Solar Buff

[opaque holly]

i feel like this is a bit needed blitz is a 1.85% chance while solar is 0.5% yet blitz> solar which isnt fair and makes solar useless blitz is better than solar cuz it has more DPS stated by the wiki itself and its also known by the community very well

any arguments would be nice since it would bump the channel <<<<<

Huge difference 10% dps increase

Bump

[regal rose]

Range?

But ye fs they need to buff the dps a bit

[opaque holly]

ye

was sure

somebody was gonna say this

my argument is marksman for range

either way everyone knows blitz> solar

which shouldn't be a debate

solar is supposed to be better but isn't

[opaque holly]

Bump

[crisp geyser]

I think both solar and ethereal should be buffed

dps wise ofc

[opaque holly]

ethereal is fine

[dusty sundial]

Ethereal is fine as is

It's more dps on units with 3 placements than monarchs. Ofc monarch is better on units with damage buffing abilities

but still

[dusty sundial]

How would you even buff it lol

there's not much margain

It can't be more than a 25% dps increase

because in that case deadeye becomes irrelevant

[opaque holly]

nerf blitz

or

buff solar

1 of the

2

[opaque holly]

cant they just make it like 25-30%?

less than deadeye and still good

+deadeye is only a bit more rare than solar

[dusty sundial]

deadeye is a 32 percent dps buff

and isn't always consistent

so

[opaque holly]

33

[dusty sundial]

its 32.75 or smth

and again

[opaque holly]

nope

[dusty sundial]

its not always consistent

it's not 33 on the dot

45 crit chance and 50 crit damage when you crit

if solar were to be made a 30% dps increase

deadeye would literally be pointless

because you're getting +10% range from solar too

which is much more influential than 3% damage

[opaque holly]

then nerf blitz???

that way solar becomes useful

either way a trait will always be bad

rn solar is bad rest are good

if we buff solar

deadeye is bad

solar is good and blitz is good

so then just nerf blitz

[dusty sundial]

solar is already better than blitz on full aoe units

swift 3

is a 12.5%

spa reduction

blitz cannot be less than 15%, at the very least

[buoyant leaf]

make dps increase like a 20%

[dusty sundial]

for blitz or for solar?

[buoyant leaf]

solar

[dusty sundial]

that's more fair

i mean blitz would still just be better than it for anything that is not a full aoe

but yeah, solar being a 20% dps increase or smth is fair

[buoyant leaf]

20% increase not including the range which would actually make it a decent trait for full AOE characters

[dusty sundial]

it already is decent of full aoes

it's better than blitz for full aoes

with aoe dps taken into consideration

because a 10% range buff is actually pretty big for them

[tender lagoon]

bump

[stone knot]

Bump

[opaque holly]

bump

[gusty quail]

solar should be reworked to have some elemental buff

like increase duration of status effects by 50% or make dot last 50% more ticks

that would serve a purpose

[dull current]

That would break the game

[hazy flare]

not really

[hazy flare]

I think it should just be buffed to be etheral but range

while removing the 5% spa buff ofc

[dull current]

+50% status duration is BROKEN

It would literally break the game

[dusty sundial]

that's insane

50% more ticks?

[hazy flare]

shhh

i just wanna recreate harmony in this game

[gusty quail]

or make it like anime royale arcane trait where the unit is always type effective or gains type effectiveness after attacking an enemy and "adapting"

literally anything but marksman from temu

ig its more like overpriced marksman

[dusty sundial]

thats insanely overpowered dawg

[gusty quail]

no it isnt if its the only buff the trait provides

[dusty sundial]

solar cant be more than a 33% dps increase

simple as that

[gusty quail]

literally look at anime royale

arcane is balanced in that game

[dusty sundial]

unless type advantages are like 20% extra damage

you can't give that

to a trait

more common

than deadeye

[gusty quail]

