Can we do something with Igris??

[pallid meadow]

Comment number 6k lesgooo

[spark kelp]

you’re using one full-AOE unit and two other circle-AOE units because of white ants

[idle kayak]

ok? the point is you wont be using arise for shadows unless you just wanna waste mana

its better to save it for nukes for the ant king

since the ants arent a problem regardless

[obsidian mantle]

Wrong

Tourney?

Deadeye would solo monarch

And it’s a long term content

What if odyssey is also another infinite gamemode?

[idle kayak]

we cant make assumptions about odyssey yet

we dont have nearly enough information about it

[pure willow]

deadeye wins in kills tourney, monarch wins in dmg tourney

[idle kayak]

oh dude monarch crushes in dmg tourney i didnt even think about that

so yeah tourneys arent even part of the equation since its 50/50

[novel rose]

no you just bring lucy

[spark kelp]

That as well

[misty bobcat]

def needed to be talked about in soon qna

[fallen heron]

LOL IT'S HAPPENING TO ME

[dusky merlin]

🔥

[fallen heron]

what the fuck

why is this happening

[proven galleon]

Looks like xp farm

[fallen heron]

it doesn't give you xp

killing all those motherfuckers

gave me 1 million yen

😭

[proven galleon]

They are weaker, right?

Takedown farm ig

[simple crag]

barely

like in 99% of content monarch is better

especially when your nuke can literally do millions in a click

[brittle sorrel]

Chat

I found a video on yt about jinwoo’s arise mana being directly proportional to the hp of the enemy and the dmg of jinwoo, does that make monarch jinwoo better than deadeye for inf? (Video is from the ab gaming guy with the gojo pfp)

AB Plays

I haven’t watched the full vid yet

Kinda crumbles the point that deadeye is better than monarch

MONARCH SLAMSSSSSS

[obsidian mantle]

deadeye is still better

[brittle sorrel]

Cope

(No offense)

[narrow monolith]

😭😭for this specific unit,monarch might be an actual nerf at particular scenarios.

[simple crag]

yes but thats so niche

unless your a LB player

[narrow monolith]

Yes I'm not saying deadeeye is better

But

It's contextual

Both can be good

[simple crag]

but that happens in ALOT of cases with unitss

[narrow monolith]

I'm not saying monarch is better either.

The fact that deadeye is preferable for 2 endgame content,traits lb and inf

[narrow monolith]

It's proportional only to the enemies's hp

The arise ones

The active ones r proportional to his dmg

[brittle sorrel]

Nah watch the video (jointly proportional mb, im actually not too sure what proportion it is icl)

Most of the community still doesn’t know how arise works

I just found out how it works

[brittle sorrel]

Monarch is way better

The further jinwoo’s hp is from the enemy’s hp

The higher the mana required is

Cuz if they didnt add this cap jinwoo would be too op for all game modes

[brittle sorrel]

Nope

And it’s fair that monarch is way better cuz jinwoo is literally the shadow monarch

And it’s a 0.1%

They intended for monarch to be busted

[copper ridge]

Its not wayy better, sjw is actually one of the units were monarch and deadeye are pretty close in terms of practicality

[brittle sorrel]

I disagree

[copper ridge]

Changed strength to practically

[narrow monolith]

Doesn't change the fact that u can have 36 of these summons.

[brittle sorrel]

36?

[narrow monolith]

Even ab plays says in that video

That the arise summons r always proportional to enemy hp

[copper ridge]

Saying monarch on sjw is wayyyyy better is an overstatement

[brittle sorrel]

Somewhat

[narrow monolith]

Ur making false statements without even verification which is crazy

[brittle sorrel]

It’s 10% of their hp

[narrow monolith]

And the Manas even count if other units kill inside his range

[brittle sorrel]

Do u even get the point t of the vid?

[narrow monolith]

Yes. In tourneys and inf that scaling is important.

[brittle sorrel]

So how are u gonna pump out those summons if the dmg of jinwoo is low?

[narrow monolith]

With monarch ur only gonna have 12 shadows,whereas with deadeye is 36 bcux u got 3 of it

[narrow monolith]

It's assist based.

