Add Soft Pity for future Vanguards/Secrets While Keeping them Rare

[hidden apex]

idk why we should say that they should play other games if they want better systems rather than improving the game we're playing

[warm ivy]

bro what?

[distant steeple]

x2 reward from mvp is enough

[warm ivy]

thats 20 hours worth of mvps

[distant steeple]

actually

[trail nova]

Bro does not want a game. Bro wants a shitty simulator experience where people can flex the thing that they "grinded" for

[distant steeple]

it does not apply to presents

[warm ivy]

literally he just wants mango heaven

[soft spear]

Ima watch suggestions if they add this soft pity saying "O.10 IS TOO LITTLE,INCREASE IT INCREASE IT"

Greediness of ppl is never-ending. That is the reason why they don't want to keep adding pity for everything.

[distant steeple]

that is literally all roblox tower defenses

[warm ivy]

yea thats what i mean

[trail nova]

So why can't Av be different?

[warm ivy]

buff rogita rates from mvps cuz currency doesnt get buffed

[soft spear]

This isn't improving,this Is just catering the needs of greedy players

[warm ivy]

and then also add a 10% total damage requirement to get rewards at all

[thorny zealot]

They should js ignore these type of players

[warm ivy]

and we've effectively killed leeches

[hidden apex]

there will always be people thinking differently. but that doesn't mean we should just do or say absolutely nothing about it

[thorny zealot]

Read the suggestion 🙏

[distant steeple]

because i like flexing my rare unit and watch as my hbs seethe at the fact that i got their favorite unit monarch and they couldn't get any copies of it

[hidden apex]

you cannot add a system that will make everyone happy does that mean we should just not add anything?

even adding more rerolls there will be people complaining that theyre too easy to get now

[distant steeple]

or the other way around and i get jealous that i couldnt get the rare unit and they did

[distant steeple]

ngl rerolls are so easy to get now

you can grind like 200 in a week

especially those boss bounties

10 rrs a day

is insanity

they should lower it to like 3

[trail nova]

Finally a good point. I'm aware of the slippery slope.

If they add this i'll back off. All i'm asking for is a little change that rewards peoples effort. While small, my suggestion would already put Av leaps and bounds ahead of the opposition, by showing that it respects the players time somewhat. Eitherway, the boundaries of soft pity are up to the devs.

[hidden apex]

more the merrier

[soft spear]

Gosh avg players don't want any rare units in this game 😭🙏 adding soft pity WILL considerably increase the amount of vanguard units in the game and at that point,there is no excitement getting such a rare unit

[hidden apex]

the grind will still be time consuming

[distant steeple]

thats what ive been saying

[hidden apex]

and the soft pity wouldn't even guarantee the unit

also can you js

be happy that you own the unit bro

like do yalls fucking hate worldline units or smth?

[distant steeple]

no cuz its not rare

dude i fucking hate frieren

[thorny zealot]

Yall either ragebaiting or have no reading comprehension

[distant steeple]

mid ass unit

mid ass anime

[soft spear]

Yes but atleast if I get a gogeta,I will be happy of the fact that even players who grind like shit don't have it and yet I have it

[distant steeple]

I take pleasure in the fact that i got gogeta and some people wont no matter how hard they grind

[hidden apex]

this is just a bad mindset to have

[trail nova]

No? When did we say we didn't want rare units?

It seems that most people are looking at this suggestion from a rarity, trade value, BM value, and flexing lense, rather than from a gameplay lense. And that's sad, I hate that ATD's have become more about flexing than actually making a good game. Av DOES NOT have to fall into this trap and avoid QoL for the sake of "rarity" and "value."

[distant steeple]

someone could grind 10k hours to get gogeta

and never get it

[trail nova]

All the more reason we shouldn't listen to you

[distant steeple]

i like that

[thorny zealot]

Stop arguing they're js ragebaiting

[hidden apex]

yeah nah im done

[thorny zealot]

Specially astra

[distant steeple]

it makes having him worth more

[unreal marsh]

im 90% sure dawg here is ragebaiting

[trail nova]

Yeah they have to be, there's no way he's fr

[distant steeple]

im being so fr

i grinded my hardest

[thorny zealot]

Either that or they have no reading comprehension

[distant steeple]

and never got diavolo

and t hats okay

thats just the way it is

[thorny zealot]

Theres quite a lot of people like that youd be suprised

[distant steeple]

just bad luck

[hidden apex]

gen who the fuck gets a high out of others being more miserable than them

[distant steeple]

you already have a permanent non rng obtainable vanguard

sjw

[hidden apex]

why is that the satisfaction you get

[distant steeple]

who is arguably better than gogeta

with impact frame animation cutscenes

[distant steeple]

Me

[hidden apex]

"catering to greedy players" theyre catering to you being a fucking cartoon villain

[thorny zealot]

Stop engaging with these individuals

Theyre ragebaiting

💔

[hidden apex]

hop on dead rails

[hazy helm]

Dead game

[distant steeple]

im being deadass do you not like flexing your rare unit on people who didnt get it???

[hazy helm]

No, we have jobs

[hidden apex]

these rails... are dead.

[hidden apex]

no

[distant steeple]

im employed btw

[dim sequoia]

literally a breakkdown of this suggestion ppl want rogita easier to obtain cuz they dont wanna grind for him under the current conditions

[hazy helm]

That's sad, break out of the loop and gamble to be a millionaire

All in every paycheck

[distant steeple]

elite knowledge

[hidden apex]

gamble like you gamble on that vanguard 🤑

[soft spear]

Vanguard units ARE meant for flexing. Sure I do agree with the fact that these vanguard units r broken and players shud be able to get their hands on one. But it is especially for this fact,that they shudnt have pity(in the eyes of devs). Players have an actual incentive to grind for these units bcuz of the fact that they r good,and they need these units if they want to stand a chance in the endgame

When there is enough incentive for such units,I don't see why they need to add pity for this,just for the sake of making grinding easier, when ppl r gonna grind for it anyways

I wud agree for the pity if they make these like shit with no actual incentive to grind, but this is simply unnecessary

[warm ivy]

its not pity

its SOFT pity

huge difference

[soft spear]

Soft pity I'm aware.

It's making it easy regardless

[warm ivy]

it is in now way easy

[soft spear]

0.25 - 0.35+ what's easier??

[warm ivy]

its just less hard

?

its easier sure

but not easy

[soft spear]

Yra and why is the less hard necessary??players are gonna grind for it anywas

[unreal marsh]

dude just shut up you're just one of those black market bros who wants their value to be as high as possible for your own personal gain

[soft spear]

Bcuz they r good in the meta

[warm ivy]

thats like saying we should never have any more QOL updates because players are fine with the amount we have now

[soft spear]

Black market??? Dint they ban bots tho? And wudnt black market bots want a pity of these vanguard units so that they get more of it??

[warm ivy]

it still requires a lot of effort to get them though?

its not like it hands them out like candy

they are still extremely time consuming to get even one

[soft spear]

Lol qol updates r yet necessary,I don't see the pity bring necessary.

[floral gull]

Gang this just allows everyone a guaranteed one its still really fucking difficult to get

[warm ivy]

its not even guarenteed

it just raises the rates

[floral gull]

its not like everyone gonna get a free gogeta they acc gotta work for it

[soft spear]

Bcuz that's how they r meant to be??

