Place a ban on Alucard in traitless tournaments

[plush wave]

I'm not the one going against the very foundations the game is made on, am I?

The game literally works on rng

[slate coyote]

what 😭

[plush wave]

Half of it is based on gacha mechanics

[tribal tendon]

creator of this gets alu watch him delete it 🙏🏼😭

[wintry oasis]

Get lucky

[plush wave]

Lmao

[frigid sparrow]

uhhhhh buff choso maybe?

[slate coyote]

i said i dont think a 0.003% drop should be a factor in winning or losing in a traitless tournament, he said theres not any other way to get an advantage in traitless tournaments and i agreed

[plush wave]

He's already a meta unit though

[tribal tendon]

choso is lit meta tf u on

[rose kernel]

Alr enough yap i think there should be no more discussion beyond, tournaments are designed so that having certain units is a main if not the main way to get a competitive advantage over others in your bracket

Banning units artificially makes tournaments less competitive

[slate coyote]

hes the only one who made a fair point

[slate coyote]

choso goated

love choso

solid unit

[tribal tendon]

if u get such a rare unit u deserve that advatage lets be fr if alucrd wasnt meta it would upset everyone 😭

[plush wave]

"the units which are rare to get shouldn't be usable in a major piece of content"

What is the reason for those units' existence

[slate coyote]

im done talking bro ur still blabbering

ended ts a while ago

[plush wave]

I think most sane people would disagree with you, rather than me

[slate coyote]

and ive already agreed

still dont think alu should be in traitless but

nothing else i can say

he made a fair point

or she

they

they made a fair point

[plush wave]

Apparently nobody else in support of this suggestion had the common sense to think of that

Anyhow

[frigid sparrow]

astd have some units banned on the tournament,should we replicate that?

[rose kernel]

😭 man id be surprised if a girl had my profile

[slate coyote]

the 3 astd players would care

[slate coyote]

i js now noticed its a chimp

[rose kernel]

This is not brawlstars lil bro

[slate coyote]

preparing for astd x to be worse than current astd

[frigid sparrow]

tbh i think they are going to add traits

all my hate on traits

[slate coyote]

i dont think they have a chance of doing anything that other td games have already done, better

[rose kernel]

Yeah astd x needs to just be a rerelease of astd with modern graphics

[slate coyote]

never got into astd but my god

the graphics still look like when it released

[frigid sparrow]

with the old ui

[dull shuttle]

s

[dull shuttle]

astd x is just a last resort

cause i doubt fruit cares abut astd

[astral plume]

6 star gilgamesh was prime astd

[dull shuttle]

i remember getting ssj3 goku in prime astd

was so happy

(i evolved ssj2 to get him so i was EXTRA happy)

[echo gyro]

well, thank you all, someone here gave luck to everyone else for alucard, thank you, after 1.1M gems spent, finally

[dull shuttle]

W

[odd flame]

too many brainrots are still here defending there "ban alocard on traitless bcoz we dont have him" shi

[deft mason]

I agree with banning alucard, but I have a few suggestions in that regard, rather than making alucard banned, why don't they take away his wounded effect

The game currently is not balanced well at all, to accommodate debuffs like that

[odd warren]

Alucard is dookie without wounded

[deft mason]

The fact is that he makes too much of a difference

[odd warren]

It's a gacha game

[deft mason]

Explain why a unbalanced tower defence game should have a unobtainable debuff for 90% of the players

If the game was well balanced, this wouldn't be an issue

30% more dmg makes a big difference in the long run

[deft mason]

The idea of alucard being extremely good stems from the fact that his debuff is one of a kind and accessible to an extremely small gatekeeping minority

The unit should be accessible to all, not just the heavy spenders or the extremely fortunate. Soft pity can simply act as a stopgap for f2p players to get alucard at a reasonable chance while not ruining the already owners of alucard

Most of the ppl who own alucard are trying to prevent this under the idea that "we got something most of y'all will never get and we will try and keep it valuable as possible "

Alucard isn't even gonna be tradable, so making his value higher isn't gonna help y'all in anything besides gatekeeping lb and tournament

Which most ppl have stop bothering entirely since the units are not even worth collecting

[odd warren]

Luck based games will never be fair

And if people don't like it they can just not play

[deft mason]

With the odds being as low as they are. I don't think that's fair to all players. Unless we get another unit that gives the same things as alucard but more obtainable this problem will keep arising

At some point u gotta sit and wonder "is it really worth it? "

[odd warren]

I mean like people can grind for alucard

[deft mason]

How long does it take for u to get bored of not getting alucard

[odd warren]

Idk

I got him at 1.2m and at 1.6m

[deft mason]

Over time the motivation to grind gems goes away

The cycle is -grind gems, pull new banner units, fail to get alucard, repeat

[odd warren]

I mean I improved my grades while grinding for alucard so like I'm not apposed to it

[deft mason]

How long did it take to grind those gems might I ask?

Cuz ik u used TT

I've been getting so bored I started playing the scam of a sakura stand update

Just saying, I've spent over 2M gems for no alucard

[odd warren]

I used the 3rd party one

[deft mason]

Atp I've given up, unless they add a new unit which offers the same debuff as alucard I'm not bothering

[odd warren]

That update was so dookie specs were good but obtainment was soo damn awful

[deft mason]

Name?

