Change Subaru's special ability. it sucks.

[violet path]

there is doubt but on the other hand this aint fair cuz this is a literally impossible portal

tried so much strats and i cant even do it

not even with monarch sukuna 😭

[whole pelican]

and me that doesn't even have a monarch

[violet path]

also i would try and submit a ticket but i cant rn cuz too much are being submitted 😔

in the support server

[whole pelican]

well

good for us, more ppl might be complaining abt it there

[violet path]

true

[sick cosmos]

BUmp

bump

bump

bump

bump

bump

bump

bump

bump

[granite flower]

Bump

[warm arch]

Like if you wanna make him a damage ability, give him a summon or some shit

[hot prism]

For real like it just dosent make sense why he only buffs himself, but Does absolute shit dmg

Lol what did i say wrong tho

[desert tide]

Upd is blacklisted

[hot prism]

Lol

[zealous folio]

ragna is cool imo he MIGHT just need a damage buff

havent seen his max potential cause its bugged

[foggy axle]

and he costs so much

I have golden on him

if I were to use him for damage and his own buff he would cost 108000

thats gilgamesh/ alucard territory

[hot prism]

Yeah he really needs a dmg buff or just a reworked cuz i think max my ragna will hit less dmg then my toji or my gojo and he has so much of. A worse aoe

[ancient delta]

How’s he bugged?

[zealous folio]

people say his first buff doesnt stack

[ancient delta]

Oh yikes

[hot prism]

Pretty sure his spa debuff dosent work properly either since his buffs dont actually carey over

Yeah he shoyld lowkey be able to be buffed waay above why is currently possible, which would deffo make him decent

[zealous folio]

thats how its suppose to work but it doesnt

[hot prism]

Yeah man i love bugs

[granite flower]

bump

[tulip cave]

bump

[granite flower]

devs when making subaru: "how can we possibly make this the most SHIT secret unit ever seen in ATDs"

so uninspired

[glad thicket]

this guy lowkey spitting fr

[warm arch]

ehh I'd say he's still better than Valentine

actual horrendous unit he is

[granite flower]

Bump

[granite flower]

Except subaru's power is much simpler to work with i think

We werent asking for that much

Idec bout dps, i just want it to be representative of their character

[granite flower]

Bump

[young lily]

fandom battle 😭 jjk fanboys vs rezero fanboys oh nawh

boruto no diffs both anyways

[tulip cave]

Bump

[tulip cave]

bump

[tepid latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255541150144532571/1320664122072895581/lv_0_20241223080027-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[hot prism]

i humbly apologise for any complaints i made about ragna, he is so broken

[granite flower]

fr

[devout leaf]

His ability should not be one time use

Since he returns by death multiple times

[foggy axle]

this ^

[violet path]

how does it even work if you can explain it lol

[granite flower]

he dies and goes back in time

[violet path]

cuz i saw a vid of him doing 300K damage but idk how

[granite flower]

oh you mean the game lmao

[violet path]

ye lol

[devout leaf]

If he dies, he rewinds to a "checkpoint" In time and keeps his memories of the previous ordeal

[violet path]

ohh

[devout leaf]

And he dies ALOT

[violet path]

🥶 🙏

[vernal isle]

wasnt it over 7m times?

[foggy axle]

subaru canonically to ppl who see him seems like a GOD to them cuz he fights everyone well and knows everything

[devout leaf]

Can be implemented by making him "die " From his ability which basically stores his dmg and when u place him next he will have that dmg retained + the upgrades

[vernal isle]

no, they see him as a crackhead who, will start tweaking then win

[foggy axle]

bro did not watch the whale arc, even reinhart compliments him

[devout leaf]

Do tell me if this needs tweaks or anything

[tough tundra]

ragna passive?

but with ability

[hot prism]

well it still makes no sense, with subaru he mainly plays to the strengths of the people around him, what could be cool would be if after returning by death, any enemy that walks into his aoe gets like a weakness status, or becomes more prone to damage from a certain element

[faint lagoon]

Wish ppl would read the ln novel. He got his rbd and his "support" which Factor that He got later on

So making him a buffer with sum damage is already. He mostly is a support unit no need to change anything atp

[granite flower]

???????

you are literally talking to a rezero fanatic

ive read plenty

subaru is a buffer and a debuffer

his ultimate debuff being the ultimate form of yin magic

aka calling upon satella

[tulip cave]

bump

[tulip cave]

depending on the arc he can still use shamac abilities

like blinding stun etc

[granite flower]

no like, what satella harnesses is basically yin

if we're being blunt about it

people are suffocated and mind broken by sinking into her shadow

[tulip cave]

ehhh

maybe an extreme amount of it

[granite flower]

though the shamak subaru uses is a much lesser form

a basic form

[warm arch]

If they wanted to buff his ability without completely changing it, they should buff his damage bonus to 100% and allow him to keep any buffs he had prior to using his ability, similar to how Ragna keeps buffs on placement.

[tulip cave]

what does subaru even do right now

buff damage right

[warm arch]

damage/range buff unit with awkward DPS

[tulip cave]

that's better than haruka atleast

[warm arch]

Nah not really

[granite flower]

haruka does more buffing

see my issue is

you place subaru, he does the 10% stuff

at the start of a match, these buffs mean almost nothing

they mean alot by the end, but haruka you dont need to upgrade or waste money on

subaru's use is for very niche purposes

[warm arch]

Also Subaru has pretty nice DPS on placement

[granite flower]

plus she does more team buffing by the end

[granite flower]

how many placements is he

[warm arch]

He's 3 placement

[granite flower]

is there any point to placing more than 1

[warm arch]

this is his placement stats at lvl 1

[tulip cave]

what % does he give on buffs at max

[warm arch]

ig if you want some more DPS while trying to feed Ragna, he's not bad

[granite flower]

wasnt it like 10% and 8%

[warm arch]

yeah

[granite flower]

he buffs others an extra 10% for a bit upon activation of someones ability

[tulip cave]

even a familiar does that much..