[warm ivy]

so u have a higher chance to get it

[thorny zealot]

No reading comprehension

Can't tell if ur ragebaiting or not

[soft spear]

Like imagine asking to rewarded for grind in a game when they want units relying on rng

[warm ivy]

after endless hours of grinding and not getting it, you SHOULD have higher rates than someone who just started grinding it

[hidden apex]

i didnt expect a soft pity suggestion to reveal 2 randoms to be horrible people 😭

[warm ivy]

we agree on something for once

[distant steeple]

whos a horrible person

[soft spear]

Nah not necessary lol

[warm ivy]

💀

[thorny zealot]

Yall

[warm ivy]

"man i dont want it added because i got it already"

[thorny zealot]

Stop

[broken edge]

Where's ur new suggestion

[thorny zealot]

You dont get XP from here

[distant steeple]

oh yeah guys

check out my new suggestion

[warm ivy]

yea sam advertise ur suggestion

[floral gull]

those who gatekeep the unit they got from completely rng

[distant steeple]

star my suggestion so it gets added

[warm ivy]

❤️

[thorny zealot]

Make it happen

[broken edge]

WHWRES THE SUGGESTION

[thorny zealot]

In the suggestions channel

[broken edge]

Ping meee

[soft spear]

Trust me I spent over 3 mil wisps and no diavlo. I wud want this more than anyone of it was necessary. But the fact the I had smthin to grind in the game proves even if I dint get him🙏

[broken edge]

Or.

Is the image the suggestion

💀

[thorny zealot]

No, it's making it easier not easy

[floral gull]

we know u have gogeta cro its okay

[distant steeple]

guys!

star my suggestion!

make sjw ascendable post evo

[warm ivy]

you do know you'd still have to grind for it right? it just wouldnt be as bad of a grind and chances are you still arent getting more than 1 without insane luck

[distant steeple]

cuz i lowk forgot to ascend mine before evolving

[broken edge]

Isn't it too late now

[warm ivy]

L

[broken edge]

💔

[thorny zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1352621736679706675

[warm ivy]

but yea that needs to be added

thats weird

[thorny zealot]

Yall should star my suggestion

[distant steeple]

hes got monarch and all godly stats too 😭

[broken edge]

Wow we can send link in #1315875683603447969 now

WOWWWW

Or is ur high role

💔

[soft spear]

I wud just not play the game if I get him earlier and it wud be boring,player retention is necessary for any game. And these repeatable events ARE MEANT for player retention. Simply asking them to remove the player retention which is the primary motive of these events is bs imo.

[thorny zealot]

Idk

[thorny zealot]

Stop ragebaiting

Thats agaisnt the rules

Your just trolling

💔

You cant be this stupid

[soft spear]

I wud grind for the entire 3 months if I'm unlucky. But with the pity,I'm more likely to get it within a month

[distant steeple]

#1352674240004100168

star my suggestion guys

[warm ivy]

hey man after 20+ hours of straight grinding your rates went from 1/20,000 to a whopping 1/5,000, thats still a huge time commitment

[thorny zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1352621736679706675

Mine too

[thorny zealot]

Stop he's just ragebaiting

[soft spear]

Ur making the event completion easier,when these events ARE meant for player retention. Exactly the reason why devs won't add this for future events.

[broken edge]

WE CAN GO SUGGESTION 4 SUGGESTION 🗣️ 🔥

bro

[broken edge]

Yeah it's my low role

[thorny zealot]

Scroll up

[broken edge]

Wait what.

How THE FUCK

?!?!?!?!

[broken edge]

Did bro bypass

[thorny zealot]

He has been converted

[broken edge]

💀

[warm ivy]

oh no, making players who grinded the event a lot have better rates than people who just started grinding? how awful!

[broken edge]

ITS FREAK

[thorny zealot]

Ignore him

You don't get xp

[warm ivy]

oh dang i thought we did

[broken edge]

💔

[warm ivy]

why do i even reply to these then

[tidal berry]

[broken edge]

It's a suggestion thread, naturally we wouldn't get xp

[hazy helm]

it's how convos work

[thorny zealot]

No lmao

[thorny zealot]

Thats not really a convo though

[soft spear]

Oh no making a unit obtainable after a 30-50 hour grind when it is meant to make them grind for the entire duration of the event(3 months) IS THE SMARTEST BUSINESS MOVE!!!!!

[hazy helm]

it is

[broken edge]

Arguments would get the average suggestion hunk to lvl 100 in a matter of days

[warm ivy]

idk its just like one stubborn guy being selfish talking to like 4 people trying to help the greater good

i wouldnt call that a convo

[hazy helm]

damn @soft spear he called u stubborn

[broken edge]

@thorny zealot where do u yap for xp?

[warm ivy]

general

[broken edge]

I try answering in #「❓」questions but it gets repetitive

[thorny zealot]

I used to yap a lot in #「❓」questions

[tidal berry]

#「🌸」booster-chat

[soft spear]

I was just tryna make yall understand the reason why devs won't add this,but oh well I gotta tell u that ur up for more disappointment in future events man. Hopefully u dont cry bcuz u expected more from the game

[broken edge]

Too "general"

[tidal berry]

[broken edge]

It gets difficult though

💔

[warm ivy]

bro this pfp is like 6 years old lmao wdym

(embracing my inner sam and speaking nonsense)

:)

[hazy helm]

[soft spear]

😭😭whats my random ahh pfp got to do anything with this gng

[soft spear]

Aight makes sense

[broken edge]

U WANNA GO THAT FAR HUH MR FREAK
@dra.edon

ALR THEN

[broken edge]

What the fuck

Can I not @ people

@thorny zealot

What

💀

[tidal berry]

[warm ivy]

no periods

@tidal berry see

[broken edge]

That's how he's name is

What

[dim sequoia]

to me thats not the main problem the devs will leave this suggestion up and running even tho its not coming

[broken edge]

@tidal berry see

[warm ivy]

lol

[broken edge]

💔

Thanks

OK let's be on topic guys

" no xp here" 🤓

[warm ivy]

as long as its here we have hope

[broken edge]

So who is pro suggestion

And who is against

This suggestion

[warm ivy]

@thorny zealot he talkin shit

[hazy helm]

dtm

pro

[dim sequoia]

not really fact we got suggestions like add legend stages pity they have a tendancy of not deleting posts with many ppl agreeing with it
so its not getting deleted

[broken edge]

WHAT

NO NO

[broken edge]

I'm saying

Delete that shit NOW

[warm ivy]

and they might add legend stage pity

[broken edge]

There's a thread limit too

Bouta be a problem real soon

[thorny zealot]

Stupid braindead people like @soft spear

[broken edge]

Trust, then they'll have to be more strict

[broken edge]

Where's the essay

[warm ivy]

thats when they just add a second threat: suggestions 2

level req of 25

[thorny zealot]

Well it's pointless

[distant steeple]

is ghoul re worth playing

[warm ivy]

no

[broken edge]

Damn though, he was being really smart in some of his points

IN other suggestion

[thorny zealot]

I was replying to dawg but realized he wouldnt even be able to understand what I'm saying

[broken edge]

Some I didn't agree on

Like this

But mostly I agreed

[dim sequoia]

it wont it has been up for 3 weeks adn no response from a dev and devs have responded to some even made a week ago
were u here when ppl were asking for portals?
what did they do? they just ignored ppl and didnt give a response

[broken edge]

Is Arise worth playing

[thorny zealot]

for someone like you probably

[broken edge]

That's am insult right?

Oh ok

[thorny zealot]

Kinda?

[broken edge]

HEY

HEY

Oh ok

[thorny zealot]

Well that wasnt what I meant

Based on the bs he's been saying he'd probably enjoy a game like that tbh

[distant steeple]

huh

is ghoul re bad???

[soft spear]

Silent treatment,basically means they ain't adding it

[broken edge]

Cooked

[thorny zealot]

Isnt that common knowledge

[broken edge]

Fuck

[thorny zealot]

Why did I get pinged 2 times

[broken edge]

Mb om ghost pings

💔

Another dev might see this though

💔

[Seik is the only dev from MY experience that is publicly "active" in suggestions 💔]

[honest surge]

and why is this suggestion still up then?