[odd warren]

The name cannot be said

Starts with i

[deft mason]

I find it more engaging than spending a Million gems and getting no results

[odd warren]

Inform--

[deft mason]

Hm

[odd warren]

It has everything

[deft mason]

How much per night?

[odd warren]

If you do inf like 20k?

[deft mason]

My current set gets me 35k per night

Using TT

[odd warren]

Idk I haven't afked gems for so long

I abused paragon

Afked until stage 300 isg

[deft mason]

Great for u, I wasn't able to milk it at the time due to exams

[odd warren]

Dang

[barren sparrow]

this suggestion is like saying banning monarch trait for traits tournament

am not even gonna lie only twice was alucard really used for traitless tournament which is the 7th and the 3rd other traitless tournament was not alucard if your gonna bring up the 5th tournament alucard was not really used as it was mostly gojo and sasuke with haruka that was used

[deft mason]

The score difference between alucard and alucardless is 12-15M of the lower end

[barren sparrow]

bro you gotta consider that there are multiple brackets

[deft mason]

Which seems very low

[barren sparrow]

and you can still win firstplace without alucard

[deft mason]

Expect that there will be atleast 20 sweats using the same strategy they copied from the yt guy who posts strategy

Per bracket

U gotta be extremely lucky to not get a sweat in ur bracket

[barren sparrow]

not really gotten pretty easy brackets

[deft mason]

Then that's just u

Not everyone was as fortunate

[barren sparrow]

i think am more on the unfortunate side for brackets

ive seen other peoples bracket way easier than mine

[deft mason]

I and my friend as an example, have been getting into brackets full of sweats

They be getting 2-3B

While we struggle with 600-700 M

[barren sparrow]

on traitless thats impossible

[deft mason]

On traitless it's 1.7B while we got 500M

Still a wide gap

[barren sparrow]

what week tournament?

[deft mason]

Every week so far

[barren sparrow]

yea thats impossible

bc no one has ever gotten no more than 1.2b

on traitless

[deft mason]

With great difficulty I got top 25 once during the Cosmic and sparks tournament

[barren sparrow]

you dont even need alucard for that one

got first place without alucard

[deft mason]

Exactly why I made it on that one to begin with

[barren sparrow]

ok so liek why ban alucard exactly?

alucard has hardly use for most tournaments?

[deft mason]

But there were some ppl using alucard to further pump out more dmg

[deft mason]

Either ban alucard (game too unbalanced to support a 20% dps increase) or add units that do woundes debuff

[barren sparrow]

why ban alucard if his hardly use?

like you cant just say ban alucard if he is barely used for tournaments

there is 8 tournament and only twice was alucard part of the meta for tournament

and the only reason why alucard was part of the meta last tournament was because of the mobs being fast

and alucard early full aoe was really helpful

so like banning alucard for traitless makes zero sense

[deft mason]

He is not Barely used, he has passives that make him almost necessary to be above a large chunk of the players

[barren sparrow]

he is barely used in tournaments

he only got used twice for tournaments

[deft mason]

I have not seen a single season of tournament where alucard has not been an option

[barren sparrow]

#1 2 4 5 6 8

[deft mason]

He always will be since nothing can substitute his debuff

[deft mason]

Go check yt, u will find every season with an alucard strategy

[barren sparrow]

like which week?

[deft mason]

All

Go see

I've been keeping a close watch on all the tournament seasons

[barren sparrow]

ive been doing tournaments sonce week one

and only TWICE

was ised in tournaments

[deft mason]

His element may have been there only 2 times

But his utility is always there

[barren sparrow]

yea which?

[deft mason]

A 20% more dmg taken by all enemies

Think rationally

It's not 20% more dmg taken from him alone btw

It's for all units

[barren sparrow]

no like which other tournaments he was used on traitless?

[deft mason]

So ur getting 20% more worth out of the boosted element, not to mention stackable with haruka

[barren sparrow]

other than #3 and 7

[deft mason]

1,2,3,4,5,7 (I wasn't there for 6 so I can't comment on it)

[barren sparrow]

1 and 2?????

[deft mason]

He was used regardless of his element effect

[barren sparrow]

so you never did tournaments

HE WAS USED TWICE

THATS IT

[deft mason]

I did, for all except 6

[barren sparrow]

THEN YOU WOULD KNOW

THAT HIS ASS WAS ONLY USED TWICE

[deft mason]

Go check yt my friend, u will be proven wrong immediately

[glacial leaf]

1 was never alucard

Alucard started after the spider raid

[glacial leaf]

1 was holy and curse

[barren sparrow]

1 and 2 was not used imib traitless tournament

[deft mason]

He isn't meta for his element, as mention before, he is meta for his basically 20% buff

[barren sparrow]

4 and 5 was not used in tournament

[glacial leaf]

He wasn’t used even with hus 20%

[deft mason]

Making him always used for tournament

[barren sparrow]

DAWG HIS 20% DOES NOTHING IF HARUKA RIN CAN DO BETTER

[glacial leaf]

he was only used in raid

[glacial leaf]

Raid map

And now during the fast enemy

[deft mason]

18% from Haruka vs 20% from alucard hmmmmm

[glacial leaf]

He was not meta during the bleed tournament

[deft mason]

• Haruka can stack with em

[glacial leaf]

