#Change Subaru's special ability. it sucks.

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viral crest
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Ngl none of my friends even play this game so cant really relate to that

ancient delta
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In the end it’s mostly just a opinion🤷

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Everyone can have one

drifting cliff
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This is one of the best updates yet, compared to the usual 3-5 new units and a new shop, what r u complaining about

mortal granite
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forcefeed em

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i tricked my friend with the fate update

viral crest
ancient delta
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Me and my friends been atd brainrotted since astd

ancient delta
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THATS CRAZY

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Not even my group is that brain rotted to grind aizen

ancient delta
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Although objectively

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The update was good

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It did have some bad aspects

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Like how some units were designed

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And making Gogeta a vanguard

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But there is more good than bad

viral crest
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Id say this upd was good if it was released in 2023

ancient delta
viral crest
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Like people enjoyed this

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But i think the banner mechanic has been done to death already

ancient delta
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That’s fair

viral crest
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Its extremely repetitive

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I wouldnt mind grinding 100 stages

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I just want those stages to be different

ancient delta
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How would you propose a new event?

viral crest
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Since those wouldnt be grindy

ancient delta
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In my experience

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I haven’t seen any atd do a good Christmas event

viral crest
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Tds have some good events

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I would recommend playing it

ancient delta
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What’s it like?

viral crest
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Its like the best td on rblx

ancient delta
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I played a lot a long time ago

viral crest
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Like 3-4

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Like you can not solo stages

ancient delta
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Hm

viral crest
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Its like extremely hard to solo any endgame mode

ancient delta
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Interesting

viral crest
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The hardcore mode basically requires 3 players minimum with endgame loadout

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Are you perhaps familiar with the advent mechanic of battle cats?

ancient delta
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So would the addition of a higher difficulty to Av be a good idea?

mortal granite
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this update was generally well received tho

viral crest
ancient delta
viral crest
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You get 1 extremely difficult stage with 3-4 lanes

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2-3 bosses and 40 waves or smth

ancient delta
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I really want more stages with unit rewards

viral crest
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The bosses actually jumps around and have various attack moves

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Some of them even attack bases

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Id say the christmas event of 2022 were the best

ancient delta
viral crest
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You can check it out

ancient delta
viral crest
ancient delta
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Awww

viral crest
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There is a fnaf boss that jumpscares

ancient delta
viral crest
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And walter white

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Id say i want something similar to this be added to av

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Except with multiple maps

ancient delta
viral crest
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You will unlock different rewards like skins and other units

mortal granite
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we bet it all on astdx...

viral crest
ancient delta
faint lagoon
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i am 3 days to late but that just how every suggestion is rn. just filled with dumbass suggestion. i wouldnt be suprised if the devs would stop looking into suggestions in the future

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cuz i swear 8 of 10 times those shitty suggestions gotta be rage bait

ancient delta
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I don’t see a lot of people suggesting to buff units

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Unless I’m missing smth

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I’ve only seen the ragna one and this one

faint lagoon
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nah i mean shi like #1328188590487900200

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like that got 120 L votes and is also a suggestion

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that literally

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is not a suggestion

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but straight up rage up by a peasent froggy_cry

foggy axle
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bumpo

whole pelican
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aight ggs

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got it near 160 portals

sacred pine
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while we're at it can we change his shiny cosmetic aswell, its literally the same as the normal one lol

foggy axle
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holy peak

tulip cave
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i'd make it invisible providence but the devs don't care about small things like that

ancient delta
sacred pine
sacred pine
sacred pine
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they gotta hire u after this one

young lily
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My rage bait got to him

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Im sorry, its a condition. Im moving forward and trying my best to avoid rage baiting in his honor 😔

sacred pine
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oh damn he is gone

sacred pine
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they simply must read this thread before the update comes out and rework him

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ill be so upset if hes still mid

ancient delta
sacred pine
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did they

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where

mild kraken
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they already changed it what

ancient delta
ancient delta
sacred pine
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bro this thread has thousands of messages wdym 😭

mild kraken
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when he pops his ability the buff he gives to other units goes from 10% to 20%

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that's more than enough

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he's better than haruka

sacred pine
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yeah ik but still

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his ability itself is useless

mild kraken
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he's just support

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that's all he'll ever be

sacred pine
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they could make it 20% and change his ability to actually do something

ancient delta
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🤷🏻

mild kraken
sacred pine
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his ability just makes him reset to upgrade 0 they could keep the passives how they are and change the ability to one of the earlier suggested things

ancient delta
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they could have

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but they didint

sacred pine
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idk im still not fully happy with it

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subaru deserves more

ancient delta
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you can debate with the devs

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but nothings gonna change

sacred pine
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what i really care about is them changing the shiny subarus cosmetic

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if at least that happens im happy

