Can we do something with Igris??

[dusky merlin]

no?

hes stun immune

[primal igloo]

Not my ss so iunno

[dusky merlin]

immune to anything

[primal igloo]

looks like they got haruka

[gaunt otter]

wait show passives

[brittle sorrel]

It doesn’t say in passive but igris is stun immunte so im assuming he’s also stun immune

[dusky merlin]

isnt listed in passive

[brittle sorrel]

Just double checking

Thx guys

[dusky merlin]

haruka + giselle maybe?

[gaunt otter]

bruh

[dusky merlin]

idk im gonna get giselle today

[brittle sorrel]

Wait how does Giselle interact with jinwoo vanguard>

[dusky merlin]

so ill test

or I can just go into sandbox

rq

[gaunt otter]

is it actually stun resistant

wtf

[dusky merlin]

yuh

[dusky merlin]

immune to all status

[brittle sorrel]

Oh shoot thx bro

[primal igloo]

so that + his summons hp scales based off of his stats

[brittle sorrel]

Thx guys god bless ima dip

[gaunt otter]

hes actually good then

i thought bro got stunned

straight downgrade for gogeta

but he seems like a good subsitude

[glass niche]

and isn't like

sjw vanguard is not a monarch merchant

[brittle sorrel]

What?

[glass niche]

he work good without monarch (even better)

[gaunt otter]

not unless u want nukes

[primal igloo]

it depends on what you use him for tbf

[glass niche]

ye that only thing you lose

[brittle sorrel]

I’d prefer monarch Jin over ethereal tho

[gaunt otter]

someone has to calucute total dps compared to deadeye and monarch

[brittle sorrel]

Just cuz of the cost red

[gaunt otter]

which is more worth it

[dusky merlin]

if you already have monarch gogeta do not get monarch jinwoo

[glass niche]

if you want top world or easy progressive mode then mon sjw vanguard is a good choice

[dusky merlin]

get deadeye and run them together

[gaunt otter]

cuz im pretty sure only difference is that 3 jinwoo can summon more stuff

[glass niche]

but like he sitll fine without mon tho

[gaunt otter]

but thats only if u get a lot of kills

[glass niche]

he get mana from assist

[severe condor]

Monarch is just better on the new sjw

[dusky merlin]

gogeta is much more worth the monarch

[glass niche]

don't need to kill

[gaunt otter]

no i mean

[severe condor]

Deadeye better on the old one

That’s it

[gaunt otter]

like kills

for arise summons

[brittle sorrel]

I think the menu bar summons scale with his dmg so its pretty much the same ig

[gaunt otter]

not talking abt mana

[glass niche]

assist count too

[dusky merlin]

????????? did you not read that arise summons scale off hp???

[gaunt otter]

im trying to say

[severe condor]

Hp of what

[glass niche]

better arise summon i see

[gaunt otter]

monarch summons them slower

since its one unit

[glass niche]

still prefer more summon tho

you can run one heal

and one spam arise

[severe condor]

Not how that works dawg

[gaunt otter]

so the more enemies the better deadeye is

[glass niche]

another one throwing random ahh shit

[gaunt otter]

but also

monarch is insane

[boreal mantle]

wait so does enemy summon passive local or global?

[gaunt otter]

for the 3 nukes

[glass niche]

only better nuke

[glass niche]

local

[dusky merlin]

you are trolling and probably dont have him

[glass niche]

honestly this is very well made vanguard unit

[gaunt otter]

someone has to lowk to a straight total dps test between them

[glass niche]

that not rely on monarch

[gaunt otter]

i cant be asked to do that

[brittle sorrel]

I saw a showcase apparently the summons gain 100% of enemy max hp (apparently) cuz the orcs had 1919 hp and the arise summons also have 1919 hp

[boreal mantle]

is there any non- monarch sjw showcase every youtube ones arem onarch

[glass niche]

no

sry

[gaunt otter]

just divide the dmg by like 4

[glass niche]

everyone want monarch on vanguard

[dusky merlin]

sorry you were lied to

[glass niche]

think it the best

lol

the first non monarch merchant vanguard unit

[brittle sorrel]

Monarch is better tho cuz of the cost reduction, nuke dmg and easier to manage arise bar

[dusky merlin]

you didnt read his passives, go back

[glass niche]

this is if you want easy progressive mode

[gaunt otter]

diavolo

who uses diavolo for dmg

[dusky merlin]

his named summons are TRASH

[glass niche]

still need monarch to do dmg (relly on monarch lol)

[dusky merlin]

arise summons get NOTHING from monarch

[gaunt otter]

he does like no dmg

[brittle sorrel]

They’re not tho

[glass niche]

monarch only buff special summon tho

[dusky merlin]

they are

[severe condor]

Does 600k 💀

[dusky merlin]

for endgame content?

useless

[gaunt otter]

what diavolo does 600k

[dusky merlin]

get monarch gogeta get dedaeye sjw run them together

[severe condor]

Talking abt sjw

[gaunt otter]

im not tho??

[dusky merlin]

this is with giselle btw

[brittle sorrel]

Run them together and you’ll be 1 billion dollars in debt 😭

[glass niche]

do you know that sjw can stacking nuke together

3 sjw can do 3 different nuke on same time

[severe condor]

This is just bad

[gaunt otter]

wait

[severe condor]

💀

[dusky merlin]

exactly

[gaunt otter]

@dusky merlin

for the nukes

[brittle sorrel]

With meh nuke

[gaunt otter]

can all 3 units use duo nuke

or only one of them can use

[glass niche]

no

[gaunt otter]

per match

[glass niche]

each diff nuke

[brittle sorrel]

Pretty sure steel goes to 5m hp if done well

[glass niche]

once per match

[brittle sorrel]

With monarch

[gaunt otter]

so it just completely put local cd

[glass niche]

that only thing mon sjw better than non mon sjw

[dusky merlin]

one

[severe condor]

Yeah monarch sjw is just better dmg wise. If you want deadeye just use the old sjw he probably does more dmg with summons than the new one overall

[boreal mantle]

wait how is deadeye better then ethereal?