[half saddle]

your the king of ragebaiting 💔

[trail nova]

My response to seil. I’m Cooked, but I thanked them for their time. We’re down but not out though, he is one of many developers, and there’s always a chance of convincing others

[soft spear]

😭😭dint he just say that he's gonna let these suggestions stay and if the devs want to, they will add it

[honest surge]

im not in that post lemme check

[soft spear]

Pity suggestions for vanguard units has been a thing since diavlo came in. The fact that gogeta wasn't given a pity even after so many community requests shows

That they don't plan on adding it

[trail nova]

To be frank (and not to toot my own horn) none of them were well written like mine, they were just one sentence complaints in all caps. It’s no wonder the devs didn’t take those kinds of suggestions seriously.

[soft spear]

Soft pity,hard pity,bla bla pity every single pity has been suggested

And the fact that they added such a rare unit

When game had 20k players

I don't think they will want to reduce it now

When it has 80k players

[half saddle]

90k

[honest surge]

from the phrase " the developers read suggestions and if they're interested in it they can take it onboard" im assuming its not that admin who delets posts its the devs

[soft spear]

Lorenzo deletes the clown suggestions,but debatable suggestions he keeps them in

[honest surge]

obv but it explains why low quality suggestions like the other soft pity one

but ur suggestion has actually got to be an unserious one like delete the game or something dumb for it to be deleted

[dim sequoia]

true but why dont they delete the posts tho?

[atomic flower]

they should also add an actual pity for mythic traits

like, whos going to spin 2500 times in only one unit

[thorny zealot]

Rich people

[dim sequoia]

i do agree with the theory admins prob rarely delete posts which means devs rarely read posts and stuff they dont like they dont read

[thorny zealot]

Generally i dont like trait pity in any way

[dim sequoia]

which is the only reasonable reason why most of these posts arent deleted

[torn berry]

It's only there so whales don't lose their minds

[thorny zealot]

However its fine for me coz im never reaching 2.5k on one unit

[dim sequoia]

they is a whole post for that #1348134438604640358

[atomic flower]

the quantity is still "overvaluing" it

like, 3k pity is insane

should be lower

[honest surge]

yup "We exercise the full right to delete or alternatively lock and close any posts that may be" that phrase why did they use may be instead of that are?
so ill assume that part should have been name why the devs will delete ur post. cuz seems like it might be made of expereince or prediciton on why.
i can further break it donw but i actually need to lock in

[thorny zealot]

Make it happen

[dim sequoia]

everything we are saying is based on assumption tbh only 1 thing we can gurantee is the devs are prob the ones deleting the posts

[atomic flower]

testers from astd x said that their game isn't even goin to have a single gacha similar to tds

and it is high QOL imo

[thorny zealot]

If it looks good it might just be the best atd tbh

[trail nova]

If this is true, then i'm pivoting to that

[thorny zealot]

star my peak suggestion

🙏

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1352621736679706675

That

💔

[thorny zealot]

Make it happen

[torn berry]

peak incoming

[dawn nacelle]

No that statement was nullified by many testers, they made gogeta easier to get and will make all future vanguards easier to get in one way or another

They want the majority of players to get him

Its no longer a “super rare” cosmetic

[broken edge]

Other devs might take this into consideration

I believe 🔥

Regardless of the fact that Seil is the most active dev when it comes to responses in #1315875683603447969

I BELIEVEEE

[broken edge]

There's actually 0 reasom

In all honesty

The answer is probably that devs shouldn't be worrying about clearing out slop suggestions in the first place

They should be reviewing,planning, innovating the idea and then developing

The job of removing slop suggestions should be done by mods in all honesty, I'm certain the AV discord is going to hit the max thread limit soon

So they kinda gotta take clearing useless/repeated suggestions down

[dim sequoia]

if its not coming to the game they should delete it thats the reason

[trail nova]

Deleting this suggestion would be a waste. I fought too goddamn hard across several threads just to have everything I stand for be deleted. We won’t be silenced.

This suggestion unmasked the community, most of them want a shitty simulator where you “grind hard” (macaroni) for what you want so you can flex on others, instead of making the game satisfying, fair and fun to play for all. This shit better stay, the devs need to know what the lowest dregs of the community look like.

[trail nova]

I’m tired boss. Maybe I just hate ATDs. Most of them are shit except for Av, and I don’t want AV to become shit if the devs fuck up trading and chase the robux

[broken edge]

This isn't a slop suggestion for one.

I can assure u it won't get deleted

Seeing as "give legend stage pity" hasn't even gotten deleted yet

It's fucking nuts

[dim sequoia]

how would it be a waste i agree its going to be a waste of ur time and wdym most us want a shitty sim where u grind hard? ur suggestion 109 upvotes my fires to 10 ppl that disagree and why should it stay if the devs arent gonna add it at the end of the day its there game and they control whats coming into the game and whats not and they dont want this coming so why is it still up?

[broken edge]

there have already been discussions plenty of times about pity internally
it's not something I am interested in doing anything with anymore, the developers read suggestions and if they're interested in it they can take it onboard, but it's not something I want to concern myself over

[dim sequoia]

to me this suggestion at its simplest form is players saying the dont wanna grind for gogeta under its current conditions make it easier so we got more incentive to grind which i do disagree tbh

[trail nova]

Fair, 109 votes it nothing to scoff at. I typed that in the heat of the moment, focusing on the negative replies I got instead of the votes we have. Though there is a separate soft pity suggestion (albeit low effort) with around 270 dislikes…

[broken edge]

there have already been discussions plenty of times about pity internally
it's not something I am interested in doing anything with anymore, the developers read suggestions and if they're interested in it they can take it onboard, but it's not something I want to concern myself over

Why are u assuming this won't get added because 1 DEV said he isn't interested in the concept

IT wasn't declined, it was just avoided

He didn't even read this suggestion

[dim sequoia]

1 dev? where in that phrase did it say 1 dev it says "Developers"

[broken edge]

What are u talking about man

😭

It says "developers review suggestions that they find interest in"

Just because 1 is avoiding it, doesn't mean the whole of the dev team don't want this added

[dim sequoia]

im talking abt this where did u get "1 Dev" while it could be more?

maybe even all devs disagree

[broken edge]

Until a dev makes a statement that thr team as a whole agrees this is a bad idea

Then sure

Delete the suggestion

[broken edge]

And where are u getting the "it could be more"

We wouldn't know would we

But it's not alright to assume either

Best to assume is that it has a possibility of being added

[broken edge]

Unless:

[dim sequoia]

cuz its not specified and do u really think 1 DEV could influence the decisions of the whole dev team thats bullshit

[hazy helm]

Stand ur ground and don't delete it

[broken edge]

What, are u agreeing with my points now?

😭

[dim sequoia]

nope idk what we are even arguing about

[honest surge]

we both know we dont give a fuck whether this is coming or not
its just how the devs choose to approach their communication of "this is not coming into the game"
the devs cant even speak so an admin had to do it
like sth aint coming to ur game tell us
u own the fucking game and we cant do anything if tehy decided its gonna happen

[dim sequoia]

but also at the same time this thing prob isnt their job

prob a hobby or sum

[dim sequoia]

real problem if they dont adress this shit any time soon unlikely but possible suggesstions are gonna start getting clogged with "add pity please"

and all im gonna say is bs cuz no matter how u view the idea of pity its gonna make the game easier

[hidden apex]

Game's already easy

[dim sequoia]

yup but making it easier dosent sound like a better solution

[soft spear]

Exactly the reason why they shudnt make it even more easier😭

[hidden apex]

giving vanguards easier to people who bother grinding won't change shit

you can literally go do 20 rifts and get like the most batshit f2p unit rn

or complete sjw's questline to get him

[sharp rock]

Hot take: how about we downscale the units? Perhaps nerf the vanguard units

[hidden apex]

id like that too but

adding a vanguard pity is more realistic than making them trophy units

[torn berry]

then you'd have no incentive to get them other than for trading and flexing

[hidden apex]

cuz its pretty obvious they want vanguard units to be top tiers

sjw top 1 gogeta top 2 diav top 5

[lime imp]

Or ban vanguards from solo related tourneys/comps

[junior aspen]

goku vanguard

[sharp rock]

U would have to ban them from inf, infinity castle, boss rush, tourney. May as well remove them from the game

[junior aspen]

that’s the whole game

[bright jasper]

lmfao

[unreal marsh]

i for one do not care about gogeta

i just dont

[trail nova]

Missed the FUCKING point.

