#Change Subaru's special ability. it sucks.
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This is one of the best updates yet, compared to the usual 3-5 new units and a new shop, what r u complaining about
😭
you gotta get them in bro
forcefeed em
i tricked my friend with the fate update
They all hopped on ay ay to grind aizen vro..
Me and my friends been atd brainrotted since astd
NAH
THATS CRAZY
Not even my group is that brain rotted to grind aizen
1/80k 💔
Although objectively
The update was good
It did have some bad aspects
Like how some units were designed
And making Gogeta a vanguard
But there is more good than bad
Id say this upd was good if it was released in 2023
What would make the update better
Excluding the obvious stuffs: a new event
Like people enjoyed this
But i think the banner mechanic has been done to death already
That’s fair
Its extremely repetitive
I wouldnt mind grinding 100 stages
I just want those stages to be different
How would you propose a new event?
Thats pretty tricky since everything i recommend would not be sustainable for the player base
Since those wouldnt be grindy
Fair
Tds have some good events
I would recommend playing it
What’s it like?
Its like the best td on rblx
I played a lot a long time ago
You need friends
Like 3-4
Like you can not solo stages
Hm
Its like extremely hard to solo any endgame mode
Interesting
The hardcore mode basically requires 3 players minimum with endgame loadout
Are you perhaps familiar with the advent mechanic of battle cats?
So would the addition of a higher difficulty to Av be a good idea?
Yeah
I wouldnt say so
this update was generally well received tho
Yeah the event units there are like that
Oh cool
I really want more stages with unit rewards
The bosses actually jumps around and have various attack moves
Some of them even attack bases
Id say the christmas event of 2022 were the best
Sounds like the goat awtd
You can check it out
I’ll watch a vid later about it
Yeah except they dont kill you or your units
Awww
There is a fnaf boss that jumpscares
Dawg what😭 😭 😭
And there is a purple guy skin for an unit
And walter white
Id say i want something similar to this be added to av
Except with multiple maps
Now that’s just peak
And if you win while your team have certain units
You will unlock different rewards like skins and other units
we bet it all on astdx...
We are all in
🗣️🔥🔥🔥
i am 3 days to late but that just how every suggestion is rn. just filled with dumbass suggestion. i wouldnt be suprised if the devs would stop looking into suggestions in the future
cuz i swear 8 of 10 times those shitty suggestions gotta be rage bait
Could you point out a few?
I don’t see a lot of people suggesting to buff units
Unless I’m missing smth
I’ve only seen the ragna one and this one
nah i mean shi like #1328188590487900200
like that got 120 L votes and is also a suggestion
that literally
is not a suggestion
but straight up rage up by a peasent 
bumpo
while we're at it can we change his shiny cosmetic aswell, its literally the same as the normal one lol
holy peak
tf u want it to be
i'd make it invisible providence but the devs don't care about small things like that
Nah, the shiny version got a glowing effect
literally anything else
close enough to the same thing 😭
they gotta hire u after this one
his ahh is gone
My rage bait got to him
Im sorry, its a condition. Im moving forward and trying my best to avoid rage baiting in his honor 😔
oh damn he is gone
they simply must read this thread before the update comes out and rework him
ill be so upset if hes still mid
they already said there not gonna touch subaru
they already changed it what
just look earlier in the thread
well yeah that to
bro this thread has thousands of messages wdym 😭
when he pops his ability the buff he gives to other units goes from 10% to 20%
that's more than enough
he's better than haruka
they could make it 20% and change his ability to actually do something
his ability gives him more dmg and gives more dmg to others
🤷🏻
well they didn't want him to fully be better than haruka cause like she needs 6 waves to get up to max, so instead of that soburo needs upgrades
his ability just makes him reset to upgrade 0 they could keep the passives how they are and change the ability to one of the earlier suggested things
what i really care about is them changing the shiny subarus cosmetic
if at least that happens im happy
ill still always use him if he gets reworked or not but the cosmetic looks the exact same even though hes insanely rare
nah its got a glowing effect tho
idk if the normal has the glowing effect but on the wiki the actual unit has the glowing effect
so i assume the normal ones cosmetic does too
and even if the shiny does have a glowing effect on the cosmetic it barely looks different at all and imo they should still change it