[gaunt otter]

summon unit

[glass niche]

summon can crit

[brittle sorrel]

Cost reduction, management of shadows

[boreal mantle]

wtf for real?

[dusky merlin]

you are actually so dumb its insane
do you even have the unit

[gaunt otter]

ngl i gree legend

[glass niche]

bleed can crit
burn can crit
so why summon can't crit

[gaunt otter]

if you have monarch gogeta

[boreal mantle]

so u have 45% to get good ones?

[gaunt otter]

there is 0 pupose for monarch sjw

[severe condor]

No but this is just common sense

[brittle sorrel]

Woah that’s kinda rude tho

It’s not that deep

[severe condor]

Monarch sjw has 3 nukes that buff his dmg

[dusky merlin]

its a NUKE

[severe condor]

Why would you run deadeye on that

[dusky merlin]

JUST A JNUKE

[severe condor]

So what

[gaunt otter]

u get more damge

out of deadeye

[brittle sorrel]

Prettty busted nuke tho tbh

[glass niche]

it just a nuke dang

[gaunt otter]

its a summoner unit bro

[dusky merlin]

do you realize that deadeye is the only trait that affects arise summons

[severe condor]

You got 3 nukes and you can still summon shadows only difference is they don’t crit

[gaunt otter]

just run monarch on saber, gilga, or gogeta lmao

[dusky merlin]

and 3 sjws placed means 3 arise summons per kill

[glass niche]

summon way less

sjw van is not even rely on kill to summon dang

[dusky merlin]

with 1 sjw placed you only get 1 summon per kill

[severe condor]

You don’t summon way less you’re killing them st the same frequency dawg

[glass niche]

are you using sjw solo?

[dusky merlin]

with 1 sjw placed you only get 1 summon per kill

with 3 sjw placed you get 3 summons per kill

[severe condor]

You realize if you have 1 that deals 600k compared to 3 that deal 150( lets say) and you set both to weakest which one do you think will get more kills

[brittle sorrel]

Confirmed?

[dusky merlin]

with 1 sjw placed you only get 1 summon per kill

with 3 sjw placed you get 3 summons per kill

[severe condor]

That’s not how that works 💀

[dusky merlin]

I will stream right now

for you

[severe condor]

Do it

[glass niche]

that how it work bro

[severe condor]

Ain’t no way this is that dumb

[glass niche]

he only need assist to summon

[gaunt otter]

yeah its global kills

[glass niche]

do you even using sjw van yet?

[gaunt otter]

u dont need actual takedowns

[glass niche]

sjw van is much better without monarch

[severe condor]

Wow that’s lowkey dumb

[gaunt otter]

depends

[brittle sorrel]

Not rlly

[gaunt otter]

if u dont have a high dps monarch

[glass niche]

ye only inf ik

[gaunt otter]

or a monarch that nukes

[glass niche]

then sjw is a good choice

[brittle sorrel]

8/10 times I’d rather have monarch

[gaunt otter]

then monarch sjw is better

[severe condor]

Still think his nukes carry so you’d need monarchy

Even in inf

Plenty of units to substitute for lack of 2 extra summons

[gaunt otter]

holy

[glass niche]

his nuke is a L

[gaunt otter]

youve never touched inf

[glass niche]

force cutsceen to everyone

shit not carry

[brittle sorrel]

No?

[glass niche]

force cutsceen is not fun bro

[severe condor]

I’ve been top 12 on lbs 3 times pipe down bud

💀

[paper wren]

The hell yall talking about

[severe condor]

Ngl that is mad annoying

[gaunt otter]

"pipe down"

[glass niche]

unless they make sjw not force cutsceen then nuke is optional

[severe condor]

Frames drop immensely

[gaunt otter]

you are saying nukes are better than summon that scale off of hp

and can crir

[glass niche]

i would rather not use nuke and manage everything perfectly

[gaunt otter]

FOR INF

[severe condor]

I mean 10x 600k is 6 mil

[brittle sorrel]

6 mil

With the two other nukes 12 mil

A bit busted

[glass niche]

if we count all nuke is 20x600

[gaunt otter]

genuinly what sjw have u seen do 600k with monarch

please show me a ss

[severe condor]

Just buff bro 💀

Not hard dawg

[glass niche]

you trade
Nuke
cost less
You get
Better summon
SPam go brrr

fair trade?

[gaunt otter]

buffs?

[severe condor]

Depends

[brittle sorrel]

Guys

[severe condor]

Imo just bring both new and old sjw 1 with monarch and 1 with deadeye so you keep the nuke benefit/slightly less summons that don’t crit and the dps benefit

It’s what I’d do

[glass niche]

fair then

[severe condor]

Cuz a 20 mil nuke can save runs

Cannot sleep on that

[brittle sorrel]

Guys

[glass niche]

if it not save ur run then you cooked lol

[brittle sorrel]

They’re both good

[severe condor]

I’m saying

[glass niche]

Who tf think force cutsceen is a good idea

[gaunt otter]

20 mil

where are u geting 20mil

[severe condor]

Nobody said bro is bad

Only one that’s tripping is this geek chirps

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah no shit

[severe condor]

Discordian over here insulting anyone with a different opinion 💀

[gaunt otter]

???

[brittle sorrel]

Woah what

???

[gaunt otter]

bro came in here chattin

[brittle sorrel]

Okay I’ll forget you said that

[gaunt otter]

😭

[brittle sorrel]

If we have deadeye keep it, if we have monarch, keep it, they’re both utilizable

[gaunt otter]

rs

[brittle sorrel]

End of debate

[gaunt otter]

me personally i like deadeye more

cuz i got monarch gogeta

[brittle sorrel]

I mean….

