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#Buff alucard
wide lagoon
south blaze
Like the only buff I'd give to Rengoku is to give him access to purgatory flames on his second attack
south blaze
That as well
wide lagoon
Considering burn isn’t as strong as bleed in the sense that it doesn’t really do anything but do dmg compared to bleed that does dmg and stops regen, why not just make a double evo for rengoku or make him full AoE and buff his dmg a lil bit, since Yamamoto exists it wouldn’t be too broken, first burn support unit which rengoku was supposed to be yk?
And considering rengoku would only be buffing burn units it doesn’t seem too OP
blissful linden
Alright
unborn nova
Considering burn isn’t as strong as bleed in the sense that it doesn’t really do...
nah just make a new one
lets not double evo unob units
wide lagoon
Fair
unborn nova
coming from a guy who has rengoku btw
crystal zenith
what would bro’s double evo be
unborn nova
what would bro’s double evo be
slayer mark or sum idk
crystal zenith
If they don’t double evo exclusives so many units will be lost to time 💔
well
Im not sure who else can get one
unborn nova
If they don’t double evo exclusives so many units will be lost to time 💔
most exclusives so far been ASS
crystal zenith
❤️
unborn nova
and i dont expect wordline units/bp units to get a second evo
wide lagoon
Toji’s always gonna be useful so that’s good
south blaze
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
crystal zenith
Only buff I can see is what yung said
crystal zenith
make his fire buff apply on his 2nd atk
unborn nova
my goat 💔
wide lagoon
💔
crystal zenith
Akaza should lowkey be off the tier list
unborn nova
It's depressing, I know
my first monarch 💔
crystal zenith
why did they make akaza so ass
south blaze
lowk gonna throw itadori back
crystal zenith
but tengen so BROKEN
unborn nova
but tengen so BROKEN
tengen was cool
akaza was meh
maybe cause i watched the anime THEN read the manga
crystal zenith
he was the best unit in the game cause igris got nerfed
wide lagoon
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
Why is Yamamoto in A tier and not S
south blaze
Why is Yamamoto in A tier and not S
SJW stole his aura
unborn nova
Why is Yamamoto in A tier and not S
he aight without monarch
wide lagoon
Ngl if sjw was full AoE I woulda like creamed myself
crystal zenith
hell no
unborn nova
Ngl if sjw was full AoE I woulda like creamed myself
mods ban this guy
hes being weird
crystal zenith
3 nukes and full aoe
south blaze
also his summons can only be spawned at the very back of the track, which hurts him alot
wide lagoon
😭🙏
wide lagoon
also his summons can only be spawned at the very back of the track, which hurts ...
I think that’s intentional
He’s more of a trap unit than a summon unit
south blaze
I think that’s intentional
yeah and it hurts him. I'd keep him in top tier if you were able to control where you spawned them
crystal zenith
also his summons can only be spawned at the very back of the track, which hurts ...
that and his ability is
rlly ass
❤️
wide lagoon
Like Usopp from AA
crystal zenith
they need to make it where you can activate it again and they start walking
wide lagoon
I kinda like it considering it like vaporizes anything and if they leak the summons eat the mf alive, makes him unique
lavish crescent
diavolo is a vanguard who had horrible damage numbers and was only used for lb runs, all they did was balance him with the other vanguards
wide lagoon
Would be cool to control where they summon tho
wide lagoon
diavolo is a vanguard who had horrible damage numbers and was only used for lb r...
With that logic they should balance Alucard with the other secrets, same with igris god rest his soul…
lavish crescent
alucard is still best bleed support and still super useable
lavish crescent
With that logic they should balance Alucard with the other secrets, same with ig...
no
crystal zenith
alucard is still best bleed support and still super useable
we need to replace him
❤️
lavish crescent
vanguard
lavish crescent
we need to replace him
exactly they’re just gonna replace with a new bleed meta
crystal zenith
good
lavish crescent
Bluds rebuttal is “no *vanguard*”
i don’t see ppl in aa spamming “BUFF LULU BUFF LULU”
crystal zenith
With that logic they should balance Alucard with the other secrets, same with ig...
Just give igris his old passives and make new sjw buff him
in everything
wide lagoon
Also isn’t alucard a vanguard but isn’t tradable in another way of looking at it?
crystal zenith
😭 🙏
wide lagoon
exactly
crystal zenith
alucard is still meta
lavish crescent
exactly
wide lagoon
Yk who else was a release unit
crystal zenith
hes a bleed support
wide lagoon
And got a pretty sick double evo?
crystal zenith
thats his job
wide lagoon
💀
crystal zenith
Alucard not getting replaced unless we getting chainsaw man upd
if we do it gonna be a lot of bleed
lavish crescent
i won it with the lulu point
crystal zenith
❤️
wide lagoon
Devs literally compared vanguards to the banner secret but literally said they’re tradable
wide lagoon
Exactly why I’m making a suggestion post
crystal zenith
Who knows
wide lagoon
To try and get the dev’s attention
crystal zenith
said future upds
wide lagoon
Look at his dmg and compare it to other secrets
crystal zenith
not now
lavish crescent
ur only focusing on damage ofc you’d say this if ur only looking at that
crystal zenith
Old unit and hes still being used today
crystal zenith
hes putting up aa escanor’s numbers
wide lagoon
And there was a need to buff a unit nobody has?
lavish crescent
it’s the balance team
unborn nova
I’m literally asking for a slight dmg boost ofc
but wouldnt just make him a requirement again?
lavish crescent
And there was a need to buff a unit nobody has?
tons of ppl have diavolo
unborn nova
tons of ppl have diavolo
hi you called?
