there's ur scale
#Buff alucard
lavish crescent
vapid pilot
Yeah well why don't I go step on a balance and tell you what it says since they're the same thing
Dipshit
vapid pilot
Sigh
lavish crescent
my diavolo goated
vapid pilot
Didn't even spell it right
lavish crescent
trogladyte balancing team
idgaf
yk what it means
so why does it matter
blah blah bah
get over it
vapid pilot
Blah blah blah when he's talking more than I am
lavish crescent
do u have diavolo?
vapid pilot
💔
vapid pilot
do u have diavolo?
Do u have a job?
lavish crescent
yes
vapid pilot
Do u have a shower head at home?
lavish crescent
yes
vapid pilot
🤔
vapid pilot
Nope
lavish crescent
ofc ur gonna complain abt the buff
vapid pilot
ofc ur gonna complain abt the buff
????
So what my opinion is invalidated because I don't have diavolo?
Looool
lavish crescent
ofc anyone who doesnt have diavolo is gonna cry abt him being op
98% of the ppl complaining dont have him
vapid pilot
98% of the ppl complaining dont have him
And why do you think that is hmmm?
lavish crescent
bc they jealous
vapid pilot
bc they jealous
No
lavish crescent
bc ur jealous
desert basalt
Tiny aoe
lavish crescent
and didnt get him
desert basalt
Diavolo
lavish crescent
he still the worst vanguard
desert basalt
Oc ass diavolo
lavish crescent
so idrc
desert basalt
Not even cannon
vapid pilot
and didnt get him
I didn't get him because he was ass and they buffed him after he went unobtainable
Can you understand how bullshit that is?
vapid pilot
Bet you cant
lavish crescent
his placement damage is the only good thing going on here
sjw and gogeta still better
queen adder
ofc u think its all about dmg
vapid pilot
sjw and gogeta still better
Straight up lie
lavish crescent
it isnt
desert basalt
Make speedwagon do 100 dps ahh change
lavish crescent
im staring at them on my screen
queen adder
i dont think people used him for placement dmg
lavish crescent
shit aoe
queen adder
people actually using 5k placement for early def?
vapid pilot
While also having a cc ability
desert basalt
Gogeta is lame
lavish crescent
ur only focusing on numbers rn bucko
vapid pilot
think abt his double damage
Forgot about that iwl
desert basalt
Also clone always has non buffed dmg
vapid pilot
Gogeta is lame
True!
lavish crescent
Forgot about that iwl
it isnt like super deep
out of the 3 hes still the worst
in the sense
they're all good
- sjw 2. gogeta 3. diavolo
purely bc this damage buff only affected how op he is on placement
vapid pilot
The biggest problem is that this goes against what they said about not buffing old characters
When they buffed sukuna it was only added dot
lavish crescent
The biggest problem is that this goes against what they said about not buffing o...
this is a one off ig he was a joke of a "vanguard"
vapid pilot
They just straight up pumped diavolo's numbers up
desert basalt
Sjw on placement still better cuz he just spawns 2 bears
lavish crescent
They just straight up pumped diavolo's numbers up
as theyu should
lavish crescent
a 0.004% unit
only being viable for an ability u can only use once
is straight bs
the buff is fine
main egret
The biggest problem is that this goes against what they said about not buffing o...
“Vanguard units won’t be meta”
I tend to not trust the devs much now
lavish crescent
“Vanguard units won’t be meta”
I tend to not trust the devs much now
they never said that
main egret
Means the same thing
queen adder
south blaze
minds got changed, I guess
desert basalt
Comparing diavolo to alucard, how badly it ended
queen adder
wasnt it like last month
when they said vanguard units are only gonna be from seasonal events
then we are out here with the new update with a permanently obtainable vanguard unit
south blaze
Diavolo didn't need a DPS buff
desert basalt
Wait
lavish crescent
A: He is a new rarity, above Secret. Vanguard units are essentially a limited-time secret, and so of course they will also be much rarer due to it. We don't expect most players to get this unit, much like Alocard--the game won't be balanced around these units, but are rather for the lucky players to have and brag about
desert basalt
Maybe they adding new rewind next update
queen adder
all he needed was a cc fix and less cooldown
desert basalt
So that's why they buff diavolo
queen adder
cc fix was already implemented
queen adder
the game won't be balanced around these units
lavish crescent
ye
ss
bc they're op
if it were balanced around it
you'd have a reason to complain abt him being op now
queen adder
who needs aoe on him
lavish crescent
me
queen adder
just set him to boss
lavish crescent
nah
queen adder
he deals more dmg to bosses anyway
queen adder
nah
queen adder
then dont
main egret
Set him to last and put him facing the spawn
desert basalt
Diavolo is the only vanguard with stun immunity also
loud trench
Diavolo is the only vanguard with stun immunity also
Thought sjw was stun immune
lavish crescent
he is
south blaze
bro didn't need a DPS buff
desert basalt
Doesn't even states it anywhere
loud trench
Doesn't even states it anywhere
Yeah I think it’s innate with unknown element
desert basalt
Oh fr?
lavish crescent
they said that i think
south blaze
devs aint beating the P2W allegations
desert basalt
All td games these days
tall crest
6k for stall is pretty high
tall crest
placement
queen adder
5k
tall crest
oh rlly?