I’d like to argue that it takes 500k to max them out but if its confirmed that 1 kill = 3 summons for jinwoo then the 300k is pretty redundant

Broken unit overall icl

God bless chat

[glass niche]

the one and only vanguard that don't need monarch

[brittle sorrel]

All traits are good on him

11/10 unit

[gaunt otter]

ehh

[glass niche]

sjw is on saber tier now

LOL

[gaunt otter]

rlly only deadeye just cuz of the summons

[glass niche]

love those who in saber tier

[gaunt otter]

ethereal and other traits r useless lwk

[glass niche]

etheral still good if you want better iron i think

and better base dps

special summon suck tho

[brittle sorrel]

The 40% dps increase on ethereal is just pleasing to the eye lmao

[gaunt otter]

his base dps is kinda butt tho

and pretty smal circle

[glass niche]

who made this unit deverse a rise

[gaunt otter]

ngl tho

[glass niche]

boss slayer lol

[gaunt otter]

i would rathar them use just have 1 nuke

and make it a bit stronger

sjw did not need 3 nukes

[glass niche]

3 force cutsceen

[brittle sorrel]

They had to make shadow embrace big circle rather than full aoe grrrrrrrr

[glass niche]

just don't makes sjw nuke force cutsceen

[brittle sorrel]

It was literally igris’ full aoe no way

[glass niche]

and he perfect

[gaunt otter]

no hate to devs but likes

3 cutscene a bit too much

[brittle sorrel]

Lower graphics ig

[gaunt otter]

too much work imo

[glass niche]

still it can ruin ur run

if that nuke don't send enemy to heaven

then your base will be

we only use nuke when we out of option right?

[gaunt otter]

im still tryna find out how that other dude

did 20m dmg with the nukes

with monarch

[glass niche]

274k min max for me

[brittle sorrel]

Is it actually confirmed that 1 kill = 3 summons guys 😭

[glass niche]

monarch sjw btw

[glass niche]

ye confrim just like yamamoto

[brittle sorrel]

I saw someone with 450k

[glass niche]

assist=summon

[glass niche]

im not even buff

but like getting to 600k

sound kind impossible outside of stage buff

[brittle sorrel]

Stage buff jinwoo goes to 2m

W monarch

[glass niche]

that only if you choose buff card

i don't even need one dang

also beru+gisselle+sjw

Fire combo

[gaunt otter]

like best i saw was around 300k

so 3m nuke

1.8m nuke

and 1.2m nuke

nowhere near 20mil wth

[brittle sorrel]

I think he was talking abt stage buff

[dusky merlin]

Beru is bad on jinwoo

They designed a buddy that doesn’t even work well with most summoners which is crazy

If the buff was like 30% it would be good

[brittle sorrel]

5% unknown dmg + 20% attack dmg at max is pretty gud ig

Prolly not the best on 3 placement Jin

[dusky merlin]

Is it 20%? Hmmm

[brittle sorrel]

Yeah

[dusky merlin]

Thought it was 16%

[brittle sorrel]

5 - 20%

[dusky merlin]

Still you are literally losing 5 shadows per attack

Which is awful

[glass niche]

that why gisselle exit bro

beru consume every summon

gisselle summon is pretty weak

but she summon alot

that make beru stable and alot better

[sand vector]

I rolled off of deadeye on sjw when update came out and got monarch did i make mistake?

Is monarch on him still usable in infinite

[dusky merlin]

no thats good

[dusky merlin]

yes but signifigantly worse in later rounds

[sand vector]

Also is old sjw not double evo better than his double evo for infinite leaderboards

[dusky merlin]

I dont know

[sand vector]

Oh

[dusky merlin]

ask someone who cares about infinite leaderboard

[ember girder]

Hes neccesary for leaderboards

Like a must bring

Cause you cant put out enough dps for the boss

[ember girder]

If i had to give a recommendation it would be just pull another sjw and evolve that one

Unless you don't care for leaderboards

If so then go haywire

[sand vector]

Ok

[plush bobcat]

I have deadeye and monarch song jin wu who should i evo? Monarch or deadeye?

And if someone know. New secret unit from raid. Has he synergy with other burn units?

[round haven]

Monarch tbh
Deadeye would only be better in inf lb runs, but even then regular sjw with deadeye would still be better for lb runs

[dusky merlin]

I need someone to do the math on this

Arise summons are better than named summons without monarch

[round haven]

?
they arent really

arise summons are 1/10th of enemy hp, but if hp is too high it takes more mana to summon
so rates become worse

[dusky merlin]

3 per kill though

[gaunt otter]

It just depends if ur using him has sub dps or main

[dusky merlin]

And the named summons get no scaling beyond attack

[round haven]

if enemy hp is high enough its 1 summon per 50 enemies that die😭

[dusky merlin]

They are just useless in endgame content without monarch

[dusky merlin]

I don’t think this is the case

What is the math on that?

How much hp = how much additional mana

[round haven]

it is
it takes a while to get to that point but it does happen

every 10% over 300% of sjw attack is +100% mana cost

base is 3

so like 640% of sjw attack means 100% of mana per arise

[gaunt otter]

U think on avg

It’s still better overall than mythic sjw arise

[round haven]

ngl idk but i dont think so

[gaunt otter]

Like mana regen overtime more beneficial over arise 2 min cd

[round haven]

cuz how many enemies are spawning late infs

[dusky merlin]

Still the named summons are just awful without monarch

Except iron

[round haven]

even beru can become pretty good
can hit like 300k traitless no gazelle

iron is like 800k😭

[dusky merlin]

Iron is not 800k

[gaunt otter]

Yeah ngl

[round haven]

was it 600k? it was one of the 2

[dusky merlin]

Iron is 750k with gazelle

[gaunt otter]