for how rare he is barely changing the cosmetic at all is insane
kinda stupid that they made a shiny that's pretty much locked behind when trading drops
it def shouldve been a leaderboard and top leaderboard gets shiny but im not complaining
I wonder what WL LB will even give
maybe itll acc give shiny subaru who knows
yeah I kinda doubt it'll be another unit
cause then every worldlines is 2 units
which seems like a lot ngl
itd be kinda cool if top leaderboard got shiny but u have a small chance to get shiny from the portal anyways incase u arent able to get top lb
so i can see it
they should wait an update to do that though so shiny subaru has insane value in 20 years
Did poster get baned
ye
banned
it's that fbi guy
he got banned
(i think)
he said he was going to end someone if they didint rework subaru on stage chat
nah wut
This anime vanguards shit gets serious
This suggestion needs to stay declined
not every single unit is supposed to be good
ong I believe Subaru's fine as he is
Monarch Subaru
Ngl watch the passives the devs sneaked turns out to be “+x% of y when z happens” just even more specific and niche
Or im not familiar with their game and they gonn make some actual interesting units instead of “damage dealer no.2997” or “dps buffer no.14”
Bump
nah he's a support lol
he shouldn't be a DPS unit

and he gives the 80% money back and returns to upgrade 0 ??? CRAZY GOOD
Just to be 2% better than haruka rin btw
brpp whaa he's even better than a clearly support unit
y'all wanna buff everything
and say everything is mis
mid*
lol
Spending any amount whatsoever to get 2% better than a unit that has no extra costs besides placement is a sign that he is just garbage
he does damage?
and he works well with ragna
I'd like to mention that he requires investment to actually be worth it
and all other units
could be good in a long run
And he does not pull his own weight until u spend the money to get his 20% buff
only 1 subaru buffs per time so
That 2% is not helping anyone
meh
He needs atleast 7% buff more than haruka to be "good"
that doesn't change that he's a support even if he's bad
No matter how hard u try and convince me, he is buns, more buns that most mythics
what do you think about fubuki
don't know, used only haruka
Haruka, coz place and let her gain
used him only to buff ragna
is a long enough inf run
or some tourney where u get a lot of yen without farms
but thats it
so what do you think about fubuki?
Subaru is barely usable by himself
she's even worse right?
Extremely viable "support"
fubuki is for cc imo
😭
bro
i only use a lv 1 fubuki unevolved for the 50% portal buff
The spa reduction has no upgrade required and is basically a free booster to ur units
the 5% spa decrease is jst to support the addition of ragna LOL
^^ yh
and subaru too
outside of portals I don't think I've ever seen a single fubuki
meh ig every other unit in this update sucks expect rem
fibuki evo has a longass spa too
She serves better than him actually, since she provides her max buff on placement
at least
ragna and gogeta:
Emilia does it better
i mean
she does something more
like they would make her slow
or repuls
idk
why freeze
Emilia basically completely replaces Julius rn after his nerf
what was the julius nerf
He used to do same dmg as gojo, now he does 37k at max with all buffs
multi hit
mine is still the same ig?
julius has always had good dps for a support
I compared him myself
i've been using him for the boss rushes didnt see anything different
Both times I used solar, so discretion is advised
maybe he was shadow nerfed, no clue abt this
Yhea he was shadow nerfed, there is no mention of the nerf but it happened
Pre nerf he was doing 50k
Post nerf is 37k
Mainly cuz his usage is limited
Only ppl with monarch use him, and otherwise, he is still considered good enough
My solar Julius was hitting 36k
Emilia rn is doing 48k at max with blitz so it's worth pointing it out
Whata re you feeding your julius
yeap
It was during that one tourney
The water tourney
I think tourney 3
The shibuya one
He used to do 50k
oh damn
Which is why there was a high usage for julius during hat time
No he did not
Where did u use him where he did 50k
Steel ball run for the Diego grind when his update was dropped
There were complaints regarding julius doing as much dmg as gojo, so... I mean, clearly it happened
Clearly the devs noticed it tho
Julius was not nerfed once am sure
He only did because of toruna or other bugf
Buff
U can watch the showcase
I used him myself, in steel ball run and alot of the content before the fate update... And i can't really comment on tournament since I got basically no experience on that
He had buff in steel ball
40% more damage
To be precise, he did more dmg to the strong enemies, his stats did not change
His stats still showed 50k
Showcases are around 32k to 36k bro
Oh, maybe it was a bug?
