Add Soft Pity for future Vanguards/Secrets While Keeping them Rare

[dawn nacelle]

ok but how is that free handouts

yes?

[hidden apex]

Dawg the way you get vanguards in general promotes bottimg

[remote bear]

and he IS hard to get idk what you mean

[trail nova]

it's still difficult to get. The proposed chance is still significantly below 1% and caps at 0.010%. Do you not realize how rare that is statistically?

[main marten]

he’s not

[hidden apex]

It being a 1/20k promotes botting

[remote bear]

it really is

[tame jewel]

okay, do you think mon sjw is not that good?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMRGHjkvIk

[remote bear]

1/20k IS hard

[main marten]

it’s hard until you realize afk chamber gives 200k a day for doing nothing

if youre mad about a gacha game having one rare character you’ll have to work for don’t play it🤷‍♂️

[shadow marsh]

U legit halved the chance
From 1/20k to 1/10k
Thats a huge number bro

[hidden apex]

Arise is ass outside of inf

[remote bear]

again

i have

every

vanguard

[main marten]

no one said it’s directed to you

it’s a general message

[soft spear]

😭😭😭

[shadow marsh]

I think the main problem stems from afk chamber

[trail nova]

I agree. I want active play.

[shadow marsh]

Shits way too good for doing nothing

[remote bear]

well yeah

its bugged

[dawn nacelle]

i personally think deadeye sjw is better for actual difficult content, tourneys, boss rush, Inf Lb etc

but monarch is just to strong in modes with less then 20 waves

[soft spear]

U still get way more progression from portals

[remote bear]

its suppose to give you 3x less

[soft spear]

Boss rush.

But yes

[dawn nacelle]

boss rush tourney

[remote bear]

the rich literally getting richer by afking portals with 3 alts for a shit ton of presents and reroll:

[soft spear]

Deadeye is pretty solid

[hidden apex]

Boss rush tourney is still traits disabled

[soft spear]

Did u forget that it's traitless😭

[lavish chasm]

why not eth

[dawn nacelle]

wait

im dumb

[remote bear]

why is a traitless gamemode there

[dawn nacelle]

my apologies

LOL

IM SORRY

[tame jewel]

so do I spin for monarch on gogeta, or sjw?

[dawn nacelle]

I FORGOT

[lavish chasm]

sjw is the bst unit in the game

[soft spear]

His summons r not affected that much,only a 20% boost whereas deadeye if it crits is a 100% dmg increase

[trail nova]

u gud dw lel

[dawn nacelle]

lowkey gogeta, he gains so much more value from monarch then sjw

[hidden apex]

I can see for tourneys but sjw is a summoner I can't really see him get that much traction in tourneys (especially without an element)

[soft spear]

Yeaa just go for deadeye on sjw

[dawn nacelle]

aint he meta in the new tourney

[lavish chasm]

still they gain 300% on monarch

[lavish chasm]

hes meta for this tournament
hes amazing at wave skipping not sure whats this about

[hidden apex]

Haven't tried it yet but it's double nerf so it's not impossible

[soft spear]

Buddy u can use his all his nuke at the Sametime if ur not monarch,which is ideal for the last second of the tournaments.

[hidden apex]

As in like

Each sjw does a different nuke?

[soft spear]

Yea

[dawn nacelle]

something about nukes and summons spawncamping really good

[soft spear]

And thr summons don't stop

Due to the amount of enemies

[hidden apex]

Idk how important the burst is but that's one fourth of the damage monarch would do

[lavish chasm]

i still think monarch is better for tournaments

[soft spear]

Last tournament the summons literally soloed the boss

[hidden apex]

Ik summons wouldn't stop but it's single target

[dawn nacelle]

well you can do 3 instances of the burst instead of one strong one which would be better for the tourney

[soft spear]

Of it crits,it's a 150% dmg buff,on 3 nukes ntw

[hidden apex]

Yama does kinda ass in damage Tourneys even tho he basically spawncamps

[lavish chasm]

sjw has high dps along with spawn camping

• 3 nukes

[hidden apex]

Idk the enemies are infinite

[lavish chasm]

also not like hes the only unit ur gonna bring

[hidden apex]

I don't think mana is the issue

More of the wait time

[tame jewel]

it isnt

assist count towards mana

which lowkey mkes deadeye the better option

[soft spear]

Yea...

[hidden apex]

Ik

[tame jewel]

but it all depends on tourney

[soft spear]

Even in later meta

[tame jewel]

which trait has more value? monarch or deaeye

[soft spear]

When enemy scaling is high

[lavish chasm]

monarch

[tame jewel]

tourney wise

[soft spear]

Tourney wise deadeye for sure.

[dawn nacelle]

deadeye

[trail nova]

deadeye for tourney imo

[lavish chasm]

id use the money for other units with a monarch over deadeye

[hidden apex]

Ye deadeye for tourney

[dawn nacelle]

moneys not really a problem in most tournies

[hidden apex]

I was js talking about if he'd actually get used consistently in tourneys to begin with

[soft spear]

U don't even need to upgrade him place him,do the arise and ur all set and u can focus on other units to kill the enemies

[lavish chasm]

yeah in the later waves

[soft spear]

U can upgrade to his 3rd attack which is the very large cone

[dawn nacelle]

personally never struggled with money in the later waves

[soft spear]

And ur gonna have inf summons

[lavish chasm]

i mean u have money in the later waves in the early waves its an issue especially for wave skipping

[dawn nacelle]

🤔

ig

[soft spear]

Summons which do 1/10th of ALL the enemies,when it crits it's like 30% of the enemies hp

[soft spear]

U can't wave skip with sjw.

He takes 2 seconds to perform the attack

His placement animation

U need extreme accuracy to do so

And last tourney as an example,monarch was a nerf in traits lb

[hidden apex]

Crits with deadeye is a 75% increase bro

[soft spear]

Deadeye makes it 125%

[hidden apex]

Base cdmg is 25%

[soft spear]

It's 75% without deadeye

No?

[hidden apex]

Yes

[soft spear]

No?

[hidden apex]

Go test it out

[soft spear]

It varies from 50-100%

[dawn nacelle]

its 80% with deadeye no?

[tame jewel]

It might
#1350489697427787877 message
Scaling going get fixed soon

[hidden apex]

???

