#Frieren Buffs and Changes

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west dagger
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Frieren feels extremely underwhelming compared to esdeath, and we need to change that, my thoughts on this is to make her an active-type economy based unit, but obviously can still do some damage if you need her to (damage is unchanged).
Passive Changes:

  • Frieren walks 2x quicker, she is insanely slow right now. (Literally 6 entire minutes to go from end to spawn).
  • Frieren now only spawns up to 5 chests but spawns them every 10 seconds (Takes 6.7 minutes to max instead of 10).
  • Frieren now only spawns chests in triple her range instead of the entire map (rn it works really badly in dungeons or any future multi-lane gamemodes). Once Frieren is upgrade 7 this gets reduced to only double her range (since its double her placement's range anyway).
  • If the collector of trinkets passive is maxed out, you have a 33% chance to get nothing with a 66% chance to get yen.
  • Frieren's 1000 yen from chests now gets buffed based on this equation:
frieren_chest_yen = RoundUp(1000*(1+((1+(trait_damage_buffs*1.5))*(1+(damage_multipliers)/2)-1)/3))

New Active:

  • Dedicated Journey (Unlocks at upgrade 7, price of 37,600 per frieren): Frieren removes all previous chests, spawns 15 new chests, and then walks uninterrupted and 3x faster(total of 6x faster than currently) than Wayward Journey from the start of the map to the end, giving maxed wayward-level rewards(with the new scaling) and being put at the end of the track when her journey is over, this ability has a 90 second local cooldown after she finishes walking the entire track.
    (Walking and collecting 10 chests takes almost the length of an entire 15 waves rn, with dedicated journey + the changes it would take around 1.5 to 2 minutes to complete, then an additional 90 second wait time.)
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Outcomes(per chest):
Base: 1,000
Base & Passives: 1,300
Base, Passives, & Exterminator: 1,717
3 Frierens Maxed Out Base: 5,151
With Ethereal: 1,100
Ethereal & Passives: 1,490
Etheral, Passives, & Exterminator: 2,032
3 Frierens Maxed Out Ethereal: 6,096
With Monarch: 2,500
Monarch & Passives: 4,150
Monarch, Passives, & Exterminator: 6,442
Maxed out Monarch and Passives with all the changes added, in 1 dedicated journey: 63,775

undone compass
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Js bcuz she's worse than another wordlines unit doesn't mean she shud be buffed

west dagger
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Shes not just worse, shes significantly worse.

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And buffing the amount of money she makes (still worse than other farm units), is a good way to make her more useful.

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we havent had a new farm unit in how long? this is a great chance to have a new one that is more active based than passive

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Paying 37.6k for a unit who gives back 1.5k per chest (with ethereal and maxed passives) she collects feels pretty reasonable to me, its not too op but not too weak, and with monarch shes actually a solid alternative to takaroda.

placid vine
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good suggestion overall my only gripe is the new proposed active ability

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i highly doubt devs would change her active ability

west dagger
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the first one stays the same

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the 2nd one is just if you want to put her on auto and forget about it lol

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for infinite or smth

placid vine
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🤷🏻

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idk i just don't see them adding/reworking her active ability

changes to her passives and mechanics seem plausable

west dagger
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i mean itd just be a quality of life thing at the end of the day

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even if all the other things besides that get added she'd still be a slightly worse but still solid replacement for takaroda if monarch

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if anything else though you probably just keep her unupgraded

west dagger
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B

lost moss
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glaze

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I hope you get suggestion blacklisted

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forever

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and get banned from this server

west dagger
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Explain how she isn't significantly worse than esdeath

lost moss
lost moss
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nice suggestion

west dagger
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Lol ty

lost moss
west dagger
lost moss
west dagger
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lmao

west dagger
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Bump

ionic hare
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cook

thorny void
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rather than allat she would be decent if she could collect other frieren's chests

west dagger
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bump

west dagger
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idk why shes Z+ rn

thorny void
west dagger
thorny void
west dagger
thorny void
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place 3 frierens 2 defend 1 collect for extra money

west dagger
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not with the way she is rn

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with my additions she would be a sub farm

thorny void
west dagger
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she walks so insanely slow and only has a 25% chance to get 1k per chest

thorny void
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aint it 33%

west dagger
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no...

