Rethink Vanguard units

[foggy lotus]

bump

[gritty geyser]

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[native condor]

Bump

[marble hare]

I gotttt gogetaaaaaa

And it turn into crazy events

If u wanna know the event

Ask me

Cause its fucking hilarious

[hollow socket]

gogeta is generally garbage unless u have monarch so i dont rly see him as being a meta unit for f2p players

[blissful elm]

Cheater

[marble hare]

am sry

💀 i was not even able to see tha opening because my fucking parrot thought u know what time is it , its time learn flying

[west plover]

He’s good without monarch, having inf range is nothing to scoff at

[primal dirge]

can we nerf amount of shit you get from afk chambers

gogeta is basically a free unit rn

[errant mist]

hell no

this shit is even worse then legend stage pity

[oak heron]

what is bro on abt

[errant mist]

do you just hate grinding for anything

[west plover]

Who likes sitting at there chair grinding a atd game?

[errant mist]

people who want the unit I would assume

[oak heron]

what

[errant mist]

youre complaining about there being no pity for yama

[oak heron]

mfs will always try to justify a MINDLESS grind

[errant mist]

afk chamber exists btw

[oak heron]

huh

who was complaining

[oak heron]

cause thats super fun and engaing 🔥

[west plover]

Those people have way to much free time then, if it wasn’t for the afk chamber vanguards would be the worst thing to grace this game

[errant mist]

then play something else while u let it afk?

[oak heron]

huh

what kind of demonic pc do you think im on

[west plover]

We love afk simulator💔

[errant mist]

nobody is forcing you to get gogeta

[blissful elm]

My mac cant even run roblox properly bruh

[errant mist]

nice team bro

[oak heron]

?

[blissful elm]

The top left

[errant mist]

ye i see the 30 fps

sucks to suck

[oak heron]

onb

[oak heron]

drop your inv fr

[errant mist]

mythic traits only?

or what

[oak heron]

units in general

cause idk why everyone judging me on a team im using for takedowns

[errant mist]

only doing the evolved ones, no point in showing unevo units

[oak heron]

icl ts pmo

why u got alucard and gogeta

[errant mist]

because im better

[oak heron]

debateable

ima cop gogeta and diavolo

[warm zenith]

bump

[native condor]

Are you fr bro

[primal dirge]

yeah its way too high

gogeta's value is trash rn

[native condor]

If you didn't have him you wouldn't say that

[primal dirge]

Well the average for getting gogeta

is 3 million

you can get 70k per night/in school or work with vip only

and the currency is really easy to farm

in portals too

and rewarding as you also get gifts, a chance at ragna, and snowflakes

its easy as fuck

a lot of people have like 4+ gogetas

[placid lagoon]

Honestly being able to AFK Vanguard units is kinda stupid

imo

[primal dirge]

yeah

[native condor]

Which is not alot

You'll need approximately 43 Overnights of afk to get 3M

Just to THEORETICALLY get him

I think it's perfect the way it is

[primal dirge]

its a lot for you doing absolutely nothing

[quaint wolf]

not rlly

[carmine fox]

why do people make such annoying suggestions

how is this gonna

[quaint wolf]

you'll get a lot more if u mango

[torpid ermine]

so you think spending 15 minutes getting a mm acro that will farm at like double the speed of afk chamber counts as doing work?

[carmine fox]

boost the player count

"pls balance a 1 in 40k unit"

😭

[placid lagoon]

U cant really do it for portals though

Unless mango doesnt mean what I think it is

idk

[signal moon]

Fuck no

[carmine fox]

this suggestion means literally nothing

it’s not gonna change anything

[torpid ermine]

Gogeta then dropped and is still the highest dps unit in the game

😭

"The game won't be balanced around these units"

Uh huh

[placid lagoon]

The game isnt even balanced on Gogeta

He's pretty bad in traitless

[signal moon]

gogeta should have had about half the dps at MOST

[carmine fox]

pretty sure gogeta dps is cuz of public relations or wtv

like

more attention to the game

[placid lagoon]

and hes not even top 5 by the wiki

[torpid ermine]

The wiki overall TL ain't mean shit

[placid lagoon]

Yes it does

[torpid ermine]

No it doesn't

wdym

[placid lagoon]

Its not like only 1 person made it

[torpid ermine]

exactly

[signal moon]

ok well explain how I use gogeta and get MVP in nearly every rift, he's broken

[native condor]

You best believe when a Blast tournament comes in you'll need Gogeta

[placid lagoon]

Is he Monarch?

