All Of Them / Sınce Release

[thin sand]

First of all, I want to say that what I say here is not something I saw any game. If I have to say something like that, I will state it in that message. I am writing this with translation. If there are any mistakes, let me know and I will explain in detail.

1 / Passives of Units ⭐

''Mimi suppresses the aura of the ghosts/enemies she attacks, slowing their movements.''```

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2 / Summon and rarity system ⭐ (Read 6.1 after this)
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The summoning system in the game is not sufficient and needs a few adjustments. I cannot give detailed advice right now. But about the Occult Banner. Why is every new unit EXCLUSIVE? If so, shouldn't they be rare? It's not uncommon at all, I have exactly 7 pwenny's. And from other units too... If everyone can get it easily, why not Mystic?
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This system needs some tuning. Make it harder to get units. And show that it's worth taking them. People should waste their time on these. He should spend it so that it is valuable and he feels good.

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3 / Gameplay and Gameplay Content

3.1 / Story
I don't think there is much of a mistake or disturbing situation in the story part. I think it's going pretty well. I only saw problem in Shibuya. ACT 4 is harder than 5 and 6. Things like this can be looked at carefully.

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3.2 / Raid

I will explain these details in the next paragraphs because it gets into the innovations.```
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3.3 / Challenges ⭐
It might be nice to add new categories such as Easy - Normal - Extremely Difficult. More challenges should come to the game. And within them. The things I mentioned here should be added

3.4 / Tournaments

Their content is very nice and people put effort into it. But lately I see that people almost don't. Almost 30 people in my class did it.```
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4 / Interface and similar systems.

*4.1 / Skin and Familars UI * ⭐
We see that these are included in the Unite section. When things like this come up in the future, I don't think it will fit here. An NPC or other interface can be made for this.

4.2 / Raid,Sprit shop and Interface
First of all, I don't hate rengoku, but. I think the raid shop NPC should have a more global design. Maybe a trader, I don't know.
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4.3 / Map selection interface. ⭐
Please put a scroll bar in this interface. Some people's mice are not working properly. Sometimes when I try to play from different platforms, I cannot scroll down and select the maps.

4.4 / Enemy Index
The interfaces here are out of date. Additionally, the statistics here may have a reward. (just the suggestion is not interesting)
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4.5 / Crafting
There is literally no content here.
[UPDATED] Yes, I mentioned empty content. Because a lot of content can be added here. Different evo materials can be added to units. Or if the 2nd evo comes, new production schemes can be added.

*4.6 / Leaderboard * ⭐
I am in favor of removing the interface in this profile section and adding it somewhere on the map. It looks like it's stuck there.
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4.7 / Areas UI ⭐
In this small interface, you can click directly into the square instead of the small Green Teleport section.

4.8 / Collection UI Npc ⭐
It seems a bit confusing that the units in the interface in this section are both with and without EVO. You can add a separate setting for the versions with an Evo and make only the standard ones.
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4.9 / Titles

Occult Event: ''Ghost And Alien Fan'' ,, Boss Events: ''Strongest sorcerer''```

*4.10 / Cosmetics* ![OASIS_green_circle](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/900009063780331540.webp?size=128 "OASIS_green_circle") 
~~```Some cosmetics are broken```~~ 
```[UPDATED] I mentioned that some cosmetics are broken. I will also say this. We can determine the Shiny and similar cosmetics that will be added in the future with a survey.```
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4.11 / In-game interfaces.
in-game ending animation. Let characters and bosses have bubbles that pop out with the words they say. They all need to be reviewed. There are some unnecessary things. But I won't lie... The statues... They are... Alive? ```[UPDATED] Here, the material animation determined at the end of the game can be skipped. Maybe there could be a ''[SKIP]'' button on the top right of the screen.

In addition, the bubbles that appear during the game for the characters can be turned on and off from the settings section. Because after a while it can be annoying. We can also include story ones for the maps. But here, a supporter said ''This is a very helpful system for people who are new to the game, so it can't be removed.'' Yes, I agree with that. I won't lie, it's very cool... [[ The statues... They are... Alive? ]]```
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5 / Innovative Suggestions

5.1 / Items

(Yes, I say this because I saw it from AA)```

*5.2 / Game content recommendations.* ![OASIS_green_circle](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/900009063780331540.webp?size=128 "OASIS_green_circle") 
~~```In other words, different modes can be added, whether it is raids, challenges, stories or boss events.```~~
```[UPDATED] That is, new things can be added to the game modes currently in the game (raids, bossruns, challges, ...).```
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5.3 / Surveys and communication between players. ⭐
Whether it's units coming to the Battlepass, content for the next update, or systems that will be added, some of these can be asked through surveys. Many people complain about the content that's being made. Communication is key.