south blaze
tbh Diavolo was perfectly balanced prior to getting buffed
queen adder
also
tall crest
i thought it was 6k
queen adder
tbh Diavolo was perfectly balanced prior to getting buffed
300s for rewind is kinda eh
south blaze
300s for rewind is kinda eh
only a problem for leaderboard runs
tall crest
tbh they shoulda focused on his stall potential
queen adder
and thats his entire point
tall crest
but i guess that'd be too op
queen adder
he shines best only in infinite
south blaze
if they wanted to buff him, make his ability cooldown a minute or two faster
south blaze
he didn't need a DPS buff
desert basalt
only a problem for leaderboard runs
Ain't that's enough for 1 rewind for each boss
queen adder
boss would get past most of your units by the time 5 minutes is done
i mean
another boss would spawn and there would still be like 1-2 minutes more on the cd
south blaze
Valentine needed a buff, not Diavolo
queen adder
10waves take less than 5 mins?
in higher waves
desert basalt
Well that's crazy then
desert basalt
Valentine needed a buff, not Diavolo
Valentine entire design is fumble
Clones should have been passive just like gissele
Ability was so unnecessary
south blaze
Valentine entire design is fumble
All he really needs is a damage buff and his ability be takedown based
Then he'd be on par with Frieren
desert basalt
The global limit won't make him good
Clones are pure garbage as of now
Its either passive clones or same thing as sjw vanguardwh
Its either passive clones or same thing as sjw vanguardwh
Where he gets bar to summon
tall crest
clones' only utility being dmg buff and it only lasts for 20 seconds 💔
feral cobalt
Valentine needs to get deleted for the mental anguish he has made me experience
desert basalt
Grinded for him thinking he will be as good as other secrets
vast galleon
Alucard is like lelouch from AA
feral cobalt
tbh Diavolo was perfectly balanced prior to getting buffed
Cc fix was all he needed alucard just doesn't have a role anymore
desert basalt
Valentine has same dps as Subaru or some shit
desert basalt
Pure dmg buff passive is weak
feral cobalt
The horrors
tall crest
dang i cant link the valentine buff suggestion
vast galleon
Atp just only go for vanguards since they wanna make a clear divide in dps between secret and vanguard
feral cobalt
Also his passives are ass to max
south blaze
Cc fix was all he needed alucard just doesn't have a role anymore
It also doesn't help that he's one of the rarest units in the game
tall crest
but love train should do more
desert basalt
Atp just only go for vanguards since they wanna make a clear divide in dps betwe...
Aizen and yhwach are deadass only units that can hold up against vanguards
feral cobalt
It also doesn't help that he's one of the rarest units in the game
1.2mil gems rn bro is nowhere
Yama
Yama is fucking nuts on mon
south blaze
yeah you’re never losing a match with him
queen adder
yama powercrept a patch later by vanguard jin woo
desert basalt
Normal Yama is total ass
queen adder
but hes still fire
feral cobalt
Yama does better than diavolo as a DPS
tall crest
yeah you’re never losing a match with him
worldlines 81 with windstorm and broken cc
queen adder
easy af to get giselle buff on yama
feral cobalt
yama powercrept a patch later by vanguard jin woo
Bigger powercreep was for illya tbh
queen adder
true
vast galleon
Aizen and yhwach are deadass only units that can hold up against vanguards
And you need a team of trash to make ywatch good 💔
queen adder
was ilya even good
loud trench
Bigger powercreep was for illya tbh
Still coping so hard over that
tall crest
And you need a team of trash to make ywatch good 💔
giselle
feral cobalt
was ilya even good
She was pretty good on monarch but sjw does everything better
south blaze
Beru being buggy is something that actually plays in his favor
vast galleon
was ilya even good
She’s good for worldlines and only worldlines
desert basalt
With monarch only
feral cobalt
Except cost
queen adder
how she good for worldlines
queen adder
What does she do?
3 placement becomes 9 units
feral cobalt
Still coping so hard over that
?
loud trench
She was pretty good on monarch but sjw does everything better
Traitless sjw is better than monarch illya
tall crest
What does she do?
he is 3 units in 1 good for yhwach
vast galleon
3 placement becomes 9 units
Might need to grind for her
desert basalt
But sjw makes Ilya a joke
vast galleon
he is 3 units in 1 good for yhwach
Forgot it’s a dude
feral cobalt
Traitless sjw is better than monarch illya
No lol
vast galleon
shes limited
I’ll get him
feral cobalt
Ye illya got crept hard by sjw
south blaze
But sjw makes Ilya a joke
Like Beru’s just a better Berserker
tall crest
Forgot it’s a dude
shhh dont touch that controversy im literally one warning away from being banned and i cant resist arguments
queen adder
10 rerolls everyday just from doing bounties + 2 from dailies (4 during weekends)
hella fire
queen adder
sjw should've been the next event vanguard
feral cobalt
Like Beru’s just a better Berserker
You get bear on placement too instead of spending 10k cash for it
queen adder
a unit this broken shouldnt be permanently obtainable AND guaranteed to get
feral cobalt
i mean in inf he is
In inf monarch is just less good + illya was always bad in inf who cares
amber bear
10 rerolls everyday just from doing bounties + 2 from dailies (4 during weekends...
which take 1 hour to do
queen adder
<:shockedcat:1331351996963491902> which take 1 hour to do
better than inf quests
30 minutes for 1 reroll
vast galleon
Uncensored bleach proves all arguments @tall crest have u seen what they told him
tall crest
Uncensored bleach proves all arguments <@604237445881659423> have u seen what th...
that infamous ss
feral cobalt
Miso beef at an affordable price
tall crest
You smell like..
you cant use that ss bc its fucking bannable here goddamn it
vast galleon
you cant use that ss bc its fucking bannable here goddamn it
Bahaha I would imagine
fading helm
Miso beef at an affordable price
desert basalt
Wait does choy have better dps than diavolo
tall crest
I stood tf away from that shit being handicapped from an argument bc of children
queen adder
is choi good?