[tame jewel]

for tourney

[dawn nacelle]

i thought crit dmg for all units was 25%

[hidden apex]

Yes

Deadeye gives 50% cdmg

[dawn nacelle]

and its +55% from deadeye

oh

oops

[hidden apex]

Get an unbound unit in sandbox and wait for them to crit

[dawn nacelle]

it BETTER get fixed dawg

[hidden apex]

And do the math from there

Its 25%

[neat canyon]

fuck no

[soft spear]

Well ok,still the 75% is better than no boost from monarch

[hidden apex]

Yeah obv

[soft spear]

And his 2nd passive

Makes use of his dmg from dead enemies

[hidden apex]

His 2nd passive is js ass

[soft spear]

I means summons

[soft spear]

Possible 50% extra dmg to ur nuke btw

[hidden apex]

I think it only increases for his own dead summons

[soft spear]

It cud be 10-15%

[neat canyon]

it sound so rude sorry

[hidden apex]

More realistic ye

[soft spear]

Still better than no buff from monarch,which CAN add up when u use all 3 nukes at the same time at the last second

And sjw can never get powercrept

Due to his arise summons

[hidden apex]

I mean he'd get powercrept

[soft spear]

So id say it's better u give more emphasis on his arise summons with desdeye than monarch

[hidden apex]

Cuz arise summons aren't good in progressive lol

Even if it scales with new enemy hp it would still be bad

[soft spear]

It's very good boss killer tho

[hidden apex]

It would js kill sjw as a whole

[soft spear]

U have constantly have 36 shadows

Whos gonna crash,and u can focus on other units to get the kills

[hidden apex]

You can't really stock up the shadows like you do with yama

[soft spear]

Yea yama is based on kills tho.mm

[hidden apex]

SJW is too

[soft spear]

Later meta he's ought to be tough to set up with

[soft spear]

His arise is based on assist.

[hidden apex]

Well it's with takedowns from whatever but both rely on enemies getting killed

[soft spear]

U can place him

Get the new unit to do the killing

And u constantly have something dealing almost 1/5th of the enemies dmg if crits

[hidden apex]

Also lowk you can just use new units atp

[soft spear]

U can that much value out of 5.1k tho....

[hidden apex]

Like if powercreep hits so hard sjw's kit is that worthless to a point arise is his best option outside of super long wave content

Id say js switch off

[soft spear]

And ur gonna use his summons in later meta inf runs aswll

[soft spear]

U have enemies with 100 mil hp in inf

His shadows do 10 mil + crit

[hidden apex]

Noone does inf bro I alr said this

[soft spear]

Why wudnt u want it

[soft spear]

Endgame players do.

[hidden apex]

I know like 10 people by chance who does worldline LB I know none who does inf Lb

[soft spear]

U can literally check the leaderboards😭

U rlly think casual players can reach wave 300

[tame jewel]

with trading comin up

im sure a lot of people does it

[thorny zealot]

?

[main marten]

then you don’t know a lot of people

so many people do inf

[remote bear]

alot of people do inf

but not inf lb

[soft spear]

Still for the ones who do..

[main marten]

a lot do

[soft spear]

Ye it's one way of getting seban so....

[tame jewel]

rage bait

760+ members in the lb server

[trail nova]

📌 Before Replying: Read This
With over 2k messages at the time of typing, This thread has already addressed several arguments against soft pity, so to keep things novel, please check if your counterpoint looks like this. If it does, we've already responded to it.

1. "You Just Want The Game to Be Easy" (Straw- Man)
   Soft pity doesn't make things easy- it just makes effort more rewarding. Next.

2. "RNG is part of the game. You can't remove RNG." (False Equivalence)
   We aren't removing RNG, just mitigating extreme outlier cases where effort gets ignored.

3. "I got lucky, so the system is fine." (Survivorship Bias)
   Your luck ≠ a fair system for everyone. Many players grind for millions of presents and get nothing.

4. "Soft pity would ruin trading value." (Appeal to market Value).
   Game Balance should prioritize player enjoyment over speculative trade markets.

5. "You just want this because you're unlucky." (Ad Hominem)
   This attacks me, not my argument. Even if I were unlucky (i'm not), that wouldn't change the fact that the current system punishes effort while rewarding pure randomness.

6. "If we add soft pity, then what's next? Might as well hand out free units!" (Slippery slope)
   Soft pity is a minor tweak to prevent extreme bad luck. It doesn't mean that all challenge, rarity, and difficulty disappears -_-

7. "Trading is coming, and soft pity would ruin unit value. (Appeal to Value)
   Game Design should prioritize player experience over artificial scarcity. This isn't an economy simulator-it's a game.

8. "L Suggestion/Terrible Suggestion" (Skimming/Low effort reply)
   You didn't read the suggestion thoroughly nor did you engage with it, leaving behind nothing constructive in your wake. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say it at all.

This post isn’t meant to attack anyone-it’s just to keep us from going in circles. If you have a new argument that hasn’t been addressed, feel free to bring it up.

[trail nova]

@dawn nacelle @thorny zealot @hidden apex I've made a faq based on the stuff we've encountered so far, feel free to refer new faces to it in the event i'm not around

and with that, i'm going to bed :v

(Link to Suggestion if you can't scroll)

[fleet garnet]

you forgot my argument of being unfair towards people who already dedicated dozens of hours grinding for gogeta 😢

[trail nova]

Ran out of room 😭 s o z
Your argument is the only valid one in a sea of slop tho, so to that I say my suggestion will only apply to future vanguards, post gogeta's banner 👍

[main marten]

they already stated on stage they will never give vanguards a pity or soft pity

[trail nova]

Please direct me to the logs

[main marten]

maybe this’ll change their mind idk

[main marten]

wdym

[trail nova]

There's always hope 😔

[trail nova]

I wonder if there's a log of the livestage

[main marten]

oh

[trail nova]

I can probably read that

[main marten]

don’t got it

[trail nova]

0of, it's ok

[main marten]

just remember them denying the question and responding with “do you guys want everything to have pity?”

[trail nova]

Damn. since I wasn't there for the livestage, that sentiment is good to know. They've probably dealt with many low-effort "pity" suggestions in the past, and my brief conversation with seil showed that they talked about it internally...but I don't think they've reached a definitive answer yet, probably heavy skepticism.