5.4 / Gameplay strategies and mechanics.

Hybrids. Flying units, Shiny enemies, Tank enemies, enemies that can't be stunned.

I don't know...```
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6 / Important things I might have forgotten to add.

6.1 / Rarities and secret and exclusives. ⭐

```I feel the need to explain again because this is one of the topics I focus on the most.

Now I made a small explanation in the 2nd paragraph. The new units coming to the game come as exclusives. I really don't want this. Actually, I know it's too early to say this because we are only in v1.75. But know that a tree bends when it is young.

The reason I complain is that there are so many exclusive units but few mystic units. There are 14-15 mystics (if I remember correctly) and 13 exclusives in the game. If these characters are going to be limited-time units, I think they should be strong. Because on the one hand they are hard to get, on the other hand they are very easy. This may surprise you a little. If such exclusive units are going to come, for example ''If 3 new exclusive units are going to be added, 6 new mystics should be added'' This will maintain the balance of units and rarities in the game.

The second thing I want to mention is the promotion of a mystic unit to a secret class. Why is there such a system? If there is going to be one, it should be in a different way. For example:

[Banner Unit] : Gojo (Non Evo Mystic) > Gojo (Evo Mystic) > Gojo (Evo2 secret unit)

The materials required for Evo2 can be obtained through events or various things.```

6.2 / Placement bugs.
There are some places in the game where units cannot be placed. I think these should be examined in more detail with tester members before release.

6.3 / Ingame arts.
Shiny star interface looks like genshin impact star. This looks a bit bad. I will tell a little lie to change it. (Genshin impact may copyright.)
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***That's all for now, please don't bully me because of the things I write. These are things I think about the development of this game. Even if I say personal things, they are opinions. If there is anything you want to mention or think should be changed, please state it.

If there are things I forgot to add, I will add them later. I hope nothing bad happens to me because of what I wrote...***

#1317896976087515166 : 6.1 Mini Suggestion.

[hard light]

We already got vanguard as rarer exclusives. About the "i have 7 pweeny, it's easy to get" thing, not everyone has time to grind for the occult event. Hell even i don't even have a pweeny rn.

[thin sand]

Yes, you are right about bad luck, actually the drop rates are low.

What I'm talking about is why this unit is exclusive. If you notice, the secret class seems more obtainable in the game's interface. But when we look at the odds, they both seem equal in this event.

I think exclusive units should come less frequently.

The reason why this character is currently exclusive is that it is not included in the update as a story mode.

Additionally, even BattlePass drops exclusives. This is acceptable, but the new exclusives do not have a sub-character.

When we look at Rengoku, Akaza comes mystically in the upcoming update.

The other thing I'm saying here is why a mystical character becomes a secret class.

All Of Them / Sınce Release

[dawn fable]

exclusive units will be tradeable but secrets and mythics wont be

and for them to drop trading earlier they need exclusive units

will make people wanting to grind for the unit to get value

they have to make MORE exclusive units

Exclusive shows above Secret as Exclusive is limited while Secret can be obtained whenever

Those units will be gone, but will alucard leave the banner?

[ebon nest]

tons of units have passives that don't just boost stats, it's hard to come up with unique passives/abilities for every unit/passive. and if you just copy/reuse the same ability (like toji shield break) then it will make units like toji redundant.

[ebon nest]

Diavolo is rare. the other exclusive units are also decently rare, on average 200 summons, which is like 3h of farming, most players can't play for multiple hours a day, so getting an exclusive will feel valuable to most.

[thin sand]

I'm not saying it shouldn't come, I'm just saying that if it's going to be this exclusive, it has to have other things added to it. Mystics have a lot of substance as characters.

Why don't they sprinkle in a little mystic?

[dawn fable]

It's a limited time event?

this event will leave when the devs decide to remove

these units wont be achievable neither the event wont be playable after it gets removed

[ebon nest]

if you want to know why index is out of date

[ebon nest]

wdym crafting has no content, it's just crafting.

[ebon nest]

cosmetic being broken is a bug, will be fixed eventually

[ebon nest]