sure, maybe it is just 20% extra damage but the unit can not be debuffed by type disadvantage

literally anything is better than current solar

like i said

[dusty sundial]

not being debuffed by elements

isn't exactly smth

you'd expect a trait to do

av takes much more from aa than it does from anything else

solar is this game's reaper

[gusty quail]

reaper is quite literally better than solar though

[dusty sundial]

not really

it was useful on 1 unit

ifirc

[gusty quail]

who is solar useful on

who you wouldnt use marksman on

[dusty sundial]

it's better than blitz on full aoes

i'd much rather have solar alucard/choso

than a marksman choso/alucard

solar increases aoe dps by a good margain

[gusty quail]

blitz on alucard gives you close to 100% uptime on bleed

choso is also low raw dps

nvm i take that back

[dusty sundial]

what

[gusty quail]

i forgot about his passive

chill

[dusty sundial]

its alright

i was about to say

[gusty quail]

all the other rainbow traits have some easily tangible purpose

monarch is monarch

ethereal is ethereal

ofc

but deadeye you at least see a tangible difference with inherent crit units

[violet stirrup]

a good thing to remember is that deadeye isn't really as reliant on the dps increase as the other mythic traits, it's essentially a gimmick trait and it does it very well

but solar isn't a gimmick and tries to do a little bit of everything but ends up with a whole lot of nothing

[dusty sundial]

ig?

you can make out it's dps

on average

and you should usually be seeing that dps

on units deadeye is good on

ie big multihit units/dots

[violet stirrup]

but that's the thing

the fact deadeye is only good for certain units makes its gimmick

it's a good general buff in giving your unit a chance for higher damage

but its real use is in those multihits or as many chances for higher damage

with the other mythics there's no "chance" it's all raw dps ups

[dusty sundial]

i mean tbh it's good for basically every meta unit

other than gojo

[gusty quail]

deadeye actually allows you to build a viable crit build, especially if they expand relics to have more stuff like the turbo granny familiar

solar does not nearly provide as much viability

[violet stirrup]

since I'm comparing the two lower end mythic traits, what genuine benefit does solar have over deadeye?

Realistically it's none

[dusty sundial]

none, i dont disagree with that

[gusty quail]

as it should be though

[dusty sundial]

yeah

deadeye is supposed to be better than solar

[violet stirrup]

but if solar is buffed then it can have a better dps upgrade than deadeye's because they do two seperate things

[gusty quail]

the problem is that blitz is clearly better in a lot of situations for units

[violet stirrup]

there's seperate reasoning to get either of them

without one being inherently better than the other

[dusty sundial]

no it cannot

[violet stirrup]

one is a stat up and the other is a gimmick

[dusty sundial]

if solar is consistently giving you similar dps and a range increase

over deadeye

[violet stirrup]

they can be similar while serving a similar purpose in damage per second

[dusty sundial]

a 50% crit chance is not a gimmick

you can easily get upto like 63 percent crit chance

[violet stirrup]

right because every single unit can crit (ignoring the granny pet GIMMICK)

[gusty quail]

as enderian said, whether its a good thing or not, this is a system that av copied entirely from av, and i doubt theyre going to change the formula for the trait system

[dusty sundial]

on unbound units

[gusty quail]

the trait system was not designed to have all viable traits

[dusty sundial]

yeah, for the most part, every meta unit can

[gusty quail]

it was designed so that the rarest ones were leagues above the rest

[dusty sundial]

just like aa

[dusty sundial]

eh

[violet stirrup]

except solar is rare and worse than vigor 3

[gusty quail]

unique was needed for like everything dawg

[dusty sundial]

ethereal isnt that much better than deadeye

just saying

[violet stirrup]

it's much better than deadeye

[dusty sundial]

oh youre talking about aa

you right then

[violet stirrup]

you said it yourself, most meta units can crit apparently, so why would deadeye be better or comparable to the raw stat upgrade that ethereal is?