tall crest
Wait does choy have better dps than diavolo
he can i think
loud trench
Let me find the screenshot
Almost the same dps except sjw has better utility, both have maxed passives
south blaze
a unit this broken shouldnt be permanently obtainable AND guaranteed to get
Nah meta units shouldn’t have a 1 in 20,000 chance to be obtained from a banner.
vast galleon
Almost the same dps except sjw has better utility, both have maxed passives
Mythic to a vanguard
tall crest
Almost the same dps except sjw has better utility, both have maxed passives
doesnt account for berserker summon
which is LOCAL
wait she's monarch nvm
amber bear
Almost the same dps except sjw has better utility, both have maxed passives
absolute humiliation
desert basalt
Ilya is local huh?
south blaze
Diavolo and Gogeta have the worst obtainment methods in the entire game
feral cobalt
Almost the same dps except sjw has better utility, both have maxed passives
Beru's hp?
desert basalt
Diavolo and Gogeta have the worst obtainment methods in the entire game
And now devs basically force you to grind for gogeta
Chz who knows if he will get 2x dmg buff or some shit
fading helm
Chz who knows if he will get 2x dmg buff or some shit
I doubt it
fading helm
Diavolo was buffed because he wasn’t on vanguard standerd
south blaze
Chz who knows if he will get 2x dmg buff or some shit
If they do that I’m quitting the game
tall crest
Diavolo and Gogeta have the worst obtainment methods in the entire game
tbh im scared of what would happen to my favorite characters bc they might be so op they become vanguard 😭
fading helm
Gogeta definitely meets that standerd already
desert basalt
Diavolo was buffed because he wasn’t on vanguard standerd
And after 3updates what they gonna do
south blaze
Vanguard units should be powercrept eventually
fading helm
And after 3updates what they gonna do
Diavolo was never vanguard standard
queen adder
he was vanguard in terms of support and utility
just reduce cooldown and we good
he dont need dmg
fading helm
Diavolo was the one who made vanguard standard
Gogeta was the one, the old vanguard standard was cosmetic only unit
south blaze
Diavolo didn’t need 10,000 DPS at level 60
feral cobalt
Idk people didn't think diav was a good unit cuz hurrdurr 300sec cd
south blaze
Devs should’ve just left Diavolo be after CC fix
fading helm
Idk people didn't think diav was a good unit cuz hurrdurr 300sec cd
Hurrdurr💔
tall crest
diavolo cc fix + 180s or 240s cooldown
200s cd
desert basalt
Add Giorno vanguard with better rewind than diavolo
queen adder
yeah he got 3x dmg
tall crest
that's how big they buffed his ass?
tall crest
wtf
tall crest
Which made his placement dps so goody
what's his placement dps
south blaze
Why infinite leaderboard is taken seriously is beyond me
queen adder
i dont lb but i want diavolo bc longer runs = more gems
tall crest
they shoulda nerf him a bit (after lb reset. The dmg is already done)
south blaze
If the devs wanted to buff Diavolos damage, just double it
south blaze
They wanted him to have highest raw dps
allat just for two rem & rams to have better DPS than one non-monarch Diavolo
atp his cost is keeping him from shattering this games balancing
desert basalt
Will devs make 1 vanguard per update now
Cuz like normal units will be weak compared to them
south blaze
not really sure, this games future is pretty uncertain
balancing this update was extremely questionable
lowk Vanguard SJW should get an SPA increase to his later attacks
💀
south blaze
All of SJWs nukes combined deal 2000% his damage
feral cobalt
He gets
The nukes way too early
Like even if jinwoo is weak he gets it like upgrade 3 or some shit
And igris already does way more than a saber nuke which you get at upgrade 6
And duo is duo
All of these are full aoe too
south blaze
Like have SJWs nuke deal 100%, Igris' deal 200%, and Duo deal 400%
feral cobalt
SJW coulda been held back by the single target nature of summons but they said na give him three full aoe nukes
south blaze
no wonder why wiki says hes broken
feral cobalt
His biggest flaw is the fact that he has no keybinds
tall crest
lowk Vanguard SJW should get an SPA increase to his later attacks
bro wanted a superpowered rem (she's already a superpowered vegeta)
lyric jetty
SJW coulda been held back by the single target nature of summons but they said n...
i'd be fine with him being single target and having the 3 nukes ngl
balancing in this update was very weird
south blaze
bro wanted a superpowered rem (she's already a superpowered vegeta)
I said an increase to SPA, not decrease
tall crest
His biggest flaw is the fact that he has no keybinds
you want to keybind allat abilities?
tall crest
I said an increase to SPA, not decrease
oh right increase is a nerf
queen adder
also
feral cobalt
Superpowered vegeta.. super... Vegeta...
sudden basin
PETITION TO MAKE A SECOND EVO ON ALUCARD
If sjw gets his double evo cuz of Solo Leveling season 2 and his underwhelming damage from his realease, they should do the same to Alucard even when the series he is in is old
queen adder
then s4 ends with antares
feral cobalt
you want to keybind allat abilities?