" But I won't lie... The statues... They are... Alive?"
that's a hint to new players to check the side statues
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[ebon nest]

more familiars will be added, and some of Valentine evo items drop from enemies

[thin sand]

Let's take Rengoku as an example. This unit is currently unobtainable. It is true, but it is possible to get different characters from the same series, for example Akaza and Tengen. It's a little strange to be satisfied with only 3 exclusives. You can think of it as something like there's nothing else on the table but steak. (from the same series)

[ebon nest]

more gamemodes will be added, that should be obvious

[dawn fable]

Rengoku was a raid

this one is a dungeon

WHICH will be leaving with the UNITS and THE EVENT

U cannot give rengoku as an example

he was a "Raid %" unit

unlike these units they're in "Special banner" with "special currency" that will be leaving

[ebon nest]

devs have already been communicating very much, and communication has increased even more. they communicate in normal chat, announcements, polls, interviews etc, I suggest watching https://youtu.be/Y2p17L9VDWw

[thin sand]

Dude, both are exclusive units. No matter where it comes from, it won't be obtainable after a while in the game. And we will probably never see new characters from that series.

[ebon nest]

flying units will never be a thing fyi, but more mechanics will definitely be added

[dawn fable]

?

@ebon nest can u answer him for me bro

[ebon nest]

exclusives are like limited mythics, while vanguard is like limited secret, exclusives are already decently difficult to obtain

[thin sand]

Ok what's diffrent dandan units and rengoku ?

[dawn fable]

Event and a normal exclusive unit?

[ebon nest]

placement bug is already known about, bugs go in #1255566269814407169 not here

[ebon nest]

wat?

[thin sand]

Dude, are you telling me these are different?

[ebon nest]

I didn't read any of the new messagess

[dawn fable]

He's saying that what is the difference between Rengoku and Dandadan units

Why are dandadan units exclusives if theyre basically "mythics"

which is a common sense but wtever

[ebon nest]

exclusive doesn't mean they are good/better than mythics, it just indicates that they are limited

[thin sand]

@ebon nest Tnx for your mssges

[halcyon raven]

Just add new enemies, stats of how much you killed them (and other stats like heatlh) and all.
the lore itself may not be written, but I want to see the statistics, but I don't see any pictures of Valentine (whom I received) or Diego

[thin sand]

This is what I'm talking about, it's done to quickly process the series with these characters. Why not a Dandan story? The same story comes with the event and we also see other characters. Now, for the sake of 3 units, maybe we won't be able to see the other characters in that series.

This is valid not only for Dandan but for all future units.

[dawn fable]

only main numbers are story modes

1.0 2.0 3.0

[ebon nest]

x.0 updates come with stories

[vague moss]

I have a question how much wisp on average would it take to get diavolo?

[dawn fable]

3M average

for around %50-%60 odds

[vague moss]

Ok Ty

[thin sand]

I know this, it's just that in the interim updates, the series are thrown out like half-eaten apples.

And this appears before us as a so-called exclusive.

[dawn fable]

You know just that they made a update doesnt mean it wont be coming back

This 1.5 update was a

Late Halloween Event

And they even gave a cod saying "HalloweenWasLastMonth"

[ebon nest]

the in between updates are filler updates for content, they never said that they would be done with the series, like look at #「📊」game-polls

[thin sand]

Of course they will come, but rest assured, this system will get messy at some point. I have seen many examples.

[dawn fable]

What are those examples?

[thin sand]

Other games.

[dawn fable]

I'm asking what those examples are ik you mean other games

[thin sand]

From the experiences I gained from all the TD and similar games I played before playing AV. I am not criticizing AV, but my ancestors have a saying: "A tree bends while it is young."

[thin sand]

3 days ago... This is a big step, we need to congratulate.

[languid carbon]

exclusive doesnt have to mean its rare. it just means its time limited what r u on?

do u want every event unit to be a diavolo ? 💀

[languid carbon]

hell no , exclusives are the only tradables (including "vanguard" rarity) if u make them op then there's no point in actually grinding. simply trade for the meta team. and once the meta units are no longer obtainable everyone who joins later is out of luck

[dawn fable]

Step 1 : wait for them to add trading
Step 2 : Buy gamepasses as gifts
Step 3 : Trading gamepasses to those units
Final Step 4 : Roll traits on those units
