Make the 50% damage buff's first passive permanent and leave decent hitboxes for Saber Alter's first

[dire slate]

she has less DPS than Saber Mythic evo in the last upgrade not counting Excalibur 25 % of Saber King of Heroes and not counting the 50% damage plus Aura of Corruption from Saber Black Tryant, it has less DPS than the mythical Saber, Saber mythical gives much more DPS with its active skill Excalibur, Saber Alter has less DPS than Gilgamesh?, They hyped the character to make her Mid and weak, she depends on another unit to use her second evolved passive, and she is not Meta support that everyone believed the leaks of the names of the units and Saber Alter's first passive, which was written that "All units that are within Saber Alter's corrupted Aura lose 15% spa", Lose spa it would be -15% spa but it increases the spa of all your units except Sakura by 15% and less if it is another Corrupted unit, because they launch units that were supposed to be Meta and leave Mid and weak?

The first passive of 50% damage is also very weak because it is not permanent, it depends on enemies within the range for it to stay at 50%, before it was permanent, has it changed?

They released a stronger version of Saber to have less DPS than the mythical Saber even though it is a Secret and less DPS than Gilgamesh:

[tidal rock]

She’s neither mid nor weak, and I won’t bother explaining why in-depth bc I cba.

Only valid complaint is that she stops CC, but that’s being fixed

Just play salter with Sakura and enjoy constant dps. End of discussion.

[neon sentinel]

Yeah it was changed

When she was reworked/tweaked slightly

That ability now procs to 50% only when there are 10 units/enemies in her debuff range

It fluctuates now

Not a huge issue ig bc you only need 10 enemies

[zinc locust]

No.

[dire slate]

Using two units for DPS makes one work even better, either like, Be like:

[dire slate]

Yes

[zinc locust]

and you want powercreep her?

[dire slate]

I compared in the Sandbox and outside, Saber Alter without the 50% damage buff from her first passive vs Saber King of Knights without the 25% buff from Excalibur, Saber King of Knights has more DPS than Saber Alter in attack damage without tell Dark Excalibur

[zinc locust]

um, I don't get it? you're suggesting a buff because her old version has more dps than the new one?

that's a stupid logic

[dire slate]

@zinc locust Did the devs want to give her power? It's a stronger version of the mythical Saber because Alter Saber is secret and it's like this, do you understand that a mythical Saber is better than a Secret Saber from the boss rush?

I'm saying that Saber Alter is +- weak and Mythic is better, I'm suggesting that the Developers should have made her stronger, right?

[zinc locust]

lets say you have a point but that's not enough to change the dev's mind..?
you're suggesting a buff because you seem to be jealous that her current evo is weaker than her old version when you can buff her using her servant

[glacial trout]

I’m confused on the part where normal Saber has more DPS, they function completely differently

not to mention 35% burn

stacks with rengoku and all that as well

and full aoe on Alter

they have completely different uses

[zinc locust]

by his logic dps is everything...

when it is not..

[glacial trout]

Alter with Sakura and enemies in corruption range literally out dps normal saber anyways i’m pretty sure

not to mention this guy tested in sandbox

[dire slate]

and if you count, a mythical Saber dealing 100k damage in the 3 hits of its Excalibur against an Alter Saber dealing 30k damage to a boss with no enemies nearby to buff its damage in the first passive that was nerfed, and after five attacks it uses Dark Excalibur that only deals 100% damage plus +35% of its damage in a burn that lasts 6 seconds and Dark Excalibur's DPS when Saber Alter n is with none or only 5% of the buff from the first passive is 60k or 70k + burn of 35% of that damage for 6 seconds

[glacial trout]

which is massively bugged regarding buffers and passives and stuff

[glacial trout]

where did you get 30k-

[zinc locust]

alter's dps is 40K

WTF..?

[glacial trout]

Alter does 20k on placement with ethereal

[dire slate]

It's nothing like that bro

[zinc locust]

TF IS UR MATH

[dire slate]

Namoral

[glacial trout]

??

HELLO?

This is without Sakura

are you dumb?

Where did you get any of your math from at all

That’s also not even with her first passive properly working

[dire slate]

I'm right because that's the logic, they made another version of Saber for players to farm and get her, ok? If it's a new version of a Mythic unit that is already meta and is the best Mythic in the game, you could know that This Secret Knowledge would be very op but she is Mid

[glacial trout]

💀

Gogeta level DPS is mid now crazy

[zinc locust]

ur not right tho

[glacial trout]

bro people can’t do math anymore

first buff dio TS now buff Alter dps

jesus

[dire slate]

Secret unit depending on another secret unit for both passives to work better, Igris and Sung have the same logic, it takes up 2 spaces in its slot and both do not have full aoe, and the Dark Excalibur Explosion could be a hitbox that hits the entire range of the Saber Black Tryant but also no, it only hits inside the hitbox of Saber's attack

[glacial trout]

the only thing wrong with alter is her slow

and debuffing

[dire slate]

Saber Alter has full aoe but she loses dps when she starts attacking with Starfall

[civic locust]

Alter is op why change tf?

[glacial trout]

Alters full aoe does 253K dmg max regardless every 6 spa, why are you complaining

[dire slate]

40k without passives what?

[civic locust]

Thats like her nuke ability every 5 attck

[dire slate]

DPS?

[glacial trout]

yes

[dire slate]

40K?

[dire slate]

is the DPS

[glacial trout]

52K dps

[dire slate]

or damage number

?

[civic locust]

With monarch

[glacial trout]

without sakura

[dire slate]

is only Monarch bro lol

[glacial trout]

bro?

she’s a monarch only unit

[zinc locust]

you can buff salter two times with sakora btw

[glacial trout]

she gets massive buffs for using monarch

[zinc locust]

why do you care?

she's not good without monarch

[glacial trout]

yes and you can buff her with rengoku

[civic locust]

I compared my ethereal saber and alter saber solar lvl 52 both have same dps but alter got more dps bc of every 5atk nuke

Only downside on her is debuff

But i think they remove it?

[dire slate]

I'm not sure they made a random unit to be mid and it's strong using another unit?

[dire slate]

What do you mean, the only Monarch?

[glacial trout]

she’s similar to gogeta bro

she gets the most buffs via monarch

[civic locust]

How is alter mid explain?

[glacial trout]

he’s dumb that’s my explanation

calling 500K dmg attacks with Sakura mid

[dire slate]

Because this is literally pay to win using her with Monarch of course she will be really strong, without and comparing with the strongest units in the current game is different

[glacial trout]

Gogeta:

[dire slate]

I don't know if I care or if I'm outraged by this error from the Devs

[civic locust]

P2w wTF we get like 100rr+ for free a week

[glacial trout]

he’s actually just complaining over nothing atp

[civic locust]

Ye lool

[glacial trout]

we got 400+ rerolls last week

FOR FREE MIND YOU.