[granite flower]

just really underwhelming 💀

doesnt he have a shamak move @warm arch

[warm arch]

funny how I'm gonna use Subaru more than Valentine, Sukuna, and even Igris

[tulip cave]

im pretty sure he has the materialized shamac spikes

[granite flower]

naw thats Minya

they dont do the same thing

however i think they can do the same thing that Aizen's fragile effect can do

in Ax2

[granite flower]

sorry, they DONT do that, but they SHOULD

in the story they do that

wouldve been really cool if he got passive abilities to debuff enemies with some of his moves

[tulip cave]

still bummed out over the fact they didn't add otto as a money unit

[warm arch]

If I hadda rank Secret units for update 3, it'd be

1. Ragna
2. Alucard
3. Gojo
4. Subaru
5. Igris
6. Valentine

[granite flower]

that didnt even cross my mind

[granite flower]

igris that low?

[warm arch]

Rem & Ram absolutely murdered the shit outta him

[granite flower]

oh i see

[warm arch]

the price to performance on the former is crazy

[tulip cave]

and his ability would be to take the enemy leaks into a dragon carriage and carry them over to the start

[warm arch]

Like it costs 144K to get 4 of Rem to her second to last upgrade

[granite flower]

bros cooking too hard

[tulip cave]

first monarch was rem

and i find out she's 4 placement upon evolution

like man

[warm arch]

Her full-AOE is nuts

[tulip cave]

she's actually really good

120k per 3 seconds is insane

more dps than monarch gojo

[warm arch]

Like I can see myself bringing her in a Ragna team for crowd control

[tulip cave]

also did the modeler take subaru's design idea from season 2

what is that face man

oh my god the shiny is gluttony if

[warm arch]

If there's one bad thing about Ragna is that he's got small circle-AOE

[tulip cave]

if they're gonna buff subaru they're probably just gonna increase the rbd cap to 3

so he can actually deal some damage

[warm arch]

@tulip cave this is what I suggested for a buff

[tulip cave]

lmao

[warm arch]

lowkey I'd nerf Gogeta

[tulip cave]

why

[warm arch]

because he breaks this games balancing

[tulip cave]

i mean ragnaw isn't even a vanguard and look at his damage

[warm arch]

I'd make it so you can't roll monarch on him, he pretty much has monarch DPS

[tulip cave]

is there a gogeta shiny?

[warm arch]

yeah and its mid

[tulip cave]

what is it

[tulip cave]

im pretty sure monarch is his worse trait

since u need to replace him to get the buffs

[warm arch]

Monarch Gogeta allows him to deal over 100K DPS

[tulip cave]

oh u were talking about gogeta

[warm arch]

I'd make it so it's impossible to roll Monarch on one-placement units

[tulip cave]

isn't he 2 placement

[warm arch]

nah he's 1 iirc

[tulip cave]

i doubt he's 1

oh my god it is

[warm arch]

yeah and it's why I believe monarch should be impossible to roll on him, as well as any one placement unit

[granite flower]

?

Thats his actual design

[fading goblet]

I think the active ability is fine on its own, but the buff it gives to subaru is horrible.
Since subaru is a buffer, heres what i think:
IMO, it should buff what buffs, so instead of buffing his own damge by 50% when he uses return to zero, itll buff his buffs. So his 10% dmg at base will go to a 15-20% buff, and the 8% range buff with will go to a 10-15 buff. Similarly, when a unit uses an active ability, the 2% range will go to a 4% range buff, and the 10% dmg buff will go to a 15% dmg buff for 10 seconds. This would make subaru a much better buffer in total, and imo just makes sense 👍

[granite flower]

gameplay wise i'd probably agree, but i also want them to make a cool visual effect for his special ability

or it would feel kinda boring showcase-wise

[fading goblet]

maybe just the visual effect for the ability? 🤔

[granite flower]

they could do that. I just need something to spice this man up a bit 😭

[fading goblet]

@signal elm opinion on this? 🤔

[signal elm]

was balanced around the stats it has

[fading goblet]

👍

[marble crescent]

bros so ass 😭 ✌️

[foggy axle]

1.2 damage buff is nice

but not enough

[marble crescent]

ragna most op unit in the game and washedbaru is horrid

love it

[marble crescent]

just give him more damage man wtf is this 😭 😭

[hot prism]

is that shiny??

[marble crescent]

yeah

[marble crescent]

looks cool

unfortunately the cosmetic only ads golden particles dk why

and the animation on it isnt looped

[hot prism]

that looks hella coool

[marble crescent]

cosmetic only ads golden particles

[hot prism]

I see

[granite flower]

Ts kills me

1.2 😭

[polar current]

its insane

for ragna

i managed to get 104k dps

[gleaming zinc]

portals

[granite flower]

This reminds me of that news article where a woman won a jackpot but the casino said it was malfunctioning so they offered her a single steak dinner

[granite flower]

Just give him the ability he deserves

He can keep the 1.2

[polar current]

portals amplifies the dmg applied not the stat

[gleaming zinc]

he does way less dmg to me outside of portals

[polar current]

he does but stats are the same

on him

in portals its double with max

this or you are not buffing properly

[polar current]

i lost all hope for devs to actually cook it

[granite flower]

💔

[granite flower]

Isnt he still worse than haruka rin

I mean prob not while the ability passive is active

But like generally yes

[polar current]

he still is

haruka does allat upgrade 0

[granite flower]

😭😭😭

[polar current]

for subaru u need to max him

[granite flower]

Jesus

[vernal isle]

he's a buffer

[marble crescent]

yeah so if he's a buffer why is his ability a 50% buff to his own damage

just go full buff atp

[vernal isle]

well to be fair

[marble crescent]

hes worse then monarch vegeta (4 placement, mythic unit not secret, banner unit not locked behind hours of gameplay and a difficult portal)

[vernal isle]

using his ability also adds an additional 10% to others around him

[marble crescent]

(update 0 unit, not upd 3)

[vernal isle]

so its 20% total

[marble crescent]

shes 4 placement and freeze so a support too

and shes almost doing as much damage as him

not to mention that subaru cant be buffed by haruka for whatever reason

[vernal isle]

He’s not meant to do damage to begin with

His whole purpose is being a replacement haruka with the ability to do a tiny bit of damage

[marble crescent]

brother

they should not have this

if hes not supposed to do damage

[vernal isle]

That part of the ability is crap, which is why they literally buffed it

[granite flower]

They could just change the ability

Its not difficult to make it good

They just dont want to

[marble crescent]

its still ass

[granite flower]

1.2 still way worse than rin

[marble crescent]

is the reason that haruka doesnt buff him that his own buff overrides it?