Now you're overpowered

[languid carbon]

daily tournaments 😭 who the hell will be making them 🙏 we have "weekly" (more like a week and a half) tournaments and they still show up with hella bugs. daily tournaments are a recipe for disaster lets have some common sense

[languid carbon]

would make leaderboard even more p2w limited than it already is

these suggestions are like.. actually horrible i dont know if i wanna continue 😭 he really lost me at daily tournaments

[languid carbon]

...? what's wrong with crafting u literally just have the essence stones to craft.. do u want them to make a whole animation for crafting? 💀

[languid carbon]

more titles is a solid suggestion 😪 i'll give u that

[languid carbon]

familiars are quite literally "relics" 🙏 just wait. we'll get more of these "relics" within the next updates

[languid carbon]

"secret exclusives" are a horrible idea.. which the devs already added as "vanguard" units 😐

[languid carbon]

why not 😭 it shows that said unit really got a "buff" from its evolution. this opens doors for future evos like AA's Aizen. maybe a legendary unit that evolves into a mythical. why should the devs limit themselves to the starting rarity

[thin sand]

Dude, I didn't say anything like that. If there are officially 100 units in the game, do you now understand why half of them are exclusive units?

[languid carbon]

ur messages arent making any sense im assuming english isnt your first language

having alot of exclusives isnt necessarily a bad thing. it isnt a good thing but it isnt a bad thing either

they are limited. so its natural to have alot of them , as ones become unobtianable more show up

its more of a lack of mythicals than an excess of exclusives

[thin sand]

By daily tournaments I mean short and automated games, they are not that difficult. Maybe :P

[languid carbon]

???

short automated games wth 😭

and what do u mean by not that difficult?? unless you want them to copy paste the exact same c*de every day it is difficult

[thin sand]

It can be thought through and developed in detail. This is just an idea, there is no way they can do this nowadays, but it is something that can be noted. I don't understand why you emphasized this so much. ?

And the emojis say it all, as if what you wrote was written only to humiliate.

[languid carbon]

no

emojis are there to lighten the message

[thin sand]

No, more crafts can be brought in. It's interesting that you interpret this differently.

[languid carbon]

like what?

"interpret this differently" all u said was crafting is empty

as far as i see

the crafting is about as full as it gets unless u want evo items to be craftable too

which is a bad idea

if my messages are only there to humiliate then your suggestions are only there to complain , all you really did was say "this should be changed , why is this like this , why is that like that. i dont like this" without giving any ideas

[thin sand]

My friend, I think that maybe these can be crafted in the future with the familiar "relic" logic you just mentioned above. Why are you thinking in such a self-restricted way?

Are you sure you're living your life? I hope you're not trapped in a closed room.

[languid carbon]

one of your "suggestions" was literally called "cosmetics" and all you did was complain about them being broken

[thin sand]

You're not criticizing me right now, you're just humiliating me, man, look at your emojis, why don't you use emojis now? xd You think you're funny and I guess you're smart.

[languid carbon]

i am criticizing your suggestion

if you yourself feel humiliation then its your own issue

[thin sand]

This was not a suggestion. I suggested fixing this bug. Are you okay?

[languid carbon]

maybe fix that before asking me if im trapped in a closed room

[languid carbon]

im fine 👀 ur not tho i guess. i'd suggest u go to #1255566269814407169 if ur "suggesting" fixing bugs

[languid carbon]

i really cant take u seriously with the broken english and the hilarious messages 😭 🙏 goodnight lil bro i've said what i had

[thin sand]

Can you leave ? xd

Im not very good englsh for you

[languid carbon]

feel free to take what i've said as a suggestion or as an insult. you feeling humiliated doesnt define what i said

[thin sand]

You just harrasing and pls stop :)

[languid carbon]

yeah i am 😋

[thin sand]

So, did you just admit that you humiliated me? :D

Great job my friend

[languid carbon]

if u believe so 🤷‍♂️ :)

now can u stop with the pings 😪 u asking me to leave then pinging is hilarious

[thin sand]

I wrote this title wrong, you could have asked this, you were just rambling on and on, I don't see that I wrote anything to get something called secret exclusive, if you understand what you read and give answers and feedback, we can improve this community and the game. What I'm talking about here is why a mystical unit becomes a secret class. If it is going to turn into a secret unit, let's get it secretly.