Sjw is sub dps

I’m still waiting on tierlist upd in comp server

[dusky merlin]

I tried so hard to like the named summons they are just not that good

[round haven]

in boss rush btw

so it was traitless

only buffer was subaru

[dusky merlin]

With subaru

Remove subaru now

No buffs just alone

Then you start to realize why arise is better for boss rushes because you can stack much higher amounts of damage

Just put irons in the back in case

[gaunt otter]

Like Ussop

[dusky merlin]

Other summons are laughably useless

[round haven]

idk about arise being better for boss rush
the enemy hp in boss rush is super low
i never tried them but steel + beru seems better tbh

[dusky merlin]

Duoed boss rush and sjw + 3 sabers cleared it no berserker seals

Only on arise

3 sjws + 3 sabers

[round haven]

hm okay that is pretty good
what time for a clear tho? i got a 10:24 using steel + beru on elite

[dusky merlin]

I haven’t tried solo

I’ll try once I finish gringing rerolls

[round haven]

cuz ngl solo the named summons seem like the move
but i could be wrong idk i havent used him that much

[dusky merlin]

I just hate how much micromanagement you gotta do with the named summons

They should add an option to auto spawn

[round haven]

yea its annoying, especially with summoning beru😭

gotta scroll the entire list

but his dmg makes it worth it imo

[simple crag]

how did yall get the evo already

or did the bug just save you

[round haven]

[gaunt otter]

Ours bugged

[simple crag]

ofc

[dusky merlin]

I had it 12 hours after the update lmao

[gaunt otter]

I literally hopped on when it updated

[dusky merlin]

I got the key first run and it skipped the 50 kills

[gaunt otter]

And got the key first match

[dusky merlin]

lol

[round haven]

i still have already done 50 dungeon clears and i farmed the 5k shadows but mine did bug

[gaunt otter]

Most rewarding bug in a while

I cba to do beru kills

[dusky merlin]

Do you know how much damage beru does with his attacks not his impact damage

I still don’t know lmao

[round haven]

idk

ngl i forgot he even had attacks

[simple crag]

do the clears from before you get your key count towards it??

[round haven]

yea

[dusky merlin]

He does that little roar

Cute lil roar might do decent dmg

[round haven]

probably

[simple crag]

hardest part of the evo gonna be getting another igris

[dusky merlin]

Igris boss rush

In

6 hours

[round haven]

i already had a 2nd evo one lying around
idk why release me did that, but it was a good idea

[gaunt otter]

Wait

[simple crag]

took 300+ boss rush last time

to get my first

[gaunt otter]

Boss rush resets in 6 hours??!

[round haven]

yea

[dusky merlin]

I just sacced my ethereal Igris because no use

[round haven]

peep timer

[gaunt otter]

Bro I haven’t started it yet

[round haven]

it resets when dailly stuff resets again

[dusky merlin]

Better get those rerolls

[round haven]

ngl rerolls are only thing i grind for

i cant be bothered to get the 500k gold

[dusky merlin]

I can smell the monarch gogeta this week 600+ down the drain

[simple crag]

that 500k is amust rn

[simple crag]

im 300 down rn

[round haven]

i got like 2.8M gold rn
its not for me

[gaunt otter]

I got 1m like weeks ago

[dusky merlin]

Uhhh yeah I got 4mil…

[gaunt otter]

Still have 780k

Gold is too easy

[dusky merlin]

Gold is abundant

[gaunt otter]

Gold to trait rr upd

[dusky merlin]

Rerolls are also abundant

Soooo many more since bounty update

[gaunt otter]

I hate the bounties

[round haven]

rerolls arent abundant enough
still not enough for me to get monarch sjw

[dusky merlin]

They are nice

[gaunt otter]

I cannot be asked to grind an hour for 10 rrs

[dusky merlin]

Gng you got monarch gogeta

[simple crag]

why

[gaunt otter]

They gotta be like AA

Just make super hard daily

[simple crag]

whaat

[round haven]

i need monarch sjw for worldlines

[simple crag]

id def do

[gaunt otter]

But it gives 10-15

It’s way to boring for me icl

[dusky merlin]

But gogeta better monarch :(

[round haven]

doesnt do shit in inf tsukiyomi

[gaunt otter]

What does inf tsukuyomi do again

[round haven]

monarch sjw means inf tsukiyomi wont be what stops me anymore
and that would be amazing

[round haven]

unbound only each hit makes enemies move faster

and sjw has so many nukes

[gaunt otter]

Unbound doesn’t seem that bad

[unborn atlas]

if i have a monarch igris why doesnt he make sung jin woo AND igris monarch??

[dusky merlin]

Are you doing leaderboard

[round haven]

it is when 8M boss hp and each hit makes them move faster

[round haven]

thats the goal

[gaunt otter]

Yeah no clue

[round haven]

im like 300 rrs into sjw and 4 solars so far

[gaunt otter]

I may be coping abt my monarch igris

I have no intent in spending hundreds of rrs again for monarch sjw

[dusky merlin]

I kinda got deadeye in 2 rerolls on jinwoo so I went back to rerolls on gogeta

[gaunt otter]

Just for another vanguard to come along

And replace bro

[unborn atlas]

i know you read my message @primal igloo 🤦‍♂️

[primal igloo]

Coz it wasn't made that way

Dunno what to tell you

[unborn atlas]

aw man

[primal igloo]

Wtf

[coarse thicket]

not a dev bro 😭

[gaunt otter]

We just need more voices

[primal igloo]

I replied before I saw that

Impatient ass

Should've not replied at all

[unborn atlas]

sowwy

[gaunt otter]

💀

[unborn atlas]

i thought u were a dev

[gaunt otter]

Devs are more rude

More voices

[unborn atlas]

fair enough

[gaunt otter]

Maybe one day claytaki will sit in his chair

And finally decide to spread happiness

[plush bobcat]

Yo guys u know forsaken owner love kids.