How is 0.005% -> 0.010% soft pity ‘ez mode’? It’s millions of presents-STILL a grind, not a handout. READ IT. Title says ‘keep them rare,’ holy shit. 0.005% is a tiny boost, caps at 1/10k AS YOU GRIND. I'm not here crashing some imaginary stock market-there’s no spoonfeeding, just effort mitigating RNG bullshit. You’re so drowned in Roblox slop, you think 1/10k’s a freebie. Sad.

Also @hidden apex right- Devs nailed SJW and Ywach's obtainment methods. Devs can make player-first decisions; and it's up to us to hold them to it, not ditch QoL ‘cause it’s ‘already ez.’”

[unreal marsh]

with that being said, i dont see people shutting up about vanguard pity until they add it

[hidden apex]

i agree

yhwach's obtainment is p good

sjw's obtainment is also pretty good

grindy questline but there isn't any rng and the reward is well worth it

[soft spear]

1/25k to 1/10k Is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier considering u get like 600+ summons for every 4 hours.

[unreal marsh]

eh, sjw could use improvement
aka lower beru kills to 30

[hidden apex]

nah idk

i wish for them to make the quests like

more content filled? idk how to word it

but the time you spend atleast

is fair

for the unit you get

especially considering you can go 5x the amount to try to get gogeta and get nothing in return

very fun

[unreal marsh]

i swear they said they would never do permanent vanguard evos in a stage at one point

[hidden apex]

sjw glaze cuz the game's themed around solo leveling

even tho i fucking doubt the old devs watched solo leveling

[unreal marsh]

aandre was weird

[hidden apex]

why the fuck were the statues talking bro

[unreal marsh]

but hey now that vanguard evos are a thing now
heian era sukuna vanguard evo perhaps

[hidden apex]

probably happening

tho id rather have megkuna

so we can have ten shadows

heian is js gonna be world cutting slash

and domain

[unreal marsh]

isnt his shiny megukuna already?

[hidden apex]

i think its just him in manga artstyle??

not sure

[tame jewel]

did bro not read manga

Heian era Sukuna can summon Mahoraga…

He also has access to the tens shadow ct..?

[warm ivy]

itd be a neat concept but it is a lot of work for not much use

its not like it'd be a vanguard unit

[soft spear]

Since when was this lmaooo

[tame jewel]

Well I mean he never did it but still…

[unreal marsh]

well sukuna is already a secret
its only logical his second evo would be vanguard

[tame jewel]

Canon he can summon mahoraga

[soft spear]

He can't

[tame jewel]

He can

[warm ivy]

no?

[soft spear]

He needed megumi's body to do so.

[junior aspen]

LMAO

NO WAY

[warm ivy]

he can only summon mahoraga if hes in megu's body

[soft spear]

😭😭

[tame jewel]

nvm

but it’s crazy to see Heian era has like no kit

[hidden apex]

no lmao

[tame jewel]

When he has a shit ton of kit

[hidden apex]

ten shadows is tied to megumi's body

[warm ivy]

so we'd either get megkuna or heian, and heian just makes a better unit overall

[hidden apex]

nah

[soft spear]

He was wrecking 50 sorcerers with the heian form,untill the mc plot armour came in clutch

[junior aspen]

Sukuna already a secret

[hidden apex]

megkuna can have ten shadows and world cutting slash

[unreal marsh]

i feel like they'd make maho his own unit

[warm ivy]

it doesnt make sense to have his most powerful form not be his final form

[junior aspen]

Heian era most likely gonna be vangurd

vanguard*

[hidden apex]

true but heian is such a boring final form

like its such a caveman way of making sukuna stronger

[warm ivy]

blame the writers

[soft spear]

His chants cud be a rlly good mechanic...

[hidden apex]

i blame gege every waking moment

[junior aspen]

I think gege was rushing the mangas

manga*

[warm ivy]

itd be pretty annoying to deal with though

if its some sort of sjw style gui

[soft spear]

Yea

I hate sjw

Bcuz the ui

[warm ivy]

his gui could have just been made more buttons bro

[soft spear]

Maybe something else

Like his passive

Smthin like

He cud buff units,debuff enemies, inflicts some kind of curse on enemies

Idk

But the chants cud be interesting

[unreal marsh]

speaking of sjw
why did they not give him a tusk summon

[junior aspen]

It’s a lot

technically speaking

[soft spear]

They did ma boi tusk so bad

[junior aspen]

Wouldn’t sukuna have 2 evos

[soft spear]

Why tf did they name him fang in the anim😭😭

[junior aspen]

if meguna not his own character

[soft spear]

Even sjw does lol

Double evo.

[junior aspen]

Sukuna > meguna > heian era

[unreal marsh]

ok but sukuna is technically an evo of yuji

[junior aspen]

or he could be megumi evolution

idk

[hidden apex]

i was questioning this in a vc why the fuck did we get healer instead of tusk

healer sucks ass too

[unreal marsh]

we should get them to replace healer with tusk during the stage on sunday

[junior aspen]

they not doing that

😭

[unreal marsh]

well at the very least get t them to acknowledge why they didnt add him

[tame jewel]

Bc it follows novel

[soft spear]

Oh

I only read the manhwa lol

[oak spire]

i prefer this to the other one tbh
explained much better

[river heart]

massive L suggestion

[trail nova]

How. Explain how. I worked hard to ensure that the reasoning of this suggestion would be air-tight and high effort compared to its predecessors. But nope! Somehow it’s a “massive L” according to your skimming ass. I dare you to give me ONE REASON that I haven’t already seen.

Yknow what? Actually no, don’t even bother explaining! Your takes will just be as braindead as the ones who came before you!

Fuck it, Fuck this, and Fuck you. FUCK why am I even trying. People like you only care about trading, rarity, and value! Yep! That’s it! That’s all you fuckers care about and want in a game! Who cares about fun! Who cares about quality of life! Just play to trade and flex on others instead of giving others a fair shot which (mind you) isn’t a “ez mode handout” that people like to say.

I hate this mindset. I hate that people want to hold the game back for stupid reasons.

I’m about to crash tf out.

[fleet garnet]

🤡

#1316121900916936804

[hidden apex]

don't try to reason bro its not worth it

[torn berry]

years of AA and its consequences on the ATD playerbase

[hidden apex]

deadass

[soft spear]

It's funny how no one in AA complained abt a 1/80k, but here we complaining abt a 1/20k lmao

[hidden apex]

adventures is beyond saving

why do you think i don't play it

[soft spear]

Difference is avg spoiled ppl too much that they've become so greedy and want more of it🤣🤣🤣

[tame jewel]

Why is bro so mad?
Are we no longer allowed to give out criticism?

[trail nova]

"Massive L Suggestion" is not constructive criticism, don't even fucking start. And why am I mad? Because i've been fighting this war across several threads, dealt with the same awful takes over and over and over again and went through multiple arguments who only have roblox as their standard for what's acceptable. Why am I mad? Because I'm passionate about game design, good game design. I'm frustrated with what roblox (and ATDs) have become- premium payout farming slop designed to milk your time and money, with a neat little 0.00001% chance bow on top. Av will never take away it's gacha mechanics, that's not what i'm advocating for- i'm advocating for player first design because I hate what games have become, and I see potential in Av to be different. Hell, it already is in some way, it just has to keep it up, and not bend the knee to people addicted to trading.