[languid carbon]

now ur blocked 🙏

keep pinging 😪

[thin sand]

I just reply your question are u ok ?

Im not ınterested you you can leave bro

huh ?

I don't want you to mislead other people.

[thin sand]

Yes, it actually can be, but it should not be directly mystic > secret.

Maybe mystic > mystic(evo) > secret.

What I'm talking about is called balancing.

I mentioned this in the category of my suggestion.

[thin sand]

When I first started the sentence, I mentioned that there might be some mistakes because I wrote it by translating it. We can help me fix it and make something good happen.

[thin sand]

In this part, Leni gave me the necessary answer. I can remove it from here, but it would be remarkable if it stopped. Maybe they can give priority to this, we don't know.

[thin sand]

I also remember that they mentioned that trade would not be added easily, I don't know if I'm remembering correctly.

I think I touched on very good points in this article. I may have written something wrong in some places. But even they can add something to the game.

If I could understand English and answer quickly, I would really explain myself better.

I would hope some people would fix it, not hinder it.

Have a good day

[fleet bronze]

It’s exclusive bc it’s not gonna stay forever but you already know this

[fleet bronze]

4.8 means more gems tho

Bump

[thin sand]

What u mean more gems

[fleet bronze]

Like when u get a unit you claim it in the collection for gems then when u Evo it u can claim it again

[thin sand]

We already have in game

I just suggetion collection ui hide evo units in standart ui if we choose evo units (selection) we see evo units

[fleet bronze]

Ohhh ok

[thin sand]

Bump

[torpid verge]

Not all exclusives will be meta, that's a given. "Exclusive" effectively means limited

that's the criteria

not the usability of the unit

[torpid verge]

Crafting in most games is just evo items. You can't really "add more content" to it, unless you just make some other things like stat chips craftable.

I don't disagree with everything here

[versed prairie]

Good

devs should see this

[thin sand]

I can say that it is hard to think and you are right. But various things can be added here. I think things like ''Familars'' can be produced in the future. (Relics look like). Some say that ''Familars'' is called relic. But this is a bit illogical.

This is the only buff that does not change.
Of course, similar things will come in the future.

So it is not only this. For example, if a character that can be evo'd twice comes, similar things can be added to produce a rarer material. I think it would be good if the materials used as upgrades were more and wider.

[torpid verge]

I mean this is the first "familiar" we have rn

there'll obviously be more in the future

[thin sand]

I didn't mention it as meta. I just mentioned that there are too many.

Since there are too many, it limits the game a lot. I will give 2 images as an example.

First, look at the mystic image, there are exactly 13 mystics here. Sukuna, Gojo, Valentine are not included.

In the second image, there are 13 exclusives.

Don't you think this is very unbalanced?

If all the characters that will appear in the game will be of this rarity, why would I be happy to say that I have a rare character?

It also has to be as powerful as it is rare. It's like everyone is playing with 'epic' characters.

[torpid verge]

i can agree with the sentiment that these new dandadan units shouldnt have been exclusive

[silk palm]

exclusives are just for trading

[torpid verge]

Yeah

My interpretation is that they made the dandadan units exclusive

to make it so there's more to trade

in the future

[thin sand]

Maybe. But the fact that there are so many does not change.

[torpid verge]

eh

you could maybe reduce the no. by 3

[thin sand]

👍

[torpid verge]

the rest still make complete sense

the only units so far that shouldnt have been exclusive

are the 3 dandadan units

[thin sand]

What are the things you disagree with?

[thin sand]

A tree bends while it's young, my friend. If it continues like this, we will say it shouldn't have happened for all of them.

[torpid verge]

that's honestly about it.

[thin sand]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[torpid verge]

You're not fundamentally wrong

but I dont see a single other exclusive

that could be made mythic

the 3 battle pass units ofc will have to be exclusives

rengoku, seiko and diego have their rarity since they're limited

they could in theory be secrets like igris

but unlike him

[silk palm]

dandandan are exclusives too cause they are limited

[torpid verge]

they go away

[torpid verge]

i understand that's the logic

but you can tell the difference between the quality of mimi and toji