[dusty sundial]

I said "its not that much better" to the statement of "the rarest traits are leagues above every other"

[gusty quail]

av made the power spread between rainbow traits a bit more even, but im not too sure if thats a good thing

like aa was bad

dont get me wrong

[dusty sundial]

it's fine for the most part

[violet stirrup]

I agree mostly but then there's solar being completely useless

[dusty sundial]

because traits only really come into play for lbs atm

and for the lbs, obviously, nothing below the absolute peak is gonna work

[gusty quail]

and if youre going for leaderboard you get monarch/ethereal anyways

yeah

[dusty sundial]

yeah

[gusty quail]

jinx!

[dusty sundial]

monarch for the most part

only igris and choso run ethereal in inf i believe

[gusty quail]

nah monarch igris is just better

[violet stirrup]

honestly I liked your DoT idea but moreso solar just needs its own thing. Like it tries to buff all your stats but then the devs were too scared to make the "most common mythic trait" too good, leaving solar just a complete mess, especially since ethereal is also an all stat up (I think) and amazing

[dusty sundial]

ethereal igris does more dps

and because igris doesnt have an active ability

[gusty quail]

how

2%?

[dusty sundial]

ethereal is higher dps than monarch

on 3 placements

[violet stirrup]

I mean looking at stats Enderiean is right

[dusty sundial]

ofc monarch is still better on units like gojo

who have abilities

[gusty quail]

ig

[dusty sundial]

which buff their dps by a good amount

igris doesnt though

so running him with ethereal is completely fine

choso is obviously 4 placement

[gusty quail]

my eth igris still sits at the bottom of my inv

[violet stirrup]

imagine

[dusty sundial]

i mean yeah that's about all you're gonna use igris for rn

unfortunately

[rough anvil]

It's not all about damage bro, that's what dead eye, ethereal and monarch are for, solar is specifically to give more range leaving aside that it's easier to obtain it

[dusty sundial]

that and tourneys

[dusty sundial]

just make it give 30% range and make marksman 20%

fixed

lmao

[violet stirrup]

blitz would still be better

[dusty sundial]

for dps

[gusty quail]

[dusty sundial]

on some units

[gusty quail]

i think that would be a good change

[dusty sundial]

i'd much rather have solar on full aoe units

[violet stirrup]

range doesn't affect dps in any way

[dusty sundial]

aoe dps

[violet stirrup]

it just affects how long you can output your damage on a single enemy

[rough anvil]

It gives a little more damage and a little spa reduction, I wouldn't complain really, support units or those that lack range like choso are useful with that trait

[rose knot]

PLEASE DEVS

[dusty sundial]

a solar full aoe unit

[rose knot]

I NEED THIS

[dusty sundial]

is doing much higher aoe dps

[violet stirrup]

range does not affect DPS oh my god

[gusty quail]

in like an inf only though...

[dusty sundial]

*aoe dps

[violet stirrup]

it doesn't affect dps PERIOD

[gusty quail]

it can target more enemies and therefore deal more dmg per hit

[dusty sundial]

i mean yeah

where else do traits matter

[gusty quail]

monarch matters for everything gangnem

[dusty sundial]

only lbs

[gusty quail]

you can fundamentally change your build if you have a monarch

you can make a hypercarry comp

[violet stirrup]

range allows you to hit more enemies so it allows more damage per enemy, practically higher dps but then you can see for yourself the statistically higher dps from ethereal, blitz and monarch are still more damage per enemy than range ups

and this ONLY applies to full aoe

the range part

[dusty sundial]

Aoe dps is literally defined as the amount of dps you can do to anything within your range

[gusty quail]

yeah which is why i said solar only might be more viable in inf

[dusty sundial]

and what was i referring to?