Yes
south blaze
**PETITION TO MAKE A SECOND EVO ON ALUCARD**
If sjw gets his double evo cuz of ...
fuck that I needa second evo for Valentine
tall crest
i feel like it'll end with the architect
Finally, song jinwoo (System)
sudden basin
Imo we dont need buffed Alucard, we need 2nd evo ON Alucard
feral cobalt
fuck that I needa second evo for Valentine
They made aged d4c a shiny I think we're cooked
sudden basin
fuck that I needa second evo for Valentine
And still circle aoe
sudden basin
fuck that I needa second evo for Valentine
What's bad about Valentine tho? He only deals horrendous damage at early upgrades
tall crest
fuck that I needa second evo for Valentine
nahhh he needs a rework
sudden basin
I just dont get the bad thing abt Valentine
south blaze
What's bad about Valentine tho? He only deals horrendous damage at early upgrade...
He costs 107K to max out
tall crest
his love train needs a rework like that one valentine rework suggestion
south blaze
clones do jack shit for how annoying they are to get
tall crest
turn him into utility
sudden basin
He costs 107K to max out
Good point there, petition to make his total cost to 70k+
Also gyro, bro costs 100k+ too
south blaze
Good point there, petition to make his total cost to 70k+
nah just make it worthwhile
have his clones deal 100% of his damage stat
tall crest
Also gyro, bro costs 100k+ too
tbf he's a mythic and with max buffs he's insane
sudden basin
have his clones deal 100% of his damage stat
Bro wants a gogeta like feature 😭
south blaze
Bro wants a gogeta like feature 😭
nah it's balanced out by the fact clone AOE is dogshit
tall crest
have his clones deal 100% of his damage stat
nah have a passive of the enemy clones dealing half the health of the original to the original
sudden basin
Btw if you picked King's Burden in Ant Raid, Valenmid's clone does more damage than him, i have done this in ddd raid before, i belive they haven't fixed it
tall crest
except bosses i guess
south blaze
Btw if you picked King's Burden in Ant Raid, Valenmid's clone does more damage t...
Yeah I remember valentine clones being wonky on DDD raid
tall crest
Btw if you picked King's Burden in Ant Raid, Valenmid's clone does more damage t...
pick exterminator smh
sudden basin
pick exterminator smh
No, king's burden heavily buffs his clone
vapid pilot
No, king's burden heavily buffs his clone
Wait does he outperform ichigo with his clones
sudden basin
Not to mention Valenmid can only place 1 clone with KB card
south blaze
funnily enough, his clones might actually be good for white ants
sudden basin
Wait does he outperform ichigo with his clones
He was like Gogeta in that card
sudden basin
funnily enough, his clones might actually be good for white ants
Finally a good use lmfao
Now try it
Use Valenmid in KB card at Ant Raid
south blaze
Finally a good use lmfao
mainly due to the fact clone aoe is 5 circle-AOE
tall crest
He was like Gogeta in that card
how much does his clones do
sudden basin
how much does his clones do
I remember mine in ddd raid, his clone does 15% more damage than him
south blaze
how much does his clones do
20% of his attack stat.
sudden basin
I sacrificed his stats so i no longer use him 
But, trust me
I know they haven't fixed it even after the update gaps
Again
Valenmid's clone in King's Burden card is heavily buffed
But you can only place 1 clone
Which makes sense since the card applies Monarch to every unit, even clones 
south blaze
also which tier list is better?
feral cobalt
also which tier list is better?
First
south blaze
if Ichigo ain't top tier, Saber's bottom of top tier
feral cobalt
Saber is overrated now but still
feral cobalt
Ichigo's passives are finicky
south blaze
She’s trash now
Rin's always been a good filler unit
feral cobalt
Also id switch alu's place with yama but shrug
south blaze
Also id switch alu's place with yama but shrug
alu's in top tier more for his support capabilities
feral cobalt
I wanna use yoruichi I didn't bother to Evo her
feral cobalt
alu's in top tier more for his support capabilities
Idk I js use kisuke
south blaze
I'm cool with making top tier more compact
feral cobalt
Ragna is still top tier tbf
No monarchs tier list so idk
Also I'm ngl
Yhwach over rem
bold lynx
I'm cool with making top tier more compact
yoruichi my beloved
feral cobalt
Yhwach is fucking crazy
south blaze
Rem's more flexible
sudden basin
I'm cool with making top tier more compact
Diavobald is still in support
feral cobalt
Yhwach's midgame is weak but has the strongest lategame here other than sjw
south blaze
Yama should be top tier
I'd probably put him at bottom of top tier
feral cobalt
Ye yama should go to top tier atleast
fickle ivy
I'd probably put him at bottom of top tier
Utility wise he should be behind sjw
winged zephyr
Rin's always been a good filler unit
Don’t know about that…
south blaze
I'm trying to keep top tier as compact as possible
fickle ivy
Long as bro gets kills he infinitely spawns clones
Can’t tell me that’s bottom of top tier
feral cobalt
Hold on I made a tl
fickle ivy
Definitely better than rem atleast
south blaze
Don’t know about that…
1,200 yen for +18% damage and +10% range
winged zephyr
Her only purpose is lb runs
fickle ivy
No
south blaze
Long as bro gets kills he infinitely spawns clones
if yama's summons can be spawned anywhere, then I'd agree with you
winged zephyr
You’ll never use her in br, tourney, wl, and the wave 15 game odds
feral cobalt
Includes monarchs
winged zephyr
Everyone use Subaru because he’s the better option
feral cobalt
Nuh uh
south blaze
screw that, use that 60K for other units
vast galleon
Rin is still the best buffer 💀
feral cobalt
Wounded app is perma
winged zephyr
Rin is still the best buffer 💀
No she isn’t
vast galleon
Everyone use Subaru because he’s the better option
He’s not
winged zephyr
💀
fickle ivy
if yama's summons can be spawned anywhere, then I'd agree with you
They can
feral cobalt
if yama's summons can be spawned anywhere, then I'd agree with you
Idk this doesn't hurt yama tho
fickle ivy
Yama summons is basically infinite arise
sudden basin
Includes monarchs
What rare luffy doing there?
vast galleon
What rare luffy doing there?
south blaze
https://tiermaker.com/create/anime-vanguards-tier-list-upd-45-15856660 if any of y'all wanna make a tier list, I got one that's fully updated
south blaze
I put Luffy in there for the memes
sudden basin
Got Sasuke Solar too, from banner
winged zephyr
Every summon other than sjw spawns at the back
Nah tbh
Yama will struggle to get kills
vast galleon
Got Sasuke Solar too, from banner
Rarer than monarch ❤️
sudden basin
Subaru 🗣️
winged zephyr
Cuz he need the final hit
feral cobalt
What rare luffy doing there?
