Secret Upgrage System

[analog kernel]

First of all, I will say this. There are currently 3 units in the game that are upgraded from mystic to secret. These are:
Gujo, Sukono, Valentine
When we look at them, even though they are banner units, their drop probability is 0.5%, maximum 40.8% and minimum 2%
It is not that difficult to obtain. However, the obtaining rate of the secret class is 0.004%. When these two rates are compared, the rate of a 'Mystic' class becoming 'SECRET' is easier. I will not include igris in this topic.

What I will suggest here is to upgrade such characters to secret classes. To upgrade them more difficult. Thankfully, the problem in goju and sukono does not exist in valentine.

Because you need to do a quest to obtain it. Although it is not very difficult, it is a great progress.

I think that 2 evos should come for the units that will be transformed from mystic to secret in the future, I will give an example from goju. (Don't mind the quality because I was too lazy to open photoshop.)

Such a system may come. Because we can't assign ascend to characters that turn into hidden class. These characters will be useless unless they turn into their original form. They are not exlusive units anyway, there is no time limit?

I think ascend should be assignable to evo0 and evo1. or it can't be assigned. It's all a matter of preference. But these characters will be usable without a hidden class. It will also be harder to have a hidden class.

Honestly, it seemed more logical to me to upgrade evo1 units to hidden class with various tasks.

I mentioned a few more things here as the main article. :
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Guys, please don't hate me for suggesting such a thing.

[analog kernel]

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[analog kernel]

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[sick nest]

Secret =/ hard to obtain. If you lucky enough you can get Alucard from the first 10 lvl spin.
Secret is more like: Not classic way to obtain for every different char. Gojo require infinity mode and farm. Sukuna require boss rush. Valentine - and raid and story. Igris - legend stages and chance to get from boss rush (not same as Sukuna), Alucard by gems.
Maybe we will get secret that you can buy by green and other stones, or secret that require every legend stage materials (for example Gilgamesh that have collection of weapons) or secret that you can get from 100 lvl paragon.

and i hate concept of second evo its not interesting. We already have chars that can be interesting only with evo, but getting char that have full potential and interesting gameplay only on second evo is meh (only works if devs added evo swap, where different evo need for different situations)

[lyric bobcat]

holy yap

[lyric bobcat]

u can get alucard from lvl just have shiny hunter

[sick nest]

or like this ye

I have shiny hunter but have only 2 shiny SJW😭

and some legendaries

[sick nest]

that i cant use like cosmetic bc im to lazy to evo everyone that i get (this is why shines should be turned into skins)

[analog kernel]

According to what you said, it is difficult to obtain 'SECRET'. It doesn't seem that way at all.

This is a hidden class, although the way to obtain each one is different.

And the balance between them is not fair.

It should be harder.

Except Alucard.

[sick nest]

Its not difficult - its require different ways of obtained. Its separate things.
Difficult - Igris , Alucard , Valentine
Not hard - Gojo , Sukuna. But they all require different methods

[analog kernel]

You even say it with your own mouth.

These methods need to be made more difficult.

If not, I'll be keeping 20 Secret Gojos waiting for trade in the future.

[mighty bluff]

Trading is a planned feature, you will only be able to trade exclusive and vanguard rarity along with paid items like gamepasses and paid rerolls, it will be added when there are enough exclusive/vanguard units to trade. You will not be able to trade secrets, mythics, etc.

[sick nest]

To be fair only Valentine is hidden. You firstly need to get him and use heart. (but anyway you can see him in the Collection)

[sick nest]

No , its shouldn't. Secret =/ hard. Its mean not classic obtained method (that can be easier than by gems) or not classic evo

[analog kernel]

Bro Im ok with valentine quest

but gojo and sukuna so easy

Just do inf

No quest

just 20 finger

[sick nest]

I never said that secret is difficult to obtain. For me obtain Igris is much more possible (bc i can just play over and over again) than waiting another day for Cha in in line.