[violet stirrup]

okay brother let me ask you this

your unit is full aoe and is range 3

he has 3k dps

right?

then you take away his range 3

[gusty quail]

yeah i think justifying keeping the way solar is because its good for only full aoe units is kind of lame

[violet stirrup]

still 3k dps

[dusty sundial]

ig?

You can't feasibly buff it past 20% damage

[gusty quail]

because there shouldnt be many full aoe units in the game in the first place

and full aoe units should come with tradeoffs for being full aoe

[violet stirrup]

give it a gimmick

[dusty sundial]

what kind

i cant think of much

[gusty quail]

im saying make it like deadeye, where in general ethereal is going to be better, but in select cases (like chae in) deadeye becomes viable

there should be ways to invest in solar to make it good

right now solar does not have that flexibility

[dusty sundial]

crit is always gonna have something like that

i see your point though

but i cant really think of much lol

[gusty quail]

me neither

[dusty sundial]

but you're hitting substaintially more enemies as a full aoe with that extended range

let this be tbh

it's whatever

Solar should get buffed

[violet stirrup]

I literally already moved on but okay

[gusty quail]

i have no idea that wouldnt also require a rework of the trait system balancing/powerscaling in general

[dusty sundial]

Was just explaining myself

no shade

yeah

[gusty quail]

its not right to have solar the way it is

[dusty sundial]

you cant nerf blitz because swift 3 is already 12.5%

[gusty quail]

but imo it would make the overall trait system worse if they were to change it in some way

[violet stirrup]

if we wanna rework it and keep the range then just make it simple, give it bigger range than marksman and a gimmick like boss damage, instant shield break, something to make it worth

I don't think either of those would be gamebreaking

[dusty sundial]

just make marksman worse solar

i dont think legendary traits need to be meta on anything

[violet stirrup]

Marksman is meta on Haruka but that's the exception

[dusty sundial]

thats

ig yeah

[gusty quail]

boss damage and shield break would break other parts of the game, since other units have identities that rely on those for passives.

like why bring igris for 15% boss damage when you can bring a unit with solar for the same thing, and then that unit maybe does something better than igris

or maybe a better example is toji

why bring toji when you can just put shield break solar on alucard

[dusty sundial]

yeah

[violet stirrup]

I meant the yellow overshield health bar thing mb

[dusty sundial]

that is why i didnt agree with your arcane from anime realms point

toji's passive is special because it allows him to do that to an extent

ignore damage resistance

things like shield breaking, ignoring damage resistance, giving boss damage yada yada make much more sense as passives

[violet stirrup]

I kind of glossed over it but I did say in the message that Solar's main draw should be range, the additives don't need to be absolutely insane, the point is to make it better at the one thing it's already "best" at and give it a little something to still keep it worth its mythic rarity

[violet stirrup]

except a whole lot of passives are just stat increases

like

[dusty sundial]

i think solar with 30% range, 10% damage and -5% spa would be good enough

[violet stirrup]

well over the majority of them

[dusty sundial]

i mean yeah

i do wish every unit had atleast 1 cool passive

but that probably isn't doable

[violet stirrup]

or they could just make it 30% range and mash together the other's so it's 15% damage or -15% spa either way still worse than Etheral on a statistical dps scale

but then maybe nerf the range to be a better marksman

[dusty sundial]

-5% spa and +10% damage is better than +15% damage

but yeah

[violet stirrup]

it doesn't have to be better in that way since the main draw should be the range

[dusty sundial]

just make marksman a 25% range increase instead

and make solar 30%

that already is enough

it'll see use on

future units

probably

[gusty quail]

i think the easiest way to provide a quick fix is just by swapping marksman and solar range values as you guys said

[dusty sundial]

for example law from aa

[violet stirrup]

solar's range increase is range 2 scale

if marksman had solar's range then range 3 would just be better

[gusty quail]

range 3 is 15% range

solar is 20% range

just nerf range if

ig

[violet stirrup]

it is?