Even tho its bleed unit

Choso was used

[deft mason]

38% more dmg seems very fair especially on dmg based tournaments

[glacial leaf]

Its not even used that muchhhh

[barren sparrow]

the units dont gain more dmg they only take 20% more dmg 😭

[deft mason]

Pretty sure alucard was used there too, cuz alucard is upgraded choso

[rose kernel]

why is there still an argument about this i thought this was settled forever ago

[glacial leaf]

I have seen only in spider and this fast i dont think anywhere else

[glacial leaf]

Alucard bleed suck choso was used

[barren sparrow]

idk his bum saying he was ised in every tour aments

[deft mason]

Do the math when a boosted element hits and the enemies take 20% more

[rose kernel]

whoever is trying to defend this suggestion read this

[glacial leaf]

By the way i always thought that 20% only from alucard not from everyone 🫡

[deft mason]

It's for everyone

[barren sparrow]

alucard make the mobs take 20% more dmg

and not give a fucking dmg boost

[glacial leaf]

Damn 😂😂😂

[glacial leaf]

😂😂yeah idc this argument is bs alucard is not even that much meta in tournament

[barren sparrow]

the mobs only take more dmg if they wounded

[barren sparrow]

also read this then come back

[deft mason]

The boost from the tournament to a certain unit, + 20% more (scales on top of the boost as well)

[glacial leaf]

Hakura is more meta than alucard

[deft mason]

Haruka was more obtainable than alucard

[barren sparrow]

SO THAT MEANS HARUKA IS BETTER

[rose kernel]

it doesnt matter if one unit is busted or not, you could have double unique vegito exist in the game and it still wouldnt justify banning that unit

[deft mason]

If the dmg taken didn't scale on top of boosts, yes

Sadly that isn't the case

[barren sparrow]

where does it say that the units get 20% more dmg

they only take 20% more smg

[deft mason]

Take more dmg

[barren sparrow]

YES TAKE

[deft mason]

Read moron

[barren sparrow]

AND NOT GIVE THE UNITS A BUGF

THERES A DIFFERENCE

[deft mason]

The 20% more dmg is on top of boosts

[deft mason]

It's a debuff to the enemies, not a buff for units

[barren sparrow]

THEY NOT GETTING MORE DMG THEY JUST TAKE 20% MORE DMG OFF ON A UNIT ATTACK

[rose kernel]

is this an argument about at what stage of damage calculations alucard buff gets incorporated?

[deft mason]

They are actually gaining more dmg since they take more dmg

[barren sparrow]

NO THEY DONT THEY GAIN THE SAME DMG BUT THEY JUST DIE A LOT FASTER

[deft mason]

U can prove this in the dps going up when enemies that are wounded get hit

[deft mason]

Do the math first before u try and correct it

[rose kernel]

unit base damage * trait dmg multiplier * passive dmg multiplier * haruka buff multiplier * element buff multiplier * wounded multiplier

wounded would be the final multiplier in all damage calculations

[deft mason]

Thank you for simplicity to explain it

Woundes is on top of it all

Meaning that all are accounted first, before the enemies take 20% of THAT BOOSTED DMG

Sometimes I wonder if y'all even calculate these things or not

[deft mason]

This should be pinned, cuz this is the formula that applies

Small change is that the element multiplier comes before Haruka

[barren sparrow]

even if they gain more dmg

[rose kernel]

why would that be the case

[deft mason]

Element boost is applied at base value, Haruka applied to the boosted value, and wounded on top of that

Idk if I explained it well

Do pardon me if it's vague

[rose kernel]

wouldnt unit-to-unit multipliers be calculated before mode-to-unit multipliers?

with exception to alucard since he modifies enemies and not the damager unit

[deft mason]

No because it always accounts the system first, before player actions

[barren sparrow]

btw shiw me proof that alucard was used in every traitless tournaments besides #3 and #7

[deft mason]

Making the boost apply on the base value would give us a much lower output that what we get in game

[barren sparrow]

then ill be quite

[deft mason]

Just check yt

[rose kernel]

im pretty sure if you go into a tournament, you can see the upgrade ui DOESNT show the damage of a unit with the element buff, while the upgrade ui DOES show the damage of a unit with the haruka buff

[deft mason]

As soon as u place the unit, they are pre buffed. This solves any backend issue with certain numbers failing to perform a "boost " Of sorts

The UI in the hotbar will show the bare unit

[rose kernel]

there wouldnt be any issue in the first place, otherwise why have alucard work the way that he does?

[barren sparrow]

i did and only found 2 that he was being used which was 3 and 7

[deft mason]

Are u sure? Cuz when it was relevant it was easy to find alucard strats

[rose kernel]

the upgrade ui will incorporate the haruka buff into its displayed damage, but it doesnt incorporate the element buff into the display?