[soft spear]

Holy yap aint no one reading allat

[trail nova]

Then fuck off.

You should know my writing style by now. I don't hold back, and frankly if you aren't willing to read what your opponent is saying, then don't enter debates.

[soft spear]

U ignored like all my msgs tho😭😭mind scrolling up seeing those and give me the reason why smthin unnecessary like this is needed when ppl have the incentive to grind anyways

Ignoring your opponent's contention is also a bad move id say

[trail nova]

"give me the reason why smthin unnecessary like this is needed"

Damn you can find that by scrolling up too! 1 sec i'm going to find and quote myself

Some of the best decisions in gaming are "unecessary."

• Artifact loadouts and build sets are unecessary, but save you time and energy, so that you don't have to unequip all of your units/gear every time you want to use a different playstyle.
• Genshin's Fate Points system is unecessary, but because of those points, it prevents another "Staff of Homeless" Incident, where tectone spent $2k trying to get the staff of homa, but got wolf's gravestone instead over and over and over again because he kept losing 50/50.
• Hollow Knights shade souls when you die are unecessary. But you have the option to find it, and attempt to kill it- restoring your soul meter and geo (currency).

All of these "unecessary" features aim to ease the player experience, without taking away what they are going for in their game, in this case, rarity and difficulty. "Just let it be" shows complacency with a bad system. You don't see what's wrong with it because ATD's and roblox games are your standard i'm assuming.

[soft spear]

When ppl r gonna grind anyways bcuz the unit is good,why wud the devs add this??

Always looking at things from ur pov isn't it.

[soft spear]

Genshin works completely differently from avg. Please do not compare that to this.

[trail nova]

My pov? No. I'm stacked. I have the vanguard SJW, Yamamoto, and Monarch saber, and a few other meta units.

I'm looking at things from an average player point of view. Something that a few people here are incapable of doing. Just because I'm one of the "haves" doesn't mean the game shouldn't strive to be better. "I have it, so fuck you" isn't how I roll

[soft spear]

U had 3 months to grind and yet u dint grind the entire 3 months and now ur unhappy that u don't have him.

[trail nova]

Both are gacha games, which is close enough

[river heart]

boo hoo

[sacred fog]

W suggestion but maybe just regular pity

iluvbbwlatinas

[soft spear]

By adding a pity ur making the potential 100+ hrs grind to a potential 50 hour grind.

[trail nova]

I. DID. FUCKING. GRIND.

"you didn't grind the entire 3 months" don't even fucking, bro what the fuck- you're going to assume that I didn't put in the work???

[soft spear]

What's the point of a event when the repeatable content of the event is taken away??

[soft spear]

That's the point of vanguards lmaoooo

U can still grind for him

With a easier obtainable method

Ur just gonna finish

And never touch the event

What even is the point of the event when it's progressive and not based on rng

[trail nova]

If you're using ToS breaking macaroni's, then 50 sounds "realistic". But you have to understand that 50 hours is still like a part time job. Also, when did I give an exact time frame? Bros acting like i'm trying to take away all of the grind. No. I'm just trying to make a hellish grind, into a slightly less hellish grind. The keyword is that it's still hellish.

[river heart]

ive adapted to your rage baits no point in trying

[soft spear]

1/20k to 1/10k is NOT LESS😭😭😭🙏

[trail nova]

THAT IS LESS HELLISH WTF ARE YOU ON

[soft spear]

THATS WAY LESS HELLISH

[trail nova]

And that somehow "devalues a unit into oblivion" in a "trade market" that doesn't fucking exist? You're assuming that everyone is able to run tos breaking clients overnight 24/7 and get gogeta.

Soft pity is how you curb shit like that. Think about WHY people boot up those clients in the first place.

You think they're "working hard"?

No the FUCK they aren't

it's all their PC

[river heart]

1. ma cros dont break no tos
2. thers legit time chamber

[trail nova]

and shit like that is whats killing ATDS AND GAMING

[soft spear]

Making vanguard units less rare is a disgrace to the rarity. And when such a pity is unnecessary bcuz ppl already have an incentive to grind.

[river heart]

Yeah

[trail nova]

I'll take your word for point #1 but you should be aware that the devs don't exactly "condone" it. No self respecting dev should balance their game around tools that they did not build.

As for the AFK chamber, yes it exist. But do you expect me to sit in it for ~17 hours on end just for a slim chance? What about low end phones that fry trying? What happened to gameplay? They keyword is GAMEPLAY. Yes, the chamber exists, but my beef is with overreliance on AFK and cheating the system to get what you want

[soft spear]

17 hours x 90+ days🙏 u cud lowkey get over 10 mil presents from that

[trail nova]

Power bill:

[soft spear]

And if u want gameplay

Just play

[river heart]

"No self respecting dev should balance their game around tools that they did not build"

Yama is a 0,75% from a stage that takes 7 minutes to do

[trail nova]

Translation: Just waste hours of my life with no motivator 👍 remember that it takes all day to reach the numbers that we are talking about. Most people here have jobs, school, and life. Yes the AFK chamber can soften the blow, but we should not be expected to rely on, yk, not playing

[trail nova]

I bet my whole house that the majority of the playerbase did not get him legit and used tiny task

[fleet garnet]

"buff johnny cus i have monarch on him but see still sucks and i dont know how to cope so i bitch about it on suggestions using the excuse that "johnny deserves it"

[soft spear]

Play when u can. Afk chamber when u can't.

[minor fable]

Deadass i would manually grind for sjw cause i atleast know that its guarenteed 😭

[fleet garnet]

not really ragebait its js an ass suggestion

[trail nova]

be fr, would YOU sit your ass down for 8 hours?! With no soft pity? NO TF YOU WOULDN'T. And we wonder why macaroni dominates

[river heart]

"I have no idea what im talking about and im a dumbass"

[trail nova]

DAMN RIGHT

[soft spear]

Exactly the reason why they call sjw a "free vanguard" while other vanguards aren't called "free"

[trail nova]

And i'm not asking for them to be free

[minor fable]

"av is free bro"

[river heart]

You kind of are

[minor fable]

😼

[trail nova]

I'm asking for a method that encourages ACTIVE PLAY, even if it's slightly

that's how you defeat macaroni, through small player-first additions

[soft spear]

The interpretation of "free" is different in this scenario

[minor fable]

yep ik

lol

[trail nova]

0.005% -> 0.010% is a miniscule increase that's still way below 1%. Don't even fucking start.

[fleet garnet]

what if we just removed banner secrets entirely

[soft spear]

Adding pity makes it easier for Mango users to get the vanguards tho????

[trail nova]

Shit I wouldn't even mind

[river heart]

Stop acting like that its so goofy ur not indimidating nobody

[soft spear]

😭😭🙏

[fleet garnet]

you are an idiot though, playing manually with other players gives you more presents from mvp rewards allowing you to reach soft pity faster (the gift boxes give lots of presents)

[trail nova]

You don't see the vision.

Witholding QoL just because macaroni's could benefit from them too is bogus. Ok? People macaroni BECAUSE of the lack of QoL or any drivers to keep them going. They say they work "oh so hard" for what they want. But NOPE it's all a computer. More QoL means less mango's in the long run. Soft pity alone won't do that, but decisions similar to it will help make the games a better, more active, and less bot-filled space

[fleet garnet]

also there really isnt a way to buff people playing manually without buffing mango users unless they added a non mangoable mode in genereal

[soft spear]

??????? I wud take 50k presents afk over 100k presents sitting manually for 8 hours LMAOOO

Even now winter portals r mangoed lmaooo

[fleet garnet]

enlighten me

[trail nova]

Which is a problem, wouldn't you agree?