[dusty sundial]

it is

[gusty quail]

no one using that shit anyways

[dusty sundial]

yeah

[violet stirrup]

holy crud it used to be 10 I swear

[dusty sundial]

yeah range is pretty useless

i'd much rather have swift 3

if i really had to pick my poison

[gusty quail]

range 3: 12.5%
marksman: 20%
solar: 30%

[violet stirrup]

except the difference is poison or raw dps increase

[violet stirrup]

why nerf range 3?

[gusty quail]

15% works fine ig

it was just to make marksman seem decently more powerful

[violet stirrup]

I still would prefer that instead of a raw stat increase (I feel like we have plenty of those with passives and the already good mythic traits) it would be cool to see another gimmick trait like deadeye

[dusty sundial]

yeah that's fine tbh

[dusty sundial]

deadeye is also giving a raw stat though

crit chance and damage

are also just stats

[violet stirrup]

and since there'll eventually be additions to the trait list (apparently) this might resolve itself with new traits and solar falling behind making the devs realize it kinda buns

[gusty quail]

gimmicks would be much better implemented in an artifact/relic/familiar system

av trait system(in other words ported aa trait system) was not built for that

[dusty sundial]

they dont have plans to add more traits atm

i believe they've said that

[violet stirrup]

that's why I said eventually

I sure aint holdin my breath for any updates

[dusty sundial]

ig, if eventually is an year or smth

[fallow canyon]

solar should be like 15% range, -10 spa +10 damage

[violet stirrup]

actually

[dusty sundial]

familiars are supposed to be the relics of this game tbh

they shouldve released those with more build up

[dusty sundial]

too much

tune down the spa

[gusty quail]

that would just make it do meh dmg while not playing into the unique advantage of massive range

like at that point why not have ethereal

[violet stirrup]

just wanna point out you called out the av trait system for being a ported aa system and then immediately said they should add more aa-like content

[dusty sundial]

and make it more range

[violet stirrup]

cuz not everyone has the rerolls or luck

[gusty quail]

traits werent designed so that everyone is a winner, if it was then everyone wouldnt be geeking over monarch

[violet stirrup]

it's not a matter of which one over the other it's a matter of gambling into something actually worth it's rarity

[dusty sundial]

thing is, what do traits even matter for besides lbs

the only exception being monarch

[violet stirrup]

a lot, actually

[dusty sundial]

where

[fallow canyon]

its slightly less dps than blitz but with more range

[violet stirrup]

traits are highly, highly useful in literally every gamemode

it's just better stats than your average unit

not necessary

[dusty sundial]

all of story, legend stages, and challenges get cleared by literal traitless level 60 vegeta, solo

[violet stirrup]

but objectively better

[gusty quail]

traits right now are the main way to gain an advantage in any mode

[dusty sundial]

without farms

[gusty quail]

monarch makes sbr 5 way easier bruh lets be honest

[violet stirrup]

other than exclusives and randomly challenging or time-consuming evolution requirements

[dusty sundial]

yeah, i said that monarch is the exception

[violet stirrup]

speaking of evolutions why is Alucard a freakin secret anymore

[gusty quail]

alucard boss event 🗣️ with rate up 🗣️

[dusty sundial]

they are, but what is the advantage to be gained in any mode other than lbs with a trait other than monarch

[violet stirrup]

just make him a vanguard he's completely alienated from every other secret in the game

[dusty sundial]

i can understand monarch changing a lot

that's fair

but even then ima be real a5 was the first activity i actually "struggled" to do

[gusty quail]

leaderboards are like the only endgame content in the game

[dusty sundial]

yeah

[gusty quail]

no other content matters

no one plays this game to replay shibuya story 💀

[dusty sundial]

solar being buffed isnt gonna affect those

[gusty quail]

30% range buff can be used if the devs choose to release some kind of unit that scales with range