[granite flower]

It also costs alot

[vernal isle]

20% damage buff and 8% range aint ass if you’re playing with a group of people

[marble crescent]

so wait rin and him dont double buff

they are mutually exclusive?

[granite flower]

20% dmg buff is only during an ability usage

[vernal isle]

Hold up what was his first passive?

[granite flower]

Yes

The first passive is 10% dmg 8% rng

Or something like that

[granite flower]

1.2 still worse than rin

[marble crescent]

he perm buffs for 1.2 more

[granite flower]

You need to max bro out to be better than rin

[marble crescent]

its still trash

hes not good

hes getting outclassed by release units that are 4 placement

compare him to ragna LOL

[granite flower]

What does "every upgrade increases range by 2%" mean

For himself?

Or others

I hope it means others

[marble crescent]

think others

and himself

[vernal isle]

Dawg ragna is gonna get hard nerfed soon, yall know that right?

[granite flower]

They give gojo his void ability and subaru be getting this

[marble crescent]

they alr nerfed him

[granite flower]

[marble crescent]

and ragna being stupid op isnt the point in what I said

release units that r 4 placement not 3 are better than he is with monarch

[granite flower]

They lowkey hate subaru

[vernal isle]

Good

Its update 3, we don’t need units like him being that broken this early

[granite flower]

I mean i dont think dmg inflation is really an issue

Itll happen eventually

Its a given

[marble crescent]

yeah, and in that same sentiment units shouldnt be so much worse then previous ones

gojo is still easily the best unit with monarch

just because they havent released a final upg full aoe since upd 1

[granite flower]

Subaru is gonna get out-meta'd by the next support they release

[marble crescent]

• hes immune against stun

[marble crescent]

^^^

for a unit as hard to obtain as him he is just not good whatsoever idk why ur trying to cope and say he is

[vernal isle]

It shouldn’t have happened with an event unit

Because now people are gonna complain that the game is too easy, but its only easy because they have a broken unit that you cant get in the future

[marble crescent]

they couldve made him immune against ailments after using rbd

would already help his kit a lot

and then just increase his base damage at least a little bit so hes not hard capped at 17k with monarch

[granite flower]

To be fair itll be the same as what all games go through

Strong character released -> stages made harder -> newer meta units released -> cycle continues

They just need to take notes from awtd

Subaru was meta till Kurumi came out with her superior base rewind ability

🦘

Or just release a lot of units at once

[marble crescent]

subaru is so bad just increase his damage scaling bro 😭

[violet cliff]

I’ve never seen people complain about a support not doing good damage before

Ridiculous

The original suggestion was to buff his active (which they did), and now we’re changing it to “he sucks overall so buff his damage”?

[granite flower]

Then they shouldnt have made him do damage

Simple

[granite flower]

We never said BUFF HIS ACTIVE WHAT THE FUCK

can you not read?

[violet cliff]

“Change Subaru’s special ability. It sucks.” That’s the title

[granite flower]

This dude is illiterate

[marble crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-boruto-uchiha-gif-26104452

[granite flower]

Didnt even read the description

Fucking moron

[violet cliff]

Why are you going nuclear. Jesus Christ.

[granite flower]

Because you cant READ

😭

[marble crescent]

10/10 ragebait

[granite flower]

Even a child can read

Are you telling me youre below a child

In literacy

[violet cliff]

Not that deep I js woke up. Don’t have time for this

[granite flower]

[violet cliff]

Devs will likely decline this anyways

[granite flower]

Then the game would be cooked

[ancient delta]

it already has been declined

subaru ability is worse than haruka's but its still can be used in tandem with her ig

[granite flower]

Well if 1.2x is 20% then it might be better than haruka now

[ancient delta]

1.2x is 20%

haruka is only slightly better cause she does it all on placement

[granite flower]

Yes i thought that 1.2 meant multiplied by the 10%

Originally

[granite flower]

Yeah

[glad thicket]

damn

they denied this

[violet cliff]

I concede that haruka is better early on.

By the time sabaru Ramps up and contributes significant chip damage, the fight is over (unless doing raids, portals, or infinite.)

Not like it’s a major problem. If you run ragna, you’ll have to take both haruka and sabaru anyways lol

[glad thicket]

so Subaru is just a story unit?

[granite flower]

Subaru is better for infinite mode

[ancient delta]

mostly raids/inf

[violet cliff]

Infinite/Portal/Raids

The number of haruka havers is dwindling since she’s an unob 1.0 unit, so I see nothing wrong with him being her replacement. Even if only slightly worse

[granite flower]

Only because you have a fuckton of money and nothing left to do

Otherwise its usually not worth spending money on subaru

So youd rather use haruka for most shorter gamemodes

[glad thicket]

i'm a haruka AND miku skin haver

[warm arch]

Meh Ragna interactions become even more wacky

Lowkey Fortune may actually not be a bad idea to roll on him

[granite flower]

Fuck you for having shiny

Also where his eyes at

[glad thicket]

I think it's just low detail mode

[devout leaf]

Brother, he is NOT replacing haruka rin

[ancient delta]

its for those who did not get rin

hes comparable

[devout leaf]

No... Haruka doing her best without needing upgrade, while subaru needs to be maxed once atleast to utilize his "buff"

Cost-return value is almost nothing

[ancient delta]

hes better in inf/raids, and if you don't have rin then u have a buffer now

[devout leaf]

It's good for those who don't have him, but incentives to use him is negligible

For those who have haruka that is

Alot of investment for a somewhat better buff

[ancient delta]

you can also just use them both together...

[devout leaf]

Bare in mind, buffers are NOT necessarily needed at the current time

[devout leaf]

Not worth wasting a slot for it

[granite flower]

Subaru is way better for inf

Because you have too much money to spend

[ancient delta]

for ragna

• having multiple teammates

[tough tundra]

lb runs

[ancient delta]

• subarus buff is arguably better then rins

[devout leaf]

Return on investment...