Become his nakama
winged zephyr
Sjw doesn’t need to have the final hit to summon it
south blaze
I'll say you can rearrange haruka and subaru in here
sudden basin
Become his nakama
vast galleon
fickle ivy
Where is the struggle to get kills
feral cobalt
They just spawn at the back of your base
Enemies gonna have to walk the path eventually
fickle ivy
If anything it’s mad easy for him to kill steal because of the infinite burn 😭
sudden basin
Before i leave
GET DIAVOBALD'ED
vast galleon
Trait transfer when
south blaze
Yama will struggle to get kills
nah he's actually pretty good at getting kills
feral cobalt
Yama will struggle to get kills
^never used yama before
fickle ivy
Idk how you struggling to get kills with Yama ngl
😭
Has to be a major skill issue
Because as soon as they come in range they immediately take burn dmg and keep taking it
vast galleon
Yama seems overhyped for how low his dps is
fickle ivy
Yama seems overhyped for how low his dps is
Not abt dps
And if we really talking abt dps then his is technically infinite as long as he keeps getting kills
vast galleon
Literally easiest kill steal
Why kill steal when u can solo the entire thing
south blaze
Yama seems overhyped for how low his dps is
Yamamotos summons make him a pretty excellent boss killer (if you're gonna play the long game)
vast galleon
Yamamotos summons make him a pretty excellent boss killer (if you're gonna play ...
I would go for him but .75 is crazy especially considering I spent 180 runs trying to get igirs lol
feral cobalt
Yama seems overhyped for how low his dps is
Skeletons are the best boss killers
He gets so many skeletons he isn't held back by them being st
Skeletons getting kills also spawns skeletons
south blaze
yamamoto doesn't need to be fully upgraded either
fickle ivy
You buff him with haruka and everything
feral cobalt
He got a good upgrade tree too
fickle ivy
yamamoto doesn't need to be fully upgraded either
You saying all this abt Yama and he’s behind esdeath and not even top tier 💀
This shit tragic
south blaze
You saying all this abt Yama and he’s behind esdeath and not even top tier 💀
esdeath's the best timestop unit in the game
incredible CC unit
vast galleon
I can’t figure out how to make esdeath good since there’s no good passion or water units
Besides her ts
fickle ivy
esdeath's the best timestop unit in the game
Hell nah
Gojo is
60 second 10 second time stop
Nothing beating that bro
I’m sorry
south blaze
Esdeath's cheaper
fickle ivy
She’s definitely second best
fickle ivy
Esdeath's cheaper
So what
Just time stop he’s better
Best in the game
Esdeath n2 and dio is just
Ngl I’d say dio is n1
south blaze
outside of leaderboard runs, you aren't gonna use timestop more than once
fickle ivy
Being able to stop the whole map for 15 seconds is insane
fickle ivy
outside of leaderboard runs, you aren't gonna use timestop more than once
No💀
Don’t you do tournaments and shit
She’s not best time stop but she’s better than Gojo
tall crest
He gets so many skeletons he isn't held back by them being st
the skeletons are busy holding back my framerate
fickle ivy
Better passives and shit
south blaze
I mainly just play tournaments for free trait rrs
feral cobalt
the skeletons are busy holding back my framerate
On that 8 fps
south blaze
atp I'll probably replace Esdeath with Diavolo
fickle ivy
Lowkey
south blaze
because of his damage buff
fickle ivy
Top tier should be sjw/diavolo/yama/then the others
Prolly put esdeath after Yama
Saber then gogeta
Bc she’s lowkey a better gogeta
I die on this hill
south blaze
trying to keep top tier to eight units max
feral cobalt
Need esdeath's buff to actually work
fickle ivy
Saber fr be the capitalism unit
If you have enough money she’s the best dps in the game
Better than all of them
If not then she’s just top tier dps
south blaze
Saber's only held back by her costing 80K to use excalibur
south blaze
yeah
fickle ivy
If you got the cash best dps in the game
Literally nothing is better than her
If not she’s just top tier dps
south blaze
bottom of meta support
she's basically just F2P buff unit
this is my full tier list
feral cobalt
Get fubuki before it's too late people... 🧑🌾
winged zephyr
bottom of meta support
she doesnt attack right
winged zephyr
Get fubuki before it's too late people... 🧑🌾
why
south blaze
she doesnt attack right
correct
loud trench
Beru's hp?
