Upgrade Paths

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I want to say that this is not entirely my idea. Original by Kris (@NanCristian69)
The video concept is attached below the post⏬

Upgrade paths for units consist of a choice of leveling options.

• An upgrade can either go into 2 different branches, or connect to 1 at the end
• Also, due to the fact that passive abilities are used in AV, they can also change in different ways
• ** Such abilities can be added to very rare units like Vanguard or selectively to a few Exclusives **

I've attached my own concept of how switching can work.

[stoic zodiac]

they gotta hire yo ass

oh my lord

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❤️

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[teal dune]

Bump

[spice gazelle]

[inland bronze]

this literally a copy of bloons td 6

[candid portal]

Tell them that the entire AV is a copy of some random TD game. It would make just as much sense

[inland bronze]

No other game has character passives, and elements that actually do something without just being a png to say they exist, so no, av have they own creations

[candid portal]

I do not pretend to the originality of the idea, it is even indicated in the post

but change your mindset about this, not everything that intersects somewhere is a copy

[teal dune]

copy or not theres 0 reason to not want this

being able to fill gaps in your team

raise units potential on certain maps

replace units passive you hate/dislike (I personally dont use gilgamesh just cuz of that first passive)

and maybe other elements

2nd evolutions which unlocks paths

part 2 updates, etc... enough yapping

[candid portal]

good idea

[teal dune]

ye its up to the devs

was thinking of sjw

for when i said part 2 update

with his armor if yk

[inland bronze]

i will say what they say on stage, paths, double evolutions etc WILL POWEERCREEP ALL units released before this update, make all of them USELESS,

[candid portal]

What are you talking about? How can path or double evolutions make other units useless? Do you think the units come out without any balance?

If there is a unit with 2 evolutions, its first one will be significantly weaker than the other units

There are no problems at all in path, because it does not affect the character's strength at all

You can make one path useful in a solo game, the other in a multiplayer one

like the passives of Vegita or Gilgamesh

[inland bronze]

That's how you think, but in practice it's not how it happens, there are already characters that, for example, have two elements, and that doesn't change anything in the game, and that's how it should be. but since you want these units with double evolution and patches, it will literally change the way everyone will play and will force you to use these same units, just as if there were Air enemies and now our teams are forced to have X character to get do a phase.

[candid portal]

How does the uniqueness of the character's mechanics affect the balance?

[inland bronze]

and as they have already made it very clear that they will never touch old units, that is, without buffs, without nerfs, without any changes, anything that comes with new mechanics would kill the old units which would make 90% of people's accounts useless

[candid portal]

bro 💀

why should units with 2 evolutions or path necessarily be stronger?

The new units from dandandan, for example, turned out to be significantly weaker than the old ones

[inland bronze]

because they purposefully made it weak (for no reason)

Using Dandadan as an example, all the characters don't have good scaling, the passives are copies of other units stacked between them and nothing special, that's what makes them "weak" (they're still usable, but there are better ones)

[candid portal]

Well? there is already an example that units with unique abilities, etc., may be weaker than the old ones

[inland bronze]

but the point is that, currently even what is weak is usable, but if totally different mechanics start to come along, for example characters that play 2 different roles based on their evolutions, now, depending on what these 2 forms do, just one character will be enough to complete all content in the game

[inland bronze]

It's worth remembering that at the stage they made it clear that they don't want to create characters that you can catch him and his account becomes extremely strong because he can do everything alone

[candid portal]

Even now, 1 character is enough, lmao

You can come up with abilities that don't cover everything

[inland bronze]

try do sbr with one julius for example, u cant

[candid portal]

as a passive vegita ability that is useless in a multiplayer game

[candid portal]

i can

Z+ and blitz

or i can use toji

By the way, toji has the same ability as path, but it works differently

[inland bronze]

yeah u know what im talking? he is strong!! but it is totally limited. like gilga that needs ishtar and saber,

[inland bronze]

in a balanced way, If you do it that way, great, but they don't

it would be better to invest (they already said they plan to) that instead of two paths, etc., that would just create more synergies, like igris and sung

[inland bronze]

characters that together have different passives and can perform new things, is something that makes more sense

[candid portal]

we are not asking here what would be better on either side, not everyone can afford not just to carry two different characters in a pack, but in principle it is difficult for beginners to get igris

[teal dune]

Double evolution to units were brought up on stage and Pyseph answered that the release units will be powercreeped and that they will be brought up to par again.

[candid portal]

the same igris, without synergy, it's just weak, I don't need such a unit

The position is not that path makes the unit incredibly flexible and unbalanced. The problem is that in some situations, the basic ability of a unit becomes so useless that the unit simply loses its value

[inland bronze]

and that's why they need to make it for mythical and not just secret, and they have to be a little aware that listening to the community is good, but it's not possible to please everyone, so they have to make their own decisions about what they're going to create and do, if that's the case, it becomes a mess, just like it already, everyone wants things that don't please the majority of players, most of whom by chance aren't even part of the discord server and have no idea what's going on.

