the fuck
#Ethereal Buff?? OR Unit Passives Redesign
dapper cape
this whole post is pure copium
He’s not wrong tho
dapper cape
its tough luck
Why should a trait be so over shadowed by another, just because it’s more rare?
unreal haven
Why should a trait be so over shadowed by another, just because it’s more rare?
yes
thats exactly why
thats the entire point
gleaming summit
can we ban him from ever posting a suggestion
agile quest
the fuck
lilac beacon
just remove the entire trait fr Ive rolled of it so much times its either monarch or go home
dapper cape
thats exactly why
😔
dapper cape
just remove the entire trait fr Ive rolled of it so much times its either monarc...
That’s the whole point of the suggestion no?
lilac beacon
That’s the whole point of the suggestion no?
???
The suggestion is asking for a buff to the trait
cunning sleet
"buff etheral dmg to 80%"
lilac beacon
It’s like getting golden in a a
cunning sleet
did we lost our minds
dapper cape
???
The notion of either “monarch or go home”
We are asking to bridge the gap between etheral and monarch so that if you do get etheral it could compare to monarch
unreal haven
you think im happy about this?
dapper cape
yeah js make ethereal do 2x monarch's dps
Yeah I don’t agree with numbers the poster provided but etheral should be buffed in some way
unreal haven
im not bitching though
i know gogeta is monrach or go home
i still rolled off
thats the point
dapper cape
And other units?
lilac beacon
i know gogeta is monrach or go home
Same with aizen diavolo Yama and the entire top dps
lilac wedge
The notion of either “monarch or go home”
We are asking to bridge the gap betwee...
basically this
unreal haven
Same with aizen diavolo Yama and the entire top dps
yeah
lilac wedge
gap how much better monarch is compared to ethereal
cus ethereal and deadeye is basically trash compared to monarch
if thats the case why do they even exist?
literally just roadblocks to getting monarch
lilac wedge
Same with aizen diavolo Yama and the entire top dps
yep
yamamoto if you dont get him monarch is not really that good same with aizen
lilac wedge
either they rework how they make their units to not just think about monarch or buff other traits
dapper cape
Same with aizen diavolo Yama and the entire top dps
Why does every top meta dps have to be monarch shill
Using etheral on these units and (90% of the units) suck
Not asking for it to be better then monarch, just a buff to make it more viable to run
lilac wedge
Why does every top meta dps have to be monarch shill
Using etheral on these unit...
EXACTLY
I mean monarch would still be the top trait
even if they buff ethereal
because of cost efficiency
it would just make ethereal better to run
dapper cape
😮💨
lilac wedge
so its not like buffing ethereal will make monarch useles 💀
lilac wedge
😮💨
this isn't gonna happen though im just bringing it out there cus lets be real the other traits are absolute trash
for 90% of the units
dapper cape
this isn't gonna happen though im just bringing it out there cus lets be real th...
It’s not even that the mythic traits are bad, it’s just that monarch is just so overwhelmingly more useful and most dps units are designed to work better with monarch then eth
(Gogeta, Aizen, Yamamoto, Gojo, Gilgamesh etc)
I thought we were stepping away from designing every unit to synergize better with monarch with ragna
lilac wedge
also the only reason why this is even needed is because of how they designed most of their units
lilac wedge
It’s not even that the mythic traits are bad, it’s just that monarch is just so ...
