Give us actual reasons to continue playing

[distant cedar]

Im gonna be brutally honest here with the devs, the content yall are putting out is okay at best, this game was great upon release, and at update 0.5, and 1, but everything after that has been a glitchy mess of slop, 1.5 really wasn't the best kind of update to put out with the minimal content already in the game, and 1.75 was just update 0.5 with less content, but a hundred times more glitchy

So here's my opinion on how to actually make the game worth playing

1. Increase difficulty, self explanatory at first, however in my opinion, gamemodes should start off easy, then be more and more challenging the more rewarding it is, worldlines was a great start to this, but I feel as if this kind of content will be under-utilized in the future

2. Not really a game suggestion, more or less a suggestion to the dev team, give us real sneaks, the recent sneak didn't tell us much, and it looked like you guy's just put some random avatars over an infinity background and called it a day, you don't even have to just flat out show what you're working on, give us clues, put us on a wild goose chase, give us a puzzle to solve to figure out the next update

3. Keep up with an actual update schedule, self explanatory, come on, yall did this in the past, just about every 2 weeks was alright, but now its been nearly 3 weeks, and we don't even have a real sneak for the update, yall can do better, the whole community knows you can

4. Try to innovate from other tower defense games, maybe in the future, instead of using just legend stages for essence stones and evo items, just add the evolution items to the main stages, this way there is more time for you to work on content that we will actually enjoy, instead of making it seem like there is more content by adding these pointless 3 stages

5. stick to your words, dont rush another update, we all know thats why update 2 was buggy and was missing content, you could've waited, but you didn't

I dunno, just listen to the community

[ripe atlas]

am starting to think if we asking for too much and they just not takign this shit fr anymore

[distant cedar]

We aren’t asking for too much, we’re asking for the bare minimum

The falloff the game was ultimately the fault of nobody but the developers

[ripe atlas]

yet we cant even get that.

[ripe atlas]

that is true

[distant cedar]

Like dude this has ticked me off beyond comparison, ive been running a youtube channel for a while, and every single time i grind to get to a point where i can actually make tip videos and help people, the game just falls off, EVERY SINGLE TIME

First with defenders, now vanguards

Watch, I should just grind all the bad games with intention to make content eventually so they all fall off to a point where making content is pointless for it, im calling it, because that’s what will happen

[ripe atlas]

and vangaurds is 100% better than the td games that are out literally i have argured with alot of ppl and they just say "bad updates" a game like this flop over sum bull shit how fucking long u gonna have one builder u say he's insane yet bro taking his sweet time literally just hire more ppl are the team to get stuff out then bright it up

it cant be thatfucking hard

its roblox bro

[ripe atlas]

shit is just generally sad

[distant cedar]

Exactly, vanguards is just better in general, but the issue here is that they really cant push out a good update, like update 2 could’ve been great, but it was subjected to being mid because they pushed it out too early, it was missing half the content we were promised

We were promised boss rushes to be back, we should’ve gotten a battle pass

[ripe atlas]

stop promising us shit

if u know u fucking self that it wouldnt come

the know how much fucking ppl didnt even know the lobby WASNT coming update 2

this was suppose to be a "big" update

[distant cedar]

This update was just a standard update

[ripe atlas]

dont u think the lobby coming update 2 would of been great update

[distant cedar]

It would’ve needed the lobby, the new battlepass, and the boss rushes to be great, it could’ve been great

[ripe atlas]

if they dont add the stuff that are suppose to come in this game this game is gonna die and i hate to say it but this game will be pushing type soul player count

i defend this game too much to get nothing in return

making me look like a fool

over and over

[distant cedar]

Honestly, im tired of defending the devs, every time they just disappoint, same thing happened with anime dimensions

[ripe atlas]

dont even get me started on that dogwater game

[distant cedar]

Nah i still enjoy it, it just got dealt a bad developer lets be honest

[ripe atlas]

devs just love selling the bag

[distant cedar]

An anime dungeon crawler could be a great concept

It’s just always executed in such a bad way

[ripe atlas]

when i get my new pc and i can play marvel rivals wtv happens to this game its whatever

i cant do it anymore

all the youtubers shitting on the game 24/7

no content in the game

nothing to do but tourney

[distant cedar]

See, the thing is, I would as well, im trying my best to look at the best in the game, but the devs are failing so miserably that its sad

