AV Paywall we need to talk.

[tired pine]

stealing this image

[ancient crow]

boutta sue you

[steel briar]

how the hell is this not f2p friendly

its litterly cosmetic

[ancient crow]

still

why should cosmetics be locked behind a paywall

[tired pine]

💀

what typa logic is that

[ancient crow]

they couldve been added to the valentines update

[tired pine]

is cosmetics not part of gameplay

[ancient crow]

so we get more rewards out of valentines

[steel briar]

skins don't give any competitive advantage in lbs

[tired pine]

thats not the point

[steel briar]

ok i redact it being not f2p friendly

but

its cosmetic

you can live without it

[tired pine]

its more visual satisfaction like a shiny or it being more collector oriented

[steel briar]

also not all skins are behind a paywall

winter banner, and occult banner gave skins

[ancient crow]

well true

but the more wanted skins

are behind a paywall

[steel briar]

just because they locked a few skins behind a paywall does not make them scummy or anti f2p friendly

[ancient crow]

scummy is a stretch

[steel briar]

theres like only 2 good ones

[ancient crow]

but they definetly couldve added these 2 skins to the valentine event

rather than it being behind a 10k robux paywall

[stray veldt]

ok but its space ishtar

peak skin

💔

[steel briar]

they could have added skins to valentine event sure, but another skin is just gonna be paywalled in its place

there gonna paywall a skin no matter what

[steel briar]

that is true

i already bought the av bike

so im pretty hesitant on buying the ishtar skin

[ancient crow]

why paywall skins

[steel briar]

cause the devs have to make profit???

[ancient crow]

most of the time skins are wanted just as much as the unit

ishtar skin gonna be worth an arm and a leg when trading comes

[stray veldt]

im def gonna try trading for space ishtar ig when trading drops ig

[steel briar]

that can be true, but if they have the oppurtunity to make some money then they honestly should

they already give an abundance of rerolls

and "free" skins

so i don't see how them pay walling 2-3 skins every update is a problem

most games don't even give free skins/cosmetics

and if they do its ass/ a low budget skin

[proven basin]

some stuff which is only cosmetic doesnt need to be for f2p players

[molten dust]

Because they need money

And its just a cosmetic

Your gonna be able to trade for them in the future so you don't even need to buy them

[ancient crow]

so defeats the purpoe of f2p

[proven basin]

nah

f2p means u can get on lbs and stuff without paying

it doesnt rlly mean u get all the fun stuff for free

[ancient crow]

so because i cant pay i cant have fun

[proven basin]

wym?

u dont have fun when playing this game?

[steel briar]

how does you paying for a cosmetic make you have more fun

that makes zero sense

[ancient crow]

i do

u said

f2p dosent mean

i can get the funstuff

[proven basin]

"all" the fun stuff

its a cosmetic

not that deep

[molten dust]

Its a cosmetic

💔

[wary gull]

yeah, if ur broke u cant have fun

its just a skin bro, u will live 😭

its not like that skin grants u 2x more damage when u use it 😭

[ancient crow]

i mean still

why not add it to the valentine update

why just add 1 singular unit

[steel briar]

why not just make new valentine skins atp

so it would fit the event

[wary gull]

cus 99.99% of av players are single

[steel briar]

not just take the already paid skins and add them to the event

[steel briar]

😮‍💨

[wary gull]

wanna be part of that 0.01% with me

[steel briar]

[ancient crow]

well ishtar skin is legit the person u talk to for the valentine event so like

[steel briar]

stop tryna make excuses to get the ishtar skin for free cuh

either get a job to pay for it

or trade for it later

[wary gull]

r u gonna hug that?

she telling u to get a job 😭

personally, i wouldnt let that slide but thats just me tho

[proven basin]

idk why ppl crying over everything this update

units mid, bad passives, skins are not f2p

[wary gull]

im still tryna figure out if the mid units are in the room with us

[ancient crow]

bro what

you do realize that this ishtaar skin couldve been for both?