lavish crescent
yeah
wide lagoon
tons of ppl have diavolo
Not rlly but sure lil bro
lavish crescent
they do
crystal zenith
Rlly?
lavish crescent
event was out for ages
lavish crescent
he ain’t aizen
lavish crescent
it was dead
that’s their fault for not playing it
wide lagoon
Not as many have him compared to Gogeta
lavish crescent
gogeta still better?
lavish crescent
he’s still worst vanguard
unborn nova
gogeta still better?
two diff use cases though
lavish crescent
agreed
wide lagoon
Diavolo buff won’t save his pick rate
lavish crescent
diavolo js puts up crazy placement numbers
unborn nova
Diavolo buff won’t save his pick rate
yeah i have him but still dk if im using him unless i get monarch
lavish crescent
yeah i have him but still dk if im using him unless i get monarch
same
lyric jetty
yeah i have him but still dk if im using him unless i get monarch
any vanguard is only rlly usable if monarch
unborn nova
which seems to be a trend with vangaurd units ( other than jinwoo)
lyric jetty
unborn nova
any vanguard is only rlly usable if monarch
yeah i said that
wide lagoon
yeah i have him but still dk if im using him unless i get monarch
You could say that for most units tbh but Diavolo is ass without monarch 💔
Also why not give vanguards evos?
crystal zenith
Yea but
lyric jetty
Also why not give vanguards evos?
because
wide lagoon
Seems dumb
unborn nova
the monarch being a must to replace someone on your team is a problem with them though
everytime i hate on vanguard units i get even more reason to hate them
lyric jetty
everytime i hate on vanguard units i get even more reason to hate them
there should be a limit to how many you can have equipped tbh
lyric jetty
maxing a gogeta and diavolo witjout monarch is like using igris
diavolo was excusable in paragon
nowadays dont even bother using him without monarch
unborn nova
maxing a gogeta and diavolo witjout monarch is like using igris
exactly for a unit you have to grind so much for is insane
time and effort and then you need an even further time sink
lyric jetty
time and effort and then you need an even further time sink
1 in 20k gamble
then another 1 in 1k gamble
lavish crescent
time and effort and then you need an even further time sink
i mean he still does numbers like u don’t NEED monarch it’s just better with it
unborn nova
i mean he still does numbers like u don’t NEED monarch it’s just better with it
unfortunately in some game modes its just a waste of a slot
crystal zenith
def not dungeons
blissful linden
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
Move uryu down to D tier
south blaze
Move uryu down to D tier
nah, he's used to redirect boss attacks
south blaze
make a tier below d just for uryu
nuh uh
blissful linden
Honestly he doesnt even deserve to be on the tl
south blaze
if he couldn't redirect boss attacks, he wouldn't be on the TL
blissful linden
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
Why is Vegeta so high in c tier
He's pretty bad
south blaze
Why is Vegeta so high in c tier
Archer's doing heavylifting
lyric jetty
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
karem that low specially when you can combo him with yamamoto is crazy
south blaze
He'd be in D tier if it wasn't for him
lyric jetty
full aoe freeze on every attack
blissful linden
Archer's doing heavylifting
Aint none using Vegeta with Archer
south blaze
full aoe freeze on every attack
too bad it's extremely expensive
lyric jetty
too bad it's extremely expensive
ehh
blissful linden
simplified TL, threw Igris to D tier, threw Medusa to middle of C tier
Make support tiers
south blaze
Make support tiers
nah I'm keeping it simple
crystal zenith
karem that low specially when you can combo him with yamamoto is crazy
it’s sad
I like karem’s passives
blissful linden
nah I'm keeping it simple
Why
crystal zenith
but he right he cost a shit ton
lyric jetty
I like karem’s passives
hes a good support im ngl
south blaze
Why
if I made meta support and put Alucard there, people would lose their fucking minds
blissful linden
if I made meta support and put Alucard there, people would lose their fucking mi...
Why
Hes meta support
blissful linden
bc ppl think alucard is ass
None does
crystal zenith
which is SUPPORT
south blaze
Hes meta support
because ppl will glaze and say he's top tier
blissful linden
because ppl will glaze and say he's top tier
I mean they aint wrong he's one of the best supports
Just a support though
winged zephyr
they only look at his dmg
This is completely wrong
I promise u nobody is saying Alucard is ass due to him having low DPs
He’s just ain’t
blissful linden
because ppl will glaze and say he's top tier
Make support tiers
winged zephyr
The goat like he used to be back then
blissful linden
Itll greatly improve ur tl
winged zephyr
His only purpose is lb runs,
crystal zenith
I promise u nobody is saying Alucard is ass due to him having low DPs
does tiktok count
i seen a lot of comments there
winged zephyr
does tiktok count
No because majority of the community doesn’t use TikTok for information
crystal zenith
You right
Those people are stupid
Seen someone say sjw is ass
bc his dps is low
💀
blissful linden
bc his dps is low
What's his dps
crystal zenith
ion
But they look at everything but their passibes
passives*
and other things
south blaze
Itll greatly improve ur tl
I'll say, alot of people put those in TLs
blissful linden
Run is trash
run
winged zephyr
Rin
crystal zenith
Subaru is just better
south blaze
blissful linden
Move alucard down to meta support
south blaze
Move alucard down to meta support
that sounds pretty funny ngl
ppl will lose their shit
crystal zenith
https://tenor.com/view/naruto-ultimate-ninja-storm4-orochimaru-4tails-four-tails...
bro shooting out nukes
blissful linden
ppl will lose their shit
It aint wrong tho
crystal zenith
😭
blissful linden
that sounds pretty funny ngl
Keep alucard in top tier and just add another one to the support tier
south blaze
Keep alucard in top tier and just add another one to the support tier
prolly throw Haruka Rin there
blissful linden
prolly throw Haruka Rin there
Can you send the link to the tl
south blaze
https://tiermaker.com/create/anime-vangaurd-units-17619858?presentationMode=false Doesn't have all the units however I can make another one tonight
blissful linden
https://tiermaker.com/create/anime-vangaurd-units-17619858?presentationMode=fals...