[unborn atlas]

but its so depressing man
imagine if you wasted all of your traits on igris cuz everyone said he was good

[gaunt otter]

Mid game

[unborn atlas]

then you have to sacrifice him and NOT get a evo 😭

[gaunt otter]

Yeah I understand cuz I’m F2P

[coarse thicket]

cope

[gaunt otter]

And I got monarch back then on upd 0

[round haven]

rolling on units before upd is the silliest thing tbh

[dusky merlin]

imagine spending rerolls on units that dont have something that will make them meta forever

[plush bobcat]

I remember when to beat igris boss event u must bring igris

[gaunt otter]

Upd 0 probably

[unborn atlas]

wat if its your favourite unit

wdym question mark??

[gaunt otter]

Igris is more tuff than sjw imo

[simple crag]

im sad cause pyseph got my hopes up

when he said igris is getting the second evo

[unborn atlas]

exactly

[simple crag]

or well implied he was getting one

[coarse thicket]

why you rolling on your favourite and not the meta 😭

[gaunt otter]

Yeah and then they showed both of them in trailer then clipped to evo area

We got robbed

[unborn atlas]

what if my favourite WAS the meta man

[coarse thicket]

thats so different what

[unborn atlas]

ts so unfortunate 💔

[primal igloo]

Clay is chill just likes to troll a lot

[gaunt otter]

Ball of unhappiness

[primal igloo]

can understand why you'd think he's not tho

[gaunt otter]

There is no trolling

[dusky merlin]

dont worry guys sukuna double evo will surely reward our monarchs

[round haven]

sukuna 1/2 evo
he downgrades himself

[coarse thicket]

please

[gaunt otter]

This is like the first unit ingame where u just gotta accept the monarch goes into the trash

[coarse thicket]

dont make double evo for sukuna 🙏

[gaunt otter]

I wish the devs responded better to it

[gaunt otter]

Horrible idea icl

[coarse thicket]

fuck jjk

[dusky merlin]

why do people hate jjk so much man

[coarse thicket]

no plot

[gaunt otter]

Overrated

[coarse thicket]

shit writing

[gaunt otter]

And media just force feeds it

[dusky merlin]

its a fighting series

[unborn atlas]

im pretty sure alot of people who had igris monarch quit cuz they have to sacrifice him

[dusky merlin]

writing is not shit its mid

[coarse thicket]

exactly

[dusky merlin]

its not bad its not good

[gaunt otter]

Yeah

[coarse thicket]

boring

[dusky merlin]

its average

[gaunt otter]

I just got a monarch after 1.5k rrs this upd

If I didn’t get it I would’ve quit lmao

[dusky merlin]

im just gonna say right now

this vanguard

is better than monarch igris

without a trait

[coarse thicket]

id hope so

its been half a year

[gaunt otter]

I mean

I guess

[dusky merlin]

he is

no arguments

[gaunt otter]

Igris has more use for me tbh

No stun shield breaker

[unborn atlas]

unlike previous updates when the game released, i actually haven't had a single issue with AV since they changed their dev team

[dusky merlin]

sjw has immunity to everything

[unborn atlas]

except the igris sacrifice fumble

but genuinely every update is peak

[gaunt otter]

Sjw is a horrible shield breaker bro

Small circle woe

[dusky merlin]

all attacks are multi hit

[coarse thicket]

why are you still using sjw

[gaunt otter]

Ur comparing a unit with small circle aoe to a full aoe multi hit

Igris is obv better for the job

[simple crag]

base jinwoo?

no

rulers hadn isnt

[dusky merlin]

why would I talk about base jinwoo????????

[unborn atlas]

we should make a petition

to make everyone who sacrificed their monarch igris

instantly get a monarch sung jin woo and igris evo

[simple crag]

why would you sacrifice

[dusky merlin]

no

[simple crag]

your monarch

igris

[gaunt otter]

Best thing claytaki is going to do is buff IGRIS when season 3 comes out

Like

In 7 months

😭

[unborn atlas]

i didnt even finish quest

but like

[dusky merlin]

we already got a buffed igris

vanguard igris

[unborn atlas]

to the dumbasses who did

[dusky merlin]

cope

[coarse thicket]

a year
minimum

[gaunt otter]

Right bro

Could’ve just made a simple system to pick trait or like

Best trait carries

[unborn atlas]

god bless i used my traits on sung jin woo

but its sad for those who have igris monarch

[gaunt otter]

I better see 500 rrs next upd

[coarse thicket]

why do people with monarch igris feel entititled to a second evo just because they got his monarch

[unborn atlas]

thats a stupid sentence bro

[gaunt otter]

It’s just the trait

[unborn atlas]

its sung jin woo AND igris

[gaunt otter]

lol

[unborn atlas]

its in the name

[coarse thicket]

how
thats literally what this suggestion is

[gaunt otter]

Point of suggestion is for monarch IGRIS to have purpose

Not igris himself

I don’t think any1 wants that

[unborn atlas]

youre calling people who have to sacrifice their monarch igris entitled

[coarse thicket]

deal with it ig
its literally half an update

[coarse thicket]

hes ass anyway 💀

[gaunt otter]

Sjw should’ve js been a secret

Crazy how IGRIS got nerfed too

Devs hate igris

[simple crag]

i dont feel entitled i was just excited when i saw pyseph say igris would get a second evo when he fell out of meta

[unborn atlas]

4/10 ragebait 🥀

[coarse thicket]

that was the old devs

[coarse thicket]

are you serious?