[copper ridge]

This

[narrow monolith]

Anything he touches gets transformed

U can place him.

[copper ridge]

This is the main reason why deadeye can compare to monarch rn

[narrow monolith]

And constantly have shadows

[brittle sorrel]

Ab stated that the lower your jinwoo’s dmg is, the higher the mana needed is

[dim mural]

Meanwhile me with Solar

[narrow monolith]

That dies 1/10th + crits

[copper ridge]

Don’t worry solars not bad buddy 😉

[brittle sorrel]

Mythic is mythic

[narrow monolith]

That's flawed of u have another unit doing the damage.

[brittle sorrel]

(Go for monarch)

[copper ridge]

Its um

Better then vigor!

[dim mural]

solar gives him a huge range which isnt bad ig..

[brittle sorrel]

Thats not what im saying

I dont think u get what im saying

[copper ridge]

Yeah hugggggee Dir

[brittle sorrel]

But he already has 60 range…

[copper ridge]

Shut up and let him cope

[narrow monolith]

The mana recovery and spent is NOT PROPOTIONAL to his dmg. And the cap for each summon is literally 8 mana

[brittle sorrel]

Lmao

[brittle sorrel]

The cap is not 8

Wth???

Did u not see that monarch Jin needed 18 - 20 mana per summon (this is with monarch jinwoo having 350k dmg)

He never even stated that in the vid

Where th did u get 6 from

8*

[copper ridge]

I don’t even know man my ass doesn’t even have sjw evo

[round haven]

The cap is 100 mana
It increases based on enemy hp compared to sjw dmg

[brittle sorrel]

U should get fr

[dim mural]

i'm at 12/50 ant kills bro 😭 and eveyone else got the bugged key

[brittle sorrel]

(Only took me 40 hours)

[copper ridge]

Killing berus is reallly fun

[copper ridge]

SAME BRO

[brittle sorrel]

Nahhh

I had to play vanguards at school

Every break

[copper ridge]

Ok bro

[brittle sorrel]

Just cuz i didnt get that bugged key grrrr

[narrow monolith]

Alr js watched the video,but it doesn't change the fact that u can recover the mana easily in infinite,and have 3 times the summons,doing crit in later stages

In infinite even monarch is ought to get power crept

So at thay point why bother

And in tourneys,u can use 3 nukes at the same time

[brittle sorrel]

Easily is crazy

[narrow monolith]

While having his 2nd passive contribute to the dmg of the nukes

[brittle sorrel]

Imma js wait for someone to try this with non monarch jinwoo

If it takes 40 - 50 mana per summons it’s over (20 - 25 kills to recover)

Cuz the dmg diff of deadeye and monarch is crazy

[narrow monolith]

Still,ur gonna have 6 summons which crit compared to 6 summons which do not crit with monarch.

[brittle sorrel]

Which only hit one singular enemy

Imma stay with monarch

[narrow monolith]

There is also traits lb where summons r needed for boss killing

Monarch is not WAYYYY bhan deadeye

[brittle sorrel]

Wayyy is crazy i agree

But the difference is not close

[narrow monolith]

It is close.

[brittle sorrel]

In conclusion, monarch has:
3x cheaper price to max (or is it 2x im braindead)
Nuke 4x stronger than the normal deadeye nuke
More mana for arise (arguable)
Stronger named summons which means he can easily get the 50% dmg buff from beru
Steel summon nuke (stronger than deadeye)
Easier management for shadow menu
Lower spa
Crazy high early defense

Ionnow mannn

I wouldn’t roll of deadeye tho

Unless i got crazy rerolls

They’re both utilizable

[dusky merlin]

it is close, named summons do not scale well in infinite/rifts

you want to use deadeye for those

[brittle sorrel]

Watch the ab vid rq

But yeah name summons aren’t too strong for inf

Named

I’d just use beru for the 50% hehe

[dusky merlin]

named summons are just for easy content

[brittle sorrel]

Yep

[dusky merlin]

arise summons are for everything especially with deadeye

[brittle sorrel]

Watch the ab vid

[dusky merlin]

no its just gonna tell the same thing

[brittle sorrel]