I'll just make my own
Thats outdated asf
P sure its only got units up to upd 2
south blaze
I was making my own icons at one point
blissful linden
I was making my own icons at one point
I got all the icons up to upd 3.5
Now I gotta redo it
south blaze
I got all the icons up to upd 3.5
blissful linden
https://tiermaker.com/create/anime-vanguards-tier-list-upd-45-15856660 gotchu co...
💔
Tysm
Love you bro 💔
south blaze
I'm confused
blissful linden
I'm confused
They don't all have the same border
south blaze
ehh I can change that
blissful linden
Like Ichigo and Saber are both mythics
But Ichigo's purple
And Saber's not purple
It's stupid but I don't really like how that looks
south blaze
just for shits and giggles
feral cobalt
Alu needed a buff more than diav
south blaze
place him above Valentine in your TL 
feral cobalt
Become my nakama
south blaze
rare units are better than Valentine
feral cobalt
rare units are better than Valentine
Unironically true tho
They buff yhwach
Val js wastes a slot
feral cobalt
https://tiermaker.com/create/anime-vanguards-tier-list-upd-45-15856660 gotchu co...
The one I was using was not updating ty
blissful linden
Become my nakama
south blaze
south blaze
Nah
feral cobalt
Off monarch sjw is not allat
winged zephyr
Infinite summons
Immune to stun
3 nukes
Can use him in inf tsus
Doesn’t receive any debuffs
feral cobalt
Esp the fucking hell you gotta go to use him
blissful linden
SJW getting glazed like Gogeta did when he released
Gogeta is goated
feral cobalt
Yeah idk
crystal zenith
sjw top 1
feral cobalt
Think ichigo and aizen are ranked too high
crystal zenith
glaze him
feral cobalt
I think aizen flops harder than gogeta without monarch shit's ass
south blaze
Ichigo’s incredibly versatile and Aizen’s got amazing setups
blissful linden
Move oreo down to Obsolete
feral cobalt
Ichigo is eh mostly cuz he is a cheap unit that doesn't even do that well until you invest alot of cash into him
blissful linden
I think aizen flops harder than gogeta without monarch shit's ass
Gogeta is good without monarch
feral cobalt
The way the passive's work is really clunky because all ichigos need to be on field and be upgraded
blissful linden
💔
feral cobalt
Gogeta is good without monarch
Yeah I agree
blissful linden
So is aizen
feral cobalt
Id rather use off monarch gogeta than ichigo or aizen
Aizen fucking flops idk
I really don't think he is worth using off monarch
crystal zenith
💔
south blaze
Move oreo down to Obsolete
I’d put Sakura, Todo, and Julias at obsolete then
feral cobalt
Hasn't really yielded results for what I'm seeing personally
Esp when
Yhwach exists
south blaze
Julias got powercrept hard
feral cobalt
Also frieren is getting slept on ngl
feral cobalt
Insane glaze
south blaze
Todo and Sakura are incredibly niche
feral cobalt
Sakura sucks on a non monarch tier list so does todo
Like their niche is that you own a good monarch
So on a non monarch tier list they js suck
south blaze
Also frieren is getting slept on ngl
Her gameplay seems like it revolves around micromanaging her
feral cobalt
Her gameplay seems like it revolves around micromanaging her
Her base is still pretty decent
south blaze
She’s pretty gimmicky
fading helm
Also frieren is getting slept on ngl
wouldint say shes meta dps tho, yeah she does alot of dmg to overshield enemies but it aint enough to make up for all the stuff you gotta do to set her up
feral cobalt
Traitless hits like 5.4k DPS on 54range on a cone aoe with no buffs
fading helm
and yeah her base is pretty solid
blissful linden
Also frieren is getting slept on ngl
Nah she aint allat
feral cobalt
Alongside the fact that she can giga buff herself she can also reposition on a 5sec cd
south blaze
Also doesn’t help that final upgrade gives her alot of her DPS.
fading helm
but frieren should definitly be higher then red hair burning dude in a tierlist
feral cobalt
I think frieren deserves meta DPS
Also I think archer needs to be ranked lower
south blaze
I can see Choi being used for some setups
feral cobalt
Archer is
Really fucking mediocre off monarch
Ubw never lasts longer than 10 secs in any difficult mode and as a support ability it is insanely expensive
fading helm
I can see Choi being used for some setups
i just think frieren is just overall more useful then choi man
feral cobalt
Js a really impractical unit
feral cobalt
Lancer idk archer fs
south blaze
I don’t remember using lancer much outside of 3.0.
feral cobalt
We are just
amber bear
Another day another alucard buff suggestion
fading helm
He isnt that good anymore tbh
nah hes still strong as hell
feral cobalt
Not getting any bleed units
steel heron
Why is he below ragna aswell wtf?