It was not
That would explain why they didn't mention the nerf
There was never a nerf
Since he was doing extra dmg unintentionally
..he never did 50k
It was not
Steel ball run give 40% more damage
To water units
idt it showed on the stats tho
Idt? Means
Are y'all sure? Cuz I've been using him alot even on other stuff, and he used to reach 50k
I don't think
😭😭😭
Used to be my main unit before I got monarch Gilgamesh
Cause he was getting buff
I am leaning towards the idea that his dmg reaching 50k was unintentional, hence when it got fixed, his dmg went to it's actual amount
It was not a bug
The buff doesn't show on his stats
50.4
= 50k
What do you mean by that
And he was doing that on gamemodes besides str
I am 100 and 10% sure he did not u might have been bugged
If u would see his dmg, it would show the amount of dmg he did pre buff and post buff
There was an instance where Julius "broke" Due to bp being buggy, which is when the 50k was found
Happened around the time when the 2nd part of the bp dropped
Never heard of it it might have happend to you cause i never saw bug reportt so not sure
That's how I remember the thing
Nobody reported it since , besides Julius and the other guy, bp worked as intented
Bug basically allowed ppl to claim the units multiple times by bugging it out
But ruined some code consistently
Never heard of it
U wouldn't know it, if u didn't witness it
It was funny asf
He did, I'm sure if there is anyone who used him during that time, they can confirm it
Well people will comment if they did
Claiming him during the code breaking, just goofed up stuff
Sometimes it straight up lagged the game to 10 fps
Permanently
My friend struggled with it
yeah let’s just pretend that it doesn’t take her 6 waves to start buffing range and 6 waves to get to 18%
With no costs tho,
Haruka > Subaru due to cost-efficiency
Also +2% damage is nothing this ain’t Clash Royale
hes a support not a dps right
then just remove or replace the self buff of 50% upon ability use
it serves no purpose since his dps sucks even with the ability
haruka still wins bc of higher range buff compared to subaru
10% more range is better than 2% more dgm
18% without extra cost vs 60k to get 20%.the numbers don't favor subaru
Needs atleast 7% more than haruka for me to warrant using him. Tho I'm sure this would differ to others
my idea was smth like this
Return to Zero:
- Remove the 50% dmg buff on himself, what's the point of this when he does garbage damage even with it.
- Make it usable an infinite amount of times or until refund reaches 0, giving 10% extra dmg on the first use and 3% for each succeeding uses.
- Using Return to Zero each time would return Subaru to Upgrade 0 while refunding 80% of the money spent for the upgrade. Each succeeding use of the ability reduces the refund by 20% while doubling his upgrade cost. (The refund will only calculate the money spent for the FIRST upgrade before ever using the ability)
first ability cast -> 80% refund, 10% dmg
2nd ability cast -> 2x upgrade cost, 60% refund, 3% more dmg (repeat for subsequent casts)
Doubling the upgrade costs seems a bit much, but then again, I haven't done the calc yet for it
I think Subaru’s pretty balanced rn
the idea is that he shines better in infinite mode more than anywhere else
considering he buffs already upon placement
money shouldnt really be a cost in that mode anyway so double upgrade cost isn't that big of a problem
subaru doesn't just die once, so why does his ability only work once
I dont know why u guys think subaru sucks
Because its a replacement of hakura rin for those who dont have her
If u have hakura use that
Dont use subaru simple
and then what?
once trading comes
what will become of Subaru's value?
No one gonna trade there one and only hakura
Wdym then what?
what would Subaru's purpose be
Buffer for those who dont have hakura
he's not even permanent
He is easy to get
people can have 2 harukas
How?
shiny?
There no shiny
Only single hakura
She rare asf
And bot is banned so there not many people have it
And i dont think there was many alt account
esp when the game started
Do u have a alt?
i dont
the point is
once trading is added, subaru loses all purpose
And even if they got alt grinding 25 bp lvl was not easy
There was not enough info
hell there were bugs back then that made getting bp exp easier like the paragon thrice
well inf alr existed back then
There was not enough info
wdym not enough info
If u had seen the question
Chat
It was filled with these types of question
And i get that his ability is not that good and anime accurate
But he is not trash
he is trash
U got hakura thats why u think like thay
18% dmg + 18% range > 20% dmg + 8% range
and his 50% dmg buff passive is absolutely useless when he only has like 12k dps at monarch
Ohk for a moment forget that 18% damage and range doesnt exist in game
thats haruka's buff
Yes yes
Just imagine it doesnt exist
Will he be trash?
yes
So 20% damage buff ? And 8% range doesnt matter to you?
why is he a mix of a dps and a support?