[broken edge]

the pity isn't even that serious though

that's what makes the suggestion good

as Savage said "It makes the grind worth it"

IT REALLY DOES

[trail nova]

Right, i'm not asking for people to get gogeta in 1 clear

[main marten]

yeah after reading this is the best suggestion of a pity I’ve seen

[broken edge]

imagine playing a couple of runs and u FINALLY GET THAT "+00.1 extra %"

You might be delusional

[main marten]

everyone else just wants the unit to straight up gifted at a certain point

[broken edge]

but that would be a great blessing for u

[trail nova]

I'm crying rn

YOu finally

understand

what I'm asking for

[broken edge]

🔥

[main marten]

sadly don’t think this is gonna go through

they’re so set and stone on how vanguards are supposed to be rare

[broken edge]

oh we had a live stage, how was it?

were the questions just generic 💔

[main marten]

we can re bring up the question this upcoming stage

🤷‍♂️

[trail nova]

I'd love to try, you never know :>

[trail nova]

alr imma go to bed for real this time, refreshing the faq.

gn you guys

[trail nova]

~~unfortunately I didn't see those either 💔 ~~

[broken edge]

💔

[dawn nacelle]

Honestly I don’t even remember much from the last stage

I don’t think anything to important was asked

And i kinda joined late

• theres no vods

[broken edge]

💔

[broken edge]

sigh

Really thought this stage people would ask some serious questions 😭

[dawn nacelle]

It was kinda forgettable

1st 2 stages were actually productive

Now most of the questions get filtered by mods and what not

Very unorganized but better then no communication ig

[solid eagle]

I agree with this post at least a soft pity would be great

[acoustic jackal]

sjw isnt rare

[main marten]

event vanguards

[honest surge]

it literally does make the game easy? ur telling me making gogeta go from 1/20k to 1/4k is not gonna make it easier for him to obtain?

ur idea of making it "Rewarding" is making the grind easier and u dont want to admit that

like they is way more ways u can make it "rewarding" without making him easier to obtain

[fiery lichen]

why 1/20k to 1/4k?

[honest surge]

actualy 1/20k to 1/10k before its was 1/20k to 1/4k

which is still gonna make him easier to obtain

i could debunk everything he just said but this shits already been declined as of rn and me staying here is making me look dumb

[fiery lichen]

how do you know that a suggestion is declined?

[main marten]

it makes it easier

not easy

there a difference

[honest surge]

just go to this message right here and scroll down

[honest surge]

agree to disagree wont change the fact its going to make gogeta easier to obtain cuz ppl dont wanna grind under this conditions

[main marten]

its not that im saying its gonna be added

i just dont think its the dumbest thing ever

i know their thoughts on pity

[honest surge]

How is it dumb tho? It's js lazy ppl want this to come cuz they don't wanna grind for rogita under his current conditions and are saying lowering his pity will give them more incentive to grind and to that I say don't wanna grind then don't

Cuz even though we add soft pity ppl are still gonna complain he's "to rare" etc that bs and are gonna ask to lower it even more cuz they can't get him and don't wanna grind under this conditions

[main marten]

why is 1/20k ----> 1/10k after spending 4m presents stupid

[honest surge]

Did I say it was stupid please tell me where I said that?

[main marten]

you said lazy ppl want it

hows it lazy

you have to grind 4m for the soft pity to take effect in the first place

[honest surge]

Because u guys don't wanna grind for the current conditions of rogita and yall want him to be more common so u don't have to waste lots of time grinding for him which is js laziness

[main marten]

its employment

and pls read i already said for the soft pity to work u already need to farm 3m+ presents

[honest surge]

And? His still going to be easier to obtain cuz u need to grind less presents cuz of soft pity

And yall don't wanna grind the set amount of presents and want it tobr lowered cuz tall are lazy to grind that amount

[main marten]

yeah u dont have a brain

i dont know why i even try with some players

[torn berry]

you're still grinding well above the average amount needed to get gogeta, the soft pity just ensures there's some sort of payoff for not being so lucky

[honest surge]

yup proceedding to insults cuz u dont got any more points i win js ike that

[torn berry]

im not sure why you consider it lazy

[main marten]

he just responds with and then repeats his dumb debunked point

[main marten]

ur a brick wall

[honest surge]

ok?

just dont cry cuz i dont agree with ur point and u cant counter my point tho imma also block u to save my braincells rq

[main marten]

not crying

u just dont know how to respond

so u repeat ur point 10000 times

[honest surge]

3 blocked messages crazy work

[main marten]

i really dont care

[honest surge]

i mean at then end of the day rng decides it all no mattter how u want to see it
soft pity is gonna make him easier to obtain

[main marten]

lil bro pulled out the "3 blocked messages" like i give a shit

😭

[honest surge]

and yall dont wanna accept whats true

[main marten]

yeah this makes sense nvm

[fiery lichen]

how much did you spend to get gogeta

[honest surge]

i dont got him

[fiery lichen]

how much have you spend?

[broken edge]

"It's not something I AM interested in"
impplies that just because Seil isn't interested in the concept [despite not reading though it] doesn't mean this isn't to be considered

[fiery lichen]

rough estimation

[broken edge]

don't know why u had to bring that up

[torn berry]

it's only making him easier to obtain after grinding 3m+ presents which is about the average needed to get him

[honest surge]

prob 3 mil at max on a friends account dont even play th game that much
but doesent mean i cant get him means the pity shoulld be lowered

[main marten]

talking to this

[honest surge]

yup my point is soft pity is gonna make him easier to obtain and dont plan on going further than that since u understand

[broken edge]

that's the whole point, who is disagreeing with this statement?

atleast it makes it more rewarding in the process of grinding

giving the players false hope, but will keep the unlucky players grinding

[torn berry]

the goal of this suggestion is to provide a safety net for the unlucky mfs who go above 3m presents

[honest surge]

i said it has been declined as of rn not something thats not getting considered

why do ppl just like twisting my words?

[soft spear]

Look the point of vanguard units is to be rare. Making them less rarer is no good.

[honest surge]

the dude i js blocked

[soft spear]

Ur ruining the rarity if these vanguard units js bcuz u want them which is crazy

[broken edge]

he hasn't read the suggestion, he just assumes it's "7M presents = free gogeta"

[broken edge]

deserved 💔

I can agree on that fact ig

if u disagree that it makes the grinding easier ur delusional

[main marten]

he ironically says stop twisting my words then twists mine

[honest surge]

i mean im not even trying to argue only thing im saying its gonna make it easier to obtain? and i feel its kind of lazy bcuz ppl dont want to grind for him under his current conditions so they want it easier so they dont waste alot more time

thats the only thing i have being trying to say

while whoever this dude i js blocked started saying bs and making a whole jjba plot for no reasons

[torn berry]

how is it lazy though? Is getting to 3 million presents not proof of "hard work" as you would call it?

[main marten]

i said hows it lazy if you have to hit the average amount to get gogeta which is 3m presents and he got angry

i never spoke on it not making it easier

he just doesnt have a brain

[torn berry]

i genuinely don't understand this thought process

[broken edge]

wait what 💔

[soft spear]

Buddy everyone in the game can grind,and making these units obtainable from a grind is not making these units rare. Vanguard units should be rare,and not fodder u can get from 30 hours of grinding.