it's a bit of a nitpick, on my end

but still

[thin sand]

I'm not against it but if they continue like this they should bring more mystics in every patch.

They just keep adding special characters. The reason I complain is basically because there are too few mystics and that's because we're only at v1.75 but they should have done it in a balanced way.

😔

[torpid verge]

1.5 was an exception tbh

if you take away those 3

the number of exclusives was fine

again, i understand the "exclusives shouldn't be too many in number"

but can you think a single exclusive

that can be removed from that category

besides the dandadan ones

[sick pewter]

alr let me read this this looks interesting

[sick pewter]

-on your suggestion regarding passives
coldest take in the book, dont disagree with you at all

-on your suggestion regarding summoning
occult banner is an event banner, which is why the units are exclusive
a unit does not have to be top of the meta to be desirable
at the same time i think it shouldnt be an excuse to make an exclusive unit shit

-on your suggestion regarding gameplay
the modes are good when assessing it according to the aa formula
but they are not that much better than the aa formula
i know they can do better (i am working on my document to address this issue)

and yes i think varying challenge difficulties is definitely needed

tournaments i guess are fine as is but by design they are stale and repetitive imo

-on your suggestion regarding interfaces
enemy index needs to be fleshed out and actually a meaningful feature in the game instead of something people only interact with for 30 seconds out of the 100s of hours of their playtime
i agree that there needs to be much more crafting content
i both agree and disagree with adding more titles- while there should be more titles, they should be a symbol of prestige and not just awarded to you for evoing a unit (erm shadow monarch)

i wont comment on the small changes you suggest since idrc either way

-on your suggestion regarding innovation
yes we need more polls/surveys and AHEAD OF TIME announcements about update information instead of them telling us rengoku is leaving the raid 2 HOURS BEFORE LAUNCH
while i generally agree with your sentiment, you do need to do your own due diligence and explain some potential solutions to adding new item/enemy/mechanic types instead of just identifying the problem and leaving it to the devs to come up with a solution

-on your suggestion regarding additional features
im sure they will be adding a lot more mythics to the banner starting from now (we got 4 mythics in 1.75)
i also think its strange a mythic evolves into a secret

[sick pewter]

it is NOT hard to come up with passives im sorry

especially since you are just ripping characters from anime and not designing your own unit from scratch

[sick pewter]

exclusive content = limited content = temporary content = content new players will need to trade for later on in order to obtain

this is not healthy for the game and there needs to be a sizeable base of mythics in the standard banner that are permanent additions to the game

[dawn fable]

nice opinion but doesnt change the fact that they need to bring trading early or they wont keep the playerbase ongame

for long

[distant thicket]

but too many mythics and you hit AA's roadblock of the meta exchanging or completely flipping over every update based off sheer availability to efficiency

[sick pewter]

you can release new units that dont powercreep? i dont understand how people dont get this

[sick pewter]

trading is not necessary. maybe to satisfy roblox brainrot, but not to make a good game

[distant thicket]

powercreep isn't linear for TD games, but it will always be there, especially for games like these

[sick pewter]

then how do other gacha games survive with hundreds of characters??

[distant thicket]

what's this about gacha? I'm talking about tower defense

[sick pewter]

powercreep has nothing to do with it being a tower defense and all to do with how its a gacha/live service game

[distant thicket]

it has more to do with a tower defense, because that's the actual gameplay?

[sick pewter]

😮‍💨 have you even played a tower defense that isnt on roblox or btd6?

i.e. a tower defense that isnt also live service?

you assume tower defense games have powercreep because you have only played tower defenses that are ALSO live service

[distant thicket]

what part of btd 6 is live service bro

it's a paid service that can be completed with 0 requirenment of multiplayer

[fair sentinel]

ight bro why is chat locked

they told us to DROP THE ANIME DOWN IN THE CHAT

AND THEY LOCK THE CHAT NOT EVEN 1 MINUTE IN

[sick pewter]

btd 6 release regular limited time events, new units, etc. to consistently keep players engaged

plus there is leaderboards to continue to drive engagement consistently long term