[native condor]

To compete

[torpid ermine]

this is his dps triple kanji and then double it with his clone

[carmine fox]

what trait

[torpid ermine]

100k dps no buffers for 168k

[signal moon]

monarch, however half the time im competing with people who have 3-4 monarchs, while I just have gogeta and julias

[placid lagoon]

Monarch :P

[west plover]

That one tester with the blue name said something about vanguards being meta was because currency for them is easier to get or sum

[placid lagoon]

Im just saying the game is only competitive traitless

[torpid ermine]

he's only used with monarch

[placid lagoon]

Trait tournaments are inherently not balanced\

[torpid ermine]

this is not true you do understand leaderboards exist

paragon existed

[signal moon]

(and thankfully will be removed)

[placid lagoon]

Those are also just trait show-offs

[torpid ermine]

the only traitless comp mode is traitless tournies

[placid lagoon]

And are 99% P2W for having Monarch/Ethereal

And thats about it

[signal moon]

and I guess boss rushes because like

they're auto traitless

[torpid ermine]

boss rushes

wordlines

[placid lagoon]

Traitless

[signal moon]

nah worldlines dont count

they include traits

[placid lagoon]

Which is why you never see Gogeta in boss rush

[torpid ermine]

ok so we have boss rushes and traitless tournies

and no one even cares allat much about either atp

[placid lagoon]

Gogeta's just unbalanced because they thought it was a good idea to make an unit with 1 placement

[heavy quail]

well boss rush is free 40 trait rerolls every wednesday

[placid lagoon]

Which I think is kinda stupid

[heavy quail]

Basically need monarch to make it good

[torpid ermine]

All it does is force monarch

[placid lagoon]

Yeah
Diavolo's 2 placement should be the lowest in my opinion

[torpid ermine]

there's already several other units that make it the best trait

[placid lagoon]

Otherwise its kinda cringe

[torpid ermine]

such as any with an ability

[placid lagoon]

Exactly

[signal moon]

does bro even know how to use the word "cringe"

[placid lagoon]

It has like infinite meanings at this point

[heavy quail]

i want a vanguard unit 💔

[signal moon]

because this dumbfuck generation cant speak normally and have to label everything with a word that describes anything BUT what it actually means

[placid lagoon]

Damn thats a lot of hate u let out

Which I have nothing to do with

So

[west plover]

[signal moon]

I aint wrong though so like

[torpid ermine]

facts

[heavy quail]

noo some guy took my #1 spot in tournament

for the fourth time

now i have to battle for it again 😞

[west plover]

Ts pmo ngl💔

[signal moon]

you'll get it back bro

[heavy quail]

well

[west plover]

Tststst

[heavy quail]

i got 4,572 kills

with only monarch yhwach

Hopefully i can squeeze in 5 more kills

[west plover]

😮‍💨

[drifting furnace]

Blud focus on ur dead yt channel 😭

[torpid ermine]

just wait for the last day

[signal moon]

the fact I had to google a part of that only proves my point bruh 😭

[heavy quail]

I need to show my dominance immediately

[placid lagoon]

Oh I forgot he's Cosmic

[signal moon]

I don't feel like it right now

Nothing I do is gonna work anyway

[heavy quail]

alright

[drifting furnace]

Blud never give up gng 😭

[west plover]

I don’t even know what pmo stands for, nor will I look it up

[heavy quail]

yhwach luffy jonathan joseph goku ichigo rares

good team?

[west plover]

I just think it’s silly

[signal moon]

pisses me off or something

[west plover]

Pmo💔

[placid lagoon]

Are those all 5 placement?