[civic locust]

Ye and i didn't get monarch on allat and didn't compalin bc thats alot

[glacial trout]

Not to mention Alter is still good with ethereal

[dire slate]

Relying on passive to be stronger:

[glacial trout]

minus her bugs

[dire slate]

I understood

[glacial trout]

wrong

[civic locust]

That's what all units rely on?

[dire slate]

Yes?

[glacial trout]

this unit relies on what it does!

The one and only issue that takes the #2 spot from Saber is that her first passive is absolutely awful

[dire slate]

I meant that he said it works better as a Monarch, it depends on the rarest passive in the game to be much stronger, why is it Mid without it?

[glacial trout]

because it ruins CC AND MULTI debuffs and that’s being fixed

[tidal rock]

Tf!? That’s what all units in this game do???? It’s called a kit???

[dire slate]

If so, they will do a rework anyway

Mabye

[zinc locust]

pay to win?

[dire slate]

I know

[glacial trout]

fyi gogeta is garbage without monarch, SJW is garbage without monarch, Gilgamesh is garbage without monarch, like what is your point 😭

[zinc locust]

you can get 1.5k rerolls f2p

😂

[glacial trout]

“this unit needs monarch to be its best so therefore p2w and mid!”

acting like there’s not any other 3 placement units that rely on monarch

[dire slate]

"Pay to win" have Monarch in this unit so she can be really strong, because she has less DPS than mythic Saber?

[glacial trout]

monarch is best trait in game for all progression based modes in 99% of all situations on AV 😭

except maybe supports

even then it’s still advisable due to cost reduction

[dire slate]

What do you consider trash? that even if you have the unit, it is useless to use it if you don't have a Monarch to do what?

[glacial trout]

first of alll gogeta #1 trash unit in game without monarch

CC and way too expensive

you can’t even max him in story

way better choices

[dire slate]

Needing the strongest passive in Saber Alter to use it, and being viable while it is Mid compared to Gilgamesh?

[glacial trout]

Gilgamesh needs monarch as well to not be “mid” by your logic yes

Not to mention your only logic of Saber being better than Alter traitless is relying off ability

you also fail to account for burn dmg

you don’t even mention the status immunity either.

[zinc locust]

a lot of units are only meta with monarch

[glacial trout]

She can’t be snared or anything while Saber can.

[zinc locust]

does that make them p2w?

[glacial trout]

99% sure almost all 3 placement units in this game are better with monarch and only meta with monarch

[dire slate]

"Mid" I was just referring to Saber Alter's DPS compared to Saber King of Knights, it has nothing to do with Gilgamesh because Saber Mitica only has 10k less damage compared to Gilgamesh who has a bad AoE cone

[glacial trout]

rem beats a ton of them traitless without monarch

[glacial trout]

Saber Alters dps is literally higher than normal saber though if you use all buffs

even traitless i’m pretty sure

[dire slate]

The DPS on a boss that wouldn't stun you or give you a debuff I didn't mention but it does have it, but it doesn't increase or decrease the DPS if both are attacking without being interrupted

Btw

[dire slate]

Ok

[glacial trout]

Saber gets -50% dmg ailment

Alter doesn’t

Alter will consistently do far more dps than Saber 😭

not to mention you can use both of them together

so why are you even complaining

[dire slate]

All buffs

[glacial trout]

No 💀

You can bring Saber, Alter, Suroko, Esdeath and farms

and it would do just fine

You act like Alter doesn’t get 300k without buffs

[dire slate]

is 75% reduce debuffs Myhtic Saber

[glacial trout]

no

[dire slate]

With the element Holy is 85%

Reduce debuffs

[glacial trout]

it’s 85% time reduction

not reduced status effects

[dire slate]

Ah

[glacial trout]

this doesn’t apply to snare either

[dim parcel]

I don’t think Salter was meant to powercreep Saber

[glacial trout]

not to mention you fail to add the 5% base buff from her element to bosses 😭

[glacial trout]

they’re two completely different uses

[sharp mulch]

rage bait ahh post

[glacial trout]

Alter is pure dps / clearing and Saber is more like utility/offense for the most part

Alter does not need a buff 👍

Just fix her passives

[sharp mulch]

i mean salter also has uliity too with her slow

[glacial trout]

yeah but that’s getting reworked

[sharp mulch]

it is?

[glacial trout]

because it ruins every other slow

[sharp mulch]

who said

[glacial trout]

yes

testers

[sharp mulch]

alr

neat

[dire slate]

Leaving 3 Saber Alter and 2 Sakuras together with an Esdeath for Buff, and the other 3 Saber Mythics separated so as not to take the debuff from Saber Alter debuff, with Esdeath and Sakura together for buffs*

[glacial trout]

there’s a whole post on it

[glacial trout]

you realize esdeath can buff all 3 alters right

place 3 esdeath

[dire slate]

Yes

[dire slate]

Her first passive of 50% damage buff has been changed, you need to have 10 enemies within her range for her to have 50% damage plus active this is literally a nerf to reduce her DPS

I don't know if you forgot to mention that

[spice dragon]

highkey saber alt is good idk what yall saying

[sharp mulch]

it also counts units in her range that are debuffed by her

[glacial trout]

he's rage baiting

[spice dragon]

for sure

[sharp mulch]

least obvious rage baiter

[spice dragon]

saber alter and sakura are ment to be used in together and there op together better than igris and sjw

[dire slate]

Yes, but your unit troops are debuffed to make them stronger:

[sharp mulch]

and whats the problem with that?

[dire slate]

It has less DPS than the Mythic Saber without any buffs, and with Alter Saber's 35% burn + 100% damage, is it more DPS? because in a match 3 Saber using Excalibur vs 3 Saber Alter attacking five times and using Dark Excalibur which would cause more damage to the same boss

Bro, you guys seem crazy talking about "He's provoking anger" when I literally said that she has less DPS without any buffs

[spice dragon]

yeah dark saber does more

[glacial trout]

+5% boss dmg as well on base dmg, and if you use sakura thats another buff

[dire slate]

Her first 50% buff passive was nerfed so it wouldn't be permanent

[spice dragon]

bro buffs come naturally this isnt an absurd thing to get

[dire slate]

Bro

[glacial trout]

this is without her 50% buff from passive

because it wasnt working

52k dps

[spice dragon]

is this perm?