[gaunt otter]

Yeah

[unborn atlas]

2/10 ragebait 🥀

[coarse thicket]

he did say its an example

[dusky merlin]

AND THEY DID DO THAT

[gaunt otter]

But I’m NGL

[simple crag]

was disappointed when i found out it was 1 unit and igris infact didnt get the second evo

[gaunt otter]

The devs go back on their word constantly

Take what they say with a grain of salt

[simple crag]

igris did NOT get a second evo jinwoo did

[unborn atlas]

they buffed him for one mode bro 💔

[coarse thicket]

ok

not like sjw is the mc or anything

[dusky merlin]

no they gave us sjw and igris

[coarse thicket]

igris is literally a shadow bro

[simple crag]

dawg all i said is i aws disappointed

[dusky merlin]

sjw and igris is igris's double evo

[gaunt otter]

Y isn’t iron or beru a unit

[simple crag]

i thought they were BOTH getting an evo

[gaunt otter]

And why did igris get a whole boss rush

😭

[simple crag]

it isnt 😭 its just sjw

[unborn atlas]

u are in the right, those guys are just dumb

[dusky merlin]

its both

[gaunt otter]

Bro is not just a regular shadow in this game

[coarse thicket]

ik
but people acting like igris should be getting this second evo aswell as sjw
which would be stupid

[gaunt otter]

no!

Nobody

[coarse thicket]

its half an update jesus
what do you expect

[gaunt otter]

People want monarch

Not igris double evo

[coarse thicket]

huh

[unborn atlas]

devs
beautiful devs, notice how the entire sub is just people mad that you didnt let igris also get an evo

like come on 💔 just make both of them evolvable

[dusky merlin]

sjw doesnt even need monatch

[gaunt otter]

Ppl aren’t sad that igris didn’t get a double evo

[dusky merlin]

go reroll on gogeta he needs monarch

[gaunt otter]

They are disappointed cuz their monarch doesn’t transfer over like sjw

[coarse thicket]

???

yes they are what

[simple crag]

erm yes i am

[gaunt otter]

Who is genuinely sad abt their igris that doesn’t have monarch on it

When most of the new units moves is igris

[unborn atlas]

chirps i dont think you standing on bidness

you know you in the right, say it as it is, we are mad that igris didnt get a double evo with sjw

[gaunt otter]

“We”💔

[unborn atlas]

devs add a second evo to igris, they are an iconic duo and the players dont read the manhwa, [they cant read in general] so make them all happy and give both igris and sjw a double evo

[gaunt otter]

I personally think the new unit is basically a second evo to IGRIS anyways

Every attack is igris

[fallow surge]

Give it up

[gaunt otter]

And bro has two cutscenes lol

[coarse thicket]

blacklist

[unborn atlas]

sybau

[gaunt otter]

How can u be disappointed abt that

[fallow surge]

It’s not happening

[unborn atlas]

go back to general

[simple crag]

shii im just sad cause i have monarch LMAO

[coarse thicket]

💀

[unborn atlas]

no job behaviour

[gaunt otter]

Yh that’s the point lmao

[fallow surge]

Correct

[unborn atlas]

🥀

[simple crag]

realistically no reason to be mad if you didnt have monarch igris

[harsh drum]

this isnt happening get a job you hobos

[unborn atlas]

go back to doomscrolling on tiktok bro ts aint for you

[gaunt otter]

exactly lol

This unit is what we asked for

It’s just the trait issue lol

[unborn atlas]

speak for urself L

[coarse thicket]

"ts" telling me to go back to doomscrolling
why are you so rattled for 💀

[gaunt otter]

Rattled

[unborn atlas]

i have to communicate in ur language or else you might think im speaking in hieroglyphs

do you know what a hieroglyph is?

[coarse thicket]

"ur"

clearly you dont

[coarse thicket]

cheers for that

[gaunt otter]

😭

[coarse thicket]

still dont understand why youre so angry for

not that deep

[unborn atlas]

we need a second evo for igris
we need justice

[gaunt otter]

He’s fighting for his igris

[coarse thicket]

pack it in already holy shit
its not happening

[gaunt otter]

SABER BANNER

[unborn atlas]

dont understand why you been rotting in this sub for an hour
go rot in general, be a lil social abt it 🥀

[gaunt otter]

It is

But uh in a year

💔

[unborn atlas]

we need justice devs add igris second evo

[gaunt otter]

Bro no

[unborn atlas]

do it for the love of the fans cmon

[unborn atlas]

wha

why

[gaunt otter]

Dude the new unit is THE SECOND EVO

[coarse thicket]

aint this you

[gaunt otter]

what do u not understand

Every attack is igris

Two cutscenes is igris

Rest is sjw

That’s basically double evo

It’s the just trait issue

[unborn atlas]

oh

thats my bad i misspoke

[gaunt otter]

Which just makes any double unit evo situation tough in this game

[unborn atlas]

i am talking about the monarch thingy

[gaunt otter]

Hope they don’t continue like this

[unborn atlas]

cmon devs make monarch igris transfer to the evo 💔

[gaunt otter]

It can possibly happen if talked about in stage Ngl

[unborn atlas]

make it so that if we sacrifice him theres an animation where hes donating the trait to his master sjw

[gaunt otter]

This post has some type of traction

[obsidian mantle]

?

[unborn atlas]

we fight for justice
We fight for the peopleeeeee

[harsh drum]

mostly becauseyou spend your entire day in this thread

[unborn atlas]

its paying off tho 201 stars

hell some admins and testers talking in here

he may be doing work 🥀

[harsh drum]

15+ hours on discord for some stars 💔

[dusky merlin]

trash

[unborn atlas]

its paying off tho

[obsidian mantle]

What?

Monarchist better than deadeye

Idc if the summons crit

[dusky merlin]

named summmons are bad without monarch

[obsidian mantle]

You think lb runs is the only end game content in the game?

There’s worldines, and Odyesst

Monarch will forever be better

[unborn atlas]

not released

[obsidian mantle]

We know what it is about

Please shut up

[copper ridge]

Worldlines

[unborn atlas]

mb

[dusky merlin]

named summmons are bad without monarch

read my sentence

[copper ridge]

Sjw might just be a game changer for worldlines

[round haven]

worldlines is all i care about now tbh
sjw carries almost all of it

[unborn atlas]

bros playing anime vanguards 2 🙏

[unborn atlas]

wha

but

why

it doesnt give essence tho

[round haven]

what?