[ripe atlas]

and its deadass nothing crazy we are asking for

hoping they update this weekend

if not

we pushing 5k players

[distant cedar]

I might just give up YT at this point dude, nobody takes me serious unless im experienced at the game, and even then the second i gain the experience, the game flatlines

[ripe atlas]

be like that

i dont rlly like posting abt td games

i rlly only do pvp video

[lucid halo]

only thing to do rn ig is just do tournaments for trait rerolls

and it gets so repitive overtime

[distant cedar]

bump

[topaz tangle]

Bro can kids finally understand that av is legit a new td game? Dont be impatient and force half baked Updates. Just quit or play any other game. Legit doesnt make sense and btw try writing that nonsense in General chat cuz this channel is for actual good #1315875683603447969 . Like that fma guy

[distant cedar]

"new td game" that fell off within like 3 months because of bad decisions made by developers

[topaz tangle]

Its 3 month old and averages 10k players. If you create one that average 1k players, i May agree with you

Otherwise you should use your brain

[distant cedar]

\

like 2 days ago it was at 8k

[topaz tangle]

It Was 10k you can cope with that. But showing the playercount while its nightime is crazy work

[distant cedar]

also dont pull the "you can't do better" bullshit

if that applied then we wouldn't complain about microsoft being a horrible company

[distant cedar]

timezones

its only nightime in like half the world

[topaz tangle]

Then you cant talk about games fall offs if you never created one

Idk how a game is dead or falls of if its averaging on non Updates 10k players

[distant cedar]

@ripe atlas get a load of this guy

[distant cedar]

spongebob fucking tower defense has nearly double the playerbase when its been a bit since an update cope

[topaz tangle]

Buddy cant talk alone. Wouldnt be suprised atp if you are yapping with 0 sense

[topaz tangle]

Its new

Like

The logic

[ripe atlas]

oh jeez

ngl he a troll

[topaz tangle]

You are using

[distant cedar]

womp womp

[topaz tangle]

Is just funny asf

[distant cedar]

womp

[topaz tangle]

At least i can aknowledge that you have comunication skill issues. But next time if you trynna Bark, go use better logic 👌

[ripe atlas]

look what av got me playign bro

[distant cedar]

I can tell, this is lowkey funny as fuck imma be real

[distant cedar]

oh jeez

[topaz ridge]

That looks so bad 💀

[distant cedar]

bump

[topaz ridge]

bump

[merry scarab]

I got uniques but not monarchs so I quit av

[distant cedar]

Bump

[distant cedar]

Bump

[distant cedar]

bump

[topaz ridge]

Bump

[shrewd elk]

Lowkey need something to make the grind longer, not more boring, just longer

[distant cedar]

occult was doing an excellent job at that, the problem was adding that gamemode way too early

[shrewd elk]

every single character in another popular td game takes kind of a lot of time to evolve, maybe not alot but like a day or a couple of hours

not just 1 night of mango

i cant really explain what i mean but like
getting characters in av is so easy and fast, i was done with update 20 in like 30 minutes

i got gilgamesh, evolved him, got every single other character besides saber

just 30-40 minutes of gameplay

that shouldnt be a thing

[distant cedar]

I think the problem is that tinytask still worked

the bigger problem though is that its too late to ban tinytask

its a little too late to randomize spawns so tinytask doesnt work

if they prevented people from doing that NOW, there would be an outrage with the small remaining community

[shrewd elk]

ive played manually this update

and it still took under an hour to get the main things

i think they need to rebalance evo reqs

[feral depot]

they should do more of those quest

quests

like toji

or gilga

[iron swan]

i dont think they do TBH making stuff take ages was one of the main issues i had with other tower defenses

[shrewd elk]

they should make the quests take a little more time and work

like come on bruh getting gilgamesh was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too easy

[feral depot]

yea, some quests dont even work rn for some ppl 😭

[shrewd elk]

this is not supposed to be that way

there was no grind

[distant cedar]

all of the grind was put into worldlines

[shrewd elk]

atp they couldve just gave it to everyone without anyone doung anything

[shrewd elk]

like bro
getting a key with pity of 10 games, then killing 3 bosses is not a good quest