[fleet bronze]

Why are they locking grind chat?

[sick pewter]

so back to my question then @distant thicket have you played any non live-service tower defenses?

[fair sentinel]

Because these fucking admins cant handle 5 minutes of spam

They think its the end of the world or something

[sick pewter]

what was the cause of spam

[fair sentinel]

#「📊」game-polls

owner told us to LITERALLY

drop a name in chat

and they LOCKDOWN THE CHAT

WHEN WE DO WHAT THEY ASKED

[sick pewter]

what name

[fleet bronze]

they act like we still cant type here

[fair sentinel]

an anime

read

[sick pewter]

dont text wall theyre gonna add cooldowns to this channel

[distant thicket]

I took a break because you're genuinely so confidenly illiterate it's insane

[sick pewter]

resorting to ad hominem 😮‍💨 classic

tell me you have no point without telling me you have no point

[distant thicket]

BTD 6 is a paid service, not free to play
its updates do not revolve around linear additions of monetized new content
all of its main content including the different maps, difficulties and challenges can be completed with or without multiplayer
their updates are often non-additive other than a boss even or balance changes

have YOU even played btd 6?

[sick pewter]

live service does not = all content is monetized

live service means that content is regularly added over a long term life cycle instead of having all content avialable on launch

[distant thicket]

that's every game genius

[sick pewter]

no it isnt

[distant thicket]

okay then define content

[dawn kayak]

What happened to Andrevious dev did he leave av?

[sick pewter]

wdym define content? anything added to the game that is for the purpose of player retention

[distant thicket]

right? that's exactly what I think! And that means things like balance patches are also content! And name a modern game that doesn't place balance patches or in any way whatsoever alters their game after initial launch?

[sick pewter]

balance patches are defensive not offensive. they are to maintain game quality meanwhile live service updates are designed to encourage players to continue playing. a balance change doesnt encourage a player to continue playing nearly as much, if at all

[distant thicket]

right so if a game has a tilted meta that makes half its content inexcusably worse than just picking the better portion of content is then patched to balance itself out this does not in any way make players want to go back to it?

[sick pewter]

then that is called a rework at that point not a balance change

have you seen elden ring publish a rework?

[distant thicket]

are you a troll?

like actually are you being dumb on purpose?

[sick pewter]

womp womp, yeah a balance patch obviously is designed to signficantly change the content of a game? sure 😮‍💨

[distant thicket]

it sure is a shame you could show so much forethought in your review of this post but your intellect is reworked right out of your brain right after

or should I say balanced patched?

[sick pewter]

is overwatch 6v6 change to 5v5 a balance change or rework just curious?

[bronze steppe]

the answer is a rework btw

[distant thicket]

I don't know man, sounds like they're changing something for the balance of the game

[sick pewter]

yes according to your definition that overwatch change is a "balance change" when nearly everyone including the ow devs call it a REWORK

[bronze steppe]

yeah gotta agree with this baboon guy

[distant thicket]

you're fighting an umbrella term with another umbrella term my guy

[sick pewter]

sorry, a balance change doesnt change the way content functions, it fixes content that isnt functioning the way it was intended to be in the first place

[distant thicket]

except most balance patches are made for things functioning as intended but not in conjuction with the rest of the game

[sick pewter]

i.e it doesnt function... wow 😱

[distant thicket]

are you stupid

[sick pewter]

forget this you completely diverted the conversation to this, im asking you if youve ever played a non-live service tower defense game

[grim summit]

Baboon why are you always in a argument

[sick pewter]

i try to make a point but then people start insulting me when they disagree

[distant thicket]

accuse me of diverting the conversation when you were the one who brought up live service after the disussion was originally about powercreep in Tower Defense games is crazy

[sick pewter]

thats not me diverting thats me countering your point, you were the one who hyperfixated on this one detail of my question as a way to dodge my question

[grim summit]

Lemme read all of this rq

[distant thicket]

your question that had nothing to do with the original topic, it's not a diversion if it's a seperate topic

it's just starting a new argument

[bronze steppe]

I thought of it like a courtroom where lawyers ask stupid questions that end up having relevance once you answer