I dont think u understand how arise works tho

Which is why I’d like you to watch it

[dusky merlin]

"mana drain scales with enemy health above jinwoos damage"

[brittle sorrel]

Yep

[dusky merlin]

its irrelevent unless you are up against what, 15mil hp enemies

which is never unless you are in infinite

[narrow monolith]

1.price sure Mon is cost efficient
2.nuke sure except in traits tourneys
3.arise summons no debate sjw better.
4.the named except steel are not worth using over arise ones,and beru's attack dmg is not for sjw, it's for beru's dmg
5.Steel is better in deadeye bcuz u can have 3 steels+crit
6.his total dps with deadeye and monarch has a difference if around 40% ,which is not alot,as his summons do more.

[narrow monolith]

Traits tourney

Later metas

[brittle sorrel]

Beru’s dmg buffs jinwoo

Wth???

[narrow monolith]

Where sjw's dmg is power crept

[narrow monolith]

Test it out.

It's beru's dmg

[dusky merlin]

I still think monarch gogeta is a 10x better monarch

[narrow monolith]

Not jinwu's

[brittle sorrel]

Depends

[dusky merlin]

if you wanted to get a monarch and had both please roll on gogeta

[brittle sorrel]

I’d rather use jinwoo cz of the early defense and cheap upgrades

I would not roll on gogeta

Bro is trash unless monarch

[dusky merlin]

jinwoo does NOT need monarch

[brittle sorrel]

He doesn’t i agree

But monarch jinwoo is better than all other traits

[dusky merlin]

gogeta becomes best dps in the game with monarch no question best overall unit in the game for doing any content

[frigid fulcrum]

everytime beru rams into an enemy sjw gains 5% damage, although it capped to a weird amount, the most ive gotten on the buff was 2.2x damage

[brittle sorrel]

Does he get stunned tho???

[dusky merlin]

yes but irrelevent considering the ridiculous dps you get

[brittle sorrel]

It’s very relevant

[narrow monolith]

It's not jinwu's dmg😭😭it's frkim beru's attack dmg

[brittle sorrel]

And the dps is not too far off from jinwoo

[brittle sorrel]

Do u have jinwoo?

[dusky merlin]

are you nuts

[narrow monolith]

I do

[brittle sorrel]

Nah

[dusky merlin]

you do realize gogeta has a clone right

doubles his dps

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah

Nope

It does not double his dps

It almost nearly double his dps

It doesn’t gain the 50%

[frigid fulcrum]

considering i didnt use arise once and only used beru it does affect sjws damage

[dusky merlin]

we will just round up to doubling his dps

[brittle sorrel]

Round up 50% is crazy work

[dusky merlin]

gogeta I would take over jinwoo for just damage

ease of use

etc

[brittle sorrel]

For just dmg

Jinwoo slams for everything else

[dusky merlin]

jinwoo is overall stronger in utility

[frigid fulcrum]

gogeta is better for damage sjw is better for boss killing

[brittle sorrel]

Unknown element is goated

Icl

[dusky merlin]

yes

[frigid fulcrum]

sjw can literally one shot anything in the game and is immune to random shit

[brittle sorrel]

Bro also has a nuke 😭

[frigid fulcrum]

if theres enough enemies you can chain the nukes aswell

[brittle sorrel]

He’s also immune to sukuna’s attack for some reason

Goated

[frigid fulcrum]

and steel is just a wall

[dusky merlin]

unfortunately 1k rerolls deep no monarch gogeta

rerolled deadeye on jinwoo in 2

:C

[frigid fulcrum]

sjw is immune to stun

[brittle sorrel]

Put the fries in the bag get those rerolls on jinwoo

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah

[dusky merlin]

im in too deep

[brittle sorrel]

I dont think units with unknown element get any sort of debuff (or are affected by elemental reactions)

[brittle sorrel]

Ayo????