[heavy quail]

it means pissing me off

[heavy quail]

no

6 placement

i expiremented in sandbox

[placid lagoon]

Ahh

[heavy quail]

Only goku isnt 6 placement cs theres only 4 of them in the game

[west plover]

Why is everyone so pissed off💔

[signal moon]

who said I was giving up? Im just not working on it right now, I have other things to do, messaging here while doing lessons, plus im too late to anything to actually make content anyway

[heavy quail]

ye it helps so much

[drifting furnace]

🤣

[west plover]

Being a content creator for a atd is hell

[heavy quail]

the problem is

2 guys im battling for #1

have monarch yhwach like me

monarch gogeta monarch aizen

??

[west plover]

Barley any actual content to make about the game

Atleast normal gacha games have interesting team building discussions

[signal moon]

yeah, it is, likely because any attempt I make is overshadowed by someone who posted a video 5 seconds earlier, and even when I am the first one, youtube decides to kill the video by forcing it out to people who aren't interested

[heavy quail]

i also spend 105 rerolls on aizen today for 2 solars and a deadeye

[signal moon]

im lowkey considering just trying my hand at a zenless video when Im caught up with the meta

[heavy quail]

The luck transfered to banner luck so basically im getting gogeta with 6k presents today

[primal dirge]

he's soo common

stop complaining

[heavy quail]

??

Common

hes NOT common

[signal moon]

they're ragebaiting, dont give them attention

[west plover]

Yeah any hoyo game is good for content if your consistent

[heavy quail]

I can see his poitn though

Everyone i see in lobby has gogeta

But thats js cs theyre lucky

[signal moon]

PROBLEM IS

im not a fucking weirdo

I just like the gamble and grind

[west plover]

😔
that is fair lol

[primal dirge]

the autofarms are way harder to do + They are less rewarding wdym, I have tried some myself, afk chambers are indeed more rewarding

[heavy quail]

Should i spend my next afk chamber on gogeta

Or rerolls

[signal moon]

get gogeta then rerolls

[heavy quail]

Oké

Im gamblign all the presents immediately

i am NOT saving

[west plover]

🤑

[signal moon]

I just hate how they're doing the game
shit was good on release, then they just keep going FURTHER AND FURTHER from being normal and acceptable

[heavy quail]

No av is still good

[lavish galleon]

Monarch gogeta is mid guys stop complaining they have to nerf naruto he is too powerful

[heavy quail]

Its the best td game on roblox rn

[signal moon]

talking bout zenless

[west plover]

All hoyo games are dying, this was inevitable

[signal moon]

its not about them dying, its about them going deeper into degenerate shit

[west plover]

Them going deeper into degeneracy is because they are dying lol

[heavy quail]

Oh

Zzz

[oak heron]

wha

for gogeta ?

hell nah

its 10x better than afk chamber

[signal moon]

the animators at zenless should've been used anywhere but on a game meant for degens

would've loved the animation in a wholesome game

[oak heron]

presents and slowflakes and gifts are better than gems and presents alone

[signal moon]

dude

they're ragebaiting

why yall giving this mf any attention?

[heavy quail]

well in chamber u dont gotta do anything

[heavy quail]

i got timed out for 1 minute for sayin sm

[oak heron]

?

[heavy quail]

😭 😭

[heavy quail]

Im saying its easier to use chamber to your advantage than winter portals

[oak heron]

i literally take less time to start a mango than go to afk chamber

dead ahh

[heavy quail]

start a mango

huwh

😭 😭

[primal dirge]

-They are hard to setup
-You need very good units
-You need good internet
-They waste a lot of time resetting the match which makes them less effective
-The free ones aren't that good

[oak heron]

they use ONE round to reset match

[heavy quail]

I jus want gogeta 💔

[oak heron]

you lose a single round to set up and your good

[heavy quail]

can you even setup a winter portal

[oak heron]

and the free one is literally just fine

[heavy quail]

ye

[primal dirge]

you also run out of namek ones

[oak heron]

shibuya??

shibuya is free as well ☠️

[primal dirge]

shibuya is harder

[oak heron]

braely

[primal dirge]

some people can't even solo namek

[oak heron]

barely*

[heavy quail]

winter portals are more rewarding

but how do you set them up

if the map changes

[oak heron]

there is no set up bro 😭 you literally open the ahk file click the start button and go to sleep

[oak heron]

ahk

[heavy quail]

ahk?