[feral depot]

and its so boring

[distant cedar]

nah worldlines isnt bad, its just not difficult enough

its a start

[feral depot]

its boring for me

place and forget

[distant cedar]

get to floor 40+ and it becomes a little hard

[shrewd elk]

lowkey tho, what do you even grind this update

besides worldlines

[distant cedar]

pretty much nothing lol

[shrewd elk]

exactly and thats what bothers me

they just need to find a balance or make a gamemode that is fun to grind idk

making characters too easy to get is not good but making them too hard to get is not good either

toji was kind of in a perfect spot for me

valentine was meh, i dont like playing raids but it was a grind at least

[iron swan]

and then it turned out he was garbage xD

[shrewd elk]

idk he seems pretty strong to me

[feral depot]

he ass

[distant cedar]

bump

[slate lantern]

bump

[slate lantern]

yeah exactly, this game has so much potential men...idk why..

and i hope they havent given up after the "stiches" release..

[vapid panther]

Nothing we could've done, Auric was on a break until Jan 5th, so even if we had another week, the lobby still wouldn't have made it in Update 2. As for the battle pass, unforseen circumstances resulted in us unable to add it in update 2, we really had no way of predicting that what happened would happen, yes it could've been prevented with better planning, but it still was a massive shock.

[terse galleon]

Nah Valentine has a laundry list of problems

[ripe atlas]

well said

[vapid panther]

The new balancer is definitely working on appeasing both sides, the ones which want harder content and the ones which do not.

As for the sneak, there is quite a lot you can go off of, if you actually question every detail of it. It is not just random avatars, and not a random background, it all has a purpose, and I can say this as I know the answer.
When it comes to the update schedule, it's as simple as this, the update will be out when it's ready. That's it. If it's not ready within two weeks, it will not be out within two weeks. The schedule has been progressively getting better though due to a few factors, so this issue should be greatly alleviated as time comes.

For point four, once again the balancers have been replaced, and as such other things will be prioritized than the ones which were prioritized beforehand.

Update 2 was needed, and delaying it would've been a bad idea, as even if a BP was added, that extra week would've made a significant difference.

But yes, I can agree that overall several mistakes were made

[terse galleon]

Lowkey there should be more bosses in the game where using units like Valentine or Medae would actually be useful.

[vapid panther]

Majority of which are sadly due to the aforementioned sudden replacement, which was something we were forced to do

[distant cedar]

I believe this could’ve been solved had the update not been pushed out, it was never given a release, and therefore couldn’t really be delayed

I think the update shouldn’t have been pushed out PURELY because dub A was releasing the same night

Thats just honestly what it seemed like, and it probably wasn’t the best decision, since the whole dev team only got clowned on MORE for the decision

[vapid panther]

Well, the update was given a release 1 hour before or so, when it seemed as if it was more or less ready. During that timespan we unfortunately found a bunch of stuff missing, and at that point it was far too late for us to take it back

The only thing that we could've delayed for COULD be the BP, but even then that would be a substantial amount of time as said BP was not ready at all

[distant cedar]

Pretty sure the kojiro boss might still be missing a model, not sure though

[vapid panther]

Mhm

We realized that after announcing the date

We never received the model for Kojiro

[distant cedar]

Well not really, the update was far too glitchy upon release, same with the past few, often just having gamebreaking bugs, friend of mine got the gilgamesh key from champions on the story mode

[distant cedar]

Ah, i see

[vapid panther]

Glitched like what?

Glitches*

As far as I know there weren't that many

At least not severe ones

Unlike the past

[distant cedar]

Ill give yall that, it was mostly relating to the gilgamesh quest, and a small heap with worldlines not working

[vapid panther]

Also, it wasn't related to AA

We did not decide to release due to AA

It simply felt ready at the time it did, nothing else, and I can say that as I was testing the update for more than a week at that point

[distant cedar]

Hm, i just find it awfully strange that we get no news about a release date for the update, dub A releases a trailer, then the announcement comes along for update 2 in a literal hour

[vapid panther]

No trailer because the editor did not respond to us.

[topaz ridge]

[vapid panther]

There would've been a trailer as usual

[terse galleon]

Are the devs considering getting more in-house artists as opposed to relying on commissions?

[distant cedar]

Hm, i see

[vapid panther]

Artists for what?

What kind

2D?

[terse galleon]

For the 3D models

[vapid panther]

Uhhh well up until now the vast majority of models were done by a in-house artist afaik?

[distant cedar]

Also i assume multiplayer boss rushes were nowhere near completion as well?