30% range is no joke

its just that no unit capitalizes off it yet

[dusty sundial]

it would have to be a unit like law ig

even then wasnt sniper just better than celestial on him back in aa lol

[gusty quail]

many ways to make range good

"inflict +0.5% slow on all enemies in units range per enemy in range, up to 30%"

or sum like that

im sure theres an anime character who that is thematic for

like bloodlust or sum

[violet stirrup]

if I had to be nitpicky, every slowing/stopping unit would have an utter field day with that so maybe not

[gusty quail]

well yeah thats what would make range a truly important stat

right now its just on the wayside

[dusty sundial]

range is the most important thing for support units

*for a specific kind of support units

if solar is to ever be useful, it'd have to get buffed, and marksman would have to get nerfed

[gusty quail]

that is if this game decided to change the meta from the shitty place and replace stuns and freezes to slow down boss

[ashen spade]

isnt solar better for full aoe units?

[dusty sundial]

i mean stalling the boss has always been a thing tbf

but yeah

idk why they chose this as the tournament strat

[ashen spade]

its so boring dude😭

[gusty quail]

like yeah just give the wave 20 boss 5 million hp like wtf 💀

[dusty sundial]

it is

cant lie

[ashen spade]

julias will be meta for tournaments for so long because of this

for the past like 3 tournaments you just cant kill the 2nd boss on traitless iirc

[dusty sundial]

the only freeze unit in the game wouldve been meta regardless tbh

but yeah

this definitely helps

ive used sasuke more than i have used tengen and rengoku combined at this point

[gusty quail]

julias in general is i think one of the strongest implementations of a freeze unit ive ever seen across td games

maybe not ice dragon queen level

but

you know

[dusty sundial]

he's good

idk about one of the strongest though

als has rukia

aa had

[gusty quail]

havent grinded als since unsealed gojo so i wouldnt know

[gusty quail]

homura

[dusty sundial]

didnt homura get replaced towards the later updates

or am i tripping

wait

[gusty quail]

nah she was still up there

best cc aside from law

[dusty sundial]

are we counting timestop and freeze as the same thing

[gusty quail]

yeah

[dusty sundial]

because shanks was the

actual

"stun" unit

[gusty quail]

homura was slightly better timestop though

[dull current]

Trippin, Homura is like Julius here but FULL AOE

Highest value unit in the game besides lb/0.001% units

[dusty sundial]

yeah, i didnt argue for julias over homura

i was just confused on whether she got replaced or not

was dio oh used over her in lb runs or nah?

[dull current]

Both

Kinda the same as here on av

You used Dio timestop and then Homuru until cd is finished

[dusty sundial]

ic

[shell lily]

dps isn’t everything

[gusty quail]

then why dont you get target roll for solar then

[tranquil wing]

They could keep solar how it is rn but just add cost reduction maybe

[shell lily]

?

[gusty quail]

im crying where is my 2nd monarch game

ethereal so buns bro

[rough anvil]

Eth seiko?

[gusty quail]

yeah what about her

[rough anvil]

Why do u have eth on her 💀

[gusty quail]

i got it on like 10 rolls lol

i spent like 200 on diego but didnt want to roll of eth so i just spent my remaining rr on random units and got ethereal again

[pulsar shuttle]

I am crying where is my more mythic game

[rough anvil]

Shouldnt waste your rerolls on units like her

[gusty quail]

well i did 😛

[rough anvil]

Why is the quality so low 😭

[pulsar shuttle]

Idk

Oh i turned my grahpics down to grind

[gusty quail]

solar inumaki is crazy

[pulsar shuttle]

So they get like that

[pulsar shuttle]

I got him from the summon

[gusty quail]

wtf

well ig i got monarch vegeta from summon

💀

[pulsar shuttle]

💀💀

🫡this game hates me man i am 1500+ rerolls in and these are my mythics

[gusty quail]

is this meta chat

how tf is he only doing 150 dmg though 😭

lowkey got to post monarch vegeta showcase

[pulsar shuttle]

Do it

Max him first

💀u wanna see something crazy

[pulsar shuttle]

.