[glacial trout]

plus burn

[glacial trout]

thats with excalibur

its 232k~ without excalibur

or something around it

[spice dragon]

ohhhh does it get perm 50% more damage

[dire slate]

I know but it depends on the enemies within its range or other units because it's not permanent anymore

[dire slate]

i know

[dire slate]

No

[spice dragon]

it surley is perm right

[glacial trout]

excalibur gives 100% dmg every 5 attacks and the first passive is 50% perm if the units are there, but if enemies die it goes away

[spice dragon]

idk i feel like it is

[dire slate]

Dont is permanent 50% buff damage

[spice dragon]

just place 10 units?

[sharp mulch]

just place 9 units within her range

[dire slate]

They changed it, it's no longer permanent

[sharp mulch]

then boom

max buff

[spice dragon]

BRO

[sharp mulch]

🤷🏻

[spice dragon]

HEAR ME OUT

place your farms next to her duh

youll dumb as freak

[sharp mulch]

exactly

thats already 3-4 of her stacks

then it would only need 6 enemies in range

[spice dragon]

also she doesnt even need that 50% anyway

like genuinely

[sharp mulch]

its nice

[dire slate]

Her 50% buff is no longer permanent bro

[spice dragon]

she does enough damage as it

[glacial trout]

rem is also goated placed around her

[glacial trout]

i just told you its permanent for units

[spice dragon]

yeah i know but you know what i mean

[glacial trout]

if the units are in range she does not LOSE damage

[spice dragon]

like its really not needed

[glacial trout]

if you remove the units then its gone

it was never permanent to begin with im 99% sure

[sharp mulch]

it was

[spice dragon]

does the farms count?

[sharp mulch]

before it became 5%

[glacial trout]

never noticed it ngl

[glacial trout]

yes

[dire slate]

When only enemies leave her range, the damage decreases and is only active when they are within her Aura, that's what I meant.

[spice dragon]

yeah so shes op

[glacial trout]

thats what i said

she has 63 range though

so like??

[spice dragon]

is it a bug maybe?

[shrewd garnet]

if you dont have sakura just say it

[dire slate]

Ah Sorry

[spice dragon]

real shit

[shrewd garnet]

or haruka

or subaru

[dire slate]

Haruka

[glacial trout]

she does 400k dmg almost without sakura as well so like

i dont understand the hate

[dire slate]

?

[glacial trout]

this image was without sakura

and Z stats

[spice dragon]

with sakura the synergy is insane

[glacial trout]

maybe 1 godly somewhere

[dire slate]

Me?

[glacial trout]

yeah

sakura goes insane

[dire slate]

It's not hate

[spice dragon]

not Z+?

[glacial trout]

uhhh maybe z on range idk

[spice dragon]

if so thats mad lowkey

[spice dragon]

what about the damage?

[glacial trout]

godly i think

low roll godly

[spice dragon]

😭

[dire slate]

Full Z+ stats

[spice dragon]

whats wrong with your saber gang

[glacial trout]

without excalibur

btw

[spice dragon]

true

she gets excaliber more than mythic saber does

shes better

[glacial trout]

yes

[shrewd garnet]

I think the most a saber does normally is 50k gang

[spice dragon]

highkey

[glacial trout]

not to mention burn dmg

plus rengoku / jogo

full aoe

bro

[shrewd garnet]

no excalibur

[sharp mulch]

i can send

hold on

just give me like

5-7 mins

[glacial trout]

AND KAREM OMG

[spice dragon]

alrighty

[glacial trout]

KAREM IS INSANE WITH HER I FORGOT

[sharp mulch]

the forgotten goat 💔

[spice dragon]

yeah everyone made just because saber adds 15% spa debuff

😭

like she could solo most things

like hello she also does 20% slow???

[glacial trout]

thats also why they're mad

[spice dragon]

as a damge unit?

[glacial trout]

i mean on her own its not bad

but

cant use esdeath and stuff

[spice dragon]

why 😭

[dire slate]

?

[glacial trout]

cause her 20% slow makes it so no CC works

its perm nerf

[dire slate]

Yes

[spice dragon]

tbf saber should of had her own slow

[glacial trout]

idk why she even has slow

[dire slate]

What

[glacial trout]

💀 Alter - Sakura - Karem - Rengoku - farms will be my next spider raid team for LB holy

[bright briar]

isdeath so goated

[zinc locust]

bc she did it in anime

[spice dragon]

no the issue is the fact it applies the same slow that all of the other units use instead of applying a diffrent slow to stop the cc conflict

[glacial trout]

i mean i think its the same slow as gogeta is it not

[spice dragon]

like she definetly should have her own

[glacial trout]

because its not snowflake freeze

but it still ruins gojo passive and stuff

[dire slate]

Sakura evo already starts with an active skill that buffs other units by +20% permanent damage once?

[glacial trout]

yes

[sharp mulch]

they should just make it so that it increases the spa of nearby units by 10% and slows nmearby enemies by 10% and have it stack

[spice dragon]

exactly which it just shouldnt conflict with

[glacial trout]

and a passive skill for spa reduction

[cedar flame]

salter does not need a buff bro 😭

[sharp mulch]

also

saber

dmg

z+ stats

[spice dragon]

yeah worse than saber

alt

[glacial trout]

i mean 💀 placing 3 of Alter also just gives you -45% spa

[dire slate]

Ah ok

[sharp mulch]

oh wait

[dire slate]

Esdeath doesn't have a good DPS, but as a support she is op but I don't understand why they didn't add an effect when she applies Affection to a unit, buffing her to cause 50% more damage to enemies

[spice dragon]

agreed just change her damn slow fr so it dont conflict with others

[glacial trout]

her dps can go higher with nuke passive dmg buff, as well but alter gets her nuke way before

[glacial trout]

Esdeath has 28k dps as a support without ability*

[bright briar]

yeah i agree bro

[spice dragon]

what the freak?

[glacial trout]

Yeah

[rugged jay]

[glacial trout]

Esdeath is the best unit this update

[cedar flame]

js corrupt the units u want near her

[dire slate]

Monarch

[glacial trout]

anyone who says she sucks

is already doomed

[dire slate]

?

[glacial trout]

shes even better with ethereal you realize that

[bright briar]

43k on placement no buffs

[glacial trout]

she does more dps

[spice dragon]

no like her cc slow so it dont mess with gojos ability

[rugged jay]

Time stop, freeze, 100% buff, this is crazy.

[dire slate]

Monarch

[glacial trout]

yeah she also buffs her own dmg by 50% on ability

[cedar flame]

its getting fixed

[dire slate]

And Esdeath start with 10k damage with no passives

[bright briar]

really dude im impressed you have eyes!!!

[spice dragon]

wait for real?

[glacial trout]

yes

[proud roost]

can time stop immediately after gojo time stop too

[cedar flame]

ye

[dire slate]

And you have brain!!!