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ill still always use him if he gets reworked or not but the cosmetic looks the exact same even though hes insanely rare

ancient delta
sacred pine
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idk if the normal has the glowing effect but on the wiki the actual unit has the glowing effect

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so i assume the normal ones cosmetic does too

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and even if the shiny does have a glowing effect on the cosmetic it barely looks different at all and imo they should still change it

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for how rare he is barely changing the cosmetic at all is insane

mild kraken
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kinda stupid that they made a shiny that's pretty much locked behind when trading drops

sacred pine
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it def shouldve been a leaderboard and top leaderboard gets shiny but im not complaining

mild kraken
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I wonder what WL LB will even give

sacred pine
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maybe itll acc give shiny subaru who knows

mild kraken
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yeah I kinda doubt it'll be another unit

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cause then every worldlines is 2 units

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which seems like a lot ngl

sacred pine
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itd be kinda cool if top leaderboard got shiny but u have a small chance to get shiny from the portal anyways incase u arent able to get top lb

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so i can see it

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they should wait an update to do that though so shiny subaru has insane value in 20 years

molten egret
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Did poster get baned

sacred pine
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ye

molten egret
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banned

sacred pine
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or left idk

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i think he j left

molten egret
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💔

mild kraken
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it's that fbi guy

ancient delta
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(i think)

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he said he was going to end someone if they didint rework subaru on stage chat

molten egret
stark plover
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This anime vanguards shit gets serious

violet cliff
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This suggestion needs to stay declined

hallow storm
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not every single unit is supposed to be good

warm arch
stark plover
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Monarch Subaru

viral crest
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Ngl watch the passives the devs sneaked turns out to be “+x% of y when z happens” just even more specific and niche

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Or im not familiar with their game and they gonn make some actual interesting units instead of “damage dealer no.2997” or “dps buffer no.14”

compact meadow
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Bump

inner harness
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nah he's a support lol

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he shouldn't be a DPS unit

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and he gives the 80% money back and returns to upgrade 0 ??? CRAZY GOOD

devout leaf
inner harness
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y'all wanna buff everything

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and say everything is mis

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mid*

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lol

devout leaf
inner harness
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and he works well with ragna

devout leaf
inner harness
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and all other units

inner harness
devout leaf
inner harness
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only 1 subaru buffs per time so

devout leaf
inner harness
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meh

devout leaf
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He needs atleast 7% buff more than haruka to be "good"

inner harness
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that doesn't change that he's a support even if he's bad

devout leaf
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No matter how hard u try and convince me, he is buns, more buns that most mythics

inner harness
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what do you think about fubuki

dire egret
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Do yall use subaru or haruka

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when money is limited

inner harness
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don't know, used only haruka

devout leaf
dire egret
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yeah fair

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ngl

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the only place where i'd use subaru

inner harness
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used him only to buff ragna

dire egret
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is a long enough inf run

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or some tourney where u get a lot of yen without farms

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but thats it

inner harness
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so what do you think about fubuki?

devout leaf
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Subaru is barely usable by himself

inner harness
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she's even worse right?

devout leaf
timber oyster
dire egret
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😭

inner harness
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bro

dire egret
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i only use a lv 1 fubuki unevolved for the 50% portal buff

devout leaf
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The spa reduction has no upgrade required and is basically a free booster to ur units

timber oyster
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the 5% spa decrease is jst to support the addition of ragna LOL

dire egret
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^^ yh

inner harness
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and subaru too

dire egret
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only ever used her for ragna and portals

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thats it

timber oyster
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outside of portals I don't think I've ever seen a single fubuki

inner harness
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meh ig every other unit in this update sucks expect rem

timber oyster
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fibuki evo has a longass spa too

devout leaf
dire egret
inner harness
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she freezes

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but does ass damage

devout leaf
inner harness
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i mean

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she does something more

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like they would make her slow

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or repuls

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idk

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why freeze

devout leaf
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Emilia basically completely replaces Julius rn after his nerf

dire egret
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what was the julius nerf

inner harness
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never heard about

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my julius with ethereal does 6k dps as a support unit 💀

devout leaf
inner harness
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multi hit

dire egret
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julius has always had good dps for a support

devout leaf
dire egret
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i've been using him for the boss rushes didnt see anything different

devout leaf
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Both times I used solar, so discretion is advised

dire egret
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maybe he was shadow nerfed, no clue abt this

devout leaf
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Pre nerf he was doing 50k

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Post nerf is 37k

dire egret
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Wtf thats a big difference

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why do I see no one complaining abt this if it did happen

devout leaf
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Only ppl with monarch use him, and otherwise, he is still considered good enough

timber oyster
devout leaf
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Emilia rn is doing 48k at max with blitz so it's worth pointing it out

timber oyster
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Whata re you feeding your julius

devout leaf
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With all his passives

timber oyster
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yeap

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It was during that one tourney