[oak heron]

autohotkey

[heavy quail]

whar does it do

[oak heron]

scripting language

just think of it as a more advanced tiny task

with the abillity to use image detection

[heavy quail]

oh

thats hella op

what if u dont ahve options for namek

Tho

Like you get 3 shibuya portals

[oak heron]

itll pick shibuya

[heavy quail]

damn

so thats like a free

100k+ presents

a night

cs u also got giftboxes

[oak heron]

i literally used all 3 versions monarch no monarch and ragna and they all worked

so if they cant solo it they gotta be new to the game or something

[placid lagoon]

Whats mango 😭

[oak heron]

you cant say the original word

[placid lagoon]

ah

Mac and row?

[oak heron]

correct

[placid lagoon]

Oki ty

[heavy quail]

ima js do afk chamber

keeping it simple

[oak heron]

simplier but worse option

you also cant get ragna portlas from afk chamber

[heavy quail]

i cant even set up a normal mango with tinytask

😞

[lavish galleon]

They have to remove revitalize out of portal ngl

[oak heron]

Like i said there is no set up required when you mango with ahk

Most of the time

[placid lagoon]

I think Spider Forest is a big issue

[heavy quail]

how?

do u not gotta

place units n shi

before

[placid lagoon]

Is that like those evil mangos

[oak heron]

☠️

no

[placid lagoon]

Not literally evil I mean like the advanced ones

that do more stuff

[oak heron]

yes

[lavish galleon]

Nah holy blast revitalize thrise sbr is mid trust

[heavy quail]

uh oh

3.1k kills and 5 minutes 20 seconds left

do you guys thnik i can do it 💔

[oak heron]

the kills stack up at the end

[lavish galleon]

Nerf blast and holy

Remove reviatialize

[heavy quail]

yea i know

i NEED to get #1

this is my first tournament i participate in

So it would be ice cold if i get #1

[oak heron]

afk chamber 💔

[heavy quail]

Also for the rerolls ig

[heavy quail]

ion even got 1 ragna

[oak heron]

type shi

[heavy quail]

I might

Need to get my hands on this ahk

Ye ok its over

[torpid ermine]

it gives more currency and while yes it's technically harder to do as I said it's gonna be about 15 minutes to set up tops unless you mess it up

[heavy quail]

4.1k kills 1 minute 30 sec left

[torpid ermine]

if we assume a run takes 8 minutes, 60/8 is 7.5, times 3k a run is 22.5k presents an hour

[heavy quail]

only 4534 kills

Ye ok

needa retry

[torpid ermine]

time chamber is slightly under 8k presents an hour

with vip and premium

so even the most inefficient mm acro is going to make more than it

[heavy quail]

OK

THE #1 IM FIGHTING HAS monarch yhwach shiny monarch ichigo and monarch shiny gojo

Im finished

[torpid ermine]

your mm acro would need to take over 20 minutes to clear to make less per hour than the afk chamber

[oak heron]

wdym

how is it takign you 15 minutes to set up 😭

literally 20 seconds

[torpid ermine]

yeah I was being generous

if you're REALLY slow

[heavy quail]

does it acc only takes you twenty seconds?

[torpid ermine]

it could be like 15

[oak heron]

dude

i load into lobby

i open thefile

press start

go to sleep

[heavy quail]

where do u get the file

record it yourself?

then js save it

[torpid ermine]

so 20 seconds to set up a mm acro and then you're getting nearly triple the afk currency

how are people gonna say the afk present chamber needs to be nerfed

[torpid ermine]

no you just get it from that one server

[heavy quail]

whar server

[torpid ermine]

the mm acro one

It might be paid I don't know

im sure you can find a free one tho

[heavy quail]

damn

ive been doing this wrong

Clearly

i js go afk chamber since i hvae no other way to get presetns overnight

[oak heron]

cant disclose that information

its against tos

[heavy quail]

Oh alr

ima js stick to chamber this to complicated 😭

[quaint wolf]

yes you can

..?