I believe one of the developers said they were trying to get that for update 2

[vapid panther]

Well I'm not sure about the vast majority but quite a lot

[vapid panther]

I don't think they were planned for upd 2 to begin with?

It's just something we stated we would do

[distant cedar]

I think something was clearly planned for them, its odd yall added a legacy shop for it without bringing either back

[vapid panther]

Also, were trying is a KEY word

[vapid panther]

Still, despite the legacy shop

Well either way

It simply didn't make it for upd 2

[distant cedar]

Also very random question, are there even any plans to prevent the use of tinytask?

[vapid panther]

There could be more preventative measures in place, but AHK will always find a way to bypass them

It's just getting simply too advanced

It's like actual cheats atp and I'm tired of pretending as if it is not

More so when it comes to the image detecting ones

One of the key things in helping tinytask is seamless retry/replay

Your characters stays in place

I wouldn't like for that to be removed

[distant cedar]

It is, image detecting ones are absolutely cheating, but tinytask is probably the most go-to option, i would recommend just teleporting people to a random spot on the map after each clear, and changing the teleport to spawn slightly, but yall have prob alr thought of that

[vapid panther]

Yeah, I was going to mention that as well

I don't think it's impossible or anything, but focus on making the gameplay actually enjoyable and worth not macroing is something that should be prioritized instead

Though I'll see and ask on the Devs thoughts when it comes to this at some point later on if I can remember it

[distant cedar]

Fair point, if thats the case, id actually have a slight suggestion, i’d probably be a help to everyone if there was more than a singular half hourly, most of us just do it then leave after waiting for a good one

Which by the way, a good one normally only appears like, three times throughout a day while someone is on

[vapid panther]

Good one i.e?

RR?

[distant cedar]

Mostly the trait rerolls, that or stat rerolls

Most roblox players are in school, and have a limited window of time to actually play the game, adding more half hourly challenges would be a major help to those

The issue then would be trying to figure out how to prevent evolutions from becoming too easy to obtain

[vapid panther]

It has been getting easier now yeah

It used to be a major pain for me tbh

[slate lantern]

bump

[distant cedar]

A little too easy, essence stones are massive now in numbers, extremely easy to obtain, if anything some evolutions should have longer quest-lines, if not most, maybe like valentines, searching for a specific item, maybe killing enemies with a specific element, kills in general aren’t really enough to make obtaining evos a pain

[slate lantern]

woah an actual developer

[distant cedar]

I think characters like alucard for example also need a slight rework with the evo requirements, the guns probably shouldn’t just be given out for free, it should be a craft-able item in my opinion

[slate lantern]

same here, i got the key in act 6 and no one believe me, also got 2 gilgamesh after that. one was shiny so i thought they were giving out 2 gilgamesh, 1 shiny and 1 not

[ripe atlas]

even with essence's being more easy, its still a pain to even evo a unit. For me atleast i want him to get atleast z+ or z depends if they are good or not

[distant cedar]

Im not talking about to get good stats, i mean in general

Ignoring stats, evolving a unit is too easy

[ripe atlas]

u want it to be long?

like for every unit?

[distant cedar]

It shouldn’t be as easy as it is

[ripe atlas]

idk what to say

[distant cedar]

Some units should have longer grinds, some units should have quicker grinds, vegeta for an example is a unit i don’t think should be as easy to obtain as it is (the evo)

[ripe atlas]

hm

ok i see what u mean

ye sure

[distant cedar]

Anyone new can get vegeta, evo, then blast through the game

[slate lantern]

well, many people did believe u go against one on one on stiches. and gotta be honest, u did won somehow since some players started saying apology.

[distant cedar]

It removes any difficulty for mid game

[distant cedar]

No, they really didn’t, the playerbase still dropped, and that was a fraction of the people who still returned to stitches

[ripe atlas]

me personally i think u shouldnt be able to solo daily's

this needs 100% needs more co-op

i havent played with my friends in so long

[slate lantern]

cause the problem is that if they go back, they have nothing to do anymore

[distant cedar]

See, im thinking future events should have maps where each player can only place units in specific areas of the map, encouraging everyone to do their part

[slate lantern]

though, im still expecting for vanguard to be revive hehehe

[ripe atlas]

that would be amazing but if a person is afk is gonan be annoying but thats a cool idea

[ripe atlas]

ofc 100%

[distant cedar]

I don’t have the highest hopes, that would be like wishing for anime dimensions to go back to its peak

[ripe atlas]

these guys are too good at what they do

to let this game just dead like that

[slate lantern]

literally a BIG update is all the players need.