Double of berserkers
winged zephyr
ok w
bold lynx
this is my full tier list
frieren 💔
south blaze
Orehime's just a W unit for stat transfers
bold lynx
i know
south blaze
her damage output can be pretty impressive though
loud trench
Double of berserkers
Only advantage she has over traitless SJW is that shes like 40k cheaper and you can place berserker anywhere
feral cobalt
Berserker landing an attack is more likely tbf
south blaze
Because of how buggy Beru is, he's actually more reliable than Berserker
winged zephyr
Berserker landing an attack is more likely tbf
its based on her spa
feral cobalt
Is it
tall crest
yeah
feral cobalt
I thought berserker had his own spa
Cuz the difference from attack 2 to 3 is pretty massive
tall crest
i was gonna say his atk his 2x ilya's but it was actually his health
loud trench
i was gonna say his atk his 2x ilya's but it was actually his health
Pretty sure his attack is 1:1 with his hp though
feral cobalt
It is yes
tall crest
rlly?
tall crest
proof
loud trench
Its just distributed because its a multihit
south blaze
crazy to think people will use Ethereal or Deadeye over Monarch for SJW in leaderboard runs
winged zephyr
crazy to think people will use Ethereal or Deadeye over Monarch for SJW in leade...
deadeye is better than monarch
lb wise
33% difference
tall crest
crazy to think people will use Ethereal or Deadeye over Monarch for SJW in leade...
yeah it's insane why would you use ethereal instead of deadeye
winged zephyr
and sjw doesnt need to kill enemies in order to use arise or any other summons
assist count towards it
which makes deadeye even more op
south blaze
yeah it's insane why would you use ethereal instead of deadeye
I didn't say ethereal is better
loud trench
Do his summons still do % scaling
tall crest
yes
feral cobalt
Arise does yeah
south blaze
Arise summons get 10% enemy HP scaling
feral cobalt
Everything else scales like berserker
tall crest
wait
loud trench
The vanguard version?
feral cobalt
Yes
tall crest
can you use vanguard sjw and mythic sjw?
loud trench
bro wtf
winged zephyr
can you use vanguard sjw and mythic sjw?
yah
tall crest
insane
feral cobalt
Gotta get another key and get a non monarch sjw before they patch the beru part ngl
outer shale
can you use vanguard sjw and mythic sjw?
you cant use them on the same team
gotta have someone else bring the other one
tall crest
Gotta get another key and get a non monarch sjw before they patch the beru part ...
wait i thought it's patched
outer shale
pretty sure it is
feral cobalt
They said it's patched it wasn't
I got the bug well after they said it was patched
Dk if it's still up tho
Been a couple of days
winged zephyr
no
Its cuz for some reason it stil counts when u dont have the key yet
outer shale
I got the bug well after they said it was patched
when was the first dungeon you did tho
before or after the fix
feral cobalt
No I didn't do 50 beru kills lol
tall crest
DIOGO FROM ANIME VANGUARDS!?
feral cobalt
when was the first dungeon you did tho
before or after the fix
First dungeon I did was before the fix p sure
outer shale
yea then you had the bug before the fix
winged zephyr
DIOGO FROM ANIME VANGUARDS!?
game is out?
outer shale
anyone who did a dungeon before the fix got the bug pretty sure
feral cobalt
Deep rooted bug lmfao
tall crest
I got the bug well after they said it was patched
i have to do the beru quest 😭
feral cobalt
Was worth staying up for the update then
outer shale
its cuz it counts the beru kills even before getting key
and bug made 1 kill complete it
and wiping people's quest progress would make ppl real mad
tall crest
its cuz it counts the beru kills even before getting key
and bug made 1 kill com...
ohhh
feral cobalt
I might not bother tbh I'm not gonna be doing inf LBs lol
But this update's content ran dry in 3 days
Might as well
south blaze
LOL
outer shale
worse than kisuke is a crazy statement
south blaze
nah, Kisuke's just a poor mans Alucard
feral cobalt
Y'all gotta use that guy more
outer shale
he does nothing better than alu besides stunning enemies on the first hit on them
loud trench
Difference is that alucard is early FAoe bleed + wounded
outer shale
pretty sure it does
feral cobalt
It does
feral cobalt
he does nothing better than alu besides stunning enemies on the first hit on the...
For only the knowledgeable know the boundless strength within kisuke
outer shale
loud trench
For only the knowledgeable know the boundless strength within kisuke
Excellent griefing unit
You place 1 kisuke and it blinds everyone in a ten mile radius because of his model
pallid igloo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1322006993468395540.gif?size=64&animated=true&...
u think my suggestion gonna get accepted real
outer shale
what one is yours
winged zephyr
For only the knowledgeable know the boundless strength within kisuke
if I use 2 alts
am I getting extra shadow trace?
feral cobalt
Mr.malfunctioning face
feral cobalt
if I use 2 alts
am I getting extra shadow trace?
I have no idea
But
90% sure it would work
winged zephyr
damn I got so many shit to grind in av
outer shale
i dont think it gives extra evo items
winged zephyr
enemy index/evo yhwch/sjw
feral cobalt
Never did the legend stages with a squad post 2.0
winged zephyr
and those achievements
sand flower
if I use 2 alts
am I getting extra shadow trace?
No, I'm pretty sure it only works for gems/coins
lime wind
For only the knowledgeable know the boundless strength within kisuke
Kisuke is a poor alucard
sudden pagoda
kisuke a cheap knockoff
orchid zephyr
For only the knowledgeable know the boundless strength within kisuke
LMFAO
vapid pilot
also which tier list is better?
ichigo being above yama is pure cope
blissful linden
also which tier list is better?