[main marten]

he said i never said the grind is easier

all i said was to reach the soft pity you have to reach 3m presents spent

so how are they lazy

[honest surge]

im not sure what the avr amount is but lets assume its 1/20k
if its 1/20k and u need 8 mill
and if it becomes 1/10k its gonna be 4 mil after u get soft pity
and ppl want this cuz they dont wanna spend that much time grinding for gogeta up to 8 mil
so instead 4 mil will be less time

[soft spear]

Why is he talking like ur getting gogeta after a det amount lmao

[main marten]

so we're just talking out our ass

1/20k is not equal to 8m presents

😭 🙏

[soft spear]

1/20k averages 3 mil

[torn berry]

have other ATDs rotted your brain to the point where you consider 30 hours of grind insufficient 💔

[honest surge]

i mean idk i dont play the game that much only play it on my friends account that has like 7 monarchs

[main marten]

are we deadass

[broken edge]

Ohh so u never mentioned that after the 3m presents its easier?

the plot twists 😭

I'm lost now

[main marten]

all i talked about was that his argument that this suggestion is lazy cant work cause for the soft pity you need to spend 3m presents to begin with

idk where he got i said it wasnt easier from

[torn berry]

why would he have to mention it? it's implied no?

[soft spear]

That's the point. Making units grindable would just ruin the rarity of vanguard units. And 30 hours of grinding is nothing in a game like avg where u can js leech/mango

So the least they can do is make it gacha like

[main marten]

the whole issue is that u can get presents from afk chamber

[soft spear]

That's fine,u get x3 the present if u Mango it anyways

[main marten]

i meant with this suggestion

not in general

only way i see soft pity working is if they remove the vanguard currency from afk chamber

[soft spear]

Like vanguard units are meant to be rare. And when u want these unit to be less rarer, why even bother giving it the vanguard rarity?

[broken edge]

damn tis is getting real now

Will have to wait till Lunge defends himself

[main marten]

im so bored

[broken edge]

so far it seems lucky is misunderstood

[broken edge]

Same, why do u think I'm making a whole scene out of this 💔

[broken edge]

top 10 units

[thorny zealot]

no

[broken edge]

Ok top 5 units that need to be added into AV list

[thorny zealot]

no

[supple wave]

Vanguard units are so much better than any other unit and cuz game isn't balanced around them its just too easy

[thorny zealot]

Just because they're easier to get than before doesnt mean they're not rare anymore

They're still rare

Just not as rare

[thorny zealot]

💔

[sharp rock]

Sjw as a free vanguard literally would make the game scaled to vanguard units power, just saying

[supple wave]

The problem is that he didn't

[soft spear]

1. Vanguard units are meant to be rare. Not effort based 💔
2. Ur making getting these units easier, for what the actual rarity is supposed to be, the soft pity can easily be mangoed to,ultimately resulting in the ruining of it's rarity.
3. That is what the system is supposed to be. Not everything is meant to be fair,it's should contain some uncertainty
4. Mhmm units which are supposed to be rare should be made easy to get so that there is no point in trading in avg is good.
5. There r TONNES of unit can u get with effort. There needs to be some system which should divert away from these effort based units.
6. The challenge is made CONSIDERABLY easier,and at that point,what's the point of these vanguard units??
7. Economy is a part of the game. Completely focusing on player experience would ruin the point of trading.
8. 🤷

[broken edge]

ok sir since ik ur interested my list is

• Cid Kagenou [Deserved a tier of his own because he's just too majestic]
• Anos Voldigoad [same exact reason as Cid] [Vanguard]
• Sinbad [Same exact reason [Secret]
• Truck- kun [Vanguard]
• Escanor [Deserves he's own rarity]
  -extra note: Saber should be heavily nerfed due to the fact she came before Satler released

🔥

🔥

🔥 🔥 🔥

[soft spear]

Yes the fact that they are good is a good enough incentive for u to grind them. Would u rlly grind for a unit which is like mechamaru and does no dmg??

[thorny zealot]

goku, Vegeta, Gohan, buu, vegito

[broken edge]

GLAZEEE

DBZ glaze

[broken edge]

all respect gone

💔

[thorny zealot]

not a single dbz upd in months

[supple wave]

Gogeta is legit shit without monarch so ig yeah?

[thorny zealot]

???

Hes good without monarch

Never cook again

[supple wave]

No

[thorny zealot]

💔

[thorny zealot]

Yes

[broken edge]

We got Rare Goku

[thorny zealot]

How is he bad without monarch

[soft spear]

Buddy😭😭dint u literally say moments ago that these units are broken and now u call them shit??

[thorny zealot]

rare goku

[supple wave]

Gogeta is only shitty one

[broken edge]

We got Legendary Goku Black

[sharp rock]

A blitz gogeta deals the same dmg as my monarch frieren buddy

[thorny zealot]

How is he bad without monarch

explain

[broken edge]

He's really busted man execution is execution

[supple wave]

Too expensive to max

[thorny zealot]

Thats not Goku 💔

[supple wave]

Its just waste getting to the cone

[soft spear]

😭😭he's solid without monarch bcuz of his ability. And with monarch he's frikin busted

And he will be tradable later on

[broken edge]

Ok then what about Goku skin

isn't that mythic rarity 🔥

[supple wave]

Just bring todo at this point and use him with viable units

[broken edge]

wait am I slow

[soft spear]

Would u trade for fodder like emmie or rare units like gogeta

[broken edge]

JASIS

[supple wave]

All those units won't have value

[sharp rock]

Todo in 2025 💔

[supple wave]

Gogeta is dead due to afk rewards

[soft spear]

U can't tp around the map. And u NEEED gogeta for worldlines lb,he's very good competitively with monarch which is ENOUGH incentive to get him

[supple wave]

I would use uryu instead at this point

[supple wave]

And worldlines lb is 32 players

[sharp rock]

Uryu 💔

[thorny zealot]

This is Gogeta without his first pasive at the same cost as a fully maxed saber with all of her passives. Gogeta's aoe is slightly bigger as well. Saber only wins due to Excalibur but Gogeta has inf range so it doesnt really matter.
You dont need to max Gogeta and even if you do he's still pretty good for the price

[soft spear]

Yea a 1/20k as u say isn't gonna have that much value. Imagine it's situation in the economy of it's made 1/10k bcuz of this soft pity

[main marten]

• Vanguards will be still be rare, you can just trim down the chances with a bit of effort
• Anything can be mangoed in this game that argument is pointless
• Once again its still 1/10k after spending a week straight in portals
• For the third time this doesnt make them easy, it makes it easier 💔
• For the fourth time it is STILL 1/10K after spending a WEEK straight in portals
• The challenge is made easier so people with jobs can have these overpowered units cause lets be honest if u dont have these u cant do anything
• Player experience all around is more important than one section of the game

[supple wave]

Saber is shit

[supple wave]

Never understood her hype

[thorny zealot]

Well doesnt matter

Same goes for literally every unit except like 5

Actually lower

Nvm

[sharp rock]

Yall be talking abt 1/10k and i still havent gotten 1/100 ragna 💔

[broken edge]

alwyas comparing Saber 💔 ur not wrong though :c

[thorny zealot]

2. Anything that gets added into the game can be mangoed, that's not a valid reason to not add a nice qol mechanic like this