[pulsar shuttle]

I guess i will have everything 9,999 before update drop💀 if am lucky

[gusty quail]

dude how the hell

[pulsar shuttle]

Infiii

[tranquil wing]

I ate it

[gusty quail]

dude ethereal actually pisses me off

its just like golden from aa

everyone in tournaments has at least 2 monarchs bruh i cant

[gusty quail]

i want to roll off ethereal on diego so bad, hes buns without monarch :c

[pulsar shuttle]

😒bro appreciate u got ethernal think about me who got 1 ethernal in his whole lifw with over 1500+ re

Rr

[dusty sundial]

thats just not true though

ig for tourneys

he wants monarch

but he's meta without it

sukuna, igris etc are much more monarch carried

[dull current]

Comparing shitty ass golden with ethereal is crazy

Mf has monarch on the best unit in the game and 5 eths crying while me just 1 ethereal 😭
(Unless you are p2w and bought a lot of rrs)

[gusty quail]

Is it like gojo where only the unit who activates it gets the stacks or is it across all units

If its the latter then ill take back what i said

[dusty sundial]

it is like that, but unlike gojo, the buff isn't only applicable for the time the ability is active

its a permanent buff

so it doesn't matter for inf

[gusty quail]

So it is across all units?

[dusty sundial]

no

[gusty quail]

Dude

[dusty sundial]

only for the unit that pops the ability

[gusty quail]

Thats like 15 activations of the world

[dusty sundial]

obviously, monarch will always be better for tourneys

[dusty sundial]

9

very doable

in inf

the one mode

where youre maxing multiple units

[gusty quail]

5 for max spa buff

-5% down to -25%

Bro they need to make active abilities stack across all units of a player

[dusty sundial]

wait a sec

[gusty quail]

Its not in the passive description its in the ability description

[dusty sundial]

oh yeah

youre right

i mean still

monarch is probably better by a good margain

for trait tourneys

but thats true for basically every unit, no?

[charred sparrow]

no, itadori is worse with monarch because he's a 5 placement

[gusty quail]

Yeah but like ethereal is EVEN WORSE on units with abilities

Like at least grant the stacks to all units

Not global of course but just for the one player

[dusty sundial]

ig?

that only really matters for tournaments though

imo

[gusty quail]

Like 10x worse, like only viable in inf worse

[dusty sundial]

youre never maxing even a monarch diego in wave 15 gamemodes

he's only there to timestop

[gusty quail]

If they make harder mid game content like harder raids im cooked

[dusty sundial]

not to dps

[gusty quail]

Does paying for spirit++ count

I havent bought a normal rr bundle yet

Like surely if i drop 100 dollars on the game and use the free rr i get 2 monarchs

😮‍💨

[dull current]

Not really

You got insanely lucky

I used almost 1.5k rrs and just 1 ethereal

[opaque holly]

i dont have a sinlge trait above ehtereal

[shell lily]

? obviously we aren’t talking about unevo trash

[atomic sorrel]

i think it js needs to have 30% range

cuz like

it being a tradeoff with marksman is p cringe when its 1/200

if its a marksman with 15% dps that is p good

[dusty sundial]

i agree

[gusty quail]

Now to get OP to put that in his post

[bold yarrow]

yall do realize solar has 20 rng?

thats insanly helpful for supports, especially full aoe's

[opaque holly]

still worse than blitz 🙏

[opaque holly]

what i need to put

[granite widget]

Traits like Solar are the reason why I believe trait systems are complete shit

[rich jewel]

yea so it would basically be marksman but with buffs

like eth is just blitz but with more buffs

[gusty quail]

Solar should be buffed by doing the following:

Changing marksman to 20% range boost

Changing solar to 30% range boost while also keeping -5% spa and +10% dmg

That should be the specific change they should make

Best way to buff solar without breaking the trait system and the unit passive/relic ecosystem