amber bear
Another day another alucard buff suggestion
I am tired of these suggestions
blissful linden
nah hes still strong as hell
Yeah thats what I said 💔
Just not compared to other units
fading helm
Yeah thats what I said 💔
above non monarch gogeta
south blaze
Gogeta is easily above Archer and Lancer
Gogeta’s expensive
blissful linden
above non monarch gogeta
Nah
fading helm
uh yeah
blissful linden
Gogeta’s expensive
Kinda
south blaze
Like 180K yen expensive
feral cobalt
Gogeta at his 80k upgrade has more DPS than a fully amped saber
And he has instant transmission from spawn
180k cash doesn't mean much cuz his upgrade tree holds up so well
fading helm
i can't really speak on non monarch gogeta since my ass does not have him
blissful linden
i can't really speak on non monarch gogeta since my ass does not have him
Hes goated
feral cobalt
People think gogeta's bad off monarch cuz they own other monarchs that make him look bad 
Unfair comparison rly
Most units are hot shit monarch Vs non monarch
clear chasm
talking about ANYTHING but alucard
fading helm
talking about ANYTHING but alucard
don't care
blissful linden
Move gogeta below Yhwach
fading helm
we have had this debate millions of times
south blaze
Kinda
even though I wouldn't max him out, I don't think he's worth upgrading past 100K yen
blissful linden
even though I wouldn't max him out, I don't think he's worth upgrading past 100K...
Why
feral cobalt
even though I wouldn't max him out, I don't think he's worth upgrading past 100K...
Nah it is
blissful linden
Hes still pretty good
feral cobalt
Gogeta is really fucking strong
south blaze
I could put that money towards other units
feral cobalt
Like he loses to units that cost higher than him
south blaze
maxing out units is not a great idea for a lot of characters
blissful linden
I could put that money towards other units
feral cobalt
I could put that money towards other units
Most units ranked above him will do worse with that money
feral cobalt
One sec I had some screenshots
fading helm
Maxed out saber btw
but she also has stun immunity, Nuke, 100% more dmg on first hit etc
gogeta has like tp and slow?
blissful linden
but she also has stun immunity, Nuke, 100% more dmg on first hit etc
Only wins cuz of nuke
Yeah Saber is better
Just saying Gogeta is pretty close to Saber
fading helm
Just saying Gogeta is pretty close to Saber
ig
blissful linden
He's really good
south blaze
I wouldn't be above throwing him below Aizen
blissful linden
So versatile
blissful linden
I wouldn't be above throwing him below Aizen
feral cobalt
I wouldn't be above throwing him below Aizen
This is a good ranking
south blaze
Aizen setups generally outperform Gogeta in DPS
feral cobalt
Yeah idk about ichigo but personal differences
south blaze
Ichigo's more versatile compared to Saber imo
feral cobalt
My opinion isn't drastic enough from it
Idk I think rem mogs ichigo pretty hard
Saber can still work as a good DPS to nuker while having cc on placement
south blaze
Rem imo is the 2nd best unit in the game
blissful linden
Saber can still work as a good DPS to nuker while having cc on placement
Ichigo is like 50k to max tho
Thats insane
fading helm
Ichigo is like 50k to max tho
his base dmg is pretty low tho
feral cobalt
Super fucking nice unit
fading helm
it was like 2k dps without any life stocks lost
feral cobalt
I think yhwach should be above tho ngl
south blaze
Rem imo is the 2nd best unit in the game
Best unit for early rounds imo
feral cobalt
Ichigo is like 50k to max tho
Issue is his stats are mediocre before sacrificing stocks + the other ichigos need to be maxed too to get full effect from their passives
feral cobalt
Best unit for early rounds imo
Idk tbh
Even when I used her
I found her to be really mediocre at it
She is good when you can get like
blissful linden
Issue is his stats are mediocre before sacrificing stocks + the other ichigos ne...
feral cobalt
20k cash at hand which isn't an issue most of the time
But like
On placement? She disappoints me most of the time
crystal zenith
how
blissful linden
I found her to be really mediocre at it
She's really good
I always use her
Or most of the time
south blaze
On placement? She disappoints me most of the time
she's pretty cheap to place down
feral cobalt
Ye I always used her when I didn't own like 6 fucking monarchs
blissful linden
Ye I always used her when I didn't own like 6 fucking monarchs
feral cobalt
she's pretty cheap to place down
I still believe in gilga placement supremacy ngl...
I haven't used the guy since update 3 but still he got a special place in my heart
crystal zenith
I seen enough
south blaze
always found Gilgamesh to be slightly overrated
feral cobalt
I've seen way too much
crystal zenith
buff diavolo
feral cobalt
DPS kinda fell off and his aoe stopped being special
south blaze
Gilgamesh is pretty expensive
blissful linden
I got aizen in my first x10 wtf
tidal dragon
@wide lagoon he is full AOE has about 4k DPS and gives wounded he is pretty fine
blissful linden
always found Gilgamesh to be slightly overrated
slightly is a massive understatement
feral cobalt
I defended him cuz his aoe for his DPS was basically the best but now shit like frieren is just a better version of this guy
His nuke is fucking trash too even tho I gatekept the fact that you could double the nuke's damage by timing the attack
south blaze
His potential only shows in tournaments and leaderboard runs
feral cobalt
She was still weaker than saber
blissful linden
She was still weaker than saber
She?
feral cobalt
Nerf crocodile
south blaze
Nerf everyone and buff gilg
Nah, just nerf Valentine
blissful linden
Nerf crocodile
💔
feral cobalt
Val 2nd Evo soon...