[ancient delta]

to much money to spend on gamemdoes with 20 waves anyways

or god forbid inf

[granite flower]

Again it depends on the cost

[devout leaf]

For what he does, I'd say it's not necessary

[granite flower]

How much yen you have in the match decides on if subaru is useful

[devout leaf]

Too high cost for what his worth is

[ancient delta]

every 15 wave stage with low yen can be soloed by vegeta

[granite flower]

Because spending money on him dont mean shit if you cant get a 60k dmg increase on your monarch gil

With a single upgrade

Get what im saying

[tough tundra]

real actually

[granite flower]

Subaru has to be upgraded last

[devout leaf]

By that time, most likely ur set for the match

No additional stuff needed

Ik I'm not talking from an competitive stand point, but, for what we had to do to get him, he sucks....

Considering everything so far, he kinda needs a buff of sorts

Either a 15% buff on placement and only gives spa buff instead of dmg buff increase

[granite flower]

How hard is it to get the units to engage with the map more

I dont get why people say its too early for a map reset or base reset type unit

Like when is it not too early??

[devout leaf]

Like after using return by death, he could reduce the spa of units in range, or follow the anime and just does a universal reset (probably an actually worthwhile ability to bring)

[devout leaf]

This idea would literally be peak AND accurate to the manga, he returns to a point in time before tragedy (what could be a tragedy in a tower defence game? That's right, losing)

[marble crescent]

low detail

[brisk cloud]

Unbalanced feature

Never cook again

[west orchid]

i mean wdym reset base

[devout leaf]

Wdym, it's an original idea and let's me honest, fits his anime counterpart quite well

[west orchid]

if it was resetting the stocks it would be bad

[devout leaf]

No just goes back to when the enemies were at the start

[west orchid]

maybe if it was a map wide reset with like 50% refund

[devout leaf]

Sends all enemies back to start

Instantly

Downside- enemies have the hp restored

Basically a chance to correct or fix any chance of losing, can be high cool down to fit this

Like a last ditch attempt

[zealous folio]

was the subaru buff 10% More to his first buff to make it 1.2x or did they add 20% to the first passive

for a total of 1.3

[ancient delta]

It’s 20% instead of 10% when using ability

[ancient delta]

Wish Subaru was like awtd

😔

[devout leaf]

So, let me get this straight... Fully max out subaru, use ability and only then he becomes a worthwhile support?

[ancient delta]

Yeah…

That’s why he’s only good for inf/raid

[devout leaf]

Buddy no one is doing those rn

Bedsides the idea is lazy

His gimmick, if we can call it that, is that he comes back from the dead at a checkpoint

Why is the ability unrelated to that

[ancient delta]

Should have done it like awtd and made him a goated support

[devout leaf]

His ability should work like a time reset

[ancient delta]

When dying rewinds back 3 waves allowing you to get ability cd back and more score

Etc

[devout leaf]

Yhea

[ancient delta]

Only good with its score system tho

Av only has highest dmg

[devout leaf]

Could be viable if ur struggling with a wave tho

[ancient delta]

Yeah that too

[devout leaf]

Basically a reset to let u build up and win

[ancient delta]

No but we have current Subaru

Reset to upgrade 0 and guves 50% more dmg to himself

At least they made it so he buffs more after

[devout leaf]

Should be an ability tho (unseen hands as a name would make sense since the hands nearly killed him every time he used em)

[devout leaf]

The return on investment is the entire issue with his kit

U spend idk how many hours to get the unit, then also he is only usable after minmaxxing basically everything

Just to get mid output

Can we all agree he needs an ability rework or what?

[ancient delta]

Well yeah but its already been declined

[devout leaf]

They declined portals too... They still added it

If the community persistent enough, they will do it

[ancient delta]

Those were old planners

Well it’s not impossible

[devout leaf]

Glad to see we can look eye to eye

This update is a step in the right direction

Just needs alot of proof checks and ALOT of balancing

[faint lagoon]

????? yk i am talking about rbd AND Cor Leonis

[granite flower]

Yes and im saying whats the point of him buffing himself if hes not meant to be dps

It seems like both ends were half assed

[mortal granite]

What the fuck FBI made this thread

[mortal granite]

It's js for inf

Ability got buffed so it's used in progressive too now but still

[wicked drum]

@signal elm Do you think that his 3rd passive should get a rework or nah

[cedar snow]

Even in inf its horrible? You can only use it once yk.

[granite flower]

Why are you asking the guy with the bad takes

[wicked drum]

He does have good takes tbh

[granite flower]

Naw not for this

[wicked drum]

I had an idea

But it will make the passive broken

[tepid latch]

give

[wicked drum]

Make Subaru reset the [ability] cd of the units in range when he use it 😈

[granite flower]

See even thats a better idea

[violet cliff]

He outdoes haruka in inf mode. Sure you can only use it once, but the 20% damage boost to everyone in range is permanent for that round

[cedar snow]

oh your talking about the buff to others. I thought u were talking about his self buff XD

[mortal granite]

his buffing is rly good now

the ability is p fun to use

if you manage to save up 60k you get 80% cashback and you get a better haruka

its cool

but i was saying that

before the buff

you basically js used it for inf

but now he is better than haruka at everything if you save up the cash

and esp for inf

its cool

hes nice now

[chilly nimbus]

What made him better?

[mortal granite]

when you use return to zero he buffs 20%

[chilly nimbus]

He buff 20% himself or others

[mortal granite]

others

[chilly nimbus]

Yo what

[mortal granite]

ye he is rly good

he was rly good before but

idk people complained still

[chilly nimbus]

Thats Op ash

[dire egret]

wait so

subaru now buffs OTHER units in his range now

if u use his thing

?

[mortal granite]

basically his first passive gets buffed

it goes from 10% dmg to 20% dmg

[dire egret]

oh

huh

[mortal granite]

its not updated

go test it out

[dire egret]

o

interesting

so its a better haruka now?

