Elemental reactions + Elements overhaul

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kZbsdsSi9RchY829vdArpyXqqDjBTdKAdaBj_X0nqgA/edit?usp=sharing
Important points from the doc:

• Main purpose is to add more depth to units and team building, while also attempting to balance the aoe balancing issue
• Deletion of Cosmic and Unbound element. Replaced with Terra and Melee element(units from removed elements will be put into other elements)
• split to Elemental and Physical damaging/support units
• 20 unique reactions between elements
• Elemental resonance
• Unit passive reworks
• New "Trail Mode" concept

explained much more in depth in the google doc, I am open to feedback and criticism

if you are gonna downvote, let me know what i could change

[stoic wing]

probably the deletion of charm lol

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really?

[stoic wing]

i mean it's unnecesary i doubt the devs are gonna do more work than they have to

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Why todo and kizaru get ??? Spark

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did not know were else to put kizaru, todo cause of black flash😭

lmk were to put them

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I really like the element combination and affecting wach other

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im hungry for upvotes

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But i dont like the idea of remove certain elements right now ‘almost’ all the elements perfectly suit the units except unbound it can have a rework

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Done it

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that is fair, but i found it hard to create reactions between elements with the current elements(charm, cosmic etc)

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Yeah that’s the case well it depend on the devs so we can just upvote

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added charm and holy element back, and gave holy element some reactions

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@near breach this one

Much appreciated brother

[near breach]

i really like this, i think the magic/phys damage types from aa are slept on and so i really like you reincorporating it via melee/elemental

elemental reactions and team resonances also have been things ive wanted in this game since day 1 (unfortunately they took down my post with my original document on game mechanics)

i do think it is a little janky with how there is "disabling" an element in your team, and it feels like a cop out from having to effectively design your team to not have that issue

i wont comment too much on the specific effects of all the elements, as balancing will always be a constant issue, but the general premises of everything you propsed are GREAT

it will be a longshot that the devs will actually change their current system to implement this tho, given how much of an overhaul would be needed

doesnt make this suggestion any less interesting

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Alr thanks, I’ll work on the reaction disabling mechanic more so that it’s not just a cop out

[near breach]

id say its just a unnecessary thing to have. like imagine being able to do that in genshin where by the press of a button you could just select elemental priority so that your team can do both vaporize and hyperbloom in one composition instead of accidentally proccing burgeon

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My reason for the disabling mechanic is cause In co-op and even single player controlling reactions would be hard since you can’t exactly control when your units attack, and especially in co-op multiple players with multiple different teams can be hard to control what reactions you want to proc

[near breach]

you could just do what you said in making elemental reactions client sided so that they only effect your units alone

ill get back to you after i read the other guys post

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I was thinking that, but at the same time it would be really rewarding to make it so that elements aren’t client sided, cause it opens up so many opportunities for team/creative multiplier comps

[near breach]

i think multiple elemental combinations should be able to be inflicted on an enemy at once (like how you can currently stun, bleed, freeze, slow, and burn an enemy at the same time)

i also think you should be able to stack them

you could start by scaling the elemental effects down so that stacking them and combining multiple types doesnt become op

i currently dont have any good ideas/solutions to the problem but i have other work to do rn, so ill get back to you tmrrw or smth

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Gonna repost this in the other channel

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reposted in the other channel

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Gonna also start revising some stuff from the doc

Starting with reaction stacking

[keen fulcrum]

One issue I have with this is the elemental debuffs that they put on enemies. Sounds a little too much, and would easily get too messy, even with all of the mechanics you suggested to try and mitigate it.

[white birch]

Tbf this is WAY too consistent

To achieve this level of consistency would be mad buggy

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You never know

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Can you provide an example?

[white birch]

I'd say only the first 3 slots of your line-up should be able to proc reactions

to minimize the checks needed for all at and some "random reactions GO" unviable

like if 2 units have the same ICD then what happens?

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• I do like the idea of 3 slots only being able to proc, but it’s also seems limiting to not be able to utilize the whole team,

-if 2 units have the same icd… I don’t know never thought of it but I would assume that it would apply 1 of the elements of the 2

[keen fulcrum]

With the way this works, alot of the times entire loadouts would be applying debuffs on enemies, which would js be messy

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You didn’t exactly provide an example but the whole point is to make teams around these debuffs/extra dmg bonuses, and even if you don’t feel like making a full team designed around one you could bring random units and still randomly proc some reaction(although not as effective as designing a full comp)
And if you have a team with to many reactions you are able to disable a reaction to make it less messy

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Decided to add on to the “what happens if 2 units with same icd try to apply at the same time”

-It will prioritize the unit that is closer to the enemy

[peak storm]

is this gonna be like genshin or something stand out from every elemental reactions

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Very similar to Genshin in terms of mechanics, 90% of reactions from the doc are made by me tho

[white birch]

take a wild guess (hint: look at the picture)

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+an extra reaction for holy element

[keen fulcrum]

Id still prefer a system where you counter other elements instead ngl

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That was also included in the suggest?

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But out of curiosity why would you prefer that over reactions and etc?

[keen fulcrum]

Reactions just seem like too much, and a basic system of elemental counters still allows for people to make specified teams to beat certain stages, so I dont see the point

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Reactions seem pretty basic to me, but I’m probably biased. I personally wouldn’t mind element countering too but would love to see some innovative in the atd games

[keen fulcrum]

Fair enough

[feral sand]

just add physical and magic

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Increased the percentage of winning and losing elements

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Why not the rest tho?

[feral sand]

too much work for the devs to do

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Yeah that’s probably true unfortunately…

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game awards was truly amazing...

[white birch]

Genshin lost to black myth right?

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Yeah, but I’m not surprised tbf

Genshin fell off since Natlan

[white birch]

Yeah natlan was garbage compared to sumeru and fontaine

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[near breach]

Were back the purge has ended

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absolute wild day in this discord
fate update confirmed(hype)
3 devs left the team(not hype)

[feral sand]

fate update is not hype

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nah it is

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[white birch]

@split seal yo chat guess what

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what

[white birch]

Check the upd log

They actually added some form of elemental reactions

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big W