[thorny zealot]

💔

[broken edge]

damn. we can go list 4 list 🗣️ 🔥

[thorny zealot]

Not a single valid argument wtf is this guy saying 💔

[supple wave]

Soloed last worldlines on alt with uryu and chu

With no farms mostly

[torn berry]

bro responded with literally every single fallacy the person listed in the FAQ

[thorny zealot]

Lol

[torn berry]

if you don't understand the concept now you probably won't ever understand it so agree to disagree atp

[thorny zealot]

he got converted

[main marten]

hes still typing

[thorny zealot]

💔

[broken edge]

Guys who is the best starter unit when starting off

oh ok

oh ok

[thorny zealot]

Vegeta cuz u get it for free

[broken edge]

the best rare unit*

[main marten]

wdym

[thorny zealot]

Obviously goku

[broken edge]

I cry when I see CC's pick Ichigo over Goku

[thorny zealot]

Yesterday you disagreed with the suggestion and said it wasnt good

[broken edge]

the glaze is real 💔

doesn't impact the game much though

but still

[thorny zealot]

[main marten]

said it wasnt good and saw other peoples idea of pities

hurt my brain so much

[broken edge]

got let into the light 🔥

[supple wave]

1:1 pity makes units like 50% less rare

[torn berry]

this suggestion is much more coherent and well thought out compared to previous ones

[thorny zealot]

[main marten]

hes still typign

im cooked

[soft spear]

1. 1/20k - 1/10k IS MAKING IT TOO EASY
2. Yes. With the current system,the mangoed isn't as rewarding as it is rn. Ur efforts r undervalued due to the fact the 80% of avg is Mango based. And making it easier for 20% is making it WAYYYYYY easier for 80% of avg at that point what's the need of vanguard rarity
3. 3 million is literally 18 hours of Mango
4. Yes and for the 1000th time,these units r meant to be rare,and making these units leas rarer is a disgrace to the rarity
5. 18 hours of Mango
   6.U have an incentive to grind for these units bcuz they are overpowered. What's the point if making it easier, when ur already gonna grind for it
6. Vanguard units ARE meant to be rare. Ruining the core mechanics for player experience is not ideal.

[broken edge]

damn

ohoh

[main marten]

it took this long to type allat

[soft spear]

I went afk lol

[broken edge]

wait what

in what world is 1/10k easy

[main marten]

i dont feel like typing

[broken edge]

WHAT 💔

[main marten]

[thorny zealot]

1. Wrong, it's 1/10k lmao if you think thats "easy" get your ass back to aa

[soft spear]

EASIER

[broken edge]

WHAT THE FUCK

💔

[soft spear]

Omg

[broken edge]

Eng lisg key

is

english is key

[soft spear]

EASIER.

U have 3 months

[thorny zealot]

4. They're still rare

for like the 7th time

[soft spear]

Except they r not

1/10k is WAYYYYYY EAS

[thorny zealot]

Nope

[soft spear]

Ier

[thorny zealot]

Yeah ur trolling

Thats agaisnt the rules

[broken edge]

isn;t 4 and 7 the same idea

[supple wave]

Playing with alts makes getting vanguard 2x+ faster

[soft spear]

It's way easier than 1/20k.

[thorny zealot]

U don't even get XP from here 😭

[broken edge]

did u just add more numbers to make it like u have more points

💔

[soft spear]

Nah there is no convincing yall😭😭ryt after they declined it

Why am I even here

[broken edge]

where did "they" decline it

seil didnt even read the suggestion

he straight up avoided it

[honest surge]

exactly over here is just making ur self look dumb tbh its alr been declined as of rn

[thorny zealot]

But it's a good suggestion

Doesnt matter

[torn berry]

bro is really clinging onto the statement seil made without understanding what it means

[broken edge]

ok explain mate

and dont assume things that arent true

[torn berry]

no I'm not talking about you

[broken edge]

oh fuck I'm slw

mb 💔

[torn berry]

all good

[thorny zealot]

says this is a bad suggestion -> gets proven wrong -> refuses to accept he's wrong -> fucking leaves 💔

[pliant dock]

[main marten]

• 1/10k is NOT easy
• Vanguard rarity is still rare even with mangoes
• This is so wrong i dont even know how to respond to it, 3000 every 8 minutes on average. 60/8 = 7.5 x 24 = 180, 180 x 3000 = 540,000 x 6 = 3,240,000, 6 days.
• Meant to be rare i dont know why you think 1/10k isnt rare
• 6 days of mango
• You have an incentive to grind but earn nothing if you hit 3m and get nothing, why not add a small soft pity to combat that
• How is 1/20k to 1/10k for 6 straight days of grinding ruining a core mechanic?

[thorny zealot]

?

[honest surge]

seil alr said he/she had their argument with the devs and it didnt go thru and assuming that means the devs stil dont got any plans to add this

[soft spear]

Any kind of pity for vanguard units were declined in a stage

[pliant dock]

I just like doing

[supple wave]

He will say it will ruin trading or some shit

[thorny zealot]

[honest surge]

not really they brushed it off

[main marten]

the dumbest argument is saying 3 million presents is 18 hours of mango

wheres the math there...

[broken edge]

LIST 4 LIST 🗣️ 🔥

[pliant dock]

[supple wave]

Maybe he meant alt farming

[main marten]

i even wrote out calculations for bro 🗣️ 🔥

[broken edge]

I didn't even realize this 💔

[thorny zealot]

You said you'd leave 💔

[honest surge]

they didnt give yes/no just gave sth like "so huh? we giving everything pity now?" and they moved on to the next

[soft spear]

Take the hint 😭😭

[thorny zealot]

[broken edge]

JOH

no embed perms

stupid low ranks 💔 [me]

[honest surge]

lets say im not really mentally fast

[supple wave]

Weren't they talking about not wanting to add 100% pity

[main marten]

youd need 6 alts

[broken edge]

DId nobody record the stage 💔

[honest surge]

no someone did

[broken edge]

and apparntly there wern't any VODS either

WHEREE

[honest surge]

on a stream

[supple wave]

50 accs farming in afk chamber or some shit

[broken edge]

Because anyone can be lying at this point

[main marten]

so he ruins his own argument

[honest surge]

lemme see if i can find it

[main marten]

😭

[pliant dock]

Wasn't uploaded cus of complications with uploading

[main marten]

do u enjoy that emoji

[pliant dock]

yes

[hidden apex]

the 18 hour statement is just

proudly wrong

what r you even talking about

[pliant dock]

how does one come to that conclusion in the first place

[soft spear]

Alright my bad,it is not 18 hours but the point still stands.

[hidden apex]

it doesn't

[soft spear]

It's mangoed

[hidden apex]

lol

[main marten]

no it doesn’t😭

[hidden apex]

youre way fucking off

[soft spear]

Mango.