[obsidian mantle]

Lb rewards?

[obsidian mantle]

Okay, and?

[round haven]

wydm essence

[unborn atlas]

i misread ur msg mb

[obsidian mantle]

Are you telling us to spin off monarch because it’s not the best trait for him??

[copper ridge]

Are the nammed summons even that bad tho

[obsidian mantle]

That’s a dumb logic

[copper ridge]

Beru looks cracked

[obsidian mantle]

Beru is trash

You’ll never use him in wl

[round haven]

no
they are quite good
steel can destroy bosses

[obsidian mantle]

Or tourney

[unborn atlas]

i thought you wrote: i only play worldlines

[copper ridge]

🤔

[unborn atlas]

mb

[dusky merlin]

that was the entire sentence you responded to

[unborn atlas]

mb

[round haven]

oh nah i mean for lb stuff
now that unknown can do inf tsukiyomi thats all i care about

[unborn atlas]

broooooooooooooo imagine if igris was unbound and if you evolved sjw and igris together you get two elements

hypothetically

[obsidian mantle]

By that logic we should spin off monarch till deadeye?
Deadeye is better than monsrch on almost every single dps units and you out here telling us to spin off monarch because it’s not good for two selected names, stupid logic you’re giving us here

[unborn atlas]

i think u misread his msg

[gaunt otter]

U have the same rank as me 🫠

[dusky merlin]

I never said that

think u replied to the wrong person

[gaunt otter]

Only unit ingame that’s lowkey worse with monarch is ragna💔

[wide scaffold]

yo he’s a rage baiter don’t fall for it 😭✌️

[obsidian mantle]

Its directly for you,

[round haven]

not even lowkey he just is

[obsidian mantle]

You think people will deny you because you have monarch sjw over deadeye sjw??

[gaunt otter]

Point is

[simple crag]

cha in

[gaunt otter]

Go for deadeye and if u get monarch then ur lucky

[round haven]

for progressives monarch still best
monarch ragna has 0 use cases

[obsidian mantle]

You won’t even be invited to lb runs If your only dps unit is mon sjw anyways

[gaunt otter]

Besides cha in and archer too

[wide scaffold]

wat is going on

what yall taking about

[round haven]

monarch is actually better on archer cuz of domain being global
just barely but overall dps its better

[copper ridge]

Something about monarch and deadeye on evo sjw

[unborn atlas]

g money ive asked a tester how they got tester in here but idk if ive asked you
but how did you get tester? did u get it through roblox talent hub?

[gaunt otter]

Lowk didn’t even know

[obsidian mantle]

Hand picked

[wide scaffold]

Like double evo or normal evo

[obsidian mantle]

They won’t pick you because of your altitude

[maiden warren]

lucy

[copper ridge]

Double

[unborn atlas]

i mean i can try

[round haven]

i was active in #1255566269814407169 and was just kinda chosen 1 day
i know they have done talent hub stuff in the past but idk how they do it now

[wide scaffold]

they both good imo

[copper ridge]

Hand picked sigmas from this server

[obsidian mantle]

You haven’t reported any bugs anyway

There are others who will have a priority over you..

Someone they can rely on etc

[unborn atlas]

i literally post in there 💔

[obsidian mantle]

Yeah, but are you active as them..?

[gaunt otter]

I found a bug

[obsidian mantle]

like I said it’s all about your personality

[gaunt otter]

Woke up and I lost 20 monarchs😂

[unborn atlas]

i bug reported today yes

[gaunt otter]

Hopefully they restore me maybe

[obsidian mantle]

You can request for a restore

[gaunt otter]

It was prank

😓

[obsidian mantle]

That’s okay,

They’ll still do it

[gaunt otter]

U think that there’s ppl who forged evidence

To get like fake restores

[round haven]

checking if a restore is real is fairly easy

[copper ridge]

Devs can check accounts im pre sure

[gaunt otter]

Ah there’s logs

[dusky merlin]

ok im kinda confused

do you

what trait do you think is best on jinwoo

you've been saying 2 different things

[gaunt otter]

Monarch obv

[obsidian mantle]

Monarch overall

Bro

[copper ridge]

Monarch is still better overall

[obsidian mantle]

This is what pmo

[dusky merlin]

so why did you say

[copper ridge]

Pmo 💔

[dusky merlin]

what did you say here

[obsidian mantle]

People says deadeye because of lb runs but it’s not the only late game end content in this game

[gaunt otter]

But like in extreme scenarios like INF

deadeye would be better for Aizen than monarch

[obsidian mantle]

There’s worldlines, odyesst, tourney, and rifts

[gaunt otter]

Cuz of dps crit proc

[obsidian mantle]

They’ll fix the tourney scaling soon making monarch sjw the better option

[round haven]

ability tho

[gaunt otter]

Wym

[copper ridge]

Is it confirmed that odyssey mode will just be the reworked paragon?

Or is it something completely different

[obsidian mantle]

Yah

[round haven]

his ability boosts his aura dmg
so monarch better cuz global cd

[obsidian mantle]

No,

Deadeye is better for Aizen

His aura can crit

[gaunt otter]

I mean I was doing multiple tests

And deadeye far surpassed dps

Though only in inf

[round haven]

his ability big dps boost if used right
and deadye doesnt benefit from that as much

[obsidian mantle]

You were telling us that beru , and another summon was absoulty trash with monarch so I was like are you telling us we should spin off monsrch because it’s not good for the two summons while deadeye is good for those two summons?