It's a symptom of a larger problem

a symptom of a rot that's been infesting ATDs for a long time now

[fleet garnet]

find a way to buff things for non mango users that doesnt buff mango users

[soft spear]

Adding a pity just gives them more of a incentive to Mango lmaooooo it literally makes no difference😭😭😭

[soft spear]

There is no possible way.

There r mangoes even for the jeju raid

[trail nova]

The entire SJW quest says hi:

[soft spear]

That shows mangos can update

[fleet garnet]

exactly so why are we saying that this idea sucks bc it buffs people afking

[soft spear]

???it can be completely mangoed yo?

[velvet shore]

Real, def more stuff like that incoming

[trail nova]

and people call me "lazy" for wanting soft pity...

HAVING A MANGO FOR JEJU RAID IS THE DEFINITION OF LAZY

[fleet garnet]

any buff to anything buffs mangos

[velvet shore]

I haven’t actually seen anyone do it yet

Hella people actually grind

[soft spear]

There is no way to buff non mangoers without buffing mangoers

[soft spear]

There is one going around rn

[fleet garnet]

even you admit it, so why are we complaining about a suggestion with the arguement "but it buffs mango users"

[velvet shore]

Well just peak laziness, still better than leeching in winter portals

[fleet garnet]

you are contradicting yourself

[velvet shore]

Wait till bro realizes that 😭

[soft spear]

Uhm not my point. The OP said pity wud discourage Mango which I said no to.

😭😭atleast have the context before making these statements

[fleet garnet]

well if you get more rewards by playing manually u reach soft pity faster than u would mangoing

sure it buffs both but it buffs manual more than afk

[soft spear]

Wud u have 100k manually staring at the screen or 50k when u can actually live a life?

[fleet garnet]

also ur going to say "im not playing 8 hours forx2 rewards"

[soft spear]

Yep

[trail nova]

And I said that soft-pity alone wouldn't fully curb magoing. But it will help. And decisions similar to it that we likely haven't thought of, will also help. It all starts with a small addition and with what comes after.

[fleet garnet]

without soft pity there is even less of a reason to play manually

[soft spear]

And u have ALL the time to get the presenta

[soft spear]

There isn't 😭😭😭😭

[velvet shore]

Exactly then they can get more creative

[fleet garnet]

yes there is

[soft spear]

😭😭😭😭😭so yall r resorting to stating the game's major problem in order to make ur suggestion valid??and ur presenting a completely invalid situation.

[fleet garnet]

no soft pity = play for same amount of time for x2 rewards

soft pity = play for same amount of time for x2 rewards and the banner secret is more common

[soft spear]

So ur solution to pity is to make the grind easier??

😭😭😭

Nice arguements yall have

[trail nova]

How is this situation invalid when it plauges all of the big ATDs? AA, ALS, AD- what do they all have in common? P2W predation, Grind so rediculous that people resort to macaroni, and trading with values inflated so high that making a profit is all they care about. Not gameplay.

This suggestion is about making Av BETTER than that, because it can BE better than that. And it starts with small QoL like soft pity.

[soft spear]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Nah I'm actually done yall r so stubborn and greedy

[oak spire]

no way bro 😭
you made this shit #1316121900916936804

[trail nova]

I'm done too. You don't see the vision.

[soft spear]

Greediness can't be satiated no matter how much the game offers

Spoiled brats r spoiled and there is no changing that

Good luck getting this added🙏🙏

[fleet garnet]

hs going to come and say "L ragebait i have 700 stars"

[oak spire]

700 stars and theyve never even mentioned johnny 💔

[river heart]

it has

700 stars for a reasn

its PEAK

[tame jewel]

i don't got the time to be doing 50x beru kills

[trail nova]

See? We Agree on something! When the grind is too long or monotonous people will bust out the macaroni! Thank you for proving my point! It's reasons like this why good game design is more important than ever.

In the devs defense, the quest is permanent. But I don't mind lowering it to 40 or something (no lower than that).

[hidden apex]

idk the length is fine

the grind should be a bit more engaging tho

ALS' godly quest idea is cool they execute it badly tho

grind 500 essences evo x unit clear stage 50 times yadi yada

but if the quests were a little bit of alot of things it would be nice

and if it had unique things to do and find

idk

like 28 hours of playtime for sjw monarch is fair but most of that playtime is js spent doing the same raid

[dawn nacelle]

how would you make it more engaging tho 🤔

without sacrificing the minimum amount of time required to get sjw

[hidden apex]

it would boil down to doing alot of more various things but doing less of each

so its less repetitive

[dawn nacelle]

ig

[hidden apex]

and also some unique events could be done like finding the dragon balls for goku godly in als

or the shit you did for the cid quest

obviously done a little better but yea

salter obtainment is cool but like

it js got told to us in a doc

and there isn't anything that tells us this is how you get it

[dawn nacelle]

sounds like als has some cool ideas

[hidden apex]

so it kinda gets ruined

[dawn nacelle]

never played it

so i wouldint know

[hidden apex]

i like the ideas of alot of the things als does but

in execution it kinda sucks

but i do like the ideas

i like godly rarity in that game too since it functions kinda similarly to heroes from btd6

[dawn nacelle]

collecting dragon balls sure does sound better then killing beru 50 times

[hidden apex]

which i think would be a good addition to this game

[tawdry quiver]

bro forgot the extra 0

[oak spire]

its not
just let him be outdated bruh 💔
not every old unit needs a buff

[river heart]

that suggestion was made

when he came out

he was ass since he released

less dps than obito

[oak spire]

ye but sbr was their worst update

and it was old devs i think

only good thing to come out of that was diego

massive fumble for the best part of jojos 💔

[thorny zealot]

heian does NOT have wcs 💔

[thorny zealot]

💔💔💔💔

[hidden apex]

No he does

[thorny zealot]

💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

[hidden apex]

He uses it on yuta

World cutting slash was something mahoraga first used so sukuna can copy afterwards

Fraudulent as fuck that his ultimate ability ain't even his

[thorny zealot]

Yuta wasnt even alive in the heian era bro 💔

[hidden apex]

Not referring to sukuna in the heian era bro

[tame jewel]

he talking about

shinjku

heian era sukuna did use wcs on yuta

[hidden apex]

The modern one who gets back his old looks

[thorny zealot]

Yuta wasnt even alive in the heian era bro 💔

[tame jewel]

shut up

stop rage baiting pls

[thorny zealot]

Ironic

[hidden apex]

I was alive in the heian era

He used it on me

[thorny zealot]

thats not heian sukuna tho

[hidden apex]

Noone gonna call him four arms

[thorny zealot]

it's tf sukuna 💔

💔

[hidden apex]

It's just how he looks bro....

[thorny zealot]

thats not heian sukuna tho 💔

[hidden apex]

I'm heian sukuna

[thorny zealot]

it's his 💔

[hidden apex]

Mahoraga did that shit

[thorny zealot]

Mahoraga is literally Sukuna's ct wdym

[opal python]

Bro ngl this suggestion is horrible. We should be glad enough they added a "free vanguard" "guaranted vanguard"

[hidden apex]

Sjw changes nothing bro

[hidden apex]

Maho has a mind of his own

He came up with world cutting slash on his own

[thorny zealot]

It's Sukuna's ct

[hidden apex]

Maho is an independent man

[opal python]

At least i know for a fact that they will never add a pity even if its a soft pity 🤝

[thorny zealot]

It's his CT bro wdym 💔

[hidden apex]

#freemaho

[thorny zealot]

How is it horrible

[opal python]

?