[thorny zealot]

It doesnt

💔💔

[soft spear]

Mango is all there is to it

[pliant dock]

https://tenor.com/view/basketball-fail-miss-funny-gif-5296361

[hidden apex]

the point of all time

[main marten]

the point is the time taken

being 6x short

does NOT stand

[fiery lichen]

like johnny joestar

[soft spear]

Ur rewarding players with an easier chance based on mango❤️ that should say smthin

[main marten]

ever thought not everyone buys a mango?

[soft spear]

U have 12+ weeks to grind a unit

[soft spear]

There r free ones in circulation tho?

And leeching is a thing

[main marten]

6 straight days of farming

[soft spear]

Inactive farming.

Ur not even playing the game

Yet the game just hands everything over to u

Andu want even more

[main marten]

ur just going off the assumption everyone mangoes

that isn’t how it works

[soft spear]

😭

[thorny zealot]

Not everyone's able to just mango everything for weeks

[soft spear]

80% of avg does?

😭

[main marten]

not winter portals

“if I do something everyone does it” is your logic

[hidden apex]

why are you hating on this suggestion

hate on the obtainment method of the currency

[soft spear]

Bro who doesn't Mango avg😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

It's majority

[hidden apex]

youre targeting the wrong side lol

[fiery lichen]

ios player

[main marten]

mobile players

[soft spear]

😭😭😭 that's like 20% of the player base

[thorny zealot]

You can but it's not a good idea to mango for several hours straight

[soft spear]

80% of the avg base mangoes.

[thorny zealot]

Whered u get these numbers from

[hidden apex]

bro this means nothing

all of the playerbase can mango

[soft spear]

😭😭why do u think they devs care abt mango so much??

[hidden apex]

does that mean we should make everything impossible to get or smth

[thorny zealot]

Please answer my question

[soft spear]

No but they can make it uncertain.

[supple wave]

Should be impossible to get so only people who mango get it

[hidden apex]

true!

people who will mango will get the thing it's not the fault of the drop chance

[soft spear]

U can grind as much as the mangoers and get it

[hidden apex]

if you're that butthurt about mangos then make the drop 1/400k

[hidden apex]

no lmao do you not have basic human needs

[supple wave]

Noone with right mind will grind that much

[soft spear]

20k is fine.

[supple wave]

Roblox slavery at its finest

[thorny zealot]

lol

[soft spear]

Afk chamber when u can't grind,portals when u can

Vanguard units r meant for endgame players

[supple wave]

Become a slave for the game so player count goes up

[soft spear]

It should not be that easy for average players

[supple wave]

Play only roblox

[broken edge]

ohoho

[main marten]

dude

[supple wave]

Play only av

[main marten]

how many times do we have to say

[broken edge]

this is still going on?

[main marten]

1/10k

isn’t easy

[thorny zealot]

Unfortunately yes

[hidden apex]

idk bro

[thorny zealot]

He's probably trolling

[soft spear]

Easier than 1/20k.

[main marten]

im still bored

[broken edge]

what the fuck 💔

[thorny zealot]

You can't be this braindead

[broken edge]

new people joined too :c

[soft spear]

😭

[broken edge]

new person*

[thorny zealot]

Correct

But it's still rare

[main marten]

I don’t care that much about this suggestion im just insanely bored💔

[hidden apex]

hop on uhh

pressure

[soft spear]

Except it's not

Yay let's not have any valuable and rare units in this game🥳🥳

[thorny zealot]

If vanguards were 1/40k instead of 1/20k and they lowered the chances to 1/20k that wouldnt make them easy to get

They're easier

Not easy

[main marten]

how is 1/10k not rare

[supple wave]

That's the problem of having high player count game

Nothing will be rare

[main marten]

please enlighten us with your supreme knowledge

[hidden apex]

bro you literally said you like vanguard rarity because of seeing people be more miserable than you

[supple wave]

Even aizen in aa ain't that rare

[soft spear]

Easier than 1/20k,and for the amount of summons u get that's alot.

[main marten]

you said not rare

not it’s easier

[hidden apex]

half the reason why you like the rarity is seeing people not get the drop that you get

[main marten]

explain how it’s not rare

[soft spear]

As in it's not rarer than 1/20k

[hidden apex]

make it 1/100k

hurts mango users!

[main marten]

no one is arguing 1/10k isn’t less than 1/20k

that is the whole point

😭

[thorny zealot]

Yall stop arguing with him

He's js trolling

💔

[soft spear]

Yea😭 ur making a unit which is supposed to be to point where it is actually hard to get. 1/10k is not as much as it's base rarity. And u get like alot of summons,a x2 in that is wayy too overpowered

[fiery lichen]

isn’t soft pity something you get if your unlucky

[thorny zealot]

If vanguards were 1/40k instead of 1/20k would that make 1/20k easy?

[main marten]

soft pity is a net that makes sure you don’t grind and get rewarded with nothing

hard pity is you just get it at a certain point

[broken edge]

yay it stopped

🔥

did Dawg give up?

[tidal berry]

I did for 30😔

[thorny zealot]

@next nexus whyd u L the suggestion

[river heart]

Because this should and wont ever get added

[next nexus]

I dont like the idea to make Vanguards easier in any way

[broken edge]

The actual unit rarity or the game

[next nexus]

The unit rarity ofc

[broken edge]

Just making sure💔

[thorny zealot]

Why

[next nexus]

Its supposed to be hard

And besides i think its not even THAT rare like i have all 3 Vanguard and im completly f2p

[thorny zealot]

rare*

and they would still be rare with a soft pity

[thorny zealot]

Thats just you

Not everyone's that lucky

[next nexus]

I whouldnt say im lucky whatsoever i just grinded a lot

[thorny zealot]

You still need to be lucky

Even if you grind a lot

[thorny zealot]

If vanguard chances were 1/40k instead of 1/20k would that make 1/20k easy?

?

[torn berry]

anything below 1/80k seems easy to some of these people

[thorny zealot]

@soft spear

💔

[torn berry]

aizen has caused irreparable damage to this community

[next nexus]

Nope but it whould make it easier

[thorny zealot]

So if instead of 1/20k they were 1/10k would that make them easy?

1/10k is still a lot btw

[torn berry]

bro people already struggle with getting ragna at 1/100

[thorny zealot]

lol

[torn berry]

1/10k is still very rare

[next nexus]

Yea i know how much is 1/10k

[thorny zealot]

Answer my question

[next nexus]

Well i whouldnt say it whould be easy but it whould be WAY easier

[thorny zealot]

Yeah but would it still be hard?