[barren sparrow]

like whic tournaments

[rose kernel]

ill go into a tournament and confirm this for myself

[barren sparrow]

not the element buff

tournaments dont actually show the buff

for element

[deft mason]

Alucard applied wounded, is considered a debuff to enemies, so unlike others which rely on self boosting, it's a foreign debuffer

[rose kernel]

which means element multipler is calculated after haruka multiplier @deft mason

[deft mason]

It will always be the last multiplier

[rose kernel]

im asking you a different question, why would alucard's passive even function like that if there was "backend issues" that would cause it to be inconsistent

[barren sparrow]

btw you still have not showed propf of alucard being use frequently on tournaments p

[deft mason]

On placement it already has accounted for the buff, think of it as woundes is already applied at the boosted rate, for that specific elements

[rose kernel]

here is my alucard stats in lobby

[deft mason]

A very poor explanation by me

[deft mason]

It should appear the same in tournament

[rose kernel]

here is my alucard stats on placement inside tournament

(i.e. upgrade ui does not show element buff)

while upgrade ui does show haruka buff

[deft mason]

For Haruka boost to apply normally, it's necessary to accommodate the element boost

[rose kernel]

meaning haruka buff is calculated before element

[deft mason]

Otherwise u get less than the amount given by haruka

[rose kernel]

? thats simply not the case

[rose kernel]

if i placed haruka down here the upgrade ui would have updated alucards dmg number

so haruka buff happens before?

simple

[deft mason]

It can't happen before since the math would end up with less than 18% of the boosted element

[rose kernel]

this doesnt make any sense i dont get what youre saying here

element modifiers dont change the fact that haruka is still a 1.18x multiplier no matter what

if thats what youre saying

[deft mason]

The element buff is applied but now shown, making all dmg calculations easier for Haruka since it applies onto a boosted amount

18% of 200% is less likely to mess up than 18% of 100% + 100%

[rose kernel]

if the upgrade ui changes the dmg stat when haruka is present it means that the dmg value variable in the script updates to incorporate haruka buff before element modifier?

[deft mason]

It's a weird thing but it works

[rose kernel]

i guarantee you pyseph will corroborate what i am saying here

[deft mason]

All buffs are predetermined, for the element while boosts are scalesd to go on to the after calculations

It's like BODMAS

[rose kernel]

i also think you misunderstand how data is transferred/computers make calculations. there is a pretty much ZERO PERCENT chance a computer somehow miscalculates an integer operation

[rose kernel]

its all multiplication nothing else

[deft mason]

The thing is that it will always apply the the lower amount causing less than 18%

18% of 100 and 18% of 200 is different

If u catch the drift

[barren sparrow]

why dont bo th both of yall just do the math

i still think alucard is rarely used

[rose kernel]

just because it would theoretically result in lower damage output doesnt mean that it is the reality

i am using empirical evidence from the upgrade ui to show that haruka buff is calculated before element buff

[deft mason]

It wouldn't even be a mistake, it would be a wrong formula altogether

[rose kernel]

no it wouldnt, it would be entirely correct according to the formula i provided

[rose kernel]

alucard is top 1 unit in the game, sorry. saying hes "not OP or used often" is not the correct reason to counter this suggesiton

[deft mason]

If, let's say ur right, Haruka would always be gives 18% of 100% of their dmg rather than their boosted element

Would that me a correct interpretation?

[barren sparrow]

i know that but he was only really used twice for tournaments 3 if you count the igris one

[rose kernel]

yes?

you are subjectively asserting that my calculation is wrong because you want haruka to be buffing the dmg by more and not because the evidcence shows my calculations are correct

[deft mason]

Then how would u accommodate the boosted element?

Double the Haruka?

[rose kernel]

you dont??

[deft mason]

You have to, tournament boosts wouldn't function without it

[rose kernel]

you are making no sense right now

haruka is still adding a 1.18x multipler, its just in an earlier stage than the element multiplier

[deft mason]

The tournament adds a certain amount of % boost to the element. The Haruka will take that amount and give 18% of that

So no matter what, it will show 1.18

But with a different output

For each

[rose kernel]

lets take for example monarch gojo with the 65% cosmic buff in the igris tournament

3000 (base) * 4 (monarch)* 1.1 (cosmic)* 1.3 (strongest sorcerer passive)* 1.18 (haruka)* 1.65 (cosmic buff)* 1.2 (wounded)

rin passive does not mention anywhere that it is multiplying the element buff

[deft mason]

18% of 100% (a unit) + 100% is what ur saying, if u follow this, u end up with 18% of 100% , not the effectiveness of all

[deft mason]

Maybe cuz element are used only for 1 gamemode

[rose kernel]

you can literally go into a tournament with haruka and test out damage numbers, it will for sure give you my calculations output

[deft mason]

And it's a hassle to code the visibility for the boosts

[rose kernel]

no it isnt?

[deft mason]

It very much is,

[rose kernel]

how

[deft mason]

It take alot more than adding some numbers to a preset effect

Which is currently what happens

[nocturne pond]

He’s a support unit, giving him the #1 spot is way too far…

He’s also not even meta for this tourney at the moment.

[deft mason]

He is 1# support unit

[rose kernel]

now you are just trolling

[nocturne pond]

really? There’s a 830m+ strategy out there and it doesn’t require him

and that’s the highest possible score atm

[rose kernel]

what tournament number is this, 8?

[nocturne pond]

The current one??

[rose kernel]

yes im asking what number it is, every tournament is numbered genius

[nocturne pond]

it’s 8, dude I don’t know why you had to ask that

[rose kernel]

because maybe its not relevant for anything unless you are searching up a guide for the tournament on yt?