[mortal granite]

if you afford it yes

you need to sink 60k but you get back 48k

[chilly nimbus]

So monarch his best trait now

[mortal granite]

nah

eth is better if you js want dps but

you can js run blitz its fine

range buffing kinda sucks on him he has rly good range even on placement

[chilly nimbus]

Thats why monarch

Ethereal is too costy

[dire egret]

Im happy with my marksman

I'm never gonna use ts to do dmg

[chilly nimbus]

Me with range 3

[dire egret]

stil works

color matches

ima try this out

in boss rush

if hes better than haruka

[mortal granite]

he can't self buff on monarch

you usually upgrade him for dps on inf modes so i think eth does better

monarch would be a decent earlygame defender on progressive tho

till you get to return to zero

[dire egret]

yeah eth better

esp inf

[granite flower]

Why cant u self buff on monarch

Isnt he supposed to be unsellable

And hes just supposed to go back to upgr0

[mortal granite]

not the ability

the

support

first passive

[granite flower]

?

[mortal granite]

you need another subaru

[granite flower]

Wait im confused

[mortal granite]

wait

[granite flower]

Oh

[mortal granite]

@granite flower this

[granite flower]

Do you mean to buff subaru with another subaru?

[mortal granite]

he doesn't apply this to himself

yes

[granite flower]

Isnt that how it works for all supports?

Rin cant buff herself can she?

[mortal granite]

im not saying it is a bug

im saying he can't do that on monarch

[granite flower]

I see

Meh its ok 10% aint gonna help him when he has a 300% buff

[mortal granite]

i mean

its p huge

cuz monarch 300% doesn't work like damage buffs

its a base multiplier

so the 10% also gets quad effective

[granite flower]

Ah

I see

[dire egret]

rin doesnt dmg

kinda a different scenario

this guy can do smt

[foggy axle]

is this supposed to work

[dire egret]

huh

its not 1.2x for me

still bugged?

[vernal isle]

Its been declined we can stop it now

[vernal isle]

You gotta use return by death first

[dire egret]

oh

[foggy axle]

declined

hell nah

YOU MADE ME WORK FOR HOURS MAKE MY UNIT GOOD

[mortal granite]

how do yalls check if smth is declined

oh there

lol

i mean it got buffed

so didn't rly get declined

[mortal granite]

he's good alr bro

[warm arch]

I mean Subaru’s better than Igris and way better than Valentine

[foggy axle]

no

[foggy axle]

no.

[mortal granite]

my left nut is better than valentine but yeah

[foggy axle]

a whole new unit your comparing it to old ass units

thats how bad it is

[foggy axle]

"least he better than naruto (sage)"

[warm arch]

Like Subaru’s (and even Haruka’s) interaction with Ragna doesn’t give him a lot of DPS

That’s why I got Fubuki at near the top of Meta Support

[foggy axle]

he needs to be a better support imo

the first passive baits you into thinking he will be used for support

then they just completely waste his potential by making him a dps

even the buff they gave when he gets 10% extra buff when he resets is MID

just use haruka atp

[warm arch]

At that point just max out Rem and Ram

[foggy axle]

ye

[warm arch]

Costs 36K to get her to her second to last upgrade

[mortal granite]

better buff than haruka

"js use haruka"

bro u gotta be baiting

wym the first passive baits you into thinking he is a support

he literally is

the passive alone makes him one

[foggy axle]

haruka gives 18% dmg buff and 10% RNG buff for no cost

you'd be getting a 2% increase from that for an insane cost

[mortal granite]

subaru gives 10% 8% rng for no cost

[foggy axle]

when you could focus on better dps units

[mortal granite]

then gets 20% with 12k cost

and then is upgradable into a unit that does damage

[foggy axle]

you say better buff than haruka

[mortal granite]

yes cuz he gets better buffing

[foggy axle]

no

you just listed downgrades

[mortal granite]

also his dps isn't even bad he is on like 60 range without any range traits and a good circle with multihit

[foggy axle]

hes prolly better than haruka in how easy it is to get the buff but thats it

[mortal granite]

so his dps niche is actually good

[mortal granite]

12k cost is nothing esp if youre on

portals boss rush inf

aka all the relevant content

barely anything works on low cash gain

[foggy axle]

he doesnt cost 12k

[mortal granite]

60k with 48k cashback

you get the buff after that on the unit permanently

[foggy axle]

thats horrible still

cost you 60k

thats time wasted

farming

[mortal granite]

??

you can just farm then spend the cash

subaru still buffs on placement

ur not going through those rounds with no amp

[devout leaf]

He costs a bunch tho, to get the aforementioned 20% buff, haruka just needs time

[foggy axle]

thats what im saying

[mortal granite]

read above

[devout leaf]

Haruka is better cuz u can just pop her down, and the buff is building up, no need for interference

[torpid tangle]

Stop wasting time here

[devout leaf]

They declined many ideas, but that hasn't proven that they won't do it... Look at portals for crying out loud

[torpid tangle]

portals already planned

not reject

[devout leaf]

when ppl asked if portals were coming, they said and i quote "no we do not have the intention to add portals"

Then they did it anyways

So chances are not impossible

[mortal granite]

that was js to not spoil prob

subaru is actually a good unit that already got buffed

he wasn't even bad before

js a worse haruka w more range

and some dps

then they made him a better haruka

[foggy axle]

by 2% and you gotta spend money for that

[mortal granite]

and for a dps unit

and the money ur spending is 12k

[devout leaf]

12k for a 2% difference between him and haruka... Yhea that's not worth it

[mortal granite]

.

[devout leaf]

Almost forgot haruka gives 18% for a sec

[mortal granite]

12k is literally no cash my guy

unless youre on

story mode cash gain

then yeah sure

but otherwise

it is not that deep

pretty much every piece of recent content has the same cash generation as inf

[foggy axle]

WHY ARENT YOU COMPREHENDING ANYTHING

[devout leaf]

Oh yhea, the gamemodes where having one slot as a crutch who needs investment for a mildly optimal useage is basically nonexistent

[foggy axle]

"it costs 12k" ITS TOO TEDIOUS FOR A MINOR BUFF

[mortal granite]

how is it tedious

to click the upgrade button

yalls are complaining abt air

[devout leaf]

It's inefficient

[mortal granite]

it literally isnt

[devout leaf]

The buff is to minor to be valuable

[mortal granite]

the money you spend is also miniscule

[devout leaf]

Missing out on 2% is smthng that most ppl wouldn't go out of ur way to get

[devout leaf]

2% is an abysmal amount

I would understand if it was like a 7% difference between him and haruka

But 2% ?????