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The water tourney

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I think tourney 3

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The shibuya one

devout leaf
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Mine did 50k man, tho I think it's mostly due to solar

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Rn mine is also doing 37k

devout leaf
timber oyster
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oh damn

devout leaf
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Which is why there was a high usage for julius during hat time

sour pagoda
timber oyster
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Where did u use him where he did 50k

devout leaf
devout leaf
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Clearly the devs noticed it tho

sour pagoda
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He only did because of toruna or other bugf

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Buff

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U can watch the showcase

timber oyster
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Jst saw the showcase

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It was 36k

devout leaf
sour pagoda
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40% more damage

devout leaf
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His stats still showed 50k

timber oyster
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Showcases are around 32k to 36k bro

devout leaf
sour pagoda
devout leaf
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That would explain why they didn't mention the nerf

sour pagoda
devout leaf
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Since he was doing extra dmg unintentionally

timber oyster
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..he never did 50k

sour pagoda
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Steel ball run give 40% more damage

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To water units

timber oyster
sour pagoda
devout leaf
timber oyster
devout leaf
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Used to be my main unit before I got monarch Gilgamesh

sour pagoda
devout leaf
# sour pagoda 😭😭😭

I am leaning towards the idea that his dmg reaching 50k was unintentional, hence when it got fixed, his dmg went to it's actual amount

devout leaf
sour pagoda
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36 40% is

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14

timber oyster
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50.4

sour pagoda
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= 50k

sour pagoda
devout leaf
sour pagoda
devout leaf
devout leaf
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Happened around the time when the 2nd part of the bp dropped

sour pagoda
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Never heard of it it might have happend to you cause i never saw bug reportt so not sure

devout leaf
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That's how I remember the thing

devout leaf
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Bug basically allowed ppl to claim the units multiple times by bugging it out

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But ruined some code consistently

sour pagoda
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Never heard of it

devout leaf
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It was funny asf

sour pagoda
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Hmm

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But he was never 50 k

devout leaf
sour pagoda
devout leaf
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Claiming him during the code breaking, just goofed up stuff

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Sometimes it straight up lagged the game to 10 fps

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Permanently

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My friend struggled with it

violet cliff
devout leaf
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With no costs tho,

warm arch
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Haruka > Subaru due to cost-efficiency

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Also +2% damage is nothing this ain’t Clash Royale

tough tundra
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hes a support not a dps right

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then just remove or replace the self buff of 50% upon ability use

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it serves no purpose since his dps sucks even with the ability

tough tundra
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10% more range is better than 2% more dgm

devout leaf
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Needs atleast 7% more than haruka for me to warrant using him. Tho I'm sure this would differ to others

tough tundra
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my idea was smth like this
Return to Zero:

  • Remove the 50% dmg buff on himself, what's the point of this when he does garbage damage even with it.
  • Make it usable an infinite amount of times or until refund reaches 0, giving 10% extra dmg on the first use and 3% for each succeeding uses.
  • Using Return to Zero each time would return Subaru to Upgrade 0 while refunding 80% of the money spent for the upgrade. Each succeeding use of the ability reduces the refund by 20% while doubling his upgrade cost. (The refund will only calculate the money spent for the FIRST upgrade before ever using the ability)
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first ability cast -> 80% refund, 10% dmg
2nd ability cast -> 2x upgrade cost, 60% refund, 3% more dmg (repeat for subsequent casts)

devout leaf
warm arch
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I think Subaru’s pretty balanced rn

tough tundra
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considering he buffs already upon placement

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money shouldnt really be a cost in that mode anyway so double upgrade cost isn't that big of a problem

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subaru doesn't just die once, so why does his ability only work once

sour pagoda
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I dont know why u guys think subaru sucks

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Because its a replacement of hakura rin for those who dont have her

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If u have hakura use that

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Dont use subaru simple

tough tundra
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once trading comes

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what will become of Subaru's value?

sour pagoda
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Wdym then what?

tough tundra
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what would Subaru's purpose be

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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he's not even permanent

sour pagoda
tough tundra
sour pagoda
tough tundra
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shiny?

sour pagoda
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There no shiny

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Only single hakura

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She rare asf

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And bot is banned so there not many people have it

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And i dont think there was many alt account

tough tundra
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there are A LOT

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of alts

sour pagoda
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U have 1v

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?

tough tundra
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esp when the game started

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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i dont

sour pagoda
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So its rare for u

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And there many people who didn’t made alts

tough tundra
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the point is

tough tundra
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once trading is added, subaru loses all purpose

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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no not really?