The left one
Saber should be above Aizen tho
And gogeta
Yhwach is easily over rem
too
plush hill
Yhwach is easily over rem
saber is worse than ram and yhwch?
ancient timber
Saber is pretty ehh rn
The only reasons to use her was her nuke,even that is outclassed by sjw now
south blaze
What’s funny
this suggestion got like 3,700 messages on it now
main egret
The only reasons to use her was her nuke,even that is outclassed by sjw now
Just because there are better units doesn’t make saber ehh
She’s still an incredible dps
And in upgrade 1-5 a strong support with repulse
distant tundra
Real
fickle ivy
Saber the capitalism unit
If you have enough money she’s the best dps in the game
If you don’t have enough money she’s a top tier dps
👍
lunar crow
ancient timber
She’s still an incredible dps
True but ehh competitively,shes pretty much replaced by units
I don't see a reason to use her over aizen and sjw
But yea she is solid
vapid pilot
Saber is pretty ehh rn
if saber is ehh then ichigo is in the fucking trenches
💔
i will not stop pushing the ichigo hate agenda
actual ass when hes the mc of one of the big 3
haughty edge
actual ass when hes the mc of one of the big 3
My ichigoat does over 40k dps
vapid pilot
My ichigoat does over 40k dps
wanna see the stats of a monarch ichigo with godly spa godly dmg after his ability damage boost wears off and 2 stocks are lost?
haughty edge
wanna see the stats of a monarch ichigo with godly spa godly dmg after his abili...
Its solid around 27k ish
Ngl for 48k money its very good
vapid pilot
i hate ichigo savior
they better give him a second evolution where he uses true bankai
vapid pilot
nope
haughty edge
All places goes to ichigoat
vapid pilot
a single ethereal kenpachi outdpses ichigo monarch double godly without any stocks lost
or not outdpses but comes damn close to
vapid pilot
90k
vapid pilot
270k for all three
vapid pilot
@fading helm whats your best anime
fading helm
<@520037345622228992> whats your best anime
um
controversal pick
Monogatari
either that or mushoku tensei
haughty edge
Bruh
fading helm
well its just my favorite
haughty edge
Fair
fading helm
best anime would go to something like frieren or full metal
since they have an actual rating
haughty edge
Steinsgate ontop
sudden basin
lime wind
who the hell pinged me
winged zephyr
if saber is ehh then ichigo is in the fucking trenches
Ichigo actually has more uses than saber
Saber does not
lime wind
Ichigo actually has more uses than saber
ichigo requires stocks
kinda ass
good dps but basically cripples you
winged zephyr
ichigo requires stocks
better than saber
as a unit in general
ichigo got potential to be meta in the future with his passives
Saber is just close to getting outclassed
5 units already has more dps than saber with her nuke activated 💔
6* actually
lime wind
saber is only put at the top of the tier list because of the meta early support and the meta late defense, ichigo only has one of those
winged zephyr
saber is only put at the top of the tier list because of the meta early support ...
And nobody is saying Saber trash
We're just saying Ichigo is a better unit than her overall
due to his passives and the potential in the future
you could argue saber is already out of meta
lime wind
Dont buff Alucard, make him a 2nd evo
alucard just needs a buff he already has good passives just a dps buff
sudden basin
Mfs still use Monarch Naruto, the M in Monarch means Meta
winged zephyr
her only purpoes is lb runs but then again
lime wind
she's no longer used for tourney, or br
yeah for you
winged zephyr
6 units still has more dps than saber with nuke activated
winged zephyr
yeah for you
"for you"
yk there's a tourney for br right?
you won't get any of it if you want to use saber
it only takes a day to get sjw
i guarantee you the strat will be sjw only
w
lime wind
"only takes a day"
winged zephyr
"only takes a day"
yeah?
it's true
ask the question helpers if u wnt
ngl idk why ur arguing holy shit its kinda getting annoying
winged zephyr
you literally replied back to me
because youre spreading
misinformation
for the community to hear about
that's not allowed in here,
lime wind
exactly what misinformation?
i said saber was meta and half of the server agrees with that most likely more
winged zephyr
i said saber was meta and half of the server agrees with that most likely more
i don't see that,
where do I see people agreeing with you?
none of us here said saber was trash either
we only mentioned that saber only has one purpose
meanwhile ichigo has 3+ purposes
and may have another one depending on how odyessy works
lime wind
ichigo relies on stocks to boost his damage but his ability is for only one ichigo meanwhile saber has 3 nukes each with seperate cooldowns
dealing +300% damage for 3 ticks
winged zephyr
ichigo relies on stocks to boost his damage but his ability is for only one ichi...
saber's nuke is no longer good
lime wind
total of +900% for each nuke
winged zephyr
she's no longer meta for tourney, br, and wl
fervent terrace
why are people using this as a general 😭
winged zephyr
no need for saber anymore when sjw does it already
with better nukes + better kit
saber's only purpose is lb runs
but that's every 1.5 update
lime wind
why are people using this as a general 😭
general has a 5 hour cooldown
winged zephyr
so what's the poitn of using saber?
ichigo is actually meta for br
same for wl
due to his cheap coe
wl is story income so he's one of the perfect units for it
fervent terrace
general has a 5 hour cooldown
oh ok
lime wind
ichigo is actually meta for br
nice, i don't see the point in arguing about pixels good night
ancient timber
if saber is ehh then ichigo is in the fucking trenches
Ichigo can be useful,he's not entirely replaced by stuff❤️
For example sukuna boss rush tournament
And this jeju raid
And he's cheap af
And who knows his passive may come in handy in future gamemodes
vast galleon
Nerf alucard his 60k monarch dmg is to much he NEEDs to be nerfed 😔
half moth
Yeah buff alucard please
lavish crescent
Nerf alucard his 60k monarch dmg is to much he NEEDs to be nerfed 😔
bleed
sudden basin
hate it when ppl js look at numbers
If he deals 60k on monarch
If you add bleed and wounded buffs
He deals like total of 90k
Like i said before, bleed units tend to be weaker
sudden basin
I think they avoid Bleed units being meta dps cuz they negate regen from enemies by applying bleed
lavish crescent
I think they avoid Bleed units being meta dps cuz they negate regen from enemies...