[nocturne pond]

oh not 830m..
Its 850m+

[nocturne pond]

This is the only traitless tourney to have a damage requirement less than 1B

[rose kernel]

you could literally replace alucard with haruka

[nocturne pond]

You can get 900m with haruka
No Alucard either

[mild finch]

Fraud

[nocturne pond]

So called #1 support unit can’t even get you more than 800m

[deft mason]

Btw I did the math, if we do it ur way, taking 3000 as dmg base and a 100% element boost we get 540 dmg increase. While doing the same but utilizing the element boost (6000 dmg due to 100% boost added) pre added u get 1080 dmg increase

[rose kernel]

according to who

youre just pulling stuff out of your ass

[rose kernel]

again just because your calculation is better doesnt make it real? youre saying that your formula is the way it exists simply because "its better" meanwhile im saying my formula is used because there is visible evidence to prove it in the upgrade ui?

[deft mason]

Cuz u can check it's the way it works

[nocturne pond]

the YouTube and you?

[deft mason]

Hit an enemy, see it in effect

[rose kernel]

"its the way it works because i said so"

[rose kernel]

i didnt say anything even remotely close to that, and show me the youtube video that says that

[nocturne pond]

you specifically told us that he’s the #1 unit in the game, am I wrong??

[nocturne pond]

.

[deft mason]

I never made the claim that i own it, I'm just tell u the formula which proves it's work in the game

[rose kernel]

yes so i never said "he cant get you more than 800m"? quite the opposite actually

[rose kernel]

the upgrade ui works according to my formula. there is no in-game evidence to suggest your formula is correct

[deft mason]

Upgrade ui will only show player side effects

[nocturne pond]

so why say he’s the #1 unit if that’s your point? Isn’t that the whole point of being the best unit for a reason? You’re considered the best support unit so why is it that the low tier units are doing a better job than you?

[deft mason]

Check how much the enemies end up taking

The math checks out

[rose kernel]

show me the video where alucard does under 800m

[rose kernel]

send a video

[deft mason]

Of what

Me doing math? Or the application

[rose kernel]

of you damaging the boss in this tournament with and without haruka

[rose kernel]

again, wheres this video?

[nocturne pond]

https://youtu.be/y1HZCkSne1Q?si=xGfDjfX71lQg0e-l

[deft mason]

Wouldn't it be easier for u, and more believable?

[rose kernel]

i cant send you links in here ill dm you

[deft mason]

Just wait like a day Or 2 till a more op strat is found

Not to mention the alucardless version is prob much lower

[nocturne pond]

https://youtu.be/HMUhddsWXm8?si=1frzb1U7XR_LZ5MF

900m and no alocard

[deft mason]

Mind if I watch the 2nd vid to check if they using the same strat?

[nocturne pond]

?? What
The first and second are different t

The guy isn’t stalling in the first one but in the second one he is

[deft mason]

Case and point

If using the same strat both times, alucard would be always higher

[nocturne pond]

Not true

You’re just wasting money overall

And his dps isn’t that great to begin with

You need all of the support units

[deft mason]

Find a vid where both use the same strat

[languid mantle]

no highest score rn is without alucard 900m

[deft mason]

Then compare the 2

[nocturne pond]

Why? It wouldn’t have 900m

You’re brainwashed if you think that’s possible

What part do you not understand??

[deft mason]

It's more plausible than u might think

[nocturne pond]

No it isn’t

[deft mason]

What is the difference between alucard and choso?

[languid mantle]

dps

[deft mason]

Both do bleed, and one does wounded

[languid mantle]

choso did better than alucard 8k without trait

[deft mason]

Interchange one and see ite results

[nocturne pond]

And who would you remove for alocard?

Haruka will do a better job than haruka

You also cannot remove the 3 support remaining units

[deft mason]

I can't help but think that if we use the same strat we do for choso, alucard would be higher

[nocturne pond]

You also can only keep one farm unit

[rose kernel]

????

[languid mantle]

proof?

[nocturne pond]

a better job than Alucard I mean

[languid mantle]

highest score rn in traitless is without alucard

hes use haruka rin instead

[rose kernel]

and no if you look at octopedes and i's discussion earlier you will see that alucards multiplier is much more substantial than haruka

aluacards multiplier is a final damage multiplier and the final step in calculations

[deft mason]

Passives and work around

[languid mantle]

dude u have no proof for that cuz highest score in traitless tournament rn is WITHOUT alucard he did 900m

[deft mason]

Ah yes, let's waste one more slot rather than bring a 3 in 1

[languid mantle]

bro just have no point ...

[nocturne pond]

what he’s tryna say is that he think you can get a better score if you replace haruka with Alucard but I doubt that

[deft mason]

Have u tried coming up with a better strat? Without yt. Y'all are brainwashed to believe that ppl will show their best strat

[nocturne pond]

You won’t even have enough money to begin with

[rose kernel]

if you look at the first page of results for tournament 8 guide traitless on yt, there is over 6 videos of people using the same non alucard loadout, iciqer cherrypicked the best result out of the 6, meanwhile there is only 1 alucard video

people were only able to get 700 m with the same loadout as the 900 m strat

[languid mantle]

no cuz rn without alucard u can still get 900m and i saw no one with alucard did that

[deft mason]

Maybe make the strat urself

Ppl will never show their best attempt

[languid mantle]

dude there a video without alucard did 900m bro

[deft mason]

Greedy ppl tend to gatekeep their techniques

[rose kernel]

just because a video doesnt exist yet doesnt mean its not possible. content creators will be making mostly non-alucard strats anyways because most people in the game do not have alucard

[deft mason]

And does that mean it's not possible? Absolutely not, it just means y'all are narrow minded sheep to follow anything posted online

It's very possible to make a strat better than the ones posted

[rose kernel]

alucard is theoretically the best unit for this tournament, nothing changes that fact

[languid mantle]

so u guy ever saw guy with alucard did 900m before?