[dusky merlin]

might buy the funni dragon bundle and dump those into jinwoo though

[brittle sorrel]

Woah

10k Robux tho

[frigid fulcrum]

people arent ready to talk about aizen and esdeath combo

[brittle sorrel]

Does esdeath affection work with aura

If it does that might be highest dps inn game

Nah but why is aizen so busted

[dusky merlin]

it is

the highest dps in the game

[brittle sorrel]

32k dps with wall no monarch excluding his base attack

And that’s one aizen

😭

[dusky merlin]

such a shame aizen came out before jinwoo so nobody will be prioritizing aizen if they have jinwoo

[brittle sorrel]

Real

[narrow monolith]

Aizen is free mvp lol

Why wudnt ppl want him

[frigid fulcrum]

im prioritzing aizen 💔

[narrow monolith]

Meta in boss rush

All boss rush needs aizen

[frigid fulcrum]

600 rrs no ethereal or monarch

[narrow monolith]

Js get deadeye

[dusky merlin]

I think I dumped what 200?

[frigid fulcrum]

im doing worldlines lb

[dusky merlin]

then switched back to gogeta

[frigid fulcrum]

deadeye wont cut it

[brittle sorrel]

Aizen price is a bit crazy tho

I’d go for monarch

Worth it

[narrow monolith]

True

[brittle sorrel]

I couldn’t get esdeath cuz i evoe’d ichigo a day before upd and thought he would be applicable in inf tsukuyomi

Grrrr

[dusky merlin]

I wouldnt recommend getting monarch on aizen over gogeta or yhwach or jinwoo though

save him for later

[frigid fulcrum]

meanwhile sjw being able to be placed in inf tsukuyomi

[narrow monolith]

I wud have gotten no 32 in worldlines if not for frikin inf tsukoyomi

[brittle sorrel]

😭

[frigid fulcrum]

the monarch choso i accidentally rolled is saving me

[narrow monolith]

Isn't choso bad??he makes the boss faster

Bcuz multi hits

[frigid fulcrum]

he doesnt

well

idk i havent seen it go faster

chosos dps skyrockets with alucard thoug

[dusky merlin]

how many rerolls you think I should save before dumping into deadeye jinwoo

[narrow monolith]

I used alucard and the boss started going as fast flash

[frigid fulcrum]

2500

[frigid fulcrum]

its never happened to me

[narrow monolith]

300

[frigid fulcrum]

you get 110+ rrs per week

[dusky merlin]

this is more reasonable.

300 it is

[frigid fulcrum]

2500 isnt that far away

[dusky merlin]

ah yes half a year

[frigid fulcrum]

yea

light

only 20 weeks

[narrow monolith]

300 tbf

If ur good

[dusky merlin]

1k+ no monarch gogeta...

[narrow monolith]

70 bounties,40 boss rush,60 tournaments (No 2-5),22 from daily

[narrow monolith]

Same 1.5k+

Prolly gonna hit pity

[dusky merlin]

oh tournaments fuck I forgot

[sand vector]

Is aizen better with monarch for mvp than ethereal?

[brittle sorrel]

Ethereal aizen is too expensive

I prefer monarch

Cuz 440% > 429%

0*

[sand vector]

I have ethereal on him who should i use my rerolls on

[brittle sorrel]

Jinwoo monarch just slams everything tho

[sand vector]

I have monarch sjw evo but i dont have gogeta

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

Shoot

Ur hooked

Save up for next upd

[sand vector]

I have monarch yamamoto, sukuna, rom and ran, and sjw evo

[brittle sorrel]

Ur set for the next update

[frigid fulcrum]

Dont buff igris

delete him from the game

[sand vector]

If i get gogeta I should roll on him?

[frigid fulcrum]

🔥

[brittle sorrel]

What

😭

[brittle sorrel]

Nah

Unless

Ur p2w

[frigid fulcrum]

Yes

Bro yes

😭😭

[brittle sorrel]

Cuz he’s dookie without monarch

I;d save imo

[frigid fulcrum]

true ts

[frigid fulcrum]

No

real av players dont save

[brittle sorrel]

lmao

[frigid fulcrum]

we gamble the moment we can

[brittle sorrel]

True

[sand vector]

Every monarch ive gotten they were all under 100 rolls

[frigid fulcrum]

i lit bought bp and got solar

[brittle sorrel]

NAHHH

[frigid fulcrum]

i couldve gotten vip in awtd

[sand vector]