yeah exactly
ppl only looking at numbers
sudden basin
So alucard is still good the way he is imo
lavish crescent
even then they dont rlly need to buff him
sudden basin
Kisuke deals more damage than him but he is circle
lavish crescent
its been 8 updates ofc his damage is gonna fall outta meta
sudden basin
I can smell someone saying "How about Diavolo? He deals insane damage. He so OP. They should revert their buff on him. His ability was OP"
They forget that he is Vanguard unit
sudden basin
I can say that at least he now better than most secret units
lavish crescent
as he should be
sudden basin
its js his placement damage that is CRAZY
Cuz he is 6 upgrades and it benefits him the most cuz he is cosmic element
lavish crescent
Cuz he is 6 upgrades and it benefits him the most cuz he is cosmic element
yeah
and it doesnt scale to when u max upg him
blissful linden
buff alucard
lavish crescent
this buff is fine 98% of the ppl saying it wasnt needed are people who dont have him
sudden basin
If they make him 12 upgrades, damage and upgrade cost will be halved
sudden basin
They want him to be 15k+ placement damage with Monarch
And jump to 100k after upgrade
lavish crescent
with 6 upgrades
15k monarch placement damage
as a vanguard unit
thats what they want
js jealous bc they dont have him
sudden basin
There are fewer Diavolo owners than Gogemid anyway so...
Meh maybe buff alucard by reducing his total cost
sudden basin
Yes
lavish crescent
and pair him with sukuna for the cleave
sudden basin
Can do the same with Sukuna but
Unbound element is one of the best element
Than curse
That's all
blissful linden
There are fewer Diavolo owners than Gogemid anyway so...
"Gogemid" 💔
sudden basin
"Gogemid" 💔
Dont forget "Sung Jin Mid"
blissful linden
Dont forget "Sung Jin Mid"
The best unit in the game is NOT mid 💔
sudden basin
-# (edited)
maiden galleon
W bait
maiden galleon
All I want for alucard is something like a better choso
I’ll be satisfied with that
lavish crescent
or just cope
its bbeen 8 updates ofc his damage is gonna be outdated
thats how tower defense games work
maiden galleon
its bbeen 8 updates ofc his damage is gonna be outdated
Check #「📚」update-log
lavish crescent
diavolo's damage was never good
blissful linden
buff alucard
blissful linden
diavolo's damage was never good
he had decent dps
pretty bad for his cost but it was decent
lavish crescent
nah they wont
half moth
Buff Alucard
half moth
nah they wont
bro too biased I bet you don’t have him 💔
half moth
dont uase him
Why???
half moth
idk i got different teams
because he’s not that good anymore so you replaced him with other teams 💔
lavish crescent
because he’s not that good anymore so you replaced him with other teams 💔
no hes on my teams
also that kinda happens u cant expect units to be good forever
half moth
also that kinda happens u cant expect units to be good forever
That’s why he needs the buff
lavish crescent
he doesnt tho
look at lulu in aa
so much rarer than alucard
i dont see ppl begging for him to get buffed
same premise
different games
i wouldnt mind an alucard buff
its clear tho that he doesn't need one
half moth
alright bro let’s see what happens
remote hearth
ur kindaaaa forgeting the fact that he is second cheapest full aoe and also second cheapest full aoe bleed AND he gives a +20% dmg buff to all units AND he has summons that lower his spa
soft pecan
i dont see ppl begging for him to get buffed
because there are better option 💀
wide lagoon
ur kindaaaa forgeting the fact that he is second cheapest full aoe and also seco...
ur kindaaaaa forgetting I don’t care, I’m asking for a little dmg buff not the second coming of christ lil pipsqueak
remote hearth
ur kindaaaaa forgetting I don’t care, I’m asking for a little dmg buff not the s...
hes support tho thats like saying luce needs a dmg buff
and if u disagree he gives a higher buff than hakura, a unit built for support
plush hill
ur kindaaaaa forgetting I don’t care, I’m asking for a little dmg buff not the s...
It's hard to imagine what goes through your head when you ask for something like that. Rather than doing bff damage to support, which is a meta all the time, Alucard has never lost relevance. Diavolo lost, there were better choices Aizen, Gojo, Еsdes. So he started getting taken a lot less and that's why he got the buff. and Alucard doesn't need it, what do you think will happen if you give a damage buff and so Meta the game? What would happen to the balance?
rocky bear
Why would they buff Alucard?
lavish crescent
Why would they buff Alucard?
EXACTLY
void turtle
Why would they buff Alucard?
Literally no reason to at all
Never getting buffed at any point
feral cobalt
Why would they buff Alucard?
He fucking sucks what else
vocal jackal
Why would they buff Alucard?
Buff
remote hearth
Gojo is
trash timestop because its only in range + ezdeath doesnt get cc sold by regnaw]
also diogos timestop is very good as well because full map
fickle ivy
trash timestop because its only in range + ezdeath doesnt get cc sold by regnaw]
Neither does Gojo 💀 literally fixed cc
Also esdeath used to get her shit sold my ragna
remote hearth
and diavlo is best aside from cooldown
fickle ivy
Also also they both stop time for the same amount and it’s only in range for both 💀
His literally just has a cooldown twice as short
Best time stop
remote hearth
Neither does Gojo 💀 literally fixed cc
yea exept gojo is trash now on
behalf of dps