[deft mason]

I can bet rn, as soon as the last few hours are near, ppl will start dropping their actual best strats

[languid mantle]

with strat ofc

[rose kernel]

oml read this message @languid mantle

[deft mason]

Ong, just cuz ppl made a strat doesn't mean it's the only way, there are better ways, and people will always hide the better ways

The fact that there are none means ppl are gatekeeping some strat

It's about time y'all made ur own strat

[languid mantle]

but u guy have no proof atleast gimme the score that alucard did the best

[deft mason]

Y'all are too used to being spoonfed one strategy

[deft mason]

No matter how hard u try, anything that choso does, alucard does it better, that alone compels my argument, peace and thank you

[rose kernel]

this video came out 8 hrs ago, 9 hrs ago, alucard would have been the best strat to use on this tournament

you are just cherrypicking the best result of your data without considering all of the data

@languid mantle

[deft mason]

I'm 100% sure, that if those guides on yr were not there, y'all would be doing garbage in tournament

[languid mantle]

his best score showed in his video but u have no proof that alucard did better

[rose kernel]

alucard literally on paper performs better than every other unit in this tournament

[deft mason]

Why don't u prove alucard is worse by using him in the same way as choso?

[rose kernel]

these videos used the same loadout and only got 600-700 m

you are just using the SINGLE best result of all videos to assert that your point is ture

[languid mantle]

no one did 900m for him that the proof

[deft mason]

Y'all are too narrow minded tbh, like, cmon y'all can read, just see passives and work out ur own strategy

[rose kernel]

"no one took a picture of the earth as round so therefore its flat"

[nocturne pond]

and if what you are wrong?
does that make him no longer the best support unit?

[rose kernel]

he still is lol, why dont you argue with papsi about it since he placed alucard as the top 1 unit in his tierlist, hes probably not tired of this conversation yet

[nocturne pond]

please, don’t mind my auto correct

[rose kernel]

go ham

i have yet to see anyone place alucard below top 2

[deft mason]

No matter how much the dmg, this conversation proves that most tournament players are just sheep who blindly follow anything

Is it really that hard to make ur own strategy?

[languid mantle]

unfortunately we have picture of earth

[rose kernel]

its a 2d image of earth so its flat 🤷‍♂️

[deft mason]

Tell u what, do a run of each, alucard and choso, and see the results for urself

[languid mantle]

i litterly did

both same

[deft mason]

Using a yt tutorial or ur own strat?

[languid mantle]

its just the way how u stun and slow the boss

[rose kernel]

you said your point, idt either of us are going to convince him, so lets just put it to rest this is not worth the effort

idc about changing the mind of one random discordian

[deft mason]

True, I feel like some of these ppl lowkey don't have a single thought in their brains

Tournament is all about strategy, a bad strategy will always suck regardless of units being outstanding

The fact that no one has made an updated alucard strategy means there is something worth hiding

[deft mason]

In every tournament, I have always found a different strat that gives the same results as the ones of yt, doesn't mean it doesn't work or that it sucks

It just means I was smart enough to not be a slob

[rose kernel]

cry harder, you are pressed asf if you have to resort to that kind of sticker 😂

[barren sparrow]

it might be possible ti get more dmg with diavolo but not sure tho

[deft mason]

Isn't he only good for support?

And expensive as hell with 300 sec cd

[barren sparrow]

he got that rewind

[deft mason]

Ain't he a bit too expensive for that?

[barren sparrow]

i mean it kinda work

here ill show a clip of me doing it

it could work if i dont fuck it up

here

[nocturne pond]

Meanwhile it’s Better without Diavolo

And guaranteed

[barren sparrow]

am just trying out different strat

calm down

[nocturne pond]

I am calm it’s just more risky

Don’t forget the stalling won’t even work if you don’t time it correctly

[barren sparrow]

it can work trust

give me like few more runs

ill make it work

[rose kernel]

it would work if you had monarch but ethereal is lowkey selling you

[barren sparrow]

its traitless

[rose kernel]

then atp i wouldnt bother since traitless diavolo is way too expensive for too little dmg and aoe

[barren sparrow]

imma only use it for the rewind

that was the idea behind it

was to like rewind before boss reaches base

for extrra bit of dmg

[nocturne pond]

but why boss?

instead of the front

[barren sparrow]

doing it early wave kinda pointless

you want the tanky mobs to spawn

[nocturne pond]

yah that’s what I mean

[rose kernel]

yeah but i think just having another dps unit or cheaper stun/freeze unit would be better no?

[nocturne pond]

it is yeah

[barren sparrow]

choso is the only mian dps you need

[nocturne pond]

Julius..?

[barren sparrow]

but like ill see if it worse or better

[barren sparrow]

she bartely provides any

[rose kernel]

hes already using him (for support)

[rose kernel]

alucard?