[opaque holly]

ion really agree

marksman nerf isnt needed

would make it too weak

[gusty quail]

First of all its a 6% trait

Solar is the rarest of the range traits and should provide the highest range benefit

Giving any trait more than 30% range boost is just broken

So the best range trait should be 30% more range MAX

Right now the range boost on solar is not enough to give a niche

Solar tries to do everything and ends up doing nothing effectively as boxer put it

[opaque holly]

yeah but then new players with less trait rrs make the game even more difficult to play i say, just nerf marksman but not by THAT much

[gusty quail]

No new player needs marksman

[opaque holly]

all do?? what

[gusty quail]

Marksman does NOTHING for the new player

You need dmg as a new player

Vigor 3 is 10x better for a new player than marksman

Range traits are only for niche units

[opaque holly]

its not a range trait tho

[gusty quail]

Like haruka

[gusty quail]

Then what type of trait is it

[opaque holly]

their is no type of traits

its soalr

solar

[gusty quail]

Vigor is a damage trait

Speed and blitz are spa traits

[opaque holly]

yeah rainbow traits dont have types

[gusty quail]

Range and marskman are range traits

Deadeye is a crit trait

[opaque holly]

aight cmon bro

😭 🙏

[gusty quail]

Literally ask anyone else in this thread if solar is a range trait

@dusty sundial is solar a range trait

@violet stirrup is solar a range trait

[opaque holly]

what happened while i was gone dayum

wdyw me to do rn

[gusty quail]

Put this in your suggestion

There is no other way to buff solar

If you think there is id like to hear it

Because chances are it will break the game

[violet stirrup]

it’s what it’s best at

[dusty sundial]

I'd say so yeah

It should be the best range trait

simple as that

any dps boost on top of that is just a cool side bonus

[bold yarrow]

dude dps doesnt always = rarity

20 range goes along way, you have no idea

[ocean venture]

Ppl always sleeping on range

[bold yarrow]

they think damage is everything

[opaque holly]

dude what

??????????

[opaque holly]

so u think blitz < solar

[bold yarrow]

It depends on the unit 🤦‍♂️

For example, full aoe benefit from the extra range alot. Also support units like Sasuke and Julius

[dusty sundial]

on certain units, yeah

[opaque holly]

barelyu

[opaque holly]

so barely any units

most units dont have AOE and lets be real support units are support for a reason

[dusty sundial]

this isnt isolated though

godspeed in aa was better on most units, as compared to reaper.

or even celestial

[opaque holly]

bruv please dont bring aa into this

annoying af aa was may more progressed this game is still relatively new

[dusty sundial]

it's a valid comparison

idk what to tell you

solar is a filler mythic trait for the most part

it's not supposed to be smth revolutionary

it should get a buff, that i can understand

but it should be a range buff, so that it's atleast as good as marksman for giving range to units

[opaque holly]

it really isnt bro

ur not even giving any reasoning to why its ''valid''

[opaque holly]

yeah and this was made it to make it better its a 0.5%

[opaque holly]

yeah not supposed to be buns either

[opaque holly]

yes

[opaque holly]

yes/ok

[dusty sundial]

didnt i already say it should get buffed range

like thrice in this thread

[opaque holly]

idfk i js think it should be buffed

[buoyant leaf]

im in the thick of it

[opaque holly]

everybody knows

[atomic sorrel]

reaper was straight ass lol

[fallow canyon]

except on bosses but yeah all other mythic traits were better

[atomic sorrel]

its so fucking situational

like it did 40% on bosses but it was a common trait on everyone else

and celestial alr did more anw

celestial was like 33%

on everyone

[opaque holly]

it worked

🙏

they gave it a buff

[pulsar shuttle]

Close it now then😂

[opaque holly]

how do i do that?

[pulsar shuttle]

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