Must be crazy

[mortal granite]

then haruka would be strictly worse

there needs to be a tradeoff or else people js complain about her getting crept

the tradeoff is like

nothing

thats why hes good

like the only hurdle is

saving up 60k

but you get most of it back once you do

[devout leaf]

The tradeoff is wasting money on a unit who can't hold his own, rather than pouring it into an actually good unit

[mortal granite]

he can hold his own tho

also u can js spend the cash in a burst

[devout leaf]

And by the time u end up getting his buff, he isn't even needed anymore

[mortal granite]

if u dont like his upgrade tree

[devout leaf]

He is not holding his own on any of the gamemodes u just mentioned

[mortal granite]

bro thinks im not playing the game or sum

[devout leaf]

The only area he is "holding his own" Is ironically story and we both know vegeta and lancer do a better job at that

[devout leaf]

U can argue that he holds his own, only if u have monarch on him, and even then, he struggles

To be relevant among the others

[violet cliff]

Sabaru is Better than haruka in:

• Raids
• infinite
• Boss events
• Portals

Haruka is good for wrapping up short fights (story, challenge, maybe paragon)

But when you have a lot of waves and excess cash, sabaru’s chip damage isn’t something you can just toss aside

[devout leaf]

Gamemodes where, he is the last priority and will probably not get, got it

Gotta realize that he needs some sort of buff atp

[mortal granite]

you gotta realize that you gotta play the game bro

[devout leaf]

Funnily enough I'm playing rn

[mortal granite]

if you think youre not getting subaru in these modes ur either playing like shit or ur not playing enough

[violet cliff]

You realize he refunds the cash you invested in him right

[devout leaf]

As I said, last priority

[violet cliff]

I get him maxed by wave 11

At the latest

[devout leaf]

Thumbs up for u mate, but he is not relevant to be "usable" Rn

His buff is, merely an upgrade of Haruka, a pure support, who most ppl will not use anyways since it's inefficient for most bits, except for the early stalling with ur sub dps

Haruka is used in basically, only tournament

[sterile sandal]

Whats the point of the 3rd passive bro 💀

[devout leaf]

And she is relevant only cuz no investment needed for it

[violet cliff]

They haven’t updated the description yet- but the 3rd passive now buffs the first passive, so sabaru will increase everyone else’s damage by 20% instead of 10%

[devout leaf]

While subaru needs to get investment to get his buff set up

[sterile sandal]

Wdym

[devout leaf]

Which basically would work only to replace Haruka, if there weren't greater things to focus on

Haruka is place and leave alone, subaru is pour 60-65k (I'm not entirely sure this is the right amount cuz I didn't count) to be a better Haruka...

[sterile sandal]

Suburu buffs stack on each other?

[devout leaf]

By only 2% btw

Doesn't matter if ur getting a refund, if there are units that can utilize the money better

Refund is Only AFTER the ability is activated

What u gonna do until then?

[mortal granite]

bro do u gen play the game

do u realize how easy it is to get that cash on like

every content rn

and just get the cahback afterwards

[devout leaf]

Either make him cheaper to upgrade or make his buff mote significant

[mortal granite]

u acting like 60k is actually some insane amount of currency that is unobtainable

[devout leaf]

Oh yhea did I mention the incentives to bring him is basically 0 ?

[mortal granite]

when in reality it comes easy and it gives you back 80% of it

[devout leaf]

80% only AFTER the ability

May wanna read the fine text

An ability which, costs 60k to reach

[violet cliff]

Again, Sabaru > Haruka for long fights (tournament, inf, raids, boss events, portals) because-

• You HAVE the cash. It’s not scarce in those modes at all and I’m not sure why u think it is.

• He contributes to boss damage, something haruka can’t do, leading to quicker clears and higher scores in tournaments

• More range. He can buff FAR MORE units than haruka ever can at once

[cedar snow]

Honestly Subaru's current balancing is fine

[mortal granite]

"it comes easy"

[devout leaf]

The only long gamemode buffers are relevant is tournament and inf.

[cedar snow]

he isn't going to be better than hakura rin in shorter forms of content where your not making an insane amount of money, but he is better in longer forms or when you get a lot of money

[mortal granite]

im acknowledging it

and im saying it isn't nearly as big of a deal as u make it out to be

esp when you js get most of the cash back

[devout leaf]

Alotta money ain't solving the part where Haruka does almost the same as him without costing a dime, which can allow to pour money into more useful units

The most effective use of him would be after maxing out ur main units, and by that time, the main challenge is already over

U get what I'm saying?

[cedar snow]

you get most of your money back after using the ability. Sure it might be an investment, but you get a better buff ontop of him being relatively cheap if your able to actually get him to the ability

he isn't good in shorter modes where you aren't making as much because its more of an investment that honestly isn't always worth it, compared to rin who is little investment.

[devout leaf]

"Better buff" Buddy it's 2%

In terms of cheap, Haruka gives 18% without any cost besides placement

[cedar snow]

Most effective use of him would be maxing him BEFORE getting your main units up so you get the money back to spend on your main units

and he does enough dmg so that in most content he can defend till you get the ability up on his own

[devout leaf]

Using that on tournament and inf, where he is relevant as a buffer is not gonna help u mate, unless u got monarch on that shi

The return on investment is basically none

[cedar snow]

Maybe not alone, but with other base placement units and support he definitely can

[devout leaf]

Oh so, u need more investment to make him fight on same ground as Haruka???

Just put the fries in the bag

[cedar snow]

not same ground? he gives a slightly better buff and actually does dmg unlike hakura. Hakura is easier to use but slightly worse than Subaru rn

[devout leaf]

Most mythics can hold down the fort by themselves much better than him

[warm arch]

lowkey Subaru and Haruka don't do much for Ragna aside from giving him more range

[cedar snow]

😭?