[barren sparrow]

in a match rn

ill tell if it works

[nocturne pond]

Can you try Choso snd Alucard ?

Replace haruka with Alucard

[barren sparrow]

alr

[rose kernel]

good luck

[nocturne pond]

I want know if it’s better to use haruka + choso or alucard + choso

[rose kernel]

its hard to say bc haruka provides both range and dmg

[nocturne pond]

choso gets a 55% buff with Alucard

due to his passives (Choso)

[barren sparrow]

here

[rose kernel]

all enemies in chosos range are usually bleeding 100% of the time with choso alone

alucard bleed isnt necessary imo

[barren sparrow]

alucard bleed only last like 2 seconds compared to choso which is like triple the time of that i think

[nocturne pond]

Would you be happy with a monarch Alucard?

[rose kernel]

yeah its like 6-7 second bleed while his spa is like 5 or 6 seconds

[rose kernel]

duh

monarch alucard would just be the best unit in the game hands down, bc it literally fixes his only issue of lack of dmg output

monarch alucard upgrade 4 on any progressive mode is unbeatable

[barren sparrow]

the stun pattern btw is croc > sasuke > croc > julias

rinse and repeat

[rose kernel]

can a unit be stunned and frozen at the same time?

[barren sparrow]

uhh

theres a cd

above there hp

[rose kernel]

is the cd a shared cd or just for each individual status

[barren sparrow]

no

one is lightnight

the other is

snowflake

[nocturne pond]

each status

[barren sparrow]

ok i cant reply for a bit

[rose kernel]

so theyre frozen/stunned pretty much 80% of the time?

[nocturne pond]

if it’s the same status then it’s global cd

[barren sparrow]

WTF DID I JUT DO

I MANAGE TO KILL JOGO????

diavolo ate jogo

[rose kernel]

this video is bugged

[barren sparrow]

what you mean?

[rose kernel]

let me refresh discord

[rose kernel]

its stuck on one frame

[barren sparrow]

idk but mine works fine

[odd flame]

ugh

[barren sparrow]

unless ur have not fully loaded

[odd flame]

opps wrong chat

[rose kernel]

i downloaded it and it played fine nvm

[barren sparrow]

i somehow killed jogo

[rose kernel]

is choso + haruka the only thing people use for dps?

[barren sparrow]

yes

[rose kernel]

the tournament is that easy?

[barren sparrow]

the hard part

is to be able to perfect stun the boss

and make him move like a turtle

[rose kernel]

diego timestop wouldnt work?

you can prob use it twice on the boss

@barren sparrow

given that you are already slowing/stunning/freezing him

[barren sparrow]

no

[barren sparrow]

5m cd gang that too long

[rose kernel]

is it bc diego ts is just a freeze?

[rose kernel]

isnt it 120 second cd?

[barren sparrow]

his time stop is gonna be a one itme thing soo it aint worht it

[barren sparrow]

300 seconds

[rose kernel]

wtf i swear it isnt that long

[barren sparrow]

it always been 300 seconds

lol

[rose kernel]

diavolo cd is 300 seconds

[barren sparrow]

well anyhow

that was my second attemp

imma try perfect it more tmr

see if i can actually get 900m

[rose kernel]

i recommend you look into it

using diego

wait bro people are sleeping on prob one of the best units to bring to this tournie

diego is a 13s full map time stop

definitely slept on

[nocturne pond]

Expensive

[rose kernel]

he gets it at upg 6 dawg

[rose kernel]

30k to get time stop running is not bad at all

[deft mason]

Diego timestop is 135 seconds

[barren sparrow]

its not really worth using

since he only stops the mobs for a few seconds

compared to alucard he rewinds them

and gives them a 10 sec slow effect

[rose kernel]

30 seconds over 2 ability uses seems pretty valuable imo + he contributes as a dps

[barren sparrow]

i mean

you can try it out urself

see how it goes ig

i dont have my diego evo

[deft mason]

It also pauses the wave timer and stuff

[barren sparrow]

oh really

[deft mason]

For 13 seconds

[rose kernel]

oh yeah wave timer stop would go hard

[barren sparrow]

wait aint stopping the wave timer a bad thing...

bc you need to skip waves as much as possible

[deft mason]

Not really, gives a chance to recover in case ur losing

[barren sparrow]

i was able to get wave 35

[deft mason]

And also enemies start capping out at wave 17 onwards

[barren sparrow]

wave 36 might be possible if you get perfect stuns

[rose kernel]

you wont be breaking the 20 min mark in this tournament

[barren sparrow]

i had 3 mins spare

i mean yall can try and tell me how it goes

[deft mason]

So it's worth doing a timestop to stall since his thing allows him to deal more dmg even if the enemy is dead (even dmg is paused from the Diego that uses it)

[rose kernel]

my choso is buns triple s so idk

[barren sparrow]

idk

you have to do htat research urself

[rose kernel]

my run will have issues in general with no z+ choso

[barren sparrow]

yall want me to try

[rose kernel]

i might be able to farm stats on choso

ill see

low on chips though

[barren sparrow]

i got these thats why

ill try tmr

ill evo my diego

i just need green stars

[rose kernel]

oh yeah i also have 0 ascensions on choso

[barren sparrow]

imma just do it myself

see if its actually worth doing

[rose kernel]