[slate lantern]

yeah

[distant cedar]

We were supposed to have a BIG update, update 2

[slate lantern]

felt like it was rushed somehow

[distant cedar]

They hyped it up as their biggest update, now next time they do that its gonna be a “boy who cried wolf” situation

[slate lantern]

tbh, it would be a good update if only theres a new boss rush..new bp and whatsoever

cause, the only thing that is pushing me of playing this game is literally helping people and grinding rerolls as a f2p

i already got all the units, it was worth the grind. but after i got all the units and finished all the achievements and events. what now?

[distant cedar]

Diavolo?

Miku???

[slate lantern]

yeah, i have 3 miku and 1 diavolo

also got 2 alucard in my alt, 1 in my main

[distant cedar]

Gah damn, i got one miku, no diavolo, got miku from single pulls

On the topic of her, hyped for her to be in fortnite

Got 4.7k saved up

[slate lantern]

im 100% sure the update is this week

[jaunty quarry]

the last time we had clues everyone was mad about it though 💔

[slate lantern]

cause they have so much high expectations from this game cause ppl know its good.

[distant cedar]

Gonna be honest, the mad ones were just kinda dumb, im mad the dev leaked it after giving us an actual puzzle, I literally figured out to connect the dots, and didn’t even get the reward of knowing before others

I probably had the rider symbol down like 5 minutes after the post, I just needed to figure out what it was

[vapid panther]

I don't think the daily has been buffed since release

Probably about time something changes

A suggestion was already made about it in the testing server, what will come of it though time will tell

[vapid panther]

That's because the dev who leaked it did it on purpose as they were leaving

It was one of the balancers

They did it out of spite

[distant cedar]

Well i figured that much

[vapid panther]

It was not meant to be posted just like that, and I mean it's not hard to tell given that it was done so 5 minutes after the next clue was given

Sadly that was the least of the bad things they did

[distant cedar]

Honestly, tis a shame the developers who left were all just kinda awful

Not a shame they left, but a shame they had to be a dickweed about it

[vapid panther]

Especially given how much they were paid and were well treated by others... (Aside from the community obviously)

Just to fuck over the ones who treated them best

It's sad

[distant cedar]

Honestly, I encourage the entire dev team to just, close discord and pay no mind, this community is for some reason ungrateful, and just awful

[vapid panther]

I've said this many times to a few of the Devs but nonetheless, as an aspiring programmer myself I also wish to do well by the community and listen to them, just as we do here.

[distant cedar]

Some of it is really good criticism, most of it is children who cant even explain why something is bad, they just get on the train of “well if everyone is saying it’s bad, it must be”

[vapid panther]

Well the biggest motivator for me continuing on is the fact that as you have said, these are all just children who do not know any better

If I hold any spite against them it would be foolish and would just serve to eat me up from the inside sooner or later

I imagine it would be similar for the others as well

As much as some would like to dehumanize us and insult us, we all want to do better and serve the game with our best interests at heart

[distant cedar]

Exactly, a lot of these people don’t know what they’re talking about, now im not gonna say the dev team has made only the best decisions, I believe update 1.5 had content that most likely could’ve waited for the game to be in a more secure spot, having not had a real update in about 3ish weeks, maybe a month, not including sukuna

[vapid panther]

I don't really recall what happened that resulted in the update taking that long but yeah we're all well aware of how poorly that went

[distant cedar]

The thing is, it mostly was poorly received due to it taking so long, had it been 2 weeks, and gave 30 wisps from release, it most likely would’ve been perceived better, however i believe the focus shouldn’t have been an event like that, with the limited content existing in the game, having people play the same level over and over as the main content focus of an entire update wasn’t the greatest idea in the history of ideas

[vapid panther]

Pre release, the time that was estimated for updates was about two to three weeks, but well, putting it to practice was much harder, especially given the lack of experience from the owners in handling projects as these, as you have to keep in mind that Kobo was just 15 a few months back, and Yuru is not much older either, with this game being their biggest ever by a long mile afaik

[distant cedar]

I see, so not a whole lot of experience

[vapid panther]

To be fair, other games such as AA follow a similar format and people seem to eat it up, the biggest difference being simply the time, AA has had nearly 2 years worth of content, meanwhile AV does not