like people dont wanna grind

and could buy it

and for those who wanna grind

they couldve made it where they can girn dfor it if wanted

[steel briar]

or just make people pay for it

would be less profitble if givin for free

[ancient crow]

yea like anyone gonna grind 1 million hcocolates

[steel briar]

then why even implment it

[ancient crow]

because u said it should be valuable

if they want people to pay for it

then make it hard to grind for

but

it CAN be obtainable

[steel briar]

poor excuse to try and get paid skins for free

just except the fact that paid skins are normal and does not ruin f2p experinces

if you really wanted it prepare to trade for it

ot pay up

its a cosmetic for christ sake

[molten dust]

If you really want the skin just stop being greedy and pay for it

Or wait for trading

Its a COSMETIC

FOR ISHTAR

WHO USES ISHTAR???

[steel briar]

exaclty

[patent atlas]

I get his point though he mainly was saying the valentines event should have more, ie the skins

[steel briar]

that is not his point

[ancient crow]

part of the point

but

sure

[patent atlas]

oop

[junior osprey]

so how are the devs supposed to make money

[ancient crow]

how am i being greedy

[molten dust]

Stop complaining and pay for it

[steel briar]

wanting a paid skin for free

[ancient crow]

by making us grind for the skin? you do realize they get money by us just playing

if we grind like

[wary gull]

by me becoming a millionaire by hitting my parlay and donating to them

[steel briar]

thats only premium players

[wary gull]

if u have premium

like me

not tryna flex

[ancient crow]

i do

[ancient crow]

still

for every server of full i find at least 5-7 premium players

[steel briar]

its not garunteed

[ancient crow]

if one of those premium players got the skin

[steel briar]

when getting players to pay for it is 100%

[ancient crow]

itll be the same as them paying for it

[molten dust]

Stop being greedy and buy the bundle

[steel briar]

that is not a relible way unlike getting players to straight up pay for it

[ancient crow]

sorry im not as high and almighty as you for wanting to pay for a skin

[steel briar]

then to bad

[molten dust]

Then wait for trading

And trade for it

[weary glen]

The game is pretty high quality and if we want them to pump out bigger updates like this more consistently then they want to make more money, its the whole reason they make games because they want money.

Skins don't provide any competetive advantage and are basically a way for players to spend money to support the devs in an otherwise relatively f2p friendly game.

[ancient crow]

lmao ur actually dumb as hell

[molten dust]

?

[steel briar]

thats crazy

[ancient crow]

ur telling me

people are gonna trade vanguard skins

for units

and not rerolls?

[steel briar]

your the one making a blasphemes suggestion

[wary gull]

damn he insulted u for no reason 😭

[shy breach]

tbh they prol barely gonna be worth anything

like when have skins ever been valuable

in atd games

[ancient crow]

just cuz i dont wanna spend money on a virtual item doesnt make me greedy lmao

[steel briar]

your trying to make it free

you buggin cuh

[weary glen]

but it does

[ancient crow]

im tryna make it grindable

[steel briar]

and is that free?

[weary glen]

which takes away from the devs pockets

[ancient crow]

alr u guys dont grind for trait rerolls buy them cuz that means ur greedy!

why grind for them when u can just buy them!

[steel briar]

trait rerolls actually effect gamplay...

are u dumb

[molten dust]

Trait rerolls and a cosmetic arent the same thing

[steel briar]

weak rebuttal

[molten dust]

😭

[wary gull]

DAMN

[patent atlas]

I think they should have saved the valentines update for later on and made it something a little larger instead of shoving it into this update, it personally feels a little incomplete (the valentines portals, not the actual update)

[wary gull]

@ancient crow answer back 😭

[weary glen]

@ancient crow answer back 😭

[molten dust]

Valentines update a month after Valentine?