[glacial trout]

AND WORKS WITH EMILIA

[dry lodge]

3.2k to place tho

[spice dragon]

so salter is gonna be really good then

[glacial trout]

yeah idk why people hating

[bright briar]

fuck are you yapping on she gives a unit 100% more dmg for 10 seconds

[spice dragon]

fr fr ima grind for her shiny then

[dire slate]

Does it increase the damage of all units during its active skill?

[spice dragon]

shiny monarch salter here i come

[dry lodge]

Water and passion units

[rugged jay]

Shiny monarch sakura when??

[glacial trout]

water passion and marked only

[spice dragon]

when they add shiny sakura😭

[dire slate]

Ah

[dry lodge]

Also has ability dmg increase worked for you guys? I tested in sandbox and it wasn't working

[bright briar]

there is no buff

its like alucard

[dire slate]

Is this her active skill? what the fuck

[glacial trout]

its like alucard

i think

it says units TAKE more dmg not gain dmg

[dry lodge]

I mean dmg dealt was still same
Ik it's like alucard

[glacial trout]

it was working

for me i think in sandbox

but i havent been able to test for a while 💀

[zinc locust]

Still trash

Only one unit can do it

and u can't tell which one does it

[bright briar]

no?

[dry lodge]

Sandbox yesterday water unit also marked, 26k before and after ability
Idk why

[proud roost]

there will be a marker/indicator eventually

[dire slate]

Ah

[proud roost]

test again pls

[rugged jay]

i'm gonna use Saber alter, sakura, Ishtar and Esdeath. (i just need 300000 yen for this work)

[dry lodge]

Also does ability work on all marked? Or just the one the ability user marked?

[bright briar]

so is ethereal best trait because you can mark 3 or does it not work

[dire slate]

@bright briar Are you pretending to be stupid, bro? I'm considering her DPS in the last upgrade without counting the active skill

[bright briar]

dps last upgrade still good

[dire slate]

I accidentally marked it myself:

[zinc locust]

placement dmg doesnt matter

no gamemodes has where enemies spawn with 43k hp

[bright briar]

tourneys

[dire slate]

Compared to the metas DPS units?

[proud roost]

idk if the marked gets boosted if u use esdeath ability that didn't mark the unit

[proud roost]

there is

[bright briar]

30k dps isnt good?

[dire slate]

No ideia

[dry lodge]

Phrasing makes it seem like it works on all
I'll test when I get home tho
And see if it works outside of sandbox

[zinc locust]

tourneys is pointless bro

[dire slate]

I understood

[zinc locust]

esdeath with her 41k does not matter

[dry lodge]

It doesnt matter if you ignore all the endgame content

[dire slate]

Really?

[bright briar]

uh huh

[dry lodge]

I know crazy concept

[zinc locust]

@bright briar @glacial trout is ilya worth hunting for with monarch?

[bright briar]

no

isnt ethereal best trait

[glacial trout]

she has 300k hp summons but i wouldnt go for her

[bright briar]

oh

her no

[zinc locust]

damn

[glacial trout]

i mean aside from the passive being like unique and all that, the summons just dont scale like SJW so she doesnt have much of a use as him in infinite/tourneys but for everything progressive wise she's pretty good i think

[dire slate]

It just doesn't make sense for her to start with a small circle of mortars, turn into a small cone, being a Meta unit, the first passive nerfed and people arguing that “yes, but they are correcting her passives” or that she works better as a Monarch because she is in 3rd place and works best using Sakura, the power level with each update is bizarre

[dry lodge]

If her summon's attacks actually had good range it would make Lilia kinda crazy
As is she doesn't seem that great to me tho

[glacial trout]

did you not complain at all about gogeta

[zinc locust]

damn so units this update are pretty mid

[civic locust]

Btw does illia summon 3 berserk if not monarch?

[dire slate]

Why are you waiting for me to complain about Gogeta?

[dry lodge]

Ye

[proud roost]

[civic locust]

W she good then i thought she only summon 1 imma evk her later

[zinc locust]

The amount of detail put behind all these units in Vanguard really make it my favorite TD of them all right now, its genuninely such a super sick game. Ilya, Saber Alter, and Dark Sakura all done extremely well.

[proud roost]

(esdeath and Lilia not ranked)

[dry lodge]

Like at best the summon hits 1 attack before just doing contact dmg
Which makes the attacks kinda pointless
Esdeath seems meta af tho
Idk about sakura or saber tho

[zinc locust]

sokoro can only select two units

[bright briar]

i dont think esdeaths affection works

[civic locust]

How is sokoro op?

[zinc locust]

she can make ur units attack2 x faster

[dry lodge]

It does
The ability kinda doesn't tho

[zinc locust]

only two unit

[dire slate]

@glacial trout Lancer no Gae Bolg giant attack and small circle mortar hitbox, Regnaw starting small cone horrible and dps becoming very thin aoe line it's all in your face there are several things leaving some units "Average" most of the time

[bright briar]

yeah the ability that gives that 100%

dmg

[proud roost]

still good + full aoe on placement

[bright briar]

i dont think it works

[civic locust]

Oh i dont relly understand her passives

[zinc locust]

full aoe on placement is pointless

[dry lodge]

Yea didn't work at all when I tested

[proud roost]

[bright briar]

ive been testing on and off today and i dont think it works

[dire slate]

Saber is above Saber Alter considering what?

[civic locust]

Ye i think alter is better

[glacial trout]

The problem is you see everything as DPS

"low DPS without monarch = auto trash" to you

that was ur entire basis anyways

[calm cloak]

pls monarch

[glacial trout]

u claimed it was p2w using monarch on alter

even tho we got 400+ rerolls for free

[proud roost]

i reported it not working during testing and they cancel my report 💀
i re-reported it yesterday though

[dire slate]

It wasn't

[glacial trout]

You said esdeath has terrible dps

she's a support

you then said normal saber does more dps than alter

[dire slate]

I tried to explain all of this using a translator so I may have made a few mistakes and couldn't explain it clearly

[dry lodge]

Her dps with passives maxed is also really good
Cuz affection is essentially a 50% dmg boost to her for most attacks

[dire slate]

Compared to target DPS units

Bro

[glacial trout]

yeah idk if her active is properly working but she gets like 60k dps with godly

and monarch

but

idk without it

thats insane for a support

[dry lodge]

Yea active isnt working but should be fixed soon
Either way 36k for the 10 second freeze, that's goated

[dry lodge]

Oh also btw ability unlocks at upg 6, passive for ability unlocks at upg 7

[glacial trout]

bro?

do u know how this game works at all 😭

[dire slate]

Bro?

[proud roost]

i tested with max upg iirc

[glacial trout]

Alter will hit excalibur 3x faster than Saber will hit excalibur

[tidal rock]

Screenshotting stats is only half the game

[glacial trout]

way more than 3x 💀

[lilac plover]

Isn’t salter debuffing salter?