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one player and 3 alts can grind inf for bp exp

sour pagoda
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There was not enough info

tough tundra
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hell there were bugs back then that made getting bp exp easier like the paragon thrice

sour pagoda
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Thrice never gave bp exp

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And am sure of it

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I tested myswlf

tough tundra
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well inf alr existed back then

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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wdym not enough info

sour pagoda
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If u had seen the question

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Chat

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It was filled with these types of question

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And i get that his ability is not that good and anime accurate

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But he is not trash

tough tundra
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he is trash

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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18% dmg + 18% range > 20% dmg + 8% range

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and his 50% dmg buff passive is absolutely useless when he only has like 12k dps at monarch

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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thats haruka's buff

sour pagoda
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Just imagine it doesnt exist

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Will he be trash?

tough tundra
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yes

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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why is he a mix of a dps and a support?

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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thats what makes him trash

sour pagoda
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If there was no hakura will he be trash)

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??

tough tundra
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out of the 2 BUFF units

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you remove one

sour pagoda
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Yes

tough tundra
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the remaining becomes best

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but being best doesnt mean it is that good

sour pagoda
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Tf?

tough tundra
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remove all dps, leave naruto as the remaining unit in game

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will he just stop becoming trash?

sour pagoda
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🤔🤔it will not be game if there only 1 unit

tough tundra
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emphasis on the DPS part

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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if you cannot read that then not my problem

sour pagoda
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I didn’t get fully what you mean by that

tough tundra
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wdym you dont get what im saying

sour pagoda
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But buffer and dps are whole different things

tough tundra
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im using ur argument in different form

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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how so?

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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u argued that removing haruka, the only other buff unit aside from subaru, would mean subaru is not trash if he's the remaining one

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im using that argument saying, if i remove all other dps in game and leave the worst dps, that means the remaining one is not trash

sour pagoda
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Ohk

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Tell how he trash

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Compare it to hakura

sour pagoda
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Ability part is bad i would agree with that

tough tundra
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2% more dmg doesn't make a difference

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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hell, he was released being worse than harukka

sour pagoda
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Now u want more damage?

tough tundra
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for a worldline unit that requires you clearing 50 stages

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hes not really that good

sour pagoda
tough tundra
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whereas haruka rin, someone u used to get for passively playing and getting bp exp is nearly on a similar level

sour pagoda
mortal granite
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not deep

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also some people js not gonna bother with trading

timber oyster
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so it jst means that you'll get a total 38% dmg buff

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it's not like it's saying "u can't use both subaru and haruka"

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and subaru won't be tradable

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he's a secret

mortal granite
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they said anything that will be up for a limited time will be tradeable

timber oyster
mortal granite
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i dont think they realized they don't make every limited unit exclusive or higher

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recent qna they said every unit that will go away will become tradeable

hot prism
hot prism
devout leaf
devout leaf
devout leaf
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Which they are not, so he would end up worse, since the need to use buffs rn are basically 0

autumn violet
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subaru is pretty good for support

foggy axle
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like maybe apply slow

autumn violet
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nahhh

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we got 3 units who do that basically gng

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this upd

echo merlin
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I thought he was going to summon whatever boss you kill

near thistle
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Fien

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Fine fine

foggy axle
autumn violet
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yes bro

gleaming zinc
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croc and diavolo's ability

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slow is so forgotten

young lily
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he gone

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1 opp down

autumn violet
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freeze better

grave kettle
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To make suburu good you need money

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With money hes way better than haruka

grave kettle
last glacier
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It’s declined

grave kettle
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He’s required for 9B

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Haruka can’t even do that

violet cliff
violet cliff
dire egret
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i dont have her

viral crest
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“+x% of y when z happens” just very specific

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Legit just dps increases

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The slow was pretty unique tho icl

violet cliff
ancient delta
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lemme send a ss

viral crest
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Prob the best passives ive seen so far from the gamep

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Ya got sum for illya?

ancient delta
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all of the passives this upd were actually pretty good

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lemme send

ancient delta
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illya

viral crest
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Illya my beloved

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I was wrong i wasnt familiar with their games

ancient delta
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sakura was really good tho

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shes like a trap unit

viral crest
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Cant believe the old balance team were holding them back this much

ancient delta
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ikr

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good riddance

viral crest
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Like dang this is some good stuff

ancient delta
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lemme send sakura

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she does not attack

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enemies just get damaged if they walk in her range

viral crest
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Unique concepts ✅
Good balancing(somewhat)✅
Banger VFX:✅

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Icl this is one of the best upd in atd history

ancient delta
ancient delta
viral crest
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You literally can not win the event on release without unique

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Ts was bum

ancient delta
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check out esdeaths passives tho

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pretty sure this majorly changes the meta for inf

viral crest
violet cliff
mortal granite
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i think update 3 alr had some p cool passives

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they deff upped it this time tho

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basically a perfect mini update except MVP rewards

viral crest
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Like 0 flaws typa stuff

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No insane odds

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No gacha

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Well kinda

viral crest
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No special gimmick no active abilities no nothin

tough tundra
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why is mvp rewards bad