[mortal granite]

nah the buff gets amplified

[cedar snow]

he gets 152% extra dmg from them both

[mortal granite]

it does nothing after like

he is maxed out on placement

then its dogshit

[devout leaf]

May wanna add, garbage dmg, requires focus and gives basically nothing (sorry mate 2% is not worth it)

[mortal granite]

ur a brick wall bro

go play the game

😭

[cedar snow]

He doesn't do garbage dmg. Its not great, but it isn't unusable lmao

[devout leaf]

Just speaking statistically

[mortal granite]

just speak from experience

[devout leaf]

I don't need a PHD to know that a basically free unit, is squaring up to something the costs smth to get a better buff

[mortal granite]

with the shit you saying it seems like you do bro

[devout leaf]

Not even better, it's insignificant

[mortal granite]

im not telling you to fucking have a Harvard degree

[warm arch]

not enough to justify using two slots for buffers

[mortal granite]

im telling you to play the game and realize that shit is not worth

[devout leaf]

He needs to atleast gives 7% more than Haruka to actually have an incentive to get

[mortal granite]

i just bring two tbh third buffer is for multiple people

then someone can bring the third buffer

[cedar snow]

that doesn't seem right. He should be getting literally 152% (2.52x) dmg from the buffers

[warm arch]

legit just bring Fubuki since she actually gives a nice amount of DPS

[mortal granite]

ye fubuki is js goated

[devout leaf]

Thank you for the point

[mortal granite]

diminishing returns

[cedar snow]

o

[devout leaf]

Been looking for ragna ethereal dmg

[mortal granite]

that post has nothing to do with the shit you spewing bro

also what is

this from

no buffs?

[warm arch]

Haruka and Subaru only contribute 40%/72% to Ragna's like 1000%+ damage modifier?

[mortal granite]

also do the

showcase outside portals

[warm arch]

it's half of what you see

[mortal granite]

ragna gets the amplification from skins to his stats its kinda dumn

i think its a little over that

[warm arch]

Like 105K DPS is like 52.5K DPS

[mortal granite]

@warm arch

[warm arch]

That's w/o buffs

[cedar snow]

wait how r u getting 1000%? In normal modes im only ever getting like about ~500% with buffs

[devout leaf]

Haruka is basically the user-friendly buffer, with no demands for the buff. Gives 18% and 10% range
Subaru needs I believe 60k to get his ability up and running and, sure u get a refund on most of ur money, but dang, it's basically saying Haruka is worth almost 60k cash investment

[warm arch]

Top left's w/o any buffs, Top right's with only Fubuki, Bottom left's Fubuki & Subaru, and Bottom right's Fubuki & Haruka

[mortal granite]

makes sense

[warm arch]

tbh I'd rather just gamble on Padoru giving him damage/range buffs

[mortal granite]

haruka and subaru is good cuz of the range cuz ragna range is fucking garbage

[warm arch]

you'll probably get more out of their range bonuses tbh

[devout leaf]

If any can provide me with pic of a shiny subaru that would be nice

[cedar snow]

are u doing that in portals or smth?

[warm arch]

Yeah it's all portals

[cedar snow]

o

cuz in portals he gets a higher dmg multiplier on his self buff right?

[warm arch]

Todo's also a pretty solid unit to bring with Ragna if you want like infinite range

[devout leaf]

Yhea ragna is 4 placement , no? So that's 4x 18% dmg and 10% range from Haruka and 4x 20% and 20% range? From subaru?

Pretty good if u ask me

[warm arch]

Yeah you'll get to like 50 range with him.

I'd rather have Todo on my team tbh

[devout leaf]

Considering all the buffs and benefit he is worth the cash stuff too

I really wish they buff subaru ong

[mortal granite]

this i slike

visual btw

kinda

[devout leaf]

The current buff needs more

[mortal granite]

its basically just the damage hed do with the portal multiplier

so he doesn't do

80k dps x2 cuz of the buff

he js does 80k dps

[devout leaf]

Can i ask? Is Ragna multihit on any upgrade?

Genuinely puzzled

[cedar snow]

placement and final attack are multihits

[warm arch]

Ragna's a multihit on max upgrade

[devout leaf]

Oh yhea he is way better than his expenses

[mortal granite]

now we pushing it..

[warm arch]

you legit get infinite range with him. DPS is not an issue with Ragna

Also Todo's dirt cheap and doesn't require an evo

[cedar snow]

maxed out ragna with Z Z and Z+ in sandbox btw

no buffs

[warm arch]

did you allow him to stack his first passive?

nvm this ain't portals

[mortal granite]

thats why im shilling solar with him

but yeah ig but like

if u running

ragna and 2 buffers

u have alot of cash to spare

depending on the unit you could js run another dps

[warm arch]

Like Rem & Ram 😄

[mortal granite]

exactly

rem and ran nation

[warm arch]

hot take, I believe they're better DPS units than Saber

mainly due to how cheap they are to max out

[mortal granite]

im biased cuz monarch saber but

non monarch i can see it kinda

i think having a 900% nuke on local cd is just nuts tho

[cedar snow]

same thing as YungBreezyy's screenshots just outside of portals

Z Z Z+ btw

[warm arch]

Z+ Kanji Z+ stats

[cedar snow]

all buffs

all the buffers together DOUBLE his dps

compared to if you just bring one

i feel like thats pretty worth it

He is doing as much dps as 2 good monarchs and some more

[warm arch]

I feel like bringing two buffers will be the most realistic way to use him

[cedar snow]

lemme test that rq

cuz what i've been doing is bringing 1 early defense, 3 buffers, ragna and 1 farm

[cedar snow]

which 2 buffs should i use?

[warm arch]

Fubuki and Haruka

[cedar snow]

ight

[warm arch]

This probably gonna be the team I'll use for a decent chunk of content

[cedar snow]

I honestly feel like 2 farms isn't necessary with ragna

cuz with the buffs, the total amount your spending for the team isn't going to be to to high

[warm arch]

two farms to get the most DPS for Rem & Ram

[cedar snow]

true

[warm arch]

Subaru does deal some DPS, so two farms can be pretty valuable

[cedar snow]

how many Rem/Ram are you maxing in a single 15 wave mode with this setup?