[glacial trout]

yes

[dire slate]

No

[glacial trout]

Salter debuffs Salter spa

[bright briar]

i just did the math and esdeaths ability that gives 100% dmg to a unit doesnt work

[glacial trout]

when using 3

[dire slate]

It does not debuff another corrupted unit now

[dry lodge]

That was discussed like 5 minutes ago in this thread

[proud roost]

the shown dps isnt representative of true dps

[bright briar]

had to verify

[tidal rock]

Not anymore I don’t think

[glacial trout]

what is this supposed to tell me

[dire slate]

I know

[dry lodge]

Would dark Excalibur burn enough to make karem usable or nah?

[glacial trout]

yes

u can use it with rengoku too

[dire slate]

Salter debuffs Salter spa

[glacial trout]

all 3 of them work together i think

[dire slate]

Read the passive Nori:

[glacial trout]

okay and?

[dry lodge]

Wasn't that changed

[glacial trout]

im telling u

[glacial trout]

it used to but i think it was a bug

i think its fixed now ig

[dry lodge]

Yea upd log says she won't debuff herself or corrupted towers

[rugged jay]

Saber alter count as a corrupted unit, in other words she don't debuffs herself anymore.

[tidal rock]

This was fixed and no longer happens

[dire slate]

Saber Alter does not debuff the SPA of another Saber Alter, but because if it is considered a corrupted unit it does not take the +15% spa debuff, even with 3 Salters together

[dire slate]

Yes

[glacial trout]

[dire slate]

Yes bro

[dire slate]

Nori say its

[dire slate]

?

[glacial trout]

Anyways go back to telling me how you calculated Saber (Normal) doing more dps than atler

[dire slate]

Me?

[tidal rock]

“Salter debuffs salter spa”
“Salter does not debuff the spa of another saber alter”

Ur words bro

[dire slate]

Yes bro

📜

[proud roost]

[robust summit]

salter is mid

[proud roost]

no

[sharp mulch]

You can buff all ur salters with Sakura?

[dry lodge]

Why no esdeath

[dire slate]

Yes i think

[proud roost]

balancer didnt know where to rank esdeath

[glacial trout]

First of all: Alter will always get excalibur faster than Saber
Second of all: 35% burn dmg isnt added onto the dps
Third of all: 5% extra damage to bosses
Fourth of all: Sakura
Fifth: This is Alter with no Sakura buff and still doin 385K dmg

[dry lodge]

Ah ok that makes sense

[rugged jay]

We need more farms, these units are getting too much expensive.

[dry lodge]

Also why tf my phone tryna autocorrect ok to OK

[tidal rock]

Yeah Salter slams. Why was this suggestion even made.

[rugged jay]

[glacial trout]

idk weve been arguing with the guy who made it for an hour

[proud roost]

1h wasted

[glacial trout]

"normal saber 2x better than alter"

[proud roost]

[dire slate]

is full Z+ just to prove it again

[glacial trout]

1 hour i coulda gotten shiny sokora whom ive yet to see

[lilac plover]

And also isn’t salter aoe way bigger????

[glacial trout]

yes

[bright briar]

there is no shiny sokora model yet

[glacial trout]

alter gets full aoe too

[glacial trout]

[rugged jay]

Sixth: The second attack with sakura spa from the second passive isnt added onto the dps

[glacial trout]

and 7th: My goat Rengoku/Karem stacking together with her

[rugged jay]

CRAZY.

[dire slate]

Burn Stack?

[glacial trout]

Karem turns burn into frost burn as well

[rugged jay]

75% damage from burn in Dark excalibur.

[dry lodge]

Lowkey forgot rengoku was 40% burn buff
That's crazy

[dry lodge]

Multiplicative
Not addative

So 1.4x her burn

I'm not doing that math

[glacial trout]

idk how much it is with Karem

[dry lodge]

Does rengoku even buff frostburn?

[dire slate]

Ah

[glacial trout]

uhh no but his burn gets turned into frost burn

[rugged jay]

We need more burn damage dealers.

[glacial trout]

idk if his purgatory buffs it

lowkey should

[dry lodge]

Also problem with Karem is that he removes another unit's burn dmg just to apply his own
So having strong burn units with Karem just makes them worse

[glacial trout]

yes

man

he removes there burn

[rugged jay]

If rengoku burn buff wasn't like last upgrade would be 100% better, i have to spent like 50k yen for 40% buff.

[zinc locust]

what would her shiny even be?

[dry lodge]

Yea
He was a good unit when his dps was also solid but now he's a inf only unit
And not even good for inf cuz burn isn't that great rn

[rugged jay]

Probably one of sakura faces, characters with the same body as sakura but different eras or timelines.

[dry lodge]

Or just throw her in a silly outfit

[dim parcel]

I’m tempted to say Rengoku is obsolete

[dry lodge]

He is tbh

Not worth bringing when there's 1 meta burn unit
And the burn Is a lil inconsistent

[rugged jay]

He is obsolete.

[dim parcel]

Don’t know why I put him in good support in my tier list

[dry lodge]

Cuz any support is a good support

[dim parcel]

He’s legit about as useful of a support unit as Valentine is a boss killer

[rugged jay]

Yeah he is a very niche support, the only support for burn so technically he is good for this niche in infinite.

[dry lodge]

Yea
But not good for inf cuz burn isn't good

Saber Is hardly a burn, so rengoku not worth bringing

[dim parcel]

Also who goes for infinite leaderboard runs

[bright briar]

my ethereal rengoku will be meta in the future

[dry lodge]

Real

Inf lb is pain and suffering

[zinc locust]

??

bro what

[rugged jay]

After 300 updates, he gonna have another evo.

[zinc locust]

whats the point of having monarchs then

[dim parcel]

To have a cost-effective unit??

[bright briar]

flexing

[dry lodge]

Winning tournaments to get more rr to get more monarchs ofc

[zinc locust]

having monarchs for only tourneys is deadass boring

[dry lodge]

Yea its kinda a joke
If you like doing inf lb good for you, I hate it

My monarchs exist for worldlines lowkey

I need a good one to help le beat sunshine rooms

[urban bison]

Monarch is also meant for short progressive modes, but other than that its more about comfort and high dmg stat for that good ol' dopamine rush

[rugged jay]

i need to get this sakura before this boss rush ends, imagine have to wait 2 weeks for this fate boss rush.

[dry lodge]

It might not leave tmrw
But we can only hope

[rugged jay]

Sakura and Alter are limited secrets?

[urban bison]

Got both, but sadly the ethereal curse got me again on salter so i guess winter grind it is...

[rugged jay]

At least you have ethereal better than Solar.