[candid portal]

You can have many different paths and outcomes from certain situations, you won't always bring IGRIS AND JINWU with you. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[teal dune]

elements do change. have passive and dmg changes within tournament and worldlines
also you say everyone will be forced to use same units cuz of this idea blagh blagh but its total opposite cuz this idea allows for units to be used in different ways and not just a single way thats why its called "paths" so you can choose whether it be ground water air etc not just air fire or air frost

[inland bronze]

I'm sorry to inform you, but if you try to use, for example, sukuna in wordlines fire, he won't receive the buff as soon as he gains the element, the only thing he gains is immunity to snare

[candid portal]

Moreover, the position that it is necessary to always keep all units at the same level is simply stupid, players just get bored with old units, usually this is the position of most players

[candid portal]

This is already a bug that should be fixed, since that's the case

[teal dune]

they also did say they wont make 2x speed and now they saying that they are unsure as of now 🤷
they said they might do part 2 updates so that could help them instead of making similar units but buffed, basically the powercreeping you were speaking about

[inland bronze]

so stop playing td games, That's the essence, there's nowhere to run, It doesn't matter the game, everyone will be the same way

[inland bronze]

the owner has changed, and with that the originality too

now they want to be a 2.0 a..

[teal dune]

this is a bug

[inland bronze]

u know the game

[candid portal]

Yes, of course we will resort to extremes

[inland bronze]

The previous owner was down to earth to say, if you're a lazy person who wants an easy game with 2x speed, automatic upgrades with priority and other things like that, problem, stop playing, but now, they're getting worse and worse.

[candid portal]

Your position is not objective, you state that if a character has one or another unusual mechanic, it will definitely kill the balance. I remind you that people make the game, understanding people

[teal dune]

again another reason, not everyone likes same things, you cant please everyone with just your choice so why not make it for everyone to choose what they like and make paths? (I hate that damn gilgamesh passive bro)

[teal dune]

theres also a balance team involved

[candid portal]

same thank God the game is now designed for single play (everything can be played alone), but if people played with at least 4 people, vegita's and gilgamesh's passives would become so weak

[teal dune]

gilgamesh passive is already none existant

his range is almost the entire map

people dont even bother not placing within his range

its like it doesnt exist

[candid portal]

if the path adds, say, a little more radius in one case, and less damage in the other, then what is the problem of balance?

[candid portal]

yea but for example, in a fast game, if you are main gilgamesh, the liability shows itself well

It would be nice for him to make a choice

only gilgamesh with 35% buff, or just ~15% idk

But the main point of path is that, in theory, you can't go back to another option without losing money

While Tuji's time with the ability can switch every 10 seconds

isn't tuji's ability then a balance killer?)

[teal dune]

hes still meta xd

10 seconds

switch between wave clear and boss kill

removes shields & ignores res

[candid portal]

I do not know, man, at first he says that it is generally a copy of the game about 🐒

[teal dune]

if they add a full res gamemode he would be 100% needed there just cuz of his passive alone

[candid portal]

Then, in general, that it would destroy the balance of the universe

[teal dune]

hmm

idk either

maybe he wants the 30 waves daily challanges

[candid portal]

I spent a day redoing the menu from scratch, creating a concept, and I'm getting weird stuff

[teal dune]

ik how it is

worse if after 2 days of scripting on an ability it turns out sht 😭

[candid portal]

oh

yea It is much worse

[ebon latch]

then the community will cry that they're copying tdx

[teal dune]

yeah but lets not forget what is this game made after

[autumn rivet]

who cares anyway its a cool feature

[half flower]

We need this kind of mechanics

2nd evolutions with extra cooldown

[slow token]

Smartest rust role ive ever seen bro

[formal iron]

characters passive is a copy is dokkan battle, your point?

literally an active skiñl activation

“for 3 turns”

units build up aswell, legit dokkan battle let me show you an kit that builds up

[nocturne plume]

Bloons td ahh

[formal iron]

Look at the second last line

“Critical hit chance +20% per attack evaded”

So no shame for copying bloons td if they copy a very popular game

[candid portal]

The most interesting thing is that it was the first time I heard about the game from him

I even decided to watch it online, it turns out it's even a popular game

the game about 🐒 ...

[formal iron]

it’s still very good it’s just a gacha game

gacha games suck

[half flower]

its called opinion

[heavy viper]

Bro even included an illustration

Best suggestion so far

[smoky siren]

I was making a suggestion like this then I got suggestions blacklisted💔

[nova iris]

LOL STITCHES

@regal flicker

[regal flicker]

Bump

[half flower]

LET GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spare veldt]

bro u got 2 devs to talk in here?

SHEESH

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stitches power

[olive lily]

sigma

[stoic zodiac]

HIRE THIS MAN RN

[blissful kite]

I think homura can be the first unit with path choices

army path and timestop path

[sly comet]

Good suggestion but might be weird for some players

[blissful kite]

if you're familiar with griffith and ainz from that other game, its gonna be like that, im not gonna go all into choosing a button to click on paths, thisll be like a pseudo test and leaning into the path content

basically with griffith he can buff or do dps, thats what im planning for homura

one form of hers will summon her minions from spawn (like ainz)

the other will be a field prestige and perm buff, and she wont have any attacks except a timestop she can use every 120s

i just need to figure out the catalyst/condition to get her on a specific path. What is necessary?

[regal flicker]

bump

[main dagger]

Can be interesting but inly for like 3 characters?
The whole idea can be replaced by just more units, which is much better for AV, since powercreep

[blissful kite]

Thats what im thinking, theyll completely lose out on ideas for chars in the future if they start attributing 2 paths to each

Having select few characters that can have paths would be better

[half flower]

bump

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bump

[inland bronze]

yeah, better not add, but we have no other choice, be a limited mechanic

[half flower]

Bump

[candid portal]

bump

[old halo]

what is bro doing 😭

[formal iron]

bumping

[blissful kite]

ATD players when the dev does normal human stuff

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[teal dune]

Bump

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[teal dune]

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[formal iron]

its approved already

oh wait it isnt

[teal dune]

devs seen it but didnt accept nor decline

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bump

[split sable]

@limpid turret NO SHOT 😭