EXACTLY 😭
make aizen local cooldown and hed be amazing without monarch
make yamamoto summons based on the killed enemies hp
and he would also be amazing without monarch
same with gilgamesh make him local cd
dapper cape
Av when they make another top meta dps unit work perfectly with monarch🤑
lilac wedge
it is what it is I guess but I do have some hopes they might listen on stage
lilac wedge
because they have been pretty nice
lilac wedge
80% dmg is
yeah but then you realize aizen is 350k to max
so with ethereal you aint bringing him anywhere outside of infinite
💀
would have been fine if he was cheap honestly
but he aint
oh your talking about ethereal
not aizen
tropic laurel
oh your talking about ethereal
yh
not sure how i feel about this yet
i must take some thime to think
lilac wedge
Ethereal Buff?? OR Unit Passives Redesign
gleaming summit
how many placement is aizen again?
white maple
This, making the other 3 mythic traits able to reach meta on units more frequently would diversify teams a lot, but for that solar needs a unique feature which ethereal wouldnt be able to copy, like deadeye does.
tight finch
fiery citrus
This might just be the worst suggestion I've seen so far
prime grove
Give deadeye a buff man 
people choose solar over deadeye
jagged rain
deadeye was only useful for cha hae in on release i swear
prime grove
deadeye was only useful for cha hae in on release i swear
Yup after that its dead
prime grove
archer,emilia,aizen
Archer is used with monarch cause of ability
Emilia not used anywhere
pine slate
I said over ethereal
prime grove
Aizen ig yeah
pine slate
Not monarch
prime grove
she actually does good dps
Not enough to use in lb
She was good before
But she got nerferd
pine slate
it is enough but bcuz of esdeath,shes not useful anymore
but ye u get the point
deadeye over ethereal units do exist
paper escarp
50%-80% is a little too mucj
pine slate
oh yea even yamamoto is better with deadeye than ethereal
Even the unit from love portal
prime grove
oh yea even yamamoto is better with deadeye than ethereal
Tf?
U know how it scales?
Deadeye is worst possible
Even vigor better
prime grove
Oh the crit does not apply on his summons?
Why would it ??
It damage base on hp
They not attacking
pine slate
Bcuz they r his summons and therefore can crit?
prime grove
Bcuz they r his summons and therefore can crit?
No
prime grove
Idrk man u got proof?
Use brain
pine slate
Yea but what if the game considers the summons a part of his attack?
pine slate
Yea and burn can crit?
agile quest
Is dead eye Yamamoto just ass
paper escarp
It can?
agile quest
I have it and idk
prime grove
And even with deadeye i wpuld prefer more hp then crit
pine slate
And even with deadeye i wpuld prefer more hp then crit
crit is more dmg
and im pretty sure alucard's summons crit
bcuz i had deadeye on him and it worked
prime grove
crit is more dmg
😭😭 see the passives there hp base on his damage not in critcal
pine slate
I have it and idk
go to sandbox have ur dmg indicators on
agile quest
ok
pine slate
check if u see the crit dmg indicator when summons hit the enemies
pine slate
ima js test this summons thing myself with turbo granny
pine slate
I have great news
?
agile quest
pine slate
Where is the guy who told me to use brain
pine slate
Ye but monarch yama is goated cuz easier to get kill
pine slate
Thas what i said
tame depot
Gilgamesh:
Monarch:
DPS: 16,873.44
Team DPS: 16,873.44
Damage in Range: 553186
Cost to Dmg: 0.14
Ethereal:
DPS: 6,805.62
Team DPS: 20,416.86
Damage in Range: 670816
Cost to Dmg: 0.06
Reworked Ethereal: 50% Dmg
DPS: 6,735.77
Team DPS: 20207.31
Damage in Range: 602204
Cost to Dmg: 0.05
Reworked Ethereal: 80%
DPS: 8,082.92
Team DPS: 24,248.77
Damage in Range: 722645
Cost to Dmg: 0.06
Did some math here, just going to point out base ethereal is already better than monarch. It comes down to how cost effective monarch is. You can see all you do with your proposed rework is make the main difference already worse. So if your change happened monarch would become even more valued as resources would become that much more strained.
While I'm at it lemme point out some other things below.
Aizen Local cooldown = 45 seconds of stoppage.
Gilgamesh with local cooldown = Saber who has been best unit for 4 updates now.
Yamamoto with HP% scaling = breaks infinites as he will always be summoning enemies based on their HP with zero fall off and infinite scaling.
pine slate
better than ethereal