Sukuna i did like 3 rolls and got it

[brittle sorrel]

God blessed bro

[frigid fulcrum]

Mid monarch

very very mid 😭

[sand vector]

I rolled on him like months ago

When he first came out

[frigid fulcrum]

err even months ago he was alright

[brittle sorrel]

He’s gonna get a vanguard evo in the future

[frigid fulcrum]

No

Jjk butt

[brittle sorrel]

The devs said they have something planned for him unrelated to the bleed buff

[brittle sorrel]

Woah

Idk bout that but ok

[sand vector]

I just wanted a deadeye i wasn’t really expecting anything like monarch because i only had 20 rolls

[frigid fulcrum]

Jjk is mad boring bro

I dropped ts after 1 page

[brittle sorrel]

First episode had 50 minutes

[frigid fulcrum]

Boring asf

[brittle sorrel]

Was discouraging but i was hooked after first season

First season was lowkey doodoo

IMO

[frigid fulcrum]

Idc what anyone says jjk is mad boring

probably has boring writing

[sand vector]

If there is a gojo and sukuna double evo i hope it’s sukuna so i can use monarch

[brittle sorrel]

Gojo 1/2

[frigid fulcrum]

Too early

[brittle sorrel]

Devolved

[frigid fulcrum]

Im more towards ToP on my guess

for the upd

[sand vector]

Rom and ran monarch took me 4 rolls

[brittle sorrel]

What

But they just released gogeta

[sand vector]

Yamamoto took me 70

And sjw took me 60

[brittle sorrel]

Crazy work icl

[frigid fulcrum]

Thats literallt gr

gt

top is S

super

[sand vector]

I got monarch sjw on the last 2 rolls

[frigid fulcrum]

Plus gogeta is a vanguard

doesnt have his own anime update

[brittle sorrel]

Highly unlikely

[frigid fulcrum]

Diavolo is a vanguard and has a whole different part update

[frigid fulcrum]

The only animes i can think of to match sneaks is jjk

[unique goblet]

1 unit from dragon ball isnt a dragon ball update

[frigid fulcrum]

but i hate jjk

[frigid fulcrum]

High iq

[brittle sorrel]

Ok

[brittle sorrel]

Grass is green

[unique goblet]

sky is blue

[brittle sorrel]

Erm

[sand vector]

Any of yall have gogeta

[brittle sorrel]

Nah

[sand vector]

How many presents did it take yall

[brittle sorrel]

0.1 from portal is lowwww

3k presents /3m

[unique goblet]

me personally 1.8 million

[frigid fulcrum]

3.3m

[brittle sorrel]

Nahh wth

[sand vector]

I don’t really farm portals I just afk chamber

[sand vector]

I’ve spent probably 1.5 million os far

[brittle sorrel]

Gogeta or sjw in ur opinion?

[unique goblet]

get your money up

[frigid fulcrum]

sjw

[unique goblet]

mine all godly

[frigid fulcrum]

not even close btw

[frigid fulcrum]

Tryna get max spa

i have decent range

[sand vector]

I don’t even have godly damage

[frigid fulcrum]

i need it for next vanguard

[sand vector]

I have one godly spa

And 4 godly range

[frigid fulcrum]

unlucky

[brittle sorrel]

Crazy work

[unique goblet]

if i got 3 units full godly

everyone can

[brittle sorrel]

Bru

Im pretty sure godly is same chance as monarch

[frigid fulcrum]

Upd 1 abuse or what

ur lucky asl

[unique goblet]

no

[frail ingot]

js bring back old igris passives before the nerf thats thee least they can do

[unique goblet]

i didnt even know about it

[frigid fulcrum]

It was crazy

[unique goblet]

i farmed the paragon stat chips

achievment

[frigid fulcrum]

sadly i didnt abuse

[frigid fulcrum]

Br is best for stat chips rn

its wild

[sand vector]

So if you use 1 normal stat chip it’s like 0.3% to get it every time you roll?