blissful linden
rework all the sbr units
Only Valentine deserved it
crystal zenith
Only Valentine deserved it
no
blissful linden
He's annoying asf to get
south blaze
Gyro just needs a price reduction
crystal zenith
They messed up johnny
feral cobalt
Diego fucking sucks now too but that's js powercreep
south blaze
no need for him to cost 100K yen
tidal dragon
Good thing about gilga is he is immune to status ailments and stun
tidal dragon
Good thing about gilga is he is immune to status ailments and stun
Not his nuke
Not just*
feral cobalt
No relevant boss actually stuns in any meaningful way
tidal dragon
We gotta talk about cc immunity that shit is ass
Not just cc
south blaze
cc immunity is something the community blows way outta proportion
tidal dragon
No relevant boss actually stuns in any meaningful way
Exploding modifier, qauke etc
feral cobalt
Update 3.5 was the only time we got a boss that stuns
tidal dragon
I also said status ailments
feral cobalt
Exploding modifier, qauke etc
Exploding is easily avoidable and quake is only in legend stages and none of them are nearly difficult enough for it to be relevant
south blaze
devs are putting less effort into making new enemy types
feral cobalt
Yeah the
Enemies are not that interesting
Yhwach is literally the most interesting one in recent times and it's just a unit check
south blaze
Ant Queen should be an actual threat
feral cobalt
It's a unit check for an exclusive unit too practically cuz who the fuck is getting madea
south blaze
have her roar make enemies around her faster
crystal zenith
It's a unit check for an exclusive unit too practically cuz who the fuck is gett...
People used her
surprisingly
tidal dragon
Exploding is easily avoidable and quake is only in legend stages and none of the...
Yeah gilga is good for specific stuff not everything
Also
feral cobalt
Active on this game since 1.5 and I was here for like all of 2-4.5
tidal dragon
Saber boss rush
south blaze
We need more enemy types that can mess with other enemy stats
crystal zenith
I saw her 10 times
feral cobalt
She was rarer than a monarch
crystal zenith
😭
tidal dragon
He is easy to obtain, he's a good beginner unit
blissful linden
She was rarer than a monarch
How does yhwach's 2nd passive work
tidal dragon
I saw madea once
Medea wasn't in game till upd 3 or something
blissful linden
Medea wasn't in game till upd 3 or something
💀
feral cobalt
Gilga is a decent unit but lowk just leech winter portals and get a rem
winged zephyr
SJW getting glazed like Gogeta did when he released
Because he’s op??
His kit is insane lmao
south blaze
How does yhwach's 2nd passive work
It's an extra attack he has that deals 100% of his damage
blissful linden
It's an extra attack he has that deals 100% of his damage
So he attacks twice?
feral cobalt
How does yhwach's 2nd passive work
I have no clue but I think it's just a single target attack to the last enemy in this range
So it js sucks
crystal zenith
why tf i got the same map twice for bounty
south blaze
So he attacks twice?
Pretty much, however I believe it's a circle-AOE attack
tidal dragon
So he attacks twice?
If the last enemy is different than the first enemy
blissful linden
How do u not know this smh
the wording is confusing
feral cobalt
Pretty much, however I believe it's a circle-AOE attack
D tier instead of F tier then
The wording sucks
winged zephyr
Pretty much, however I believe it's a circle-AOE attack
It’s full aoe bro
blissful linden
It’s full aoe bro
Does he always attack twice
tidal dragon
Does he always attack twice
I just said if the last enemy is different than the first one
blissful linden
but can we change his aoe to cone
winged zephyr
Does he always attack twice
Only if there’s more than one enemy within his range
If it’s just the boss in his range no
blissful linden
Only if there’s more than one enemy within his range
So always
south blaze
It’s full aoe bro
so it just changes depending on what his AOE is
crystal zenith
ill pay them
winged zephyr
so it just changes depending on what his AOE is
Yah
That’s why lb runs server got him ranked higher than Gogeta
tidal dragon
Only if there’s more than one enemy within his range
That's false
winged zephyr
That's false
How is it false
tidal dragon
Am I a ghost or something
winged zephyr
Do you want a Clip
tidal dragon
How is it false
If the last enemy is different than the first
winged zephyr
It’ll legit prove me right
winged zephyr
If the last enemy is different than the first
That’s not true
tidal dragon
He attacks again
winged zephyr
pls shut up
tidal dragon
That’s not true
Read his passive
wide lagoon
<@703439872219807795> he is full AOE has about 4k DPS and gives wounded he is pr...
Fine is all you can say tho, while sjw is more than fine.. he’s magnificent 💔💔💔
winged zephyr
Read his passive
since you’re so braindead I’ll explain it to you
dumbass
I’ll get a clip rq hold on
feral cobalt
??? Not that deep
winged zephyr
??? Not that deep
When it comes to spreading
Misinformation, yes it does deep
feral cobalt
Diav failed this shi
blissful linden
can he get a 2nd aoe
crystal zenith
bro its line
feral cobalt
When it comes to spreading
Misinformation, yes it does **deep**
Half the shit you post is misinformation too you gotta be a little harder on urself lol
feral cobalt
I mean it's fair now
Dude got his DPS tripled
He was always good anw after the CC fix
crystal zenith
who
feral cobalt
Thats too much ngl
His aoe is unbelievably shit so it isn't that overpowered
blissful linden
His aoe is unbelievably shit so it isn't that overpowered
Too much ngl
blissful linden
Still worse as a DPS than gogeta and sjw so
"still worse as a dps than the 2 best dps"
💔
winged zephyr
Read his passive
so how do you explain this then?
the 4 bosses in my clip go from 2.77m hp to 2.47m hp in 4 seconds. ywach shown dmg is 150k, but the bosses took 300k within 8 seconds
which is his spa
so its 2 150k attacks in 8 seconds which is his spa
Tester also confirms the same thing
@tidal dragon
I’ll ask another tester if you don’t believe him
And what happens if he says the same thing?