Uh nah

[ancient crow]

i mean then make the game not f2p at all

[steel briar]

meh, valentine is a smaller holiday and already alot of time has passed since valentine

[molten dust]

Its good as it is

[ancient crow]

you never had any problem when the game said it was gonna be f2p

[patent atlas]

how long did you think I meant? I just meant maybe a week later thats all

[ancient crow]

why is it a problem now

[steel briar]

yeah exactly, av is p2w

no one is denying that

[wary gull]

nah, 99% of vanguard players dont even celebrate it

[ancient crow]

nah

[steel briar]

i don't get ur point

[ancient crow]

this guy bro

[patent atlas]

real

[ancient crow]

im saying

[molten dust]

Only end game content

Like lbs

[ancient crow]

if u guys think of it being greedy

me wanting something to be grindable

[molten dust]

You dont really need a team full of monarchs for most modes

[ancient crow]

and not locked behind a paywall

[steel briar]

trait rerolls are grindable?

what are we talking about

[ancient crow]

why have u never said anything for when AV made rerolls grindable

and not like AA

where most of the stuff

is p2w

[molten dust]

Its a cosmetic 💔

And youll be able to trade for it

[ancient crow]

PEOPLE ASK FOR REROLLS U DUMBAS

[vale gyro]

Gng its literally cosmetic

[ancient crow]

ITS GONNA BE THE SAME THING

[steel briar]

because traits effect gamplay???

[vale gyro]

Js trade for it gng

[ancient crow]

still

makes u greedy

u wnat something for free

[molten dust]

crazy coping

get a job

if u want some cooler pixels

[vale gyro]

Fr

[ancient crow]

get ur 9-5 job? yea no thanks im in doctor college

[molten dust]

its not p2w for a slightly different skin

[molten dust]

okay then stop complaining

focus on school instead of crying

[vale gyro]

Get some part time job

[steel briar]

no it should objectivly be free cause traits effect gameplay, while cosmetics don't are you fucking mental

[vale gyro]

It aint that serious gng

[steel briar]

how is that hard to grasp

[weary glen]

when people complain about things like this its when they provide an advantage. If you could buy units that you couldn't grind for, that would be not f2p friendly.

A skin doesn't give u an advantage, you don't need it, but if you like it enough you can support the devs by buying a cosmetic to support their FREE TO PLAY game that they aren't making money from by people just playing it

[proven basin]

this is ragebait bro

[ancient crow]

why should something be free and the other not just cuz it dosent affect gameplay

[steel briar]

how is it greedy to want rerolls when it effects gameplaty

[proven basin]

do not indulge in any conversation with this posts op

[molten dust]

this literally the most f2p game on the td market rn

[molten dust]

and ur complaining about skins

so cooked

[woven rover]

fr, skins dont do anything in your game, just visual

[molten dust]

@patent atlas ur not getting ur free slightly bluer ishtar

[ancient crow]

sure

[weary glen]

hilarious thing is he asks for it to be grindable but probably wouldnt even play he'd just mango overnight for it

[molten dust]

anyt ime soon

[patent atlas]

jokes on you I did not evolve mine

[steel briar]

you can not be mentally ok 😭
it should be free cause the traits can effect how someone plays the game and is a core gameplay mechanic, so by pay walling trait rerolls some people won't even be able to access a certain core gamplay mechanic. while cosmetics do not effect gamplay in any way, it does not make you better at the game, it doesint make you worse, its just cosmetic and is honestly the best way of monetization

[steel briar]

i don't want top be rude but its really frustrating how you can;t grasp such a basic concept

[molten dust]

only thing that is embarrasing is the fact

the sprint wagon skin doesnt even work

so

[ancient crow]

then why not do both

[patent atlas]

w

[molten dust]

because game needs money

[ancient crow]

why not make it grindable AND have it be bought

for those who wanna buy it

buy it

for those who wanna mindlessly grind

they can grind

[molten dust]

grind a job please

[junior osprey]

Thats not true

Only if they have premium

[steel briar]

skins are already grindable, more profit on skins that need to be payed

[molten dust]

grind a job

free rrs

and skins

and no more bitching

[ancient crow]

u telling me u work and u come back and waste ur money on AV? ur cooked gang 💔

[molten dust]

you wanna mindlessly grind a roblox td game and ur calling me cooked

[ancient crow]

huh

what skins?