[dry lodge]

I doubt it

I'm talking about boss rush rotating

Not any units fully leaving

[rugged jay]

The only limited unit is Esdeath?

[urban bison]

Boss rush rotating otherwise known as 40 free rr

[dry lodge]

Not sure but probably

Esdeath 100% limited

Saber and sakura I don't think so but I could be wrong

[sharp mulch]

salter has an obtainment date

so im assuming shes limited

[dry lodge]

Don't all units have obtainment dates?
Or am I remembering wrong

[sharp mulch]

only limited units

[proud roost]

esdeath only limited this upd (99% sure)

[dry lodge]

They really should add a limited tag now that some secrets will be limited

[rugged jay]

Gojo secret evo has obtainment date and not is a limited unit.

[sharp mulch]

oh

guess i was buggin then

mb

unless...

[rugged jay]

Yeah because i can't tell who is limited, who is permanent.

[sharp mulch]

gojo is limited!?!?

[glacial trout]

alucard also has obtainment date info

[rugged jay]

Sukuna also limited.

[dry lodge]

Yea it was fine when exclusive rarity meant limited, now it's confusing for new units

[rugged jay]

Fate update part 3 when??? We need Alter Emiya.

[dire slate]

No

[zinc locust]

it won't

[bright briar]

does her passive give an ally unit 50% more dmg or does it buff herself

[proud roost]

herself

[dire slate]

This Affection effect from Esdeath

is Permanent or only 1 hit 50% more damage?

[bright briar]

huh

herself

[dry lodge]

1 hit but every hit she does can be 50% more

theres no limit to it

[dire slate]

Ah

No way

[dry lodge]

as long as marked unit isnt something like gojo having constant 50% more dmg isnt hard to do

[dire slate]

My game crashed for the first time doing Saber Alter's boss rush

[bright briar]

she better mark buff 3 units with her ability

[dire slate]

I think there was too much Excalibur VFX on my screen

[dire slate]

I know

Thx

[dire slate]

Are you suggesting a buff to her passive?

[bright briar]

no

her passive is unclarified

[dry lodge]

her description says marked units do 100% more dmg
doesnt specify if only the one she marked gets buffed

and ability doesnt work so cant test

[velvet phoenix]

[sharp mulch]

is it bugged? i placed 4 units but its only buffing salter for 5% when it should be 20% or is that intentional

it works fine with enemies but not ally units

[timber cliff]

nah she isn't weak, just use salter with sakura and blitz genos with godly in spa, place genos in front, upgrade 0, corrupt genos with sakura and ggs

[exotic anvil]

Fellow shiny rem owner

[exotic anvil]

Is it worth it trying to get blitz on an epic unit though

[timber cliff]

i'm on my way to get both units to find out

they won't place it in sandbox so i have to get them

[exotic anvil]

Getting godly spa and blitz on an epic unit sounds really risky

You can't transfer that godly to another unit later either

[pure lava]

thats Monarch.

[timber cliff]

if it actually work the way i think it does they're nerfing genos anyway

[glacial trout]

no she gets 40k with excal on monarch

24.6k~ with ethereal excal

on placement

maybe higher

[dire slate]

is bug

[dire slate]

Bro who is Genos

[dry lodge]

the goat

[glacial trout]

Rem also works since her ability gets her down to like 2.4 spa

and has a bigger use

[dire slate]

Are you using Genos with Spa Stats at Z+ or Godly and blitzing him, to corrupt him with Sakura and link his SPA with Saber Alter's?

[dire slate]

My Genos' Spa was without Godly stats for 1s, does that really work?

[dire slate]

But if it doesn't last forever, it only lasts until her ability runs out and she leaves the 2s of SPA

It doesn't last forever*

But it's a good way to use it together with another DPS

I still think Saber Alter's 50% damage passive should be Permanent, her Dark Excalibur always hitting within the entire unit's range, Mas ok

[dry lodge]

Idk I dont use genos

[dire slate]

its ok

Can I close this chat or will you still chat here?

All of you I want to say*

[dire slate]

Make the 50% damage buff's first passive permanent and leave decent hitboxes for Saber Alter's first

"Make the 50% damage buff's first passive permanent and leave decent hitboxes for Saber Alter's first and second attack"

[timber cliff]

2.9s spa with -30% SPA passive

he's just goated

[timber cliff]

every other "fast" unit having 4s spa
meanwhile genos having 3s spa with 0.7x SPA multiplier as a passive

[dire slate]

Bro?

Ah

I deleted messages from myself and others by accident

How do I delete this entire post of mine?

[sharp mulch]

Close post

[dire slate]

Ah

But when you close it still appears to me

Still appears to me*

[sharp mulch]

Really?

[dire slate]

Yes really

[sharp mulch]

I mean it should close the post but idk why it ain’t 🤷

[pure lava]

Fubuki existing

[dire slate]

Mythic Saber is better than Alter Saber in "Overal" in the tier list of the AV wiki, Salter has Dark Excalibur with all that amount of damage but it attacks a bit slow, it hinders the CC in groups of units and the Corrupted buff is not that absurd to be worth it, it's worth always taking 2 units to increase the DPS of the other unit, in phrases with the Curse element it's a meta for sure but it's Mid even I wasn't wrong

Compared to Saber Myhtic DPS + Excalibur and Gilgamesh DPS + Enuma Elish

Not getting close or almost and depending on a series of buffs to reach the DPS of Saber and Gilgamesh in the Fate update:

While Gogeta and Regnaw are at the top, and some things are missing from Gogeta's passives

[pure lava]

Well, on paper, ignoring her bugs Salter heavily outclasses in dps due to her second passive, if it worked as intended, however it is harder to quantify that because it depends on another units SPA than will heavily vary, but will usually be around 4-5 thus we can run calcs off of that

She is quite close to gogeta dps, not matching, but close, within 10-20K depending monarch to monarch when assuming she works fully as intended. You also should keep salter on upgrade 10 in 99% of situations.

[graceful hedge]

Ain’t this just like Diego passive

[pure lava]

Diego’s doesnt decay

[graceful hedge]

Yeah they should really make it so it does not decay

[pure lava]

Making it decay makes it have to constantly check every like 2 seconds whos in her range, and it causes lag

Roblox is not build for that level of constant needed checks

[dire slate]

Yes

[dire slate]

I know

@pure lava But Salter's second passive stops making synchronized attacks when her 30% range buff is at maximum, was that supposed to be a bug?

[dire slate]

Her DPS comes close to Gogeta's, considering she is buffed by Sakura and is being corrupted, while making non-stop synchronized attacks + Giant Excalibur VFX?