[trail nova]

How is it horrible? Nevermind, I'm not even going to engage. I'm emotionally drained, and i've delivered every well reasoned take I had- only to be dismissed and skimmed over at every turn. If you want to see how I would've responded to you a few hours ago. Scroll up.

Have a nice day.

[thorny zealot]

How is this suggestion horrible

[opal python]

Just close the suggestion if it makes you that emotional? Dont take it to Personal if ppl tell you that this suggestion is not a good one

[thorny zealot]

How is it not good

[opal python]

Adding pitys to vanguard units makes 0 sense

[thorny zealot]

How so

[opal python]

Only good Thing they added is the free vanguard unit

[opal python]

There shouldnt be another way to get a guaranted vanguard unit

Lemme just Block this dog spamming person

Aight better

But ye

[thorny zealot]

It's not a guaranteed

Read the suggestion

[opal python]

There should never and will be never a pity for vanguard units

[trail nova]

That's not even what i'm asking for.

You dumbasses don't read

And then wonder why I get upset.

[thorny zealot]

Why tho

[opal python]

Aight if i "didnt understand it" tell me in your own words short what you are begging for. Cuz you are asking for an guaranteed vanguard drop

[thorny zealot]

Read the suggestion

Scroll up

[trail nova]

Read the suggestion

Scroll up

[thorny zealot]

It's not that hard

[opal python]

I did read it. This is the conclusion. If i am wrong correct me

[thorny zealot]

Do u have no reading comprehension

[dawn nacelle]

did u read the suggestion

[thorny zealot]

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion

[dawn nacelle]

how does adding a soft pity garuntee a vanguard

were are just not reading at this point

💔

[thorny zealot]

vangaurd

[hidden apex]

Bro couldn't even bother skimming through the fucking suggestion??

The important points are highlighted bro are we deadass

[opal python]

Ping me it. So i can tell you why i came to that Conclusion. Cuz i cant scroll up again on the Phone 🙏

[dawn nacelle]

just click on the top right of ur screen to scroll to the top instantly

@opal python

[opal python]

Lemme check

Ngl maybe guaranteed Was a harsh word

[dawn nacelle]

[trail nova]

ya think?

[dawn nacelle]

no really

[opal python]

But wouldnt that

Completly fuck future vanguards values?

[dawn nacelle]

😮‍💨

same argument

[thorny zealot]

oh my god

[dawn nacelle]

everytime

[opal python]

If you just make it "slightly" "easier" to pull

?

[lavish chasm]

this is just an increased chance for vanguards

feels like a weird suggestion

[hidden apex]

This time I'm really gonna do it

[opal python]

Wasnt the first Thing the devs told us when they introduced the vanguard rarity that not everyone should get them

[trail nova]

Trading value...is not....a gameplay feature.

No. 0.010% is still far below 1%, you will still have to put forth significant time and effort to get what you want. I'm not handing out any freebies or trying to fuck up an economy that doesn't even exist yet.

[opal python]

Am i wrong tho?

[dawn nacelle]

that statment has been nullifed

with the release of gogeta

[lavish chasm]

most ppl are gonna get to the 2x chance unless its at a ridiculously high rate

feels like a weird suggestion

basically just "make vanguard more common"

[dawn nacelle]

the details of the suggestion don't really matter that much, its really the concept that matters

[opal python]

But thats the whole Thing about vanguards. They should be rare. The devs introduced diavolo and said " ye not everyone of you should be able to get it".

[trail nova]

It's a suggestion that makes active grinding feel less hopeless, and improve the health of the game in the long-run. This is kind of beyond "make vanguards more common."

[dawn nacelle]

yeah and the devs also said that vangaurds won't be meta defining

[hidden apex]

Don't make them good then

[trail nova]

Did I say everyone should get it?

[dawn nacelle]

the fuck happened to that

[opal python]

How? Because getting presents is easier than wisps?

[lavish chasm]

well all it really does is increase vanguard chance
it doesnt work as a pity unless its above the average amount you'd spend to get the vanguard unit

which is millions for gogeta

[dawn nacelle]

with the currency being more easily obtainable and vangaurd units being meta as hell

[opal python]

You are implying that more ppl should get it(with adding higher percentages)

[dawn nacelle]

seilo spoke on this topic in one of these threads

[dawn nacelle]

but i don't have it saved

[hidden apex]

They literally buffed diav cuz he wasn't a top 10

[opal python]

Ye cuz dan da dan update was the worst update of All time. So idk how it nullifies it if the game had Max 5k players during diavolo release

They had a garbage raid

And a 30 min

Lazy raid

[opal python]

Future vanguard units

Will also be "as easy" to get as gogeta

Cuz no way in hell they gonna make us sit through the same shi

[dawn nacelle]

are we serious, it nullfies there statment of vanguards being "units not everyone can obtain, they are collectable units for cosmetic"

[opal python]

With what they did with diavolo

[remote bear]

values 💔

as a mf with all 3 vanguards only the unemployed mfs cope about values

[trail nova]

I won't deny that. But more people ≠ "everyone." Please make that distinction.

My real beef isn't with rarity in and of itself. My beef is with bad game design. I see potential in Av to be better than it's competition (ALS, AV, AD), all 3 of which has turned into macaroni fest trading hub slop. Av has the potential to be better than that, not by fully removing rarity, but by making the players feel like their time and grind is respected. Soft pity alone won't kill macaroni's, but adding player friendly features like it in the future will help stave it off and make the game healthier.

[trail nova]

Real shit.

[opal python]

Bro gogeta and diavolo have the same percentage. How does it nullify it? The only Thing they changed is that its easier to get the currency. You guys are asking for higher percentages

[lavish chasm]

all it really does is promote more macra's

[hidden apex]

Trading is the fucking tumor of this game

[dawn nacelle]

tell me this, was gogeta not top meta when he released?

[opal python]

Tbf idk why you are mad. But ppl can be lucky and some cant

[opal python]

Ye?

[dawn nacelle]

and what did the devs say vangaurds were supposed to be?

[remote bear]

Whose mad??

all i said is the people who would be mad about value are just unemployed people

[trail nova]

I've argued this in the past- witholding QoL's just because Macaroni's benefit too is a weak excuse. People boot up macaroni's in the first place because of a lack of QoL anyways- it's a symptom of a larger problem. You are less inclined to makrew if you know your manual efforts won't be fruitless

[fervent adder]

Dont add a pity

[thorny zealot]

soft pity

[opal python]

Bro. I love anime vanguards. But its normal that there is a rarity that is unholy slim. Every game has it. But anime vanguards did it better than Aa. Cuz its "only" a 0,05 percent chance unlike the aizen odds

[dawn nacelle]

soft pity

[fervent adder]

still a pity

if you grind allot youll get a vanguard

[thorny zealot]

Yeah, what's wrong with that?

[dawn nacelle]

just because every game has it doesint mean its a good feature 💔

[thorny zealot]

Not necessarily

[lavish chasm]

eh it depends on the scaling whether it benefits natural grinding over macras

[dawn nacelle]

it just increases your odds for a vangaurd 💔

[opal python]

Ye diavolo Was their first one. He was broken in the lb back then and then straight up died. Idk why you forget that or if you even played during that time. But here we are

[dawn nacelle]

😡

[trail nova]

I'm glad we Agree that Av did it better.

But "Every game has it"? That tells me alot about the games you play... but even so, just because other games have it doesn't mean it's "right" or "ok." It just shows that predatory nonsense has been normalized.

[dawn nacelle]

he was good but not meta defining, what was gogeta? meta defining on his release. This complety contradicts there statment on making vangaurds units that don't define meta

[opal python]

How come so? Are you that triggered if ppl Praise the vanguard rarity. Cuz trading will come in the future and changing vanguard odds/making them go slightly higher

[lavish chasm]

all it does is increase vanguard chance unless the pity is above the average amount you would spend for the vanguard unit then its just a macra benefit

[remote bear]

how am i triggered??