[frigid fulcrum]

i got like 2 kami’s from it

[unique goblet]

1 sec

im f2p also btw

cuz they are buyable now

[brittle sorrel]

Not sure

Prolly tho

I see more godlies than monarch

[sand vector]

I can’t use these godly ranges bro

[brittle sorrel]

Dang

[sand vector]

All of my monarchs already have godly range

I have so many

[sand vector]

Bro i have 2 alucards

I got both in 500k gems

[unique goblet]

im showing godly

lucky tho

[sand vector]

Yeah

[unique goblet]

i would be pissed if i got a 2nd alucard

[sand vector]

I got him trying to get a new unit from an update

[unique goblet]

since they arent going to be tradeble

[sand vector]

I got the second alucard not even 3 days apart

Pretty sure i got it the day after the first one

[brittle sorrel]

Hardest unit to get in the game and has the lowest dps out of all secrets is diabolical

[sand vector]

Do you think they’ll buff him or only outdated vanguards

[brittle sorrel]

(Ignore valentine bro isnt even mythic worthy)

[brittle sorrel]

Idk

[sand vector]

They have alucard high up in the wiki tierlist but i dont use him at all

[unique goblet]

Alucard is falling off

[brittle sorrel]

He doesn’t need a buff but hopefully he is utilizable in Halloween event

[unique goblet]

not even worth the 0.004

[brittle sorrel]

(Need)

[brittle sorrel]

True

Ig he’s just a cool collectible now

[sand vector]

Yall know that one guy on youtube

[brittle sorrel]

Tho the bleed and wounded is busted

[sand vector]

Who spent like 3 million gems for no alucard

[brittle sorrel]

Nag

[sand vector]

And he has kids and stuff

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

Nvm

Crashout guy

[unique goblet]

ekuzotic

[sand vector]

Yeah him

[unique goblet]

or ekuzotia

or whatever

i forgot

[brittle sorrel]

I would NOT be playing av if i had children

[sand vector]

Did he spend all that robux on gems

Alucard is not worth all of that

Just get a monarch

[unique goblet]

i think he says that like as a joke

[brittle sorrel]

Real

[unique goblet]

i dont think he actually has kids starving

like he says

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

If he said that

[sand vector]

It probably is a joke

[brittle sorrel]

Ig he’;s joking

Starving is crazy

[sand vector]

I just watched a video from 3 weeks ago he has monarch gogeta

So ig he’s happy now

[brittle sorrel]

What are y’all thoughts on “deadeye jinwoo > monarch jinwoo”

[sand vector]

Idk

I have monarch jinwoo so i think he’s better

Than deadeye

But it’s close

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

Have u watched the ab plays video

[sand vector]

No

[brittle sorrel]

Ohh

[sand vector]

Im waiting for that one youtuber shrine

[brittle sorrel]

Deadeye is pretty much redundant on lb and infs

[sand vector]

To make a video on him

[brittle sorrel]

Who dat

[sand vector]

Search him up

[brittle sorrel]

Oh this guy

[sand vector]

Shine anime vanguards

[brittle sorrel]

W videos

[sand vector]

Shrine*

[brittle sorrel]

I watched the aizen analysis

[sand vector]

I think he’s doing the secret from the dungeon next

Then sjw

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

Once its out its over for the deadeye glazers

His analysis r really good

Or they

[sand vector]

Yea

Is yhwach good should i spend rolls on him?

[brittle sorrel]

Get ethereal

He’s so busted

[sand vector]

Or he’s not really needed

[brittle sorrel]

I prefer him without monarch

[sand vector]

I’ve spent like 150 on him

[brittle sorrel]

2nd best unit overall imo

[brittle sorrel]

Oh

[sand vector]

But only a solar so far

[brittle sorrel]

Get deadeye or ethereal

Monarch is great

But for ur team im not sure I’d go for it

To a certain extent I prefer yhwach over gogeta

[sand vector]

Oh

How about ragna

I think he’s really good but i don’t wanna risk getting monarch on him

I currently have blitz

[brittle sorrel]

I dont think you should build him

There are a lot more units better than ragna now

Cuz the team comp is important if ur running ragna

If u have a team of monarchs ragna isnt the best

[sand vector]

Oh

[brittle sorrel]

His dps is alright compared to the newest units

And it takes crazy waves for him to be strong

He’ll probably prevail in the meta tho ig

When trading comes out

[sand vector]