blissful linden
Tester also confirms the same thing
<@847387935225806849>
They gotta fix the wording
south blaze
so how do you explain this then?
the 4 bosses in my clip go from 2.77m hp to 2.4...
test two bosses thatre far away from eachother
feral cobalt
Hold on gang
south blaze
extra attack's not full-AOE
winged zephyr
extra attack's not full-AOE
bro
are you serious
💔
how many evidence do you need
south blaze
how many evidence do you need
the footage you provided had the bosses clumped together
space out the bosses
the extra attack is circle-AOE
winged zephyr
it’s okay g, it’s up to you not to believe the testers or the lb runners themself
if they clip wasn’t enough oh well
blissful linden
p sure it is full aoe
does it work on the same enemy more than once
feral cobalt
ye p sure
feral cobalt
i do not trust testers bro
winged zephyr
full AoE on his second attack
winged zephyr
fair
feral cobalt
mfers literally pulled up to me to say kisuke wounded isn't perma
feral cobalt
Can u test it
ye i did rn
didnt take screenshots but
i put a vegeta and a recroom
they kept taking the same damage
tidal dragon
so how do you explain this then?
the 4 bosses in my clip go from 2.77m hp to 2.4...
First and last enemy is different
blissful linden
i put a vegeta and a recroom
What if both are Vegeta's
feral cobalt
First and last enemy is different
yalls were literally
saying the same shit with different words
and arguing over it
feral cobalt
What if both are Vegeta's
they'd just clump up together
tidal dragon
He said he attacks twice when there's different type of enemy
blissful linden
they kept taking the same damage
What's with the wiki's wording
blissful linden
they'd just clump up together
?
tidal dragon
I said he attacks twice when first and last enemy is different
tidal dragon
What's with the wiki's wording
It's very easy
feral cobalt
if youre saying spawn them with a gap then id just do the same testing
blissful linden
Alright but does it still work if theyre the same enemy
blissful linden
if youre saying spawn them with a gap then id just do the same testing
Yeah do that
feral cobalt
oh you meant htat
blissful linden
Yes
blissful linden
They changed it
Then why do I still see it
winged zephyr
nvm I’m blind wtf
alright @tidal dragon you want me then spawn 5 of the same bosses and see if he’s actually doing double attack..?
I don’t know why ur not testing this instead of saying we’re wrong bc passives says something else different
south blaze
When I looked back at the footage, his second attack is full-AOE, however that attack doesn't get any range buffs.
winged zephyr
When I looked back at the footage, his second attack is full-AOE, however that a...
it does get the range buffs
winged zephyr
Test it again
I was right about his second attack being full aoe and doesn’t require a different enemy
@tidal dragon ^ confirmed for u
blissful linden
works the same
So the wiki is spreading misinformation
💔
The fuck is that wording
Outdated ass passive
feral cobalt
So the wiki is spreading misinformation
the wording sucks they js mean it isn't the only enemy on the map
blissful linden
Its a completely different passive than what the wiki says
feral cobalt
as in like
blissful linden
😭
feral cobalt
the last enemy isn't also the first enemy
aka the only enemy
if thats the case it doesnt proc
winged zephyr
yeah, it doesn’t work if it’s only one enemy within his range
feral cobalt
oh yeah its outdated LOL
winged zephyr
but as long there’s more than one within his range then it’ll appears
feral cobalt
the wiki is ass bro js come to me for info trust
south blaze
it does get the range buffs
if it does, it's inconsistent. there's points in the video where it doesn't register the second attacks damage
Example at 0:16 in my video if you're wondering
south blaze
the wiki is ass bro js come to me for info trust
Wiki the type to put Sakura in high tier
She’s mid
blissful linden
Wiki the type to put Sakura in high tier
Croc should be higher
tidal dragon
I don’t know why ur not testing this instead of saying we’re wrong bc passives s...
I can't play rn
blissful linden
He's way too good for an epic
south blaze
She’s only used for one other tower in the game
feral cobalt
above giselle 
blissful linden
Wiki the type to put Sakura in high tier
It's made by the qhs dont be surprised
If you want them to change it make a suggestion
#1346623858752356452
The wiki has changed a lot since that channel was made
south blaze
Sakura above Giselle, Salter, Kisuke, Haruka, Subaru, Gilgamesh, and David is wild
Sakura should be in low Z tier
ancient timber
ye
blissful linden
I wouldn't be above throwing him below Aizen
Move Ichigo below gogeta
ancient timber
damn watch ppl ask for alucard buff bcuz diavlo got buffed now
feral cobalt
ok wait i think beru's hp passive js doesn't work
blissful linden
ok wait i think beru's hp passive js doesn't work
?
south blaze
damn watch ppl ask for alucard buff bcuz diavlo got buffed now
Alucard should become a Vanguard unit
feral cobalt
2.13mil
crystal zenith
Alucard should become a Vanguard unit
never
ancient timber
Alucard should become a Vanguard unit
sighhh js bcuz sjw is one doesnt mean he has to be aswll
south blaze
Like just change his rarity from secret to vanguard
ancient timber
maybe if he gets a double evo sure
winged zephyr
ok wait i think beru's hp passive js doesn't work
Beru is a waste of mana tbh
Just do arise + iron
ancient timber
Beru is a waste of mana tbh
50% extra dmg on sjw
feral cobalt
arise is ass what
south blaze
Beru is a waste of mana tbh
Beru’s just Berserker 2.0
winged zephyr
arise is ass what
How?