[gaunt otter]

I’m js saying my results from testing

Max potential monarch Aizen and max potential deadeye

[round haven]

like ik that deadye would be more overall dmg, but i think the ability with monarch would tip the scale more
idk tho im not that confident in my inf lb knowledge

[dusky merlin]

I said named summons are bad without moanrch

maybe you misread

[ember girder]

Monarch Aizen is better for short content deadaye aizen is better for longform

[gaunt otter]

Dawg I just need a good unknown unit

[obsidian mantle]

So why were you saying deadeye was the better trait overall ?

[gaunt otter]

My Sakura is bunz

[obsidian mantle]

That’s not true

In tourney deadeye slams

[ember girder]

True

[obsidian mantle]

Since you’re meant to farm damage

And tourney is important

[simple crag]

tournament is longorm

[wide scaffold]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[ember girder]

I mean ig it depends on the tourney aswell

Some are kills dependant

[coarse thicket]

which is not short term content

[obsidian mantle]

Deadeye Aizen is a lot more better than monarch aizsj for the new gamemode

Which is short term

[simple crag]

that is hnot short term either bro

[ember girder]

30 waves is long

[simple crag]

what

[obsidian mantle]

Each Aizen can cover up 3-4 lanes

[coarse thicket]

not really?

its quite long

and itll just be more expensive

monarch more worth it atp

[ember girder]

Short is like 15 20 waves

[simple crag]

its 4x the length of a normal staeg ☠️

[round haven]

4x?

its 30 waves

[coarse thicket]

5 mins vs 20 mins

[round haven]

oh that

[gaunt otter]

5 minutes for 15 vs 20 minutes for 30

[dusky merlin]

I currently have not tested monarch and belive both traits are quite close but depends on what you want to use sjw for

[coarse thicket]

what am i looking at

[mellow ginkgo]

wait what was the og suggestion im too lazy to scroll up

[obsidian mantle]

Aizen can cover 4 lanes

Each wizen can do that

[coarse thicket]

ok?

[simple crag]

basically have the trait from igris transfer to jinwoo when sacrificing if its better than jinwoos trait

[round haven]

make igris actually do something instead of being sacraficed

[obsidian mantle]

With monarch you can’t do that

[coarse thicket]

ok?

[gaunt otter]

That’s awesome but like

[ember girder]

Dawg this is general 2 pretty much

[obsidian mantle]

That shows deadeye being the better option overall

[coarse thicket]

monarch is still more worth it in dungeon

[gaunt otter]

What correlation does Aizen have with this event

[obsidian mantle]

Same goes for rifts

That’s short term

[obsidian mantle]

No it isn’t

[gaunt otter]

Just use cha in, igris, and sjw

[mellow ginkgo]

ong 5k messages for a suggestion is crazy

[obsidian mantle]

Beru very spawns randomly

[coarse thicket]

yes so you want monarch not deadeye 😭

[obsidian mantle]

Especially if you want mango it

Why would you want moneach Aizen?

There’s no way of telling where Beru spawns

Plus he’s single hit

[coarse thicket]

what are you on about bro

[obsidian mantle]

So if you have dodge you’re mostly likely fucked

[coarse thicket]

so you bring lucy

[ember girder]

You can just

Resell

[coarse thicket]

pick slayer

[mellow ginkgo]

cant say nun when i have solar on both sung and igris

[coarse thicket]

pick freeze units

[obsidian mantle]

Not possible if you want mango

[ember girder]

Lucy doesnt work

[coarse thicket]

have you ever played this game

[ember girder]

It's only built in mechanics

[obsidian mantle]

That’s a waste of slot…

You’ll break the mechanic

With Aizen rewind

[coarse thicket]

huhhh

[simple crag]

mine is monarch igris solar jinwoo

[coarse thicket]

is this dude deadass

[obsidian mantle]

??

[round haven]

does that still happen now? or did cc priority fix that

[gaunt otter]

Suggestion was also to shape future duo units this one won’t be the first time this happens I promise

[obsidian mantle]

I rewind when Beru escapes my Aizen range

[ember girder]

You cant do it anyways in this event lmao

[obsidian mantle]

Yeah it does

[obsidian mantle]

You can

Dude

[simple crag]

cc seems to break aizen wall rn actually

[coarse thicket]

why would you do that

oh wait

[simple crag]

bosseskeep walking through it

[coarse thicket]

mb

read it wrong

[round haven]

what bosses

[obsidian mantle]

All

[ember girder]

Mango is unviable on these kind of events cause the rng messes up consistency

[obsidian mantle]

Including beru

[simple crag]

saber just walked through it

[obsidian mantle]

But that only happens cuz I’m using esdrath

[coarse thicket]

this is true

[round haven]

saber ignores all cc rn

[coarse thicket]

#1351596657468506183

[gaunt otter]

Yet spirit event got mango

[obsidian mantle]

Wrong

You can mango this raid

[ember girder]

That was image based tho

[obsidian mantle]

Which makes deadeye better

[ember girder]

Youll get banned for that

[mellow ginkgo]

i can see duo units happening like this but i think they needa do better with the current sjw vanguard model cus igris just takes up the whole icon and is kinda meh compared to what sung could've looked like (shadow transformation)

[coarse thicket]

you wont

[obsidian mantle]

Can have him hold 8 lines

[obsidian mantle]

No…

[gaunt otter]

Yeah lol

[obsidian mantle]

That’s how it’s meant to happen

[ember girder]

You literally do anything that isnt click based puts you in a Bad spot

[obsidian mantle]

It’s followed Manneha

Manwha

Real sjw players know why it’s showing ifris

Instead of. She

She

She

Sjw

[gaunt otter]

Y

[simple crag]

probablythat one thing where jinwoo walksout of igris cape

[gaunt otter]

Are we serious😭

[ember girder]

Guess what image based mango does

[simple crag]

image based mangos dont involve game code

[coarse thicket]

it doesnt

[obsidian mantle]

Manga spoilsrs