[analog kernel]

and this is like 1-2 hour

[mighty bluff]

eh, Valentine quest can be done in less time

[mighty bluff]

20 fingers is not 1-2h

[sick nest]

But they require not classic methods to make evo = they secret

[analog kernel]

I do after uptade in 1-2 hour

but you cant do now

I agrree

but again so easy

future secrets need to be like valentine qouest

sory im on leage rn

bye

[sick nest]

its like 5 - 6 hours. About Sukuna you can forgot now . He is literally Vanguard (Actually no bc we will get rerun of boss rush , but for guys that joined now - he is vanguard)

[sick nest]

You can how i remeber. But chances is lower (but maybe im not right)

[sick nest]

Guys that got alucard from the first spin or donate from him will never spend 5 hours just for fingers .
You need firstly leveld up , got enough units and opened inf shibuya .
You looking on Difficulty like player that already have good units for clear inf/boss rush and have a lot of lvl, but not like newbie that can be just lucky enough or rich

[fierce lotus]

dunno abt this since gojo does require 30 essences each

which is hard for most poeple

[analog kernel]

Not newbie ? I see 12 level shiny alucard with 23k gem spent

This is really real

I'm just letting it go because this is really luck.

[sick nest]

And you said that Alucard is hard to get? Luck =/ difficult in AV. Just farm gems and sometimes you will get him

[analog kernel]

But this has nothing to do with Alucard because he is right where he should be. He is very hard to get and that is great.

[analog kernel]

Wait what when bro ?

when

I said this now, but where did I say it before?

[sick nest]

You repeat it already

[analog kernel]

Before this

When

[sick nest]

And whole your suggestion said like: Alucard is hard to get. Make other secrets same in obtain difficulty

[analog kernel]

Yes, I said that, I thought I said something else.

nvm

[sick nest]

and this has the same meaning

[analog kernel]

You said it as if I was talking about Alucard. Alucard has nothing to do with the topic.

[analog kernel]

Bro this is not abaout alucard

This is secret drop chance

in banner

U understand ?

[sick nest]

What Secret in banner expect Diavolo we have in the banner?
And why banner chance said about truth rarity value? Its like say that Exclusives from Bp same in value as Rengoku.

[analog kernel]

The chance of getting it in Igris is 0.75, but I decided not to include that.

[analog kernel]

This is not permanent?

[sick nest]

And how you will calculate the chance of Gojo? That require fingers and not 100% spawn of Sukuna?

[sick nest]

But nowadays we have only Alucard as permanent secret

[analog kernel]

Only alucard ?

[sick nest]

Secret = Mythic (sarcasm)

[analog kernel]

What is that gojo and sukuna

? Xd

[sick nest]

In bamner i mean

[analog kernel]

And secrets not limited

right ?

exclusive is limited

[sick nest]

Gojo and Sukuna require special evos that make them secrets

[sick nest]

This is why alucard has such a low chance

[analog kernel]

Same thing goes for 'Valentine'?

[sick nest]

Ye

[analog kernel]

Dude, isn't it limited to Valentine and Gojo? or sukuna

You can see no timer

Not limited

[sick nest]

Ye i know , for what you said that?

[analog kernel]

And this is raid

also not limited

[sick nest]

Idk why you say me limited or no

[analog kernel]

I've been saying these should be the same difficulty as Alucard for 2 hours now.

[sick nest]

No

[analog kernel]

If alucard is not limited like these.

[sick nest]

i will repeat in again: Secret =/ difficulty. Secret = Different obtained methods.

[analog kernel]

=/ what is that

[sick nest]

not equal

[analog kernel]

My friend, why shouldn't the difficulties of different available methods be the same?

I use a very understandable translation.

Both are confirmed to be unrestricted. Both are secret. There are different methods of obtaining. But there is a huge difference between their chances.

This doesn't make sense. This is just favoritism.

Valentine. The only hidden class with the Nearest difficulty of obtaining as Alucard. And yet that's not even close.

Hard to get = low chance

Think of it like 5% of the players got it.

This is where the luck factor comes into play.

The data is specific, as long as it is at a level that can be calculated.

I can't come with papers in hand because I don't have time to do it in detail.

[analog kernel]

....

[sick nest]

Exclusives have same rarity too but has different value

[merry yew]

I mean you get like 9 fingers per boss rush

[earnest zodiac]

skibidi toilet on top

like ngl its kinda peak

I would invest in it man

[sick nest]

But boss rush is time limited

[earnest zodiac]

is it massively limited time?

[merry yew]

It’s not a super long time frame so it’s still viable

[earnest zodiac]

LOW TAPER FADE

[merry yew]

(I think)

[earnest zodiac]

(I think)

I'm pondering relax guys

[sick nest]

For someone that joined in game in the last boss rush day - ye
How i said before: All secrets difficulty based only on who are you. For example ALL Mythic require only position in banner , gems and lucky, but not experience, other units or smth else

[earnest zodiac]

is it massive or not?