[torn berry]

mfs over here saying 1/10k is too easy while I'm here sometimes struggling to get the middle unit on a banner 😭 🙏

[next nexus]

Not really

[next nexus]

Play more

[thorny zealot]

these aa players bro 💔

what has aa done to this community 💔

[next nexus]

Wdym Aa

[half saddle]

he's ragebaiting

[thorny zealot]

lol

[torn berry]

nah I'm good

[next nexus]

Buddy i have never played AA

[thorny zealot]

Yet you still think 1/10k is not rare 💔

[half saddle]

Its not rare

there are so many copies of gogeta

and its 1/20k

its not as rare as you think

soft pity concept would be valid

in the diavolo event

[half saddle]

where u had to farm 30-35 minutes

for 6k

but on gogeta grind it doesnt make sense

[acoustic jackal]

soft pity not for gogeta grind

i swear nobody actually read these suggestions but argue anyway for the sake of it

[thorny zealot]

[acoustic jackal]

any and all values in here are all up to the developers if they even consider this concept

including how much the soft pity will go up to

[thorny zealot]

Don't even need to read the suggestion it's in the title

[acoustic jackal]

how much is needed to spend to get to the soft pity point

[half saddle]

didnt say that

i said that if next grind is like gogeta

so not that hard

there shouldnt be a soft pity

@thorny zealot you gotta be honest gogeta isnt that rare, compare it to AA

vanguard unit shouldnt be something you need to have 100%

[acoustic jackal]

sjw

[half saddle]

you can still solo the entire game

[half saddle]

Its free

[acoustic jackal]

still a vanguard

[half saddle]

they did a must have unit

cuz its free

yes but they did him like that

cuz its free

[acoustic jackal]

going against all they have said regarding vanguard units

[torn berry]

the game is probably never gonna be balanced around sjw yet he was still given for free

[half saddle]

ye they changed their plans

[torn berry]

does that not puzzle you

[half saddle]

the only grind im against was the diavolo one

i still dont think vanguard units are a must have

gogeta isnt good if u dont have monarch

there are better options

[acoustic jackal]

me when 3/3 of vanguard units are very much a must have for lb runs

[half saddle]

im not talking about lbs

And lb are not for everyone

lbs are for the most dedicated players

99% of the playerbase dont play for the lb

[acoustic jackal]

still 2nd best dps with monarch outside lbs

[half saddle]

who ?

[torn berry]

they aren't must haves but they're still content the playerbase is meant to interact with and obtain

but if the obtainment method is shit then why even bother

[acoustic jackal]

gogeta

sjw powercrept him since summons

[half saddle]

Monarch is not required to beat the entire game

its a plus

i mean every game got something rare to grind and spend time

[acoustic jackal]

lb is the only content endgame

at some point players will have to do that or just take a break until next upd

[half saddle]

or just log in to do bounties and daily, or look for challenges with trait rerolls, but thats every game, tell me a game that last hours and hours that you can play every day on roblox

the only one maybe is deepwoken

[thorny zealot]

Why are we comparing Av to aa

💀

Just because aa has even worse chances doesnt mean av's are good lmao

[half saddle]

ok every roblox game got his chances and his gambling

if you dont like this

dont play roblox

[thorny zealot]

LOL

[half saddle]

they declined the soft pity suggestion

we all know roblox is a shit pay 2 win game

and we cant do nothing about it

[thorny zealot]

Thats fine

What isnt fine are 1/10k chances

Thats incredibly rare and it's boring asf to get

Your probably not even playing the game ur just mangoing it every day just for a chance of getting something

[half saddle]

the opposite

im playing every day

[thorny zealot]

Thats lame

[half saddle]

to get giselle, doing worldines

doing bounties

doing challenges

[thorny zealot]

You cant really do that unless you only play Av and have nothing else to do

[thorny zealot]

Thats even worse

Long ass tedious grind just for a chance of getting something

Yet ur not complaining about how the game treats you after spending weeks into getting a unit

[obsidian palm]

Just

Get jinwoo

Fr

[half saddle]

no im not doing something based on chance, im doing wordlines love portals

[thorny zealot]

I'm talking about grinds for vanguards 💔

[half saddle]

every roblox game got his ass chances, its not like if we complain about it they are gonna change it, they declined already, tomorrow there is another stage, but they said that they hate adding pity to everything , they said the game already got many pity things

and dont say soft pity isnt a pity

its still something they dont wanna add

[thorny zealot]

Thats not every Roblox game wdym

[half saddle]

The majority

example another ass game but they are rich

blue lock rivals

the chance are ass

[supple wave]

Anime games

[half saddle]

every week they add world class things

[thorny zealot]

blue lock rivals is objectively trash

It doesnt do anything good

It's not the same

[half saddle]

i like the game, i dont like the shit they doing with the chances

[thorny zealot]

Yeah it's mostly anime games

[half saddle]

i dont play anything else other than anime games

like im not playing

dead rails

500k players

Absurd

the game is so bad done

with how much money they make they could increase the quality

[supple wave]

That's the style

[half saddle]

Style doesnt have to be with zombie models from 2017 Roblox

atleast originals zombies

and not roblox free models

[supple wave]

That's the point

Of it

[thorny zealot]

It's mostly anime games with shit chances

Not every Roblox game

[half saddle]

Anime games are a big % of roblox games

there are more anime games than normal

[half saddle]

i mean playercount

[thorny zealot]

Well can't blame you it's robloxs fault for only showing you shitty ass games

[half saddle]

Like what do you suggest

?

[thorny zealot]

?

[half saddle]

suggest a good non anime game with no gambling

[thorny zealot]

^^

Not like I play much Roblox anyways

I'm just waiting for rell seas

[half saddle]

100% sure rell seas will also have chances and gambling

Like they did with shinobi life 2

[thorny zealot]

Rng in games isnt necessarily a bad thing, as long as it doesnt impact gameplay or makes it extremely unfair/p2w it's not that bad

[thorny zealot]

That was Roblox years ago

[thorny zealot]

Or if the chances arent extremely low

[trail nova]

Morning.

Woke up and read everything to this point, but it seems my input isn’t needed this time- can’t say anything I already havent. We somehow got every fallacy repeated beat for beat so I’m pinging the FaQ again 😭 anyways, hope you guys are having a nice day so far.

[warm ivy]

dang apparently mine WAS just missing "keeping them rare" huh

[trail nova]

• Admits the system is fucked up
• tells us to accept it in the same breath 😮‍💨

Yes, most Roblox games are like this I blame premium payouts. But Av can be better than the status quo. Suggestions like mine help shape its future so that it can avoid becoming AA/AD/ALS- it would suck if Av remained more of the same and didn’t innovate.

Anyways my war isn’t against Gacha and uncertainty, it’s against unfairness and tedium.

[trail nova]

y e p. If you don’t clarify that, the trading/value crowd will eat you alive 😔

Keeping vanguards rare while trying to reward effort slightly is a great middle ground for both sides.