[pure lava]

No, you dont corrupt salter, despite it being free, that bugs her more often

[pure lava]

Yes that is a bug

But yeah, thats how Salters supposed to work

[pure lava]

You dont corrupt salter cause it makes her more bugged, but yes, nonestop attacks, and the nukes going off as they’re supposed to (they dont)

[dire slate]

Ok thx

[dire slate]

But corrupting it would increase the damage by 20% while it had its SPA synchronized with Sakura's, you would have to synchronize it with another low spa unit to make Salter's attack between 4s 5s or 6s spa, all this to increase your attack speed and 20% damage per Corrupted status, 3 slots, no?

[pure lava]

she already has Sakura's SPA, its better for you if she has her own SPA, she cant animation stack

unlike every other unit, Salter cant animation stack

[dire slate]

I understand, but if you end up putting Monarch on her and stay, she will always only have -10% SPA but in exchange for a lot of damage, Blitz would leave her with a very good spa and Ethereal twice as much would it be better not to corrupt her?

[pure lava]

She currently never uses her own attack if you corrupt her

[zinc locust]

"She is quite close to gogeta dps" 💔

[pure lava]

Specifically on paper, her current bugged state says otherwise

[zinc locust]

gogeta can do a 75% extra damage with archer
alter cannot do that..

[pure lava]

But when factoring in a 5 second SPA on Sakura, and not corrupting her, he should have around 60-70K dps due to how big-

[zinc locust]

better aoe type than alter resulting in more dps..

[pure lava]

We’re not including outside buffs

[pure lava]

Actually incorrect, you barely gain dpd from 11-14, so you stay on 10 for full aoe

Full aoe is bigger than gogeta

You people who dont even math out best upgrades dps wise then claim shit are the worst

[zinc locust]

and why would you leave alter at upgrade 10?

that's just not fair lmao

[pure lava]

Yeah. Shes bad right now, and knowing these devs, forever, due to her bugs. But she definitely is close

[pure lava]

Cause you gain maybe 2000 DPS but go to a terrible aoe type after upgrade 10?

Why would you upgrade to a downgrade?

[zinc locust]

it's more spa

[pure lava]

Full aoe has a lower spa

I have done this math hundreds of times

[zinc locust]

There's no reason for you to leave her at the full aoe upgrade,

Youre better off maxing her as the usual

[pure lava]

…?

[zinc locust]

We do that for all of our single units

[pure lava]

So… its better to upgrade her for slightly higher single target damage, when its barely any more single target damage

Than to leave her on her full aoe

Where she outperforms her final upgrade?

Damn, you got me

You dont know math

2000 dps difference btw

40K yen for 2000 damage and a worse AOE

You got me

Definitely worth it

@dry lodge he really got me fr

How do I counter him saying “you just go to max upgrade” when its statistically worse

[spice dragon]

she is anything but bad gang

[pure lava]

Gang she is anything but good if you actually test her, you’ll see when the devs fix all the bugs I reported probably next patch, Leni was able to reproduce them. And they like to fix bugs on a major patch for some reason

Or, or, let me guess, you like no CC working on units for no reason, and your unit dealing 50% leas damage than it should every attack, and neve nuking if you even try to make her even comparable to normal saber (using Sakura)

[spice dragon]

i have her monarch bro shes still like really good i do agree but personally i havent noticed any bugs bro

[pure lava]

Broski, I have her monarch AND etherial, I am a fate stan

And if you havent noticed any bugs then you are blind

[spice dragon]

bro you just chillout gang im not trying to argue

[spice dragon]

i play with vfx and stuff off

so???

[pure lava]

You are pinging me when you evidently havent done any testing saying a unit is good when we’re in a chat of people who have also seen the same bugs

[jolly flume]

bump

[pure lava]

You are trying to start an argument

[spice dragon]

HOWEVER i did notice that her excaliber attack does take ages like ridicliously long

[jolly flume]

i have her monarch and etheral andd i found no bugs

[pure lava]

Oh for christs sakes

[jolly flume]

i litterally do tho lol

[pure lava]

Working perfectly as intended huh

[spice dragon]

bro ive used her plenty shes my main unit bro

me personally i havent noticed any bugs

[pure lava]

6 attacks no nuke, and every attack had -50% damage

Perfectly as intended hug

[pure lava]

Man, so perfectly as intended

No bugs here

[jolly flume]

whers theee bug bro

huh

[spice dragon]

bro thats clearly fluctuating from the 50% attack damage thats legit the passive?

[pure lava]

So you’re blind

[pure lava]

Every time she attacks

[spice dragon]

its visual???

[pure lava]

EVERY TIME

SHE ATTACKS

[spice dragon]

ITS VISUAL

[pure lava]

ITS THE -50%

[spice dragon]

CLEARLY

[pure lava]

NO ITS NOT

[spice dragon]

WATCH IT

IT IS

[pure lava]

THE TESTERS GAVE DONE THE MATH TOO

[spice dragon]

SHE KILLS THE THINGS SHES ATTACKING BRO???

[pure lava]

ITS NEVER HER OWN DAMAGE

GANG

[jolly flume]

well clearly the buff isnt permanent gnnng

[spice dragon]

it isnt

[pure lava]

Ah yes, the 100K HP left enemies shes attacking cause I have a monarch gilg and a monarch esdeath. Ow

[pure lava]

Oh for christs sakes

Thats not the bug

I’m not gonna argue with you two, the testers have agreed with me

[spice dragon]

yeah but it flucuates for the passive reason

[pure lava]

Thats all you need to know

[spice dragon]

its probs visual tbf

[pure lava]

Oh my god you are stupid

[spice dragon]

wait so your telling my saber is gonna get even better then?

😭 🙏

[pure lava]

Shes getting -50% cause shes never using her own SPA, shes ALWAYS using Sakura’s attack

Which is a clear bug

[jolly flume]

aboutt what?

[pure lava]

She isnt corrupted, obviously, you watched me place her

She just always decides Sakura’s attack is higher prio than her own spa

Which leads to 1, her not nuking even after 20 attacks

And 2, much lower dps

[spice dragon]

how tf does mine nuke then???

ive done countless portals

she nukes bro

[pure lava]

Your sakuras SPA is too high, or you arent using sakura

[spice dragon]

im always using her

[pure lava]

Whats your sakuras average spa

[spice dragon]

like 4.9

lower than sabers

[pure lava]

Too high, get it to 4.5 ish

Which is where mine sits without corrupting anyone

[spice dragon]

ive been that low before and still nothing gang

[pure lava]

She sits on 4.6 after corrupting gojo, without bug abusing

Using Fubuki, and specifically corrupting gojo on final upgrade after ability stacks

[spice dragon]

ive seen her nuke atleast once with low spa for certain

[pure lava]

Yeah, she will, eventually. Sometimes she’ll even use her nuke twice in a row cause thats another bug she has

Salter is supposed to be much stronger than she is, but as it stands shes not even top 10 units

I use her still cause again, fate stan

[spice dragon]

alright well thanks for letting me know i guess

[pure lava]

I used 1500 rerolls on her

[spice dragon]

didnt know all this highkey

im just confused asf because i didnt think salter had any issues bro

highkey

[spice dragon]

mental

i used 200 on shiny salter

and got monarch

used 5 on sakura got monarch

[pure lava]

Ah, thats your problem

[spice dragon]

oh?