[molten dust]

0/10 ragebait

how have u not failed med school

[steel briar]

winter unit skins?
occult hunt skins?

[patent atlas]

why there beef now

[ancient crow]

one of us is in med school and the other is telling people to get a job
i suggest u start doing better in life gang

[steel briar]

beef?

[steel briar]

no fucking shot ur in med school

[ancient crow]

3.31 gpa first semester too lmao

[steel briar]

😮‍💨

[ancient crow]

if i could get a job i would

but

[molten dust]

one of us is complaining about devs needing money and the other is saying its embarrasing your logic is

[steel briar]

then genuinly

[molten dust]

you can get a job

[steel briar]

how do you not understand

[ancient crow]

im 17 lmao

[molten dust]

u can get a job at 15 in the us

[steel briar]

you can get a job as early as 15

[molten dust]

idk what u talking about

u dont have to be 18

[ancient crow]

yk this is EXACTLY what i expected u to say

[molten dust]

because its true

u can get a job

before 18

[ancient crow]

americans think USA is the only country to exist

[steel briar]

this applies to countries outside the us too

[ancient crow]

no it dosent

lmao

[molten dust]

u can literally go mow someones lawn for like 10 dollars

[steel briar]

you can find a job if you look hard enough

[molten dust]

its not hard

[steel briar]

stop making excuses

[ancient crow]

BRO WHAT MAKES U THINK EVERYONE IN THE WORLD LIVES LIKE AMERICANS

[molten dust]

ur just being lazy because u cant find the answer in a textbook

[ancient crow]

OH MY GOD

WE DONT HAVE LAWNS WHERE I LIVVE

MINIMUM AGE TO WORK IS 18

WHERE I LIVE

[steel briar]

where do you live

[molten dust]

you can literally do others things

[steel briar]

country

[ancient crow]

egypt

[molten dust]

like learning to code and work on games

online marketing

its not ahrd

[ancient crow]

we can work at 15

but

[ancient crow]

its not the work u expect

[molten dust]

ONE GOOGLE SEARCH

[ancient crow]

alr bet wait

[steel briar]

am i buggin?

[molten dust]

nope

[steel briar]

ok then you can work

[molten dust]

i would really trust the official ILO

instead of some dumbass

[quick pollen]

Coding and not hard in the same sentence 😭✌

[molten dust]

i didnt even say hard

[ancient crow]

bro

[molten dust]

im saying you can learn do stuff

[ancient crow]

are we

okay here

im in MED SCHOOL

MED SCHOOL

do you understand what that means

[molten dust]

okay mr someone wants to grind av

u said it urself

[ancient crow]

im already LEARNING

[molten dust]

u want a endless grind

[ancient crow]

i mango

[steel briar]

you obviously have time to yap on discord

[molten dust]

thats a clip

[steel briar]

anyways this is pointless

[ancient crow]

i finished studying

wym

lmao

i have free time

[quick pollen]

You said it's easy tho

[ancient crow]

dosent mean i gotta learn something extra

[steel briar]

still doesint change the fact you can work

[patent atlas]

Why is the worlds most pointless conversation happening here 😭

[molten dust]

i said its not hard to find a job

i said no where that coding is easy

[steel briar]

that is debatable

[molten dust]

people will always need work

[steel briar]

does not always mean you will meet the requirments for that work

[molten dust]

and he just doesnt wanna do anything

[molten dust]

he literally said he doesnt wanna work

or something like that

[ancient crow]

@steel briar i want u to learn all the basics of anatomy biochemistry, cellbiology,histology,physiology, Physical managment development, ECX, in 4 months

[quick pollen]