Im doing winter portal and he has 62k dps

[brittle sorrel]

I think he has a 100% boost from winter portals

[sand vector]

300.24k damage 4.9 seconds and 28.9

[sand vector]

Ohhh that makes sense

He reaches a 610% damage boost n the last placement

[brittle sorrel]

Free monarch

[sand vector]

Basically 2 monarchs

[brittle sorrel]

He prolly wont fall off cuz of the sheer amount of support units going to be added in future updates

Imma get a lot of ragnas and sell them this year

[sand vector]

I saw some video and the title said “Why ragna won’t fall out the meta”

[sand vector]

I have 3 of him right now

[brittle sorrel]

Wthhh

Keep blitz

Reroll on yhwach

He’s goated early unit

180 degrees is crazy with 2x dmg

[sand vector]

Does he need commons around him to be good

[brittle sorrel]

And 60k to max out per

[sand vector]

Or he can be by himself

[brittle sorrel]

Nah

My ethereal with a team of 1 monarch and the rest being 3 placement and takaroda

He is doing 12k

Per yhwach

But i make one of them support yhwach

So the others dont get debuffed

[sand vector]

Oh

[brittle sorrel]

the other units wont get debuffed if one ash wallet is set to support

Ash

Wallen

Fallen

Kinda busted icl

[sand vector]

Yea i saw him with 1.5 million damage once but then he got nerfed

[brittle sorrel]

Oh shoot

That vid

Yeah he was busted

[sand vector]

Should i get giselle?

I have monarch yamamoto and monarch sjw evo so wouldnt he be good because they both summon

Idk how giselle works so

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah

She’s leaving next upd

I’ll send u ss

[sand vector]

Would she still be usable with monarch

[sand vector]

If i get monarch would it be bad

[brittle sorrel]

very very sad

[sand vector]

Is it worth the grind to fully ascend her

Or it doesn’t really matter

[brittle sorrel]

Nope

Not worth

[sand vector]

Bruhh i don’t wanna get monarch on her

I don’t like rolling on units where monarch is bad on

I already got fortune on both farms so i’m good with that

[brittle sorrel]

Monarch on speedwagon

😭

[brittle sorrel]

Ngl

Jinwoo monarch is too busted

1 player

[brittle sorrel]

Monarch slams deadeye

Debate is over

[indigo torrent]

no it doesnt

monarch isnt even that good for inf

[brittle sorrel]

It is

Further enemy’s hp is from that jinwoo’s dmg, the higher mana required is

And these shadows only hit a singular target

Not too useful in very high waves

In some cases, 3 placement jinwoo is better, but 99% of the time monarch is just better

[gaunt otter]

Guys this stage is our final chance

Convince them as much as u can

[copper ridge]

😭

[gaunt otter]

NOOOOOOOOO

guys its over gg

[maiden warren]

they was never a chance

there

[gaunt otter]

gg atleast one of my suggestions was accepted

[void rampart]

Time to use it again

[chilly hill]

Yesnt. Deadeye makes the shadows he spawns in infinite do more damage, even if you only get one per 50 kills in high waves so many enemies spawn you are still getting an alright amount for boss killing, SJW’s only use in inf really. So you get 3x the shadows that have a chance to do 75% more damage. Monarch isnt a bad trait on him, in fact its better for his real nieche, worldlines. Hes the best worldlines unit in the game. Idk why people hype him so much though, when you run the numbers he becomes a worse Yama (cant spam summons, has higher damage but not full aoe) and doesnt meet gogeta DPS unless you constantly summon beru’s at 100% mana

[gaunt otter]

YESSS GURREN LAGANN IS ON THE TABLE

[brittle sorrel]

Im gonna ignore you said that

😭

“Isn’t a bad trait”

Ain’t

No

Way

Do you even have a jinwoo tho?

Just saying

These arguments are not good….