2.8% crit dmg is diabolical

all my familiars have <1%

[barren sparrow]

well

i have done 150 runs

already

soo like

this is my strongest one

which is crazy stats

[deft mason]

I got one that gives 5% unbound dmg and 3.4% crit. And I think that's the highest it can go

Saving it for my future alucard

[ivory karma]

what alucard 💀

he doesnt exist

[deft mason]

I swear he doesn't exist and all the owners are just delusional

[ivory karma]

photoshop pros

[plush wave]

What? Full aoe meta bleed. You guys should actually max him in inf and see his dps relative to gojo and other full aoe units before saying "he's only support"

[odd warren]

Gojo dps? Idk what your alucard is doing compared to mine

Plus gojos dps isn't the exact best

[plush wave]

full aoe units

their aoe dps

is insane

the only units that do higher dps than them

are units with usually bad aoes

[odd warren]

Yeah but if you take away wounded why not just use choso

[plush wave]

ig that's a more valid point. alucard's dps is still probably about the same as choso's if im not wrong, with max passives

but yeah, choso would be basically at the same level as him

wounded is ofc the difference maker

[tribal tendon]

and ration says it all

[odd warren]

Choso better dps in general, but alucard is a better unit since wounded, also easier to get the usefulness out of alucard

[plush wave]

their dps is neck and neck

with alucard having summons

and superior range

[odd warren]

But it won't matter eventually

They're both gonna get power creeped

[plush wave]

perhaps

time will tell

though it's not easy to powercreep a unit that gives 20% free damage to everyone

[odd warren]

Yeah

Depends how long this game lives

Give it 4 or 5 updates until we see 1m dmg

[plush wave]

maybe

we haven't so far

gojo's dps is flat out lower than some upd 1 units'

ofc he's still the best unit

but powercreep hasnt been THAT bad yet

[barren sparrow]

DIAVOLO THE GOAT CARRY

[tribal tendon]

has nohting to do w the suggestion ban this guy

[tall blaze]

Those who know 1 billion Strat

[forest eagle]

Trait?

[late lark]

Womp Womp get alucard

[barren sparrow]

clearly says no trait

[forest eagle]

Wth how

I have diavolo pls tell me the secret master

[forest eagle]

What unit u using? Diavolo, Choso, Haruka, Julius, croc and Takaroda right

[tranquil rivet]

did u swap haruka for diavolo

[barren sparrow]

yes

[tranquil rivet]

thanks sigma i WILL be trying this out

[forest eagle]

1 farm right?

[barren sparrow]

ye

[forest eagle]

Ty for the info my guy

[summer patrol]

money rng is a bigger problem than alucard

[forest eagle]

Yoo i just got 790m by change haruka To diavolo first try thanks bro

My ts and slow suck cuz in mobile and the lag but i could try again

[ivory karma]

my diavlo is finally usefull

[tranquil rivet]

howre yall doing it bruh

without haruka i always die to the FIRST boss 😭

i have all z+´and max ascensions on everythintg

[barren sparrow]

what you mean?

how do you die at the first boss?

[tranquil rivet]

idk hes always leaking with like 70k hp

[barren sparrow]

wait

do you tirn off auto skip

[tranquil rivet]

yea i turn it off at wave 9

[tribal tendon]

just watch a run in yt

[tranquil rivet]

should it be off till the boss dies

[barren sparrow]

your not suppose to auto skip

wace 3-10

[tranquil rivet]

oh

[barren sparrow]

you dont skip

[tribal tendon]

u got familiars cuz thats lowkey a game chnager?

[tranquil rivet]

oh alright

[barren sparrow]

and you try farm efficiency

[tranquil rivet]

yea

[barren sparrow]

i always max my farm at wave 7

and then upgrade one of the choso

[tranquil rivet]

alr alr

thx guys

[barren sparrow]

ill send a vid how to donit

[tribal tendon]

w diavolo u should be getting close to 1b

[tranquil rivet]

goat

[barren sparrow]

he prov movile

gosh darn it someone leaked my diavolo strat

[summer patrol]

not urs

[barren sparrow]

yea uh

dont see anybody else doing it

[summer patrol]

people can have the same ideas

[tribal tendon]

prob everyone is who got diavolo

[forest eagle]

How u know lol

I play while 7fps crazy

[barren sparrow]

bc you got. 790

pc players get like a massive advantage

my lowest i gotten was 900m

btw the perfect stun cyccle is crocodile > sasuke > crocodile > julias

[forest eagle]

Yeah ik bro but in mobile u put 1 unit waiting is crazy

[barren sparrow]

turn off
mob hp

[forest eagle]

Still lag bro

I shouldve change device lol

[tall blaze]

My friend got 970 mil with the strat he could of gotten a bil if he just skipped 2 seconds later

[barren sparrow]

i gotten 971

[severe igloo]

Damn 175 L are crazy. Damn like this guy needs 4 stars for spotlight #1348395292826796123 . Idk that guy but would be crazy Helping him

[inner shuttle]

Dont think this is an issue anymore but bump

[inner shuttle]

💀

Dude

This suggestion was made months ago

[severe igloo]

Nah ik lmao

[inner shuttle]

This was a good suggestion whyd it get 175 L's