[hidden apex]

Idk I'm gonna keep bumping suggestions like these whenever they arise Imma head out

[trail nova]

That I can't deny. I don't have any specific scaling numbers on me- though two great examples of natural grinding being favored are the SJW quest and worldlines :) devs somewhat cooked there- and I hope they lean more into natural grinding. It will set their game apart

[remote bear]

if you main concern about making the game more enjoyable is the value of a unit going down

you def unemployed

[shadow marsh]

this never getting added

[dawn nacelle]

value over qol

[shadow marsh]

just boosts mangos

[opal python]

I would agree with you if they did the same Thing Aa did with the unholy odds but the odds for the vanguard units in av are alright. I dont even got gogeta but i am alright with that cuz not everyone can get him either way. But beeing against those "good odds" av added is just crazy

[remote bear]

90% of the features in the game boost mangos though

[dawn nacelle]

what does'int at this point

[opal python]

Idk calling ppl unemployed doesnt Sound like a triggered Person?

[remote bear]

no?

[dawn nacelle]

no

[shadow marsh]

rich get richer if u add this

[hidden apex]

Mangos still exist bro

[remote bear]

and the poor would also get richer?

i mean it would directly help both parties

wouldnt the poor just stay poor if it wasnt added 😭

[dawn nacelle]

pretty much

[hidden apex]

Tryna make features that help regular players but doesn't help mango users is impossible

They literally play the same shit

[opal python]

Nah you straight up said diavolo was bad and i called you out on that. He was good in the start but died down. Same goes to gogeta He is good but not the top 1 in the game anymore. I Do agree that they said vanguards shouldnt be that good. But until now every vanguard unit was really good (in the start for example diavolo)

[hidden apex]

You'd need to make a mode like rifts where you can't even mango it

[opal python]

You can feed your own delusions then.

[lavish chasm]

unless you make modes that are prone to not being mangoed like worldlines (mostly) and rifts

[hidden apex]

Ye I said that afterwards

[opal python]

The qol is already there. Lower odds than aa🙏.

[remote bear]

wordline mangos are already coming out

[dawn nacelle]

when he released he was not even close to top 1 unit in the game. sure i may have exaggerated on my statment on diavlo but it does not change my point

[thorny zealot]

💀

[remote bear]

rifts are probably the only thing that wont be mangoed

[dawn nacelle]

dogshit --> less dogshit

[lavish chasm]

i know i've made one a while ago

[shadow marsh]

it gets broken almost every floor

[dawn nacelle]

like what

[remote bear]

wdym

they arent out

[hidden apex]

Gonna drop a game with a 1/800k drop would that make AA drops suddenly good?

[main marten]

uhhh yeah…no

[trail nova]

Explain please.

[lavish chasm]

mine works, till you hit infinite tsukuyomi or go above room 23~

[shadow marsh]

also the grind is already fair, gogeta is much easier to obtain than diavolo

[remote bear]

you can be better than the worse but still be bad

[opal python]

He was a must have lb unit. You legit had 0 clue about diavolo but still went straight up with the call "He was bad and they said vanguard units should be bad". While was really good when He released

[shadow marsh]

u cant be that lazy bro

it aint hard

[dawn nacelle]

just because hes a must have leaderboard unit does that make him top 1 meta?
pre evo sung jin woo is also a must have for leaderboard but hes far from top meta

[lavish chasm]

i have other stuff to do...

[remote bear]

this isnt a flex bro

[hidden apex]

Already told you to get a job today but I'm gonna reinforce that statement

[trail nova]

Doesn't mean it still can't be better than what it is

[remote bear]

you just have no life

[main marten]

vanguards are supposed to be rare and the pinnacle of endgame content, adding a soft pity no matter how much is lowering the value, I would understand if every vanguard was as hard to get as diavolo but they clearly are going down a path to make vanguards more obtainable to a wider player base

[shadow marsh]

1 hour a day for 5 days 😭

[opal python]

Nah both would be shit. Idk how you are comparing garbage with even more garbage.

[opal python]

This

[thorny zealot]

Scroll up a few messages lol

[lavish chasm]

4% of my day for 5 days tsk tsk tsk

[opal python]

Like i swear they gonna cry until they pull gogeta. I dont even got gogeta and i am alright with not having him

[hidden apex]

You're literally doing this with AA and AV rates tho the fuck

[opal python]

Cuz YOU CANT have

Every unit ingame

[shadow marsh]

ong bro, there is like 10 gogetas per diavolo

[thorny zealot]

They're still rare

[dawn nacelle]

not when that pinnacle of endgame content is litterly gambling

[main marten]

it’s a gacha game womp womp

if u don’t like it don’t play it

[lavish chasm]

monarch:

[hidden apex]

"pinnacle of endgame content" the content is doing portals for 2 months

[trail nova]

Value again. It's always Value. Value Value Value.

Before I crash out, I want to thank you for giving a somewhat measured reply. But man, it's Always. Value. That's something my opponents bring up consistently. I feel like people want an away-from-keyboard stock market instead of ...yknow- A Game to play. And that's the part that rubs me the wrong way.

[remote bear]

"pinnacle of endgame content" is a stretch

[main marten]

yeah probably not anymore since it’s in afk chamber now

[dawn nacelle]

traits have also been widly frowned opon

[main marten]

that proves my point further though

[hidden apex]

It never was endgame content

[shadow marsh]

tell me a rarer unit than diavolo 😭 (no shiny)

[hidden apex]

Lb units

[remote bear]

broly

[lavish chasm]

far bigger issue than this honestly

[hidden apex]

LB units are the units that you get from actual endgame content

[lavish chasm]

although they wouldnt kill their cash cow

[remote bear]

??

[hidden apex]

Also diavolo achieves ""pinnacle of endgame content"" by having a shit drop rate with no pity on a mode that gives you no currency

[shadow marsh]

you dont complain about not having him now do you

[hidden apex]

Dandadan raid itself I was literally doing it with people when I was lvl 30

[opal python]

Did i crash?

[dawn nacelle]

most gacha games have saftey nets to prevent you from losing to much

[trail nova]

I did too. Dunno what that was about. Anyways-

[dawn nacelle]

if theres not gonna be a hard pity add a damn soft pity

[remote bear]

server went out

[trail nova]

I'm not asking for every unit in the game. I'm asking for the grind not to feel like a hopeless spiral that compells me to l33ch portals instead of actively playing it. People are taking my stance and hyperbolizing it. I'm not fighting for "free vanguards", i'm fighting for a better, more player friendly game. Not handouts.

[shadow marsh]

U r tho

[lavish chasm]

my aura was too big

[shadow marsh]

Pity is handout 😭✌️

[dawn nacelle]

[remote bear]

i have all the vanguard units dwg

[dawn nacelle]

do you know what a soft pity is my dawg

[shadow marsh]

Same

[trail nova]

When the living fuck did I say "Every vanguard in the game should be free and super easy to get with no effort required."

Like bro read the end of the title

I deadass said

to keep them rare

[main marten]

vanguards are meant to be rare and feel good when obtained, adding a pity when you already can sit in afk chamber on multiple alts and do nothing just promotes botting, no one is complaining on gogetas rarity or how he’s hard to get because he’s not, you can sit in afk chamber and do absolutely nothing for a few days and have a fine shot at getting him, with how easy vanguards are to get right now I don’t see why soft pity is needed, may change in the future but not right now

[remote bear]

remove ts from afk chamber

idk why it was added

[remote bear]

afk chamber shouldve never been added LMAO

[shadow marsh]

Ur suggestion legit makes em less rarer 💀 higher chance to get = less rare

[trail nova]

That strengthens the remove presents from afk chamber view then

[tame jewel]

@dawn nacelle do u play av?