[warm ivy]

tbh i have no clue why there wasnt already soft pity

its way better than something like mvp as long as only people who actively do stuff get rewarded

[next nexus]

becuse 1/10k whould be soooo rare

[warm ivy]

mvp just encourages people to either alt or get leechers in their lobby or to use aizen/sokora for damage farming and potentially throwing the run

[warm ivy]

yea, 1/10000 is extremely rare

[tidal berry]

Yeah it would

[warm ivy]

thats 500 portals worth of currency with +100% currency gain lol

[trail nova]

That is rare.

You realize you’d still have to spend millions of presets to even get to that point using the formula I’m proposing, right? Logarithms scale slowly and then level out.

[next nexus]

no its not

[tidal berry]

0/10 bait

[trail nova]

Bro Is sols rng your standard?

[warm ivy]

500 portals is 3000 minutes, or 50 hours of work

50 hours for a vanguard is more than enough

especially since its the same exact task for 50 hours straight

[tidal berry]

Not guaranteed too

[next nexus]

It whould be if a Vanguard whould be staying for 1 month

[warm ivy]

yea thats only the rate-accurate "guarentee"

[trail nova]

And that just makes my argument stronger

[warm ivy]

50 hours is way more than they should expect from a player for a 1 month vanguard

[trail nova]

Gogeta is the example, not the Guinea pig. I’m aware that it’s too late to add soft pity to him. That’s why the title says Future Vanguards.

[warm ivy]

thats 1 hour and 40 minutes every day for an entire month doing the same unrewarding task

not even including if there is some sort of event shop

[next nexus]

yea i understand that

[tidal berry]

90% of this server are 10 or under years old children so they cant really understand what this suggestion is saying

[warm ivy]

either that or greedy and selfish adults who dont want people to be able to get stuff on their own without no-lifing or paying money

[next nexus]

im saying if the FUTURE Vanguard units whould be staying for 3+ months then there is no need for a softb pity

[tidal berry]

Like they see "vanguard" and "pity" in the same sentence and start crashing out

[warm ivy]

we shouldnt base mechanics on bad game design

the winter event should have ended a month ago

yknow, when winter ended

[trail nova]

Real shit. Most of them strawman-ed my argument yesterday, thinking I was trying to remove all challenge, rarity, and difficulty. The overreaction I got for a 0.005% slow and logarithmic increase overtime is fucking insane. Had people calling me stupid, greedy, and personally attacking me.

[warm ivy]

i mean to be fair what do you expect from the average roblox community? they cant comprehend numbers properly and do math themselves to figure out how long itd take, even with boosted rates after dozens of hours of work to get those boosted rates

[next nexus]

Im saying this IF Vanguards whould be staying for 1-2months i whould like this suggestion

[warm ivy]

then why do u keep shitting on it?

[next nexus]

but as i remember Divalo also stayed for like 3 months

[warm ivy]

they actually have update schedules in mind now

[next nexus]

Gogeta is still in

[warm ivy]

i doubt something like the winter event extension will happen again anytime soon

[next nexus]

So probally new Vanguards will be staying for 3+ months too

[warm ivy]

thats not a problem with gogeta

thats a problem with the winter event entirely

its the middle of spring and the winter event is still here

i say middle generously, its closer towards the 1/3 mark

[next nexus]

yea

maybe someone should be making a suggestion about ending the winter Event finnally

[warm ivy]

they already said it wont be

by stating that only valentines will be leaving on update 5

it'll be mid april before the winter event is gone

[next nexus]

🤦‍♂️

crazy work

[trail nova]

Anyways

FAQ Bump

[trail nova]

Bump (Onlooker, if you are new to the suggestion, read before you reply)

[trail nova]

Bump

[trail nova]

b u m p

[opal python]

wish kids could read but they said one seasonal event should always be active in the banner

for this example the winter event

but try at least informing yourself next time

[obsidian palm]

Bro has the grammar of an elementary grade, calling others kids

The game’s main audience is children

:/

[trail nova]

Hence why the reaction to my suggestion was so visceral. Many had no idea what I was actually arguing for and have been molded by bad game design practices.

[trail nova]

bump

[main marten]

the fact winter event isn’t leaving in update 5

is insanity

[trail nova]

I won't deny that. Even I think it's time for it to go, and I don't have geets.

Soft pity can be added for future vanguards 👍

[main marten]

it’s spring

and they still wanna keep it

[obsidian palm]

It’s a good suggestion tho

Icl

[trail nova]

Glad you like it :)

[trail nova]

Bump

[remote bear]

english may not be his native language

[crisp scroll]

This is legendary

One look and I can tell this man knows how to debate 😭

[honest surge]

i mean only if they was a reason to debate for sth thats prob not coming to the game

[sharp rock]

I believe in consumer power

[obsidian palm]

On a lego game is crazy

[honest surge]

Huh? What does that got anything to do the devs are the ones who make thr final decision bro

[obsidian palm]

It’s not unlikely tho

I’d like to see this change come

[honest surge]

It's not going to be coming as of rn seil or wtv admin said so

[obsidian palm]

Deadass?

I mean

[gaunt zephyr]

Fully agree to this adding soft pity, while making it extremely rare

[obsidian palm]

Gogeta vanguard isn’t a unit everyone should have

[sharp rock]

We dont have enough stars

[honest surge]

Yup but Mark the words "as of rn" devs prob don't want it but they might change their minds

[gaunt zephyr]

Making The grind feel abit more rewarding for players who have wasted hours away from their lives

[obsidian palm]

True

Icl

[honest surge]

Dawg legend stage pity has 500 stars and didn't come

[obsidian palm]

Still isnt 1/80k tho

💀

W ig

[sharp rock]

We need 1000

[obsidian palm]

We should get SavageWind to debate the devs 🔥 🗣️

[honest surge]

1000 ain't going to do nun devs reply to suggestion even if they got below 50 bro

Even tho he debates and he wins it doesent mean shit devs decide whether or not it's coming

[sharp rock]

Dang ig so, the only other way is getting the game back to 7k ccu ig

Then they will listen

[obsidian palm]

Im good

This game is peak

[thorny zealot]

Glaze

[obsidian palm]

No cyap

0% glaze, 0% white stuff

[honest surge]

To bad andrevious and dreamy spoon are gone so it's never gonna happen

[thorny zealot]

mhm?

[sharp rock]

Its all over ur face bro

[obsidian palm]

Woahhh

[obsidian palm]

Dookie “devs” went back to that trash excuse of a td game

It’s not that bad tho

Ig

Compared to av it’s just not good

(0% glaze)

[honest surge]

If u talking abt reborn sure i agree

[thorny zealot]

The devs decide whether or not this gets added

They could change their mind and add this

Even more so if this gets a lot of stars

[obsidian palm]

Didn’t they go back to AA

If not