they are content that is simply boring and unnecessary

mild wedge