feral cobalt
arise is first passive bot
ancient timber
arise is ass what
arise is op wdym
winged zephyr
He just need assist
south blaze
Arise gets huge value against high HP enemies
feral cobalt
absolute worst way to spend your mana the summons are
insanely weak
bro
it doesnt even get value that much on like
ancient timber
absolute worst way to spend your mana the summons are
they scqle based on enemy hp
feral cobalt
spamming beru is more effective than arise on solo rifts still because you get to actually use your nukes
south blaze
sjw is not gonna get powercrept at all
Use both SJWs
feral cobalt
arise is only good for trying to get the first passive maxxed
south blaze
Get double the Woo
ancient timber
arise is only good for trying to get the first passive maxxed
infinite.
and when the power levels of enemies get too op
ancient timber
like in later meta
ancient timber
they dont got a stock on them
? beru scales based on sjw's dmg tho
tidal dragon
Wiki the type to put Sakura in high tier
She can be useful in solo
feral cobalt
if sjw's best option becomes arise in any progressive content then youd know he is powercrept lol
feral cobalt
She can be useful in solo
sucks without monarchs
tier list doesn't consider monarchs
logic where
ancient timber
if sjw's best option becomes arise in any progressive content then youd know he ...
hes still usable in like 2 yrs tho??
with arise
south blaze
Sakura’s ability is also just ass because of the games environment
ancient timber
?????
feral cobalt
gets nothing off of sakura
tidal dragon
sucks without monarchs
Nah
ancient timber
She can be useful in solo
she is useful sure
south blaze
Sakura only shines with Salter and in Worldlines
ancient timber
just get a new unit
infinite runs after 2 yrs will still need him.
feral cobalt
like bro this is like saying mythic wuu is fucking futureproof cuz the summons scale on enemy's hp
tidal dragon
but she isnt that good
That's why she's at submeta
feral cobalt
if sjw's best option becomes arise in any progressive content then youd know he ...
progressive brother
also name 1 man who does inf lb
you couldn't
ancient timber
also name 1 man who does inf lb
uhmmm alot of ppl do?
south blaze
Vanguard SJWs Arise can be controlled better
ancient timber
200k
ancient timber
its acc garbage
u get like 50 of them in a instant tho?
ancient timber
3 sjws
south blaze
uhmmm alot of ppl do?
Not that many people run leaderboard runs
sudden basin
ancient timber
ye nah 36 vs 3 berus,when enemies got 2 mil hp ,arise summons r defo better
feral cobalt
and this is on rifts
south blaze
Beru’s legit just Berserker 2.0. Good luck getting value from Beru attacks
ancient timber
Honestly beru sucks
feral cobalt
Beru’s legit just Berserker 2.0. Good luck getting value from Beru attacks
the attacks are ass but
ancient timber
only iron is worth it
feral cobalt
beru on a base is good
south blaze
tbh Berserker might be better than Beru since you have better control over the former
ancient timber
the only reason i wud use beru
feral cobalt
berserker on last attack does it pretty frequently but beru does it like
every year
feral cobalt
Honestly beru sucks
i deadass gotta send like
ancient timber
the only reason i wud use beru
is to get the 50% dmg boost on sjw
feral cobalt
arise shadows in raids vs a beru
tall forge
So the wiki is spreading misinformation
about wa
for some reasno I was very far back in this thread
south blaze
I feel like Bear summon doesn’t work half the time
feral cobalt
about wa
for some reasno I was very far back in this thread
yhwach passives are outdated asf
ancient timber
the summons do not work at all
in raids
they js pass through enemies for sm reason
feral cobalt
ye they dont
ancient timber
even after i use lucy
feral cobalt
its a multi path issue
lyric jetty
they js pass through enemies for sm reason
the summons work
tall forge
yhwach passives are outdated asf
man who saw the future?
south blaze
they js pass through enemies for sm reason
Sometimes they hit, other times not
lyric jetty
they just dont die
lyric jetty
they hit earlier so it looks like they dont hit
feral cobalt
one sec
ancient timber
weird they gotta fix that shit
lyric jetty
weird they gotta fix that shit
ye
tall forge
south blaze
AV moment
lyric jetty
atleast its only visual
ancient timber
so confusing and fills up the maps like crazy
south blaze
Gotta love AV jank
feral cobalt
they just dont die
no it isn't visual
lyric jetty
no it isn't visual
the summons hit the enemies before they "collide"
winged zephyr
they js pass through enemies for sm reason
Only happens in Jeju
lyric jetty
so it looks like they dont hit
winged zephyr
Anything else they works perfectly
ancient timber
Only happens in Jeju
ye
winged zephyr
the wiki got updated with the passives
What they mean is that’s not how the passive works
south blaze
Summons just suck ass on multipath stages
feral cobalt
oh ye no i checked they're updated
winged zephyr
It works differently in game
feral cobalt
sam prob got an old ss then
tall forge
no they were talking about how it was worded differently
winged zephyr
They still gotta word it properly ingame
tall forge
how in game yhwach did not equal the one stated in the wiki page
south blaze
Vanguard SJW only works on Jeju Island because of the buff and damage nukes
feral cobalt
jeju island is just easy asf so sjw works naturally
tall forge
the actual functionality of the passive is redundant in this case, it was purely just a matter of being updated or not
blissful linden
are there any actual issues within the wiki that slipped thru
All of the bleach units passives are outdated
For some reason
blissful linden
example pls
All of them lmao
tall forge
a specific unit so I can verify
south blaze
Lowk I prefer worldline units to be gimmicky over being meta
blissful linden
All of them lmao
Except yhwach
lyric jetty
lyric jetty
Lowk I prefer worldline units to be gimmicky over being meta
frieren is a weird case but i really liked subaru and esdeath
blissful linden
about wa
for some reasno I was very far back in this thread
Yhwach's passive in the wiki was outdated
It was like a completely different passive lol
sudden basin
I still dont get this, maybe cuz i dont have yahmo yet
But does the additional attack single target?
tall forge
ichigo seems fine apart from the "gains horn of salvation" part which probably shouldnt even be in the passive
tall forge
I still dont get this, maybe cuz i dont have yahmo yet
But does the additional ...
its literally just a second attack
thats about it
blissful linden
ichigo seems fine apart from the "gains horn of salvation" part which probably s...