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its 25% chance for nothing, 1k, dmg, or range? buffs

thorny void
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im pretty sure its 33 for nothing 33 for 1k 33 for dmg+range

west dagger
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no

thorny void
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well either way having 1 frieren collect al the chests and maybe increasing her walkspped is the easiest way to make her a sub farm

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what ur asking for is basically a rework

west dagger
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even then no

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she is still abysmally worse than the two other farm units

thorny void
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and i dont see them reworking an entire unit they just released

west dagger
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its just copy pasting her current ability but with minor changes

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and then instead of having the chests spawn anywhere on the track they just only spawn in her 3x range, which other units have other forms of this

thorny void
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u might as well call that a rework

west dagger
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ie: aizen and sokora's "attack" every second based on a percentage of their range

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nothing i suggested is unique

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all of it has been done in one way or another on someone else

thorny void
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her ability is new

west dagger
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its been done one way or another before

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a mix of the current chest spawn mechanic + summons

thorny void
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her chest locations would need to be constrained to a location that depends on the upgrade

west dagger
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this has literally been done in a way before

thorny void
west dagger
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how do u think the "enemies take x damage every second in 40% of this units range" mechanic works

west dagger
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so no, its not as a whole

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its majorly changing yes

thorny void
west dagger
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but thats what she needs

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rn she is Z tier at best

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as a worldline unit following esdeath thats disgraceful

thorny void
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not every unit needs to be a godly tier meta defining character.

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i think she needs a slight buff in her farming capabilities

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hence my suggestion

west dagger
thorny void
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ur just asking for an entire rework on how she works with a new ability

west dagger
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all of it has been done one way or another before

thorny void
west dagger
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its not an entire rework

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just a lot of changes

thorny void
west dagger
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reworks usually change 90% or more of a unit's stuff

thorny void
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re·work
/rēˈwərk/
verb
make changes to the original version of (something).

west dagger
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this only changes around 60-70%

grizzled yacht
thorny void
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uh no, it changes the majority of the character

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its a rework.

grizzled yacht
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ur suggestion is a rework

west dagger
thorny void
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its not even the same character atp

west dagger
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you're here when i just wake up and when im about to go to bed

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when do you sleep

west dagger
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"a unit who collects chests for buffs or money and can move around the map"

thorny void
west dagger
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im changing ONE passive

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of her two

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her 3rd "passive" is just her active

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and im not touching her first passive

thorny void
# west dagger im changing ONE passive

chest spawn limit changed
walkspeed changed
chest % changed thats based on upgrade (basically a new passive)
an entirely new ability
chest location changed based on upgrade (Basically a new passive)

west dagger
thorny void
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oh yeah that too

west dagger
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and chest location isnt based on upgrade

thorny void
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its a rework

west dagger
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its based on range

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two different things

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there are ways to buff range without upgrading the unit

thorny void
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Once Frieren is upgrade 7 this gets reduced to only double her range (since its double her placement's range anyway).

west dagger
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yea hey man thats still based on her range

thorny void
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its changed on her upgrades...

west dagger
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its to make it so its not 90 range and is instead back down to 60, which is what she starts with

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cuz 90 range is 3/4 of the map and for 5 chests thats crazy

thorny void
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therefore it changes with her upgrade.

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basically 2 new passives

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and a new ability

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thats a rework

gaunt hawk
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isnt this a rework

west dagger
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so no

grizzled yacht
west dagger
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2+2 will always equal 4 regardless of how many people think it equals 3

west dagger
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bump

acoustic cloud
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id say i like this change

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her journey ability is js really really bad atm

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she walks slower than the skeletons from yamamoto im pretty sure which is really sad

west dagger
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literally an entire run on most maps

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and its uncancelable too so if u misclick just no more frieren for the run for you

plain timber
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We def need this bro💔

lost moss
west dagger
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaa

west dagger
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bump

median dust
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they did frieren dirty fr but W on the suggestion tho

ionic hare
ionic hare
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frieren needs this ngl 💔

trail galleon
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i just hope they do anything this unit is unusable 😦