#monarch placement scaling

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fickle void
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monarch sort of pigeonholes this game into never having well balanced low placement units. you cant really afford to print a unit like gogeta without monarch gogeta being objectively the best unit in the game, and other low placement units would be forced into being either terrible without monarch or broken with monarch.

monarch damage increase is 300%, or a 4x increase. this means it's good for any unit 4 placements or below, and actively detrimental to the total dps of 5 placements or higher, making high placement units objectively not very good.

this shows in the game's tower design already, 99% of towers are 3 placements because it's really the only placement number where monarchs can be "balanced" relative to their rarity.

the solution to this issue would be monarch damage scaling. this would nerf prominent issues like monarch gogeta (without making regular gogeta worse) and buff units like ha chae in who struggle in the meta because of their placement numbers.

SCALING:
2 placement: 200% (3x damage)
3 placement: 300% (4x damage) (the standard increase already)
4 placement: 400% (5x damage)
5 placement: 500% (6x damage)
etc.

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TLDR: monarch should add damage based on how many placements the unit had before getting monarch, instead of just adding a flat 300%

lost rune
fickle void
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wiki says its a flat 300

lost rune
lost rune
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4 placement less damage then 3 place

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5 even less

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2 more than 3 ig

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1 more than 2

arctic kraken
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bro did you even read 😭

fickle void
# lost rune 1 more than 2

i genuinely think i could not have worded my suggestion more clearly and you have somehow still misinterpreted it

lost rune
lost rune
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I only read the last message

spring sparrow
fickle void
spring sparrow
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More placements the better

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Thts wht they meant

lost rune
half spade
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you're not cooking

lost rune
half spade
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so glad you arent a dev

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imagine if you were triyng to get the devs on your side to add this

fickle void
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this suggestion is a direct buff or no change to every monarch except for gogeta so i dont see why this is a bad thing

half spade
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nah, I won't explain

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its a waste of time when nobody is on ur side

fickle void
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ok<3

lost rune
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@spring sparrow

trim flare
fickle void
spring sparrow
lost rune
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Tldr = too long didn’t read

fickle void
trim flare
fickle void
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that is not what i am suggesting

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please read

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the message

trim flare
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but if u roll monarch on a unit that has more than 3 placement they will gain a dps decrease

fickle void
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❤️

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i know

lost rune
fickle void
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i know

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i fucking know man

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jfc

trim flare
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then what is this suggestion for

fickle void
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read the suggestion to find out

trim flare
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i aint reading allat

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summarize it

lost rune
fickle void
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OH MY GOD MAN READ

trim flare
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wtf does tldr mean

fickle void
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READDDDDD

trim flare
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I AINT READING ALLAT

lost rune
trim flare
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ts suggestion wont change anything in te game then

fickle void
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how have 3 people misinterpreted this suggestion already i literally could not have worded it clearer

trim flare
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cuz thats legit how monarchs works

fickle void
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this server is at a 2nd grade reading level 💔

lost rune
lost rune
fickle void
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instead of giving a 300% damage buff, the damage buff should be based on the placements the unit had ^-^

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is that not an elementary school level sentence

lost rune
lost rune
fickle void
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Monarch now:
Units with this trait receive +300% Damage boost, -10% SPA reduction, +5% Range boost, but are limited to ONE PLACEMENT.

Monarch with my suggestion
Units with this trait receive +100% Damage per placement the unit had before getting monarch, -10% SPA reduction, +5% Range boost, but are limited to ONE PLACEMENT.

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i will not spell it out for you any further

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if you do not understand now i fear there is no hope for you in the future

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lost rune
supple trench
solemn bough
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this just ruins the point of monarch

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not every unit should have it as their best trait

lost rune
supple trench
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it should be that

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only exception should be passives

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not placement

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lets say a unit has a support local cooldown ability

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you wouldn't want monarch on that unit

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but because its 5 placement my fucking 0.1% trait is worthless ?

solemn bough
supple trench
solemn bough
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monarch is good on most units unless you’re doing lb runs pretty much

solemn bough
supple trench
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its just very very irritating that getting a 0.1% trait is sometimes a bad thing lol

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what's the point of it being rare if its going to be bad

solemn bough
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this post defeats the purpose of monarch
it’s literally making it more op

supple trench
solemn bough
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it’s already op is my point

lost rune
solemn bough
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why buff it more

supple trench
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well if u look at it a certain way its a unit buff more than its a trait buff

solemn bough
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making so 5 placement units have the same damage increase as 3 placement is just stupid

supple trench
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3 placement units will remain the same

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5 placements get buffed

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1 placement gets nerfed without nerfing normal variant

solemn bough
supple trench
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makes nothing op

solemn bough
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why even do that

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not every unit needs monarch to be good

supple trench
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cuz 5 placement already get cost reduced by 4x i think

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thats already op

solemn bough
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but the dps is decreased

supple trench
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slightly

solemn bough
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that’s why you want ethereal

supple trench
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you lose 1x damage

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but gain 4x cost reduction

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i'd keep that if not for LB

half spade
solemn bough
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not worth it in lb runs

half spade
solemn bough
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any unit is good with monarch unless you actual do lb
which a lot of people dont

half spade
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mon on yhwach is the definiton of a unit you want it on

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good dps on support mode

supple trench
# half spade you would

i meant someone like orehimi (maybe tiny damage)but with an ability lol, yhwach is a monster dps

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i wasn't clear

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it doesn't need to change though

fickle void
supple trench
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@fickle void i think you are just not considering the price reduction on the unit from monarch, if we are talking strictly LB we have ethereal

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i hope i pinged the right person 💀

solemn bough
fickle void
lost rune
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Your tldr said monarch give 300% buf

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Make if scale on placement

fickle void
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monarch gogeta is a problem and other 2 placement units are gonna be impossible to balance around monarch

fickle void
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you wouldnt be saying stupid shit

lost rune
fickle void
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gogeta should not be getting 3 placements worth of value when it's balanced around having 2 placements

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and ha chae in shouldnt be actively hindered by the rarest trait in the game

supple trench
supple trench
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random numbers just for example

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in LB tho yea that'd suck but i'll just get ethereal if i want to be that competitive

fickle void
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didnt think of it like that

supple trench
fickle void
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def think something like monarch chae in is still underwhelming compared to other monarchs

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and either other monarchs need to be brought down or monarch chae in buffed

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for it to compete

supple trench
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well i think its just ppl shitting on them so much without understanding anything that makes them feel that way

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like for the longest time i have had monarch ragna, the amount of ppl making fun of it is insane

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but no one considers that i can literally get 20k dps in wave 4 low spa

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with normal ragna you'd have to wait like wave 8 to start upgrading and he's bad early defense

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which already makes u lose a ton of damage and early defense

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no one considers that because they simply don't know or haven't tried all they know is that ppl say monarch ragna is worthless, but it has its use

lost rune
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So the only reason u made this suggestion because u got monarch cha in

spring sparrow
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Selfish ahh

short stream
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yes make diavolo even worse

fickle void
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i dont have monarchs at all

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^-^

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monarch is a poorly designed trait that bottlenecks all future 2 placements into being terrible without it or broken with it

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and nerfs 5+ placements by merely existing

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and, if monarch is not reworked, it will cause tons of balance issues in the future

fickle void