[quaint wolf]

not true

yhwach has MORE dps than gogeta now

two updates in and he's already outclassed dps wise

aizen almost does the same dps as him

so does alter

two more updates and he's no longer meta

[quaint wolf]

not true

diavolo is outdated

nobody use him bc a lot of units break his cc

he's cosmic and isnt even used for his own tourney 😂

[quaint wolf]

giselle has 9 placement

use her

and her summons also buff yhwach

[placid lagoon]

Thats not what I said tho?

[quaint wolf]

autofarms arent hard to do..?

tell me you don't mango without telling me you don't

you also get 50 rerolls per day by doing it

so yeah it's worth more to just mango portals than do afk chamber

[quaint wolf]

okay, so what were you trying to say then?

why would you give diavolo 2 placement

if his ability is global

that makes 0 sense

[mighty fulcrum]

he is its js nobody uses him cus they dont have him

[placid lagoon]

Thats not what I said

Either

I said I dont think units should be 1 placement

Thats it

[quaint wolf]

???

why not

[quaint wolf]

LMAOO

[placid lagoon]

Makes Monarch necessary

[quaint wolf]

bro just shut up pls 😂

diavolo simply doesnt have enough dps to do well enough on his own

so even if almost everyone had him he still wouldn't be used regardless

[quaint wolf]

um, what/

that makes no sense

if gogeta was 2 placement

we would still monarch him..?

no reason to use him if non-monarch

[placid lagoon]

Yeah but

1 placement is worse

than 2

[quaint wolf]

that could go for the same with sjw, and archer?

[quaint wolf]

okay, and?

how?

[heavy quail]

cba grinding 100k hearts

[mighty fulcrum]

i got 4546 kills on the tournament with bad wave skip

[quaint wolf]

paragon is coming back dumbass

[quaint wolf]

u can get 4580

and that's without diavolo

[heavy quail]

whats the best strat

i got monarch yhwach

[mighty fulcrum]

i said that i had bad waveskip

[quaint wolf]

just use yhwach then

[heavy quail]

my highscore is 4572

[mighty fulcrum]

???

[heavy quail]

yea i know

im using all rares

[quaint wolf]

are you dumb?

[heavy quail]

but is there a strat

[quaint wolf]

you can also get 4580 with a bad waveskip

[quaint wolf]

i'm glad ur not a dev for av

because you don't even play this game, do you

[placid lagoon]

Why are you so toxic

For no reason

[quaint wolf]

paragon is coming back so you would still monarch your unit regardless if they were 2 placements

[quaint wolf]

i'm not toxic?
Just stating out the facts

[mighty fulcrum]

im not a meganerd, i dont time when i upg all of my units so they attack final second

[quaint wolf]

doesnt mean yall can spread misinformation

[placid lagoon]

Its not a fact

Its not misinformation

[quaint wolf]

it is

cuz ur still wrong

[placid lagoon]

Prove it

[quaint wolf]

you can't even explain why they still need two placements

[heavy quail]

yo how do i get good waveskip cs i think im doing it all wrong 😭

[quaint wolf]

why does diavolo neeed 2 placement

[quaint wolf]

spawn kill

[placid lagoon]

I didnt say that

[quaint wolf]

okay, so what are you trying to say then

[signal moon]

correction:

why is like half of this community toxic, even if you make a justifiably bad suggestion, resorting to insults just makes you look worse than the person you're insulting

[placid lagoon]

Im convinced you're not reading my messagess

[heavy quail]

ima try that next time ig

[quaint wolf]

why does diavolo need 2 placements

[placid lagoon]

I didnt say that

[quaint wolf]

why do other units like gogeta need 2 placements?

explain please

rephrase it for me then

your takes are AWFUL

[placid lagoon]

I dont like talking to egotistical people like you

Who think theyre superior

So Ill just block u

[quaint wolf]

so you're dodging my question because you know i'm in the right?