[sick nest]

Who? What?

[earnest zodiac]

the event is it massive?

[analog kernel]

So why is sukuna secret? If it's going to be limited, it should be special. Also, talking about greenstones is ridiculous, all characters use them anyway. 5-10 doesn't matter. Also, it's not hard to calculate. You can make a guarantee and add a time event. Like in infinite. The average time of the igris legend stage is certain, when you try to make 100 of them, the probability of getting them is 0.75. (notstacked). but the time spent can be matched with the time to get the material

[sick nest]

idk what you trying to say

[analog kernel]

bad translation sr

This is just something done to keep people from getting upset.

Even if Igris's chance was 0.004, I wouldn't mind.

But this is not possible because spending on a banner is not the same as playing in the game. Look, we see from here that the chances are calculated and optimized.

I say this is possible in other game modes.

To get the secret class.

[sick nest]

Sukuna is secret bc boss rush is time limited but will be rerun sometimes (but you cant say when and player can just leave). For example Diavolo won't have rerun.
Gojo: you need 40 green , 30 blue and 30 red (+4 rainbow). Most problem here that is not different gem stones , when main stone farming is challenges where you get only 1 for 1 colour. Ye , you can craft it but its too expensive.
Igris: how you will calculate lucky of getting igris, lucky of getting units that need to clear legend stage , time of updraged them and time of stage itself? Ye , you can get average chance, but anyway its chance and average , not 100% confirmed

[analog kernel]

That's why I think two evons are necessary. Even if people don't have the hidden class, they will still have gojo.

[sick nest]

They already have gojo but he's secret. Secret is not rarity , its idea, like Exclusives.

Vanguard is rarity of Exclusives

[analog kernel]

Dude, no matter what you say, once you get that character, it will be easy to throw any kind of evo.

[analog kernel]

Then why isn't it exclusive? Why are you contradicting yourself?

[analog kernel]

You may have 1 liter of diesel, but you cannot use it without your car.

car is a unit

diesel is a upg materials

Which is harder to get.

Please do not associate materials with the chance of a secret class.

[sick nest]

Bc Exclusives is unob/tradeable
Secret - time limeted but can be reruned , or can be obtained every time.
I never contradicting myrself. I just said that Exclusives are idea and Secrets is idea. "Like" means that Exclusives have idea too but not the same

[analog kernel]

Uhh I'm tired please continue later.

[sick nest]

But they based on luck too.
Gems stones in legends stages - 1-3 - based on luck
Stones in hourly challenges - 40% for colour , 50% for green (how i remeber)
Stones that you can buy by gold - based on gold , that based on luck too bc you can get a lot more gold with only legendaries in summons. Gold additionaly based on stages , that based on units too , you cant clear new raid act 5 without good unit that require luck to get him from banner.
Everything in this game is based on luck , when you can get first units only from banner

This is why you cant calculate it 100%.
Devs already maded as averageable for all types of player , not only for you and your type of experienced , maybe free to play or donater (idk) and who have good units and resurces but just not lucky enough.

[analog kernel]

Not posibble %100 can be %99

And this is very close

And %99 not current chances

[sick nest]

But not enough to say it for all player in this game.

[analog kernel]

I go sleep rn I answer after

[sick nest]

You just not that type of player , this is why you think that Gojo is easy to get.
For newbie that have Alucard but never played in ATD before Gojo is hard to get.

[analog kernel]

What

[sick nest]

I said all correctly as possible

[analog kernel]

Bro I just say for balance not for me

After i answer have a good day

[sick nest]

Everything I've said so far leads to one thing: difficulty is a subjective thing, especially in a game that is completely tied to horror.

[analog kernel]

[sick nest]

But what you say dont make it balance. Its only your subjective opinion

Its not same as characters balance

Or Mythic balance if we would have situation where some mythic permanently rarely than other

Secrets is different at all and already balanced as possible. It's okay if some secrets is easier to get for 70% peoples , bc for other 30% peoples it harder

Time based secrets like Sukuna and Gojo is harder to get for lucky guys but that play only 1 hour per day

Lucky based secrets like Alucard is harder to get for unlucky grind players that already hate game bc spent million gems but didn't get Alucard