Your right you said it's not ahrd

[patent atlas]

he in med school what you want him too do 😭

[molten dust]

see

[steel briar]

why would i

[ancient crow]

prove ur point

[molten dust]

he said he wants to endlessly grind av

[ancient crow]

ur telling me

[molten dust]

not my words

[ancient crow]

its not hard to find naother job

and that im lazy

[molten dust]

yes

i am

u said it urself

u dont wanna do the work that pays

[ancient crow]

study 1.3k pages of medical stuff

in 4 months

then come talk to me

[steel briar]

alr bet

[ancient crow]

and solve over 400 pages of stuff

[molten dust]

people will do ANYTHING to not get a job

[ancient crow]

dude

[molten dust]

clearly it cant be too hard if ur yapping for half a hour

[patent atlas]

certified rage baiter

[molten dust]

sorry my bad

2 hours

[ancient crow]

i mean

youve been here too

[molten dust]

for about 10 minutes

yeah

[ancient crow]

what do u work as

[steel briar]

you can still be doing all the stuff you said and work part time or do small jobs

[ancient crow]

enlighten me pls

[ancient crow]

lmao

sure bro

u dont know how hard it is

[molten dust]

3d modeler for a roblox games

[molten dust]

i really dont

enlighten me pls

[ancient crow]

alr

[steel briar]

mabye i don't, but there are always ways to make money even if you don';t have alot of time, and making a skin free and grindable won't be profitible for the devs its as simple as that

[ancient crow]

have u even graduated school

or

[molten dust]

its all just a excuse to mango it

[ancient crow]

cuz i know most americans dont graduate

[molten dust]

no im in highschool

im a junior

and ur still dodging

how hard it is to get a job

[steel briar]

just squash the beef

its a waste of time for all parties

[molten dust]

beef

like miso beef

[steel briar]

a genuinly pointless argument/debate

ive said what ive wanted to say, and he said what he believes although i don;t personally agree with him

[patent atlas]

[ancient crow]

whos dodging lmao

ur a roblox modeler

who have u modeled for

[molten dust]

Stop arguing

It aint that deep

This is pointless

Completely unrelated to the suggestion itself

im not falling for the rage bait

but mostly creature games

and some horror games

[ancient crow]

never seen u on any dev team

what games

state names

prove ur point

[molten dust]

You have been dodging my questions harder then u have been dodging a job

i have no obligation to give you any of my personal employment

and im not falling for the ragebait

end of story

[ancient crow]

just say u dont model gang

its fine

[molten dust]

I do

[ancient crow]

not everyone can do good in life

[ancient crow]

then prove it

[ancient crow]

lmso

[molten dust]

you can leave it up to urself if you believe it or not

[ancient crow]

theres a reason why one of us is on his way to get a real job and one is at his parents house

[molten dust]

Ironic

im 16

i cant move out

[ancient crow]

LMAO

16 YR ILD

TALKING BOUT

GET A JOB

LMAO

yea bro ur cooked

[molten dust]

yeah because im 16 and have one

thats the difference

[ancient crow]

did y finish school

[molten dust]

im not pushing 30 talking about med school

[ancient crow]

or did u drop out

[molten dust]

no im a junior

[ancient crow]

im 17 😂

[molten dust]

i concurrently am enrolled

[ancient crow]

junior?

[molten dust]

yes

[ancient crow]

american system right

not british

do u even know the difference

or

[molten dust]

15 freshman 16 sophmore 17 junior 18 senior

[ancient crow]

the teaching system dawg

like exams and stuff

[molten dust]

what about it

[steel briar]

Ladies take this up in private dms

[molten dust]

im just playing the good old love portals

[ancient crow]

nvm

im guessing ur not going to college

[molten dust]

i am

[quick fog]

Damn what u guys fighting for

[molten dust]

idk

[steel briar]

Just ego talking atp

Just squash the beef

I apologize for the rude comments I made earlier to hakari dude

[wary gull]

damn W mans

bro understood his faults and apologized

[steel briar]

😮‍💨

Just got frustrated earlier

[molten dust]

i want monarch gogeta

[ancient crow]

he saying its easy to get kob

job

even tho im in med school

lmao

[quick fog]