[warm arch]

probably atleast 2 of them

their crowd control is nuts

[cedar snow]

true

[warm arch]

like 72K to upgrade two of them to their second-to-last upgrade

[cedar snow]

with fubuki and rin

so a solid amount of dps lost

~13k dps lost

i think 2 rem/ram do more though right?

[warm arch]

yeah since they're full-AOE at upgrade 9

[cedar snow]

yea so 2 buffs, Ragna, Rem/Ram, and 2 farms

seems to be the best setup

for him

[warm arch]

pretty much

[cedar snow]

also

Ragna is multihit every attac

attack*

which is really nice

[warm arch]

Ragna's only problem is he's inherently not good at crowd-control

[cedar snow]

yea

his circle aoe isn't the bes

best*

[warm arch]

that's why we bring Rem

[cedar snow]

mhm

Honestly this team might just clear anything tbh

and u get 100% boost in portals right?

cuz ragna gives 25%, rem gives 25% and fubuki with skin gives 50%

[warm arch]

tbh for portals I'd rather bring Emilia over Rem

[cedar snow]

hm

why?

ragna already freezes

[warm arch]

curse element has a lot of bad interactions with other elements

[cedar snow]

o

[warm arch]

legit some of the best elements for portals are holy, passion, and water

[cedar snow]

actually im pretty sure water has more negative interactions than curse

unless im missing smth

[warm arch]

water doesn't have as many negative interactions that are actually problematic for Emilia

the only one really is with Nature

[cedar snow]

yea

While curse stuns allies against 2 elements 😭

[hot prism]

12k cost are u mad?

[mortal granite]

monarch takaroda essential

[warm arch]

real

[granite flower]

You notice how ragna technically has an ability subaru could use

[cedar snow]

🗣️

[warm arch]

Yeah it costs 60K, so it’s rubbish

[granite flower]

I mean like getting above 300k is crazy

60k isnt bad since monarch gil costs more

[warm arch]

Even then, I won’t be using Subaru since Fubuki gives the best DPS bonus out of the three buff units

[cedar snow]

no she doesn't?

she actually gives the worst by her self

[cedar snow]

see here

[hot prism]

which is wich?

[cedar snow]

Top left is base, top right is fubuki, bottom left is subaru and bottom right is rin

[hot prism]

is subarus with the full buff? (as in rbd activated before placements)

[granite flower]

Wait did u mean subaru 60k or ragna 60k

[warm arch]

Subaru being 60k to activate his ability ain’t worth it for 10% extra DPS

[granite flower]

Oh holy shit yeah no

Thats insane

[warm arch]

just run Haruka if you need damage and range at that point lmfao

[granite flower]

Hes solely limited to inf

You cant use subaru as efficiently as you can rin unless you run out of things to upgrade

And have extra money on hand

[warm arch]

Pretty much

More DPS is never a bad thing

[warm arch]

I feel like portals kinda spoiled me for how crazy Fubuki can be

[cedar snow]

sorry for replying so late but yea

[hot prism]

Kinda crazy rhat base fubuki and haruka can match up to a maxxed out subaru 😭

[cedar snow]

new code :D SORRY4SHUTDOWN

[lament canyon]

been declined why we still waffling

[violet cliff]

real

[hot prism]

Thx

[violet cliff]

We should just accept that he's an inf/long fight haruka and move on

[hot prism]

And cuz why not i mean you cant jus lie down and die like a dog, what would subaru do

[viral crest]

We shouldnt accept poor gameplay designs

Even if the devs decline

Its like accepting to eat garbage because the chefs decline to make you a new dish

My english is bad but you get the point

[foggy axle]

they cant silence us

we are 200 strong

[viral crest]

Its so easy to make his ability too

[lament canyon]

🤣

[viral crest]

Just: make him unsellable
His ability instantly sell him and tp back the enemies to spawn
Give it long ahh cd

[violet cliff]

They def can. A suggestion with over 100L's got locked

The suggestion was to nerf rr gain from boss events, turns out it was planned before the suggestion was even made- still caused an uproar tho

[foggy axle]

this isnt like that

[violet cliff]

and we lost

[viral crest]

Lost? Nah the only thing they did was emphasizing their greedy nature

[foggy axle]

hate when ppl cry about free shit cuz they want the dopamine rush of getting monarch

[hot prism]

Its fine guys ill use return by death to fix subarus ability

[viral crest]

Please save the av society.. @BlueBlizzard444!

[viral crest]

Bump, star this so when yall GOATs get added later on, they wont suffer the passive curse of “+x% when y happen”

[ancient delta]

does subarus second passive activate for other units?

[viral crest]

Wdym

The range increase?

[ancient delta]

so if another unit activates ability the dmg buff

im kinda dumb

[viral crest]

Yes it seem to implies so

And im pretty sure it works

[wicked drum]

Gojo 60% dmg buff

[granite flower]

its good to keep it up

shows real commitment

[granite flower]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-monke-monkey-gif-4968951887646698844

worst subaru in anime tower defense and only competition was AWTD

[granite flower]

THATS FUCKING RIGHT

THIS THE TYPE OF MENTALITY I LIKE TO SEE

[violet cliff]

Good Luck.

[hot prism]

Thanks, tbh i keep it ip cuz av feels like the only game that listens, even if its a decline they still listen

[granite flower]

the debuffs subaru coulda done wouldve cooked

[wicked drum]

Ts is scary wth

Btw whats the lore about it

[foggy axle]

witch loves subaru

curses him with return by death or sum like that

I dont watch re zero no more

I remember being too sad to continue

and I was watching weekly so i quit

[wicked drum]

If you think about Subaru has INSANE willpower

[cedar snow]

honestly should i read Re:Zero? is it a good read or nah?

[wicked drum]

Idk

[cedar snow]

yo FBI

Should I read Re:Zero?

[granite flower]

watch season 1 then read it from the start imo

[cedar snow]

I dont like watching anime though 😭

[granite flower]

oh

[cedar snow]

I never have and probably never will

[granite flower]

i mean then you can read it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16UpGqt-dlfWaqGFWZsg4R3tLwokcNYbC3J1ppoLMFVQ/edit?usp=sharing this is like

3 years out of date