Idk 🤷🏻♂️
thats what makes him trash
Just answer my question man
If there was no hakura will he be trash)
??
Yes
remove all dps, leave naruto as the remaining unit in game
will he just stop becoming trash?
🤔🤔it will not be game if there only 1 unit
🤔🤔yeah cause he the alone doing damage
I didn’t get fully what you mean by that
wdym you dont get what im saying
But buffer and dps are whole different things
im using ur argument in different form
🤔🤔but using that argument for a dps doesnt make sense
how so?
There can be many dps but in every game there is only few buffer
u argued that removing haruka, the only other buff unit aside from subaru, would mean subaru is not trash if he's the remaining one
im using that argument saying, if i remove all other dps in game and leave the worst dps, that means the remaining one is not trash
.
Ability part is bad i would agree with that
2% more dmg doesn't make a difference
So u want more?
hell, he was released being worse than harukka
They buffed it
Now u want more damage?
.?
whereas haruka rin, someone u used to get for passively playing and getting bp exp is nearly on a similar level
Tell me what would u like to see change in subaru other than ability cause i know its trash
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better haruka for 20 wave content and inf
not deep
also some people js not gonna bother with trading
he's hst another buffer
so it jst means that you'll get a total 38% dmg buff
it's not like it's saying "u can't use both subaru and haruka"
and subaru won't be tradable
he's a secret
nah he will be
they said anything that will be up for a limited time will be tradeable
but they said secrets won't be tradable
i dont think they realized they don't make every limited unit exclusive or higher
recent qna they said every unit that will go away will become tradeable
I will vouch for this guy i have 3 haruka rins
Honestly they should remove exclusive and change sum to mythic/secret cuz after that change it kinda servers no purpose and just acts like exotic from als
It actually was bugged for the duration of the first season, thrice always passed the bp exp aura to it's splits
It's worth noting that haruka isn't needed for most content rn, so if she didn't exist, subaru would still be garbage, since his contribution is not upto par to even cover his expense and limited bonuses
That's under the pretense that haruka and Subaru are ESSENTIAL for all content,
Which they are not, so he would end up worse, since the need to use buffs rn are basically 0
subaru is pretty good for support
he could do more lowkey
like maybe apply slow
I thought he was going to summon whatever boss you kill
is 3 a lot to you
yes bro
only croc applies slow tho 😭
croc and diavolo's ability
slow is so forgotten
freeze better
Haruka side
To make suburu good you need money
With money hes way better than haruka
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It’s declined
When money is limited I side with haruka, but long fights favor sabaru and i'm 100% using him in this co-op boss event if my allies have ragna
Dang i might be a prophet
U tripping if u don't think salters passives are unique
can u ss her passives
i dont have her
I only saw one of them and it was more or less the same as i said
“+x% of y when z happens” just very specific
Legit just dps increases
The slow was pretty unique tho icl
In full form she has 3 passives, but I lost the screenshot
2nd most interactive passive in this game other then ragna
lemme send a ss
Pretty cool
Prob the best passives ive seen so far from the gamep
Ya got sum for illya?
they did a good job but i still think they cooked harder for ragna
all of the passives this upd were actually pretty good
lemme send
They cooked
Illya my beloved
I was wrong i wasnt familiar with their games
Cant believe the old balance team were holding them back this much
Like dang this is some good stuff
lemme send sakura
she does not attack
enemies just get damaged if they walk in her range
Its just so peak
Unique concepts ✅
Good balancing(somewhat)✅
Banger VFX:✅
Icl this is one of the best upd in atd history
weird balancing for alter saber but its pretty good
fs better then A- .5 upd...
Bro i kid you not the event literally throw out a fast moving 3.3m hp enemy on wave 1
You literally can not win the event on release without unique
Ts was bum
check out esdeaths passives tho
pretty sure this majorly changes the meta for inf
Crazy level of cooking with this upd
They really were, I can agree to that
contrast between these units and aa ones are crazy
i think update 3 alr had some p cool passives
they deff upped it this time tho
basically a perfect mini update except MVP rewards
Like this update except the mvp reward would be perfect
Like 0 flaws typa stuff
No insane odds
No gacha
Well kinda
The -aa ones were bum like all they do is js attack
No special gimmick no active abilities no nothin
why is mvp rewards bad