Theyre all slightly different from the game's wording, doesnt matter much except for gazelle
south blaze
I'd rather have the confusing passive descriptions of this game over whatever the fuck Reborn has
blissful linden
are there any actual issues within the wiki that slipped thru
Vegeta is still in s tier for some reason
tall forge
a lot of these rewords actually just dont matter at all
blissful linden
💔
blissful linden
a lot of these rewords actually just dont matter at all
Yeah thats what I said
tall forge
Vegeta is still in s tier for some reason
i dont do the tl for the most part
I just help write some descriptions
feral cobalt
ichigo seems fine apart from the "gains horn of salvation" part which probably s...
he isnt
well
tall forge
Yeah thats what I said
might as well not bother atp
lyric jetty
I'd rather have the confusing passive descriptions of this game over whatever th...
isnt this the game aandre got fired from
blissful linden
might as well not bother atp
Except for gazelle I think it misses some info
south blaze
isnt this the game aandre got fired from
I believe so
tall forge
it got reworded and it hasnt been updated to that
most of them are just single word replacements for those who can't comprehend words such as remove
lyric jetty
I believe so
gotta be the best thing the owners of that game ever decided to do
blissful linden
most of them are just single word replacements for those who can't comprehend wo...
Should still update them
feral cobalt
i mean yeah
tall forge
yeah ill get someone to do it
blissful linden
It's not what the passives are like in game
tall forge
i just need to verify what needs changing
feral cobalt
shouldn't be that much effort
tall forge
which im doing rn
feral cobalt
south blaze
I'd rather have the confusing passive descriptions of this game over whatever th...
This is literal broken english
south blaze
Whatd he get fired for
I don't know, probably because he can't contribute anything meaningful to any roblox game
lyric jetty
Also didnt he quit Av to work on reborn
pretty sure he quit because of aa and reborn hired him
lyric jetty
I don't know, probably because he can't contribute anything meaningful to any ro...
"strongest sorceror" passive is his biggest feat
tall forge
ill get someone to go thru and fix it now
feral cobalt
sob
+5% max hp for subsequent belus summoned by this unit
up to 200%
doesn't happen tho
tall forge
regarding tl, changes r still being made to accomodate for the cc shits
no clue at all why sakura is above some other supports when shes quite a lot more niche
south blaze
regarding tl, changes r still being made to accomodate for the cc shits
no clue ...
There's a reason why I don't place her high
tall forge
There's a reason why I don't place her high
I dont really do the tl so I never really make comments on it, its just not my thing to rank where units are
feral cobalt
need more fubuki defenders in this town
tall forge
also I just couldnt be fucked to have to defend a unit placements against waves of brainless zombies
feral cobalt
can we have a pvz update
lyric jetty
also I just couldnt be fucked to have to defend a unit placements against waves ...
this on a buff alucard suggestion is so funny lmao
blissful linden
also I just couldnt be fucked to have to defend a unit placements against waves ...
Why is Vegeta in s tier
tall forge
Why is Vegeta in s tier
south blaze
also I just couldnt be fucked to have to defend a unit placements against waves ...
Most ppl will go "never cook again" or "this tier list pmo". Actual brainrot
tall forge
well his competition for A tier is like literally okarun
lyric jetty
Why is Vegeta in s tier
pretty sure because of archer
blissful linden
I dont really do the tl so I never really make comments on it, its just not my t...
Who made it
tall forge
you cant put him that far down
lyric jetty
but at that point
blissful linden
pretty sure because of archer
Aint none using archer with vegeta
tall forge
Who made it
varying opinions from different people
blissful linden
😭
blissful linden
varying opinions from different people
who tho
tall forge
also like everything below Z is pretty much just negligable
lyric jetty
if vegeta is better because of archer then karem is goated because of yamamoto
istg karem is slept on
feral cobalt
karem sucks bro
tall forge
who tho
some testers, some of the qh team and maybe just other inputs that actually seem have thought put into them
feral cobalt
if he didnt
lyric jetty
karem sucks bro
full aoe freeze
feral cobalt
remove the fucking burn hed be good but like
lyric jetty
hes just expensive
feral cobalt
he fucking does so who cares
raw copper
also like everything below Z is pretty much just negligable
Move frieren up no cap cause she da goat
blissful linden
some testers, some of the qh team and maybe just other inputs that actually seem...
🤔
lyric jetty
remove the fucking burn hed be good but like
he removes the burn for his own DOT
south blaze
I can see why they want to put Choi Jong En high, however his playstyle doesn't mesh well with the meta.
tall forge
idgaf about unit viability tho I just use who I like using so I'm not really bothered to rank it
feral cobalt
freeze's value is gatekept by esdeath and fubuki
tall forge
Move frieren up no cap cause she da goat
blissful linden
I can see why they want to put Choi Jong En high, however his playstyle doesn't ...
Whats his dps
Why is he above gogeta
lyric jetty
I can see why they want to put Choi Jong En high, however his playstyle doesn't ...
Hes not really good imo
tall forge
I've only had input on like some placements in the tier list
lyric jetty
atleast hes not bad like seiko was
tall forge
I don't really do many