[chilly hill]

I do, and with monarch he literally solos to 150 in worldlines

And probably after, but I only went to 150

Not everyones going for wave 300 infinite

Where deadeye is betyrr

Goof luck having deadeye jinwoo solo anything in wordlines

But in infinite, which is what people want jinwoo for, for whatever reason

Deadeye is just better, as his actual arise shadows scale with enemy HP, which is what you use jinwoo for, and they crit for some reason

[brittle sorrel]

( he had 50k dmg before the shadow came in)

90 mana for only 1 is crazy

[chilly hill]

At any given point wave 200 and up, theres like 200 enemies in any clump you see

[brittle sorrel]

I’m pretty sure this is the dmg output of maxed out deadeye jinwoo

[chilly hill]

Its bad, but not as bad as you think

[brittle sorrel]

Nah but they target a singular enemy tho

[chilly hill]

Hes a boss killer, all those buffs for monarch jinwoo to deal less dps than gogeta

But he 1 shots bosses with his shadows

[brittle sorrel]

1 shot????

Thats very speculative

[chilly hill]

1 shot as in he stacke 500 million damage in summons on the track cause you place him at the very back

[brittle sorrel]

He doesn’t get stunned, and its his kit that carries him

[brittle sorrel]

If we can get that much mana, sure, otherwise its not that good

[harsh drum]

they said no in the stage give up

[brittle sorrel]

With igris?

[harsh drum]

shit suggesiton like i said it was smh my head

[brittle sorrel]

Igris got done dirty

[harsh drum]

its literally a summon

[brittle sorrel]

I dont mind tho icl

[harsh drum]

its like making krillin a top 2 unit

[chilly hill]

Mana is local, each jinwoo gets 2 mana per enemy that dies, this game has massive density

[brittle sorrel]

1 sec

[chilly hill]

Top LB runs, and I am a LB player in the LB server, are using 4 players with deadeye jinwoo, to dummon 12 shadows per time a shadow is summoned

[brittle sorrel]

12 is pretty good

How do you guys go around the mana issue?

[round haven]

you dont
you just get 12 shadows per 50 enemies that die
cuz thats still really good

[brittle sorrel]

Is it tho?

[round haven]

yea normal sjw is a must bring for inf runs and hes like 15 shadows per 2 minutes 15 seconds

[brittle sorrel]

Good nuke for bosses

I heard normal sjw is better than vsjw for inf boss killing

[round haven]

kinda
normal is 1 unit, 15 shadows
vsjw requires 4 people bringing the unit to get similar shadow output
and they cant be on the same time so its more like 9 shadows instead of 12

[chilly hill]

Things will die, clumps have like 200 enemies in them late game, thats 4 shadows per jinwoo, sure, its not a lot, but its constant, and you place them at the back

If enemies start leaking past your main DPS and stall spam, then you have bigger issues

[chilly hill]

Yes, I agree, however normal jinwoo has to participate in the kills for his shadows, i think overall, 4 vsjws will have more of an impact that 3 vspws and a normal one. Cause the normal ones gonna need them to bring todo still, etc etc etc, probably still the better nuker if you want to do it in response to seeing the boss, but the inf tierlist has VSJW in his own tier for a reason

You just place the vsjw in the back and press passive arise

He doesnt have to participate in the kill for mana or for the shadow

And instead of sjw todo support, the sjw todo player could now run VSJW, Salter for her slow (since it’s actually good now, doesnt stop CC, and croc slow goes over it) croc, subaru, diego, alucard, basically they dont care that their own spa’s get nerfed cause their entire kit is support with jinwoo in the back

Or haruka with another player bringing alucard, its just an example

Or Esdeath since Mahokarada got fixed and shes peak support now

[narrow monolith]

Why does he not admit that deadeye is better for infinite tho😭😭😭

Also can u elaborate on why ppl use todo with sjw??

I've done lb runs runs so

[round haven]

move sjw back, more uses of arise

allows for more boss killing

[narrow monolith]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[golden ingot]

deadeye jinwoo is 2 times better than monrach when it comes to inf

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah

I agree

Not with the 2 times part tho

[dusky merlin]

revive general 2 🙏

[indigo torrent]

does bro even have general 2 unlocked 🥀

[ember girder]

Mc here

[frigid geyser]

glup

[golden ingot]

U THINK U FUNNY BRO

I DONT THINK ITS FUNNY BRO

XAXAXAXAXA