[pure lava]

Sakura would rather have Blitz than monarch

Well, problem is…

I guess till her bug gets fixed monarch is better

[spice dragon]

nah i prefer monarch highkey

😭

sakura does so much damage

its not funny

[pure lava]

Her entire support capability comes from lowering ber SPA as low-

[spice dragon]

i know but monarch so much damage

[pure lava]

She deals less dps than one etherial choso

[spice dragon]

bro her actual dps visibily doesnt matter

like she does 60% of her dammage per second

[pure lava]

She deals 60% of her attack a second

[spice dragon]

not her dps

or something

[pure lava]

She gets 15K dps with monarch

Thats her dps

Thats lower than one etherial choso

[spice dragon]

but she does that a second

so

more than choso

[pure lava]

15K dps with a tiny aoe

[spice dragon]

big aoe

stop the rage bait

[pure lava]

Tiny aoe compared to what you need from a unit whos only doing that much

I’m a lb player

Shes never going to be used for her dps

16K is nothing

One traitless rem achieves that

[spice dragon]

im diffrent from the rest of them bro

🔥

[pure lava]

You know what. You are obviously just a casual player, you can enjoy the rest of your night. I’m not gonna argue with someone who thinks 15K dps is a lot.

Dps stands for damage per second

[spice dragon]

i am a casual thank you tho

[pure lava]

By the way.

[spice dragon]

im aware

no need to be rude

[pure lava]

You said “she does that per second” like that changes anything

Thats why I said that.

[spice dragon]

it does tho

[pure lava]

It doesnt. For dps calcs it doesnt.

[spice dragon]

if she does 15k dps

its more than etheral choso

[spice dragon]

his dps is so low

[bronze briar]

“Salter” and “weak” in the same sentence 💔

Gng this aint it

[pure lava]

Oh for the love of-

[spice dragon]

this what i mean im confused?

[pure lava]

I’m done trying to help you guys understand

You all come out of the woodwork and dont even understand her passives

[spice dragon]

you were being a bit mean

[spice dragon]

i fully understand her passives shes my fav

[spice dragon]

btw you play any aa still?

[pure lava]

No, I do not, mainly cause I realized it wasnt going to change for the better. Its stuck in the past

[spice dragon]

valid

[spice dragon]

what your highest on lb if you play lb?

[sharp mulch]

wait please help me understand

[pure lava]

His dps isnt low once you factor in his second passive by the way. Thats multiplicative, not additive.

[sharp mulch]

why she aint allat good

like if you were to summerize it into a few sentences

why is she buns

[pure lava]

Watch her damage in this video, no thats not her first passive

Also she hits 6 times in this video, and doesnt change to her nuke

[spice dragon]

you didnt show sokora tho

[urban bison]

wish you could maintain her 1st passive dmg stack, well technically you can by placing 10 units in her circle, the only problem is whenever you sell/place anything anywhere on the map she loses the buffs you were getting from the units around her... 🔥

[pure lava]

Every time she attacks she is using Sakura’s SPA, refusing to use her own. Which means shes always eating -50% damage

[sharp mulch]

so shes buns cause

shes bugged?

[pure lava]

Yeah

[jolly flume]

no

[sharp mulch]

oh

[sharp mulch]

shut up

[jolly flume]

?

[pure lava]

Once her bugs are fixed she’ll be the second best unit in the game

[sharp mulch]

thats enough out of you

[spice dragon]

yay

[jolly flume]

is she buns cause of her looks>

?

[sharp mulch]

they usually are pretty fast to fix bugs

[pure lava]

Only inferior to Gogeta

[spice dragon]

whats your highest lb?

[sharp mulch]

cause its bugged

[jolly flume]

btw this is increadibly biased since this guy has her monarch always check ur sources

[spice dragon]

also shiny salter cosmetic is bugged

[jolly flume]

ofc u would say she needs a buff u got her monarch

[pure lava]

I reported these to Leni a week ago, she was able to reproduce them, i’m assuming they’re going to drop the fixes next patch

[sharp mulch]

0/10 ragebait

[spice dragon]

fr

[sharp mulch]

do you not read anything he said

[jolly flume]

am i lying tho?

[pure lava]

I dont want her buffed, I want her to actually have her passives work as intended.

[sharp mulch]

hoopefully

[jolly flume]

HOW is that rage baiting

[spice dragon]

im so confused 😭

[jolly flume]

no wait actually

fr

[sharp mulch]

monarch is not even the problem here

???

why are you talking about a irrelevent point

[jolly flume]

thats like gettting your weather report from somone that like rain

[spice dragon]

soooo what is your highest lb im intrested

[sharp mulch]

he cleary stated salters bad cause shes bugged rn

monarch trait is irrelevent in this conversation

[jolly flume]

clearly he wants her to be better cuz he has her monarch

[spice dragon]

cant wait for salter to be my goat as intended

[sharp mulch]

no its not even subjective

[spice dragon]

keep it hush lil jit

[sharp mulch]

its litterly a fact

that shes bugged

are you gonna say shes not bugged now?

[urban bison]

rn she can't even get her bonus dmg properly with units(enemies work just fine) whenever you place something anywhere on the map she loses the % she getting from your units in her slow range

[jolly flume]

well tcl idc tbh but ts pmo fr

[spice dragon]

do you play fort?

[pure lava]

I reached 210 recently, but my team plans to go for a top 30 run once Salter is fixed. Her slow field will be amazing once it doesnt stop all other CC’s from working which was confirmed by Psy to be being fixed… still doesnt let me timestop though….

[sharp mulch]

a bit

[pure lava]

My top ever was 280 before

[spice dragon]

nothing lil bro

[jolly flume]

comepletly irerelavant

[jolly flume]

BRO LETS GO BAND FOR BAND

[sharp mulch]

im not talking to you

[dire slate]

Another Bug

[spice dragon]

i dont care im not rolling on fodder bro

[pure lava]

Leni knows about it and was able to reproduce it

It’ll be fixed

[jolly flume]

igris is only bad on there

[pure lava]

I’m ignoring the rage baiter rn

[spice dragon]

💀

[spice dragon]

sukuna is also bad

[jolly flume]

its a reroll flex

[jolly flume]

sukana is litteraly meta after buff💔