But I think that looking at AA when it comes to this is a bad habit

We should serve to do better

Not justify our failures by the success of our competitor when it seems to be going right for them

We must figure out what works right for us

[distant cedar]

I understand that, but that’s why i believed that putting a limited event into the game as early as you guy’s did, just wouldn’t work from the start, the issue is lack of content, so throwing limited time content wouldn’t really help a whole lot

[vapid panther]

Yeah hence why these events will drag out quite a bit

[distant cedar]

If anything the focus should most likely be permanent content that’ll still be grindy, yet fun and rewarding, not the type of grindy where you’re just glad its over

[vapid panther]

I think a big factor was also that the new units weren't really worth grinding for in the eyes of many

[distant cedar]

The way I see it, to enjoy an actual grind, is to enjoy the process just as much as the result, which game’s like defenders failed to do, the portal grind was just….unfun

[vapid panther]

I don't think any of them aside from diavolo were meta

This should be addressed well in this new update with the new balancer

And I'm not speaking on this based on words as I've already been testing it

[distant cedar]

Well that is mostly because two of them were line aoe, they couldn’t compete with full aoe nukes like gojo

Hopefully the new balancer fixes this, i believe full aoe should be low damage, while more focused aoes such as line and cone naturally having more damage to pick up for the fact they hit less enemies

[vapid panther]

I think it just boils down to games trying to capitalize on AA's "success", in which portals seem to have played a important role in as they are the centre of many updates

So they try to do the same

[vapid panther]

Yeah, though I don't like the idea of having too many full aoe units

But yeah, if there are to be any, they should be lower damage for sure

[distant cedar]

See, portals are a good concept, but they aren’t really done right, they are all just another level, there’s nothing memorable about any of them, portals should have immense difficulty and unique features that make them memorable

Maybe specific portals require you to focus on smaller totems to prevent enemies from spawning on lower paths, maybe there should be a target you need to hit to try to minimize the difficulty, with said target constantly coming back as a pest

Most of the time portals only differentiate by the unit rewarded, not the gameplay, major mistake in my opinion

[ripe atlas]

lovely

[onyx sky]

Seilorenso is AFK: If I don't respond after 5 seconds I have died - 28 minutes ago

[slate lantern]

up

[distant cedar]

no reason, a dev already talked here, and discussed the issues

[karmic peak]

something

[onyx sky]

Seilorenso is AFK: 💤 - 2 hours ago

[karmic peak]

i'd like to highly suggest is

doing community stages was a good start

[karmic peak]

mhm

[karmic peak]

i lowk think the "vanguard" rarity should be redone

[onyx sky]

Seilorenso is AFK: 💤 - 2 hours ago

[karmic peak]

it shouldn't be for units that are heavily gambling oriented

i'd say, it should be for units, you can guarantee players, they'll get through pure grinding, no luck involved

it could be used as AV's rarity for units where av went above and beyond to do something unique, and add units in a way that they were limited, but during the time they were available, they were guaranteed obtainable for people that actually grinded out the update

kind of like a collector's tier

units in it wouldn't be too op, but they'd be units, that the devs, and the community alike loves

[karmic peak]

i'd like to give input on "bi-weekly updates"

[onyx sky]

Seilorenso is AFK: 💤 - 2 hours ago

[karmic peak]

obviously, that's been an issue i've been seeing since game touched like, 2 weeks

bi-weekly updates are unhealthy

because of a few factors

• most people expect and would want newer units to "better" than older units, so there's something to grind for
• developers, management, and testers are a like wouldn't have it easy either

it sets unrealistic expectations

you can definetely push out an update every week, two weeks

butt

it'd cause issues in the long run

since programmers of the game will have to focus on existing bugs, and also on the upcoming updates

after a while, the game becomes a complete mess

[karmic peak]

line aoe could be done a bit better honestly, i hope to see a line aoe to the one that i have in mind

basically, for specific units, at the end of the line aoe

there'd be a tiny circle aoe

kind of like, for units similar to sasuke

or kakashi

imagine like, kakashi/sasuke rushing through chidori/raikiri (line aoe) stunning the enemies and at the end just smashing their hand into the ground, so the impact would kinda like, further slow the enemies in the aoe circle

[vapid panther]

It's not about that

It's literally just a limited secret

That's what vanguard units are

[karmic peak]

Oooh

I see