😂 go ahead block me

[placid lagoon]

And continue to spread my ideas because I like them :3

[quaint wolf]

youre not that special

this is a suggestion

which idea?

this isnt your forum

you didn't create it

shut up clown 😂

none of the devs will do whatever it is you asked them to do
Making every unit 2 placements from now on? fucking clown

[placid lagoon]

Thats not what I said LOL

Oh my god you cant read

[signal moon]

they're dodging the question because you're being a jackass about it, yall degens miss the entire point of a REAL argument (ps, the point isnt to insult the other person)

[quaint wolf]

I told them to rephrase it

not my fault

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[signal moon]

so? Doesn't mean you should resort to insults, even if they had a bad take / phrased it wrong, you responding that way only demonstrates how immature you are

[quaint wolf]

states that diavlo, and gogeta should get a two placement

doesn't state why they SHOULD
gets furious because I'm asking for an explanation
why would the devs care? this is their job
its up to the balance team and most of the community will not agree with her idea

😂

[heavy quail]

gogeta basically alr got a 2 placement

If u think about it

Since it attacks twice

[signal moon]

yeah pretty much

[quaint wolf]

yes, so you're completely find by nerfing every single unit in the game all because of one mistake?
When it comes to creating suggestions you should correct any mistakes or anything that does not feel balanced or may break the game balance-wise

if your suggestion is full of shit, why should the balance team, or the game manager see it at all or read what is it all about?

[signal moon]

"correcting someone's mistake" isn't insulting them or making them feel awful for speaking their mind

[placid lagoon]

I wasnt furious

I was just sad tbh

Cuz I felt a lot of hostility from u even tho I dont think I said anything wrong 😭

[quaint wolf]

sometimes insulting is the right move, it's what you would do if you were to discipline someone because they arent following to your orders when they're MEANT to respect every decision you should make, and fi they don't like it then the least they could do is say something about it..?

[signal moon]

imma be real, id lowkey ignore them, im hopping out of the chat because this guy isn't worth talking to, he doesn't offer a different perspective to the problem without pointless toxicity

[placid lagoon]

okay

ty

for being nice

[signal moon]

np dude, have a good day

[quaint wolf]

its a tower defense community, You should get used to the insults, especially int his current generation, av has one of the most toxic communities with its beef against AA right now, this server isn't for you if you cannot handle criticism.s..
you think this is how it'll work in the real world? not everyone will be so nice to you, take this as a advice

[torpid ermine]

Not on his own

[torpid ermine]

Saying that the community is toxic doesn't give you an excuse to be toxic

This is a silly Roblox game you don't need to contribute to toxicity

[quaint wolf]

ngl I forget how was I insulting her
I did say a lot of criticism but nothing about her/him..
it was directed to her idea which is stupid honestly but not to him

I don't think I ever called her out for being "stupid" or dumb or something like that no just her idea.

[torpid ermine]

.

[torpid ermine]

.

[torpid ermine]

.

[quaint wolf]

you were right, I did

[torpid ermine]

.

It's just not that deep

Yknow

[drifting furnace]

Sybau

❄️

[oak heron]

ik bro think he cold

[drifting furnace]

Snowflake

[oak heron]

cause not being toxic = snowflake

☠️

I KNOW you get bullied irl

gotta hop on discord to act tuff or sum 😭

[drifting furnace]

Complaining about discord = snowflake

[oak heron]

now you just babbling

rage bait used to be believeable 💔

[drifting furnace]

Glad to see yk I'm right so u have no argument

[oak heron]

right about what

[drifting furnace]

Chicken butt

🤣🤣🤣

[oak heron]

thats what i thought

[drifting furnace]

No way this snowflake fell for the chicken butt trick 😭🤣🙏

[oak sentinel]

bump

[oak heron]

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[ivory forge]

b

[oak sentinel]

bump