[sick pewter]

no im literally proposing a different take on the conversation by saying powercreep is not a result of it being a tower defense but because its live service

and i use the question (like money said) to illustrate my point with your answer

[distant thicket]

this is very seperate from a courtroom but that's a fair point

[distant thicket]

so why word your question in a way that's attacking my playtime spent on tower defenses

which is also irrelevant

[bronze steppe]

well of course, I just wanted to give proper context on how I saw it

[sick pewter]

you never asnwered that question either

i wasnt attacking it either but asking a question but maybe the 😮‍💨 emoji was passive aggressive sorry for that

[distant thicket]

I didn't answer your question because it had no relevance and you don't even do enough research to understand what live-service means and no the emojis mean nothing to me you're fine on that

I mean if you're going to attempt to prove a point at least know what kind of hill you're dying on

[sick pewter]

think of what the two words "live" and "service" means

they are serving you content LIVE and OVER TIME instead of offering you the full scope of content on launch

[grim summit]

So this is an argument about live service?????

[sick pewter]

is btd 6 live service

[distant thicket]

more or less

[grim summit]

Yeah?

[sick pewter]

tell that to this guy

[distant thicket]

Hoh my god

[grim summit]

I think? I know they add new towers every now and then

[bronze steppe]

I think it was power creep and became "do non live service games experience power creep?" but Baboon asked rather vaguely so it devolved into a horrible argument

[distant thicket]

games like Fortnite and Marvel Rivals are live service

because they add significant portions of content (mainly including microtransactions) time

[grim summit]

Any game that receives content updates are live service?

[distant thicket]

while staying a free-to-play experience

[grim summit]

I’m not understanding

[distant thicket]

BTD 6 is not f2p

[sick pewter]

oh brother

[distant thicket]

it does not have an indefinite stream of "monetized" new content

[grim summit]

So?????

Dawg what are you talking about

[bronze steppe]

Games as a service or live service games can close eventually so that nobody can play, right? That's what separates it from something like BTD6 and BTD5, where, even after updates stop, it's still playable?

[distant thicket]

YES EXACTLY

LIVE SERVICE IS PURELY RELIANT ON ITS MULTI-SERVER GAMEPLANS

IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND MONETIZED GAME MODEL

[sick pewter]

this has nothing to do with server support

[distant thicket]

TF2 is live service and abandoned.

[bronze steppe]

That last part is a LIE.

It got an update like last month?? two months ago??

[distant thicket]

TF2 is live service and abandoned.

[sick pewter]

that proves nothing

[distant thicket]

it completely disproves everything highlighted on both of those images

[sick pewter]

thats because it is no longer "live" i.e supported by the devs

it follows the definition

[bronze steppe]

What dictates abandoned

If it very recently got an update, that doesn't sound like abandoned

[sick pewter]

or that ig

[distant thicket]

dang really

[distant thicket]

the only reason they call it "live" is because it has SERVERS THAT PEOPLE PLAY ON, LIVE

[distant thicket]

TF2 WASN'T UPDATED FOR YEARS UNTIL RECENTLY AND WAS STILL "LIVE" SERVICE BECAUSE THE SERVERS WEREN'T SHUT DOWN

THAT IS HOW IT WORKS

[sick pewter]

need i say more

[distant thicket]

yes

[bronze steppe]

Oh, then yes!

[silk palm]

8 years without major update 😭

[bronze steppe]

If a game relies on servers, then it's live service. Eventually, those servers will close and the game will no longer be playable. That is the proper description of a live service game

[distant thicket]

wow isn't that exact thing I've been trying to tell Baboon this entire time

[bronze steppe]

Anything else is stupid. "Designed to continuously update" is literally any game that releases in Early Access. Terraria, Minecraft, Skyrim, DBZ Kakarot, etc

[bronze steppe]

don't hate a guy for not wanting to read up on the declaration of independence

[sick pewter]

this is a fallacy, live services rely on long term player retention which is usually ACHIEVED BY MULTIPLAYER which is FACIILITATED BY SERVERS

[distant thicket]

wow you just imploded your entire argument with your own message

[sick pewter]

no?

[bronze steppe]

Live Services do not RELY on long term play retention. servers can be kept up for games with zero players

That's just silly

[distant thicket]

Concord 💀

[bronze steppe]

Live Services RELY on their services to continue being live 😭 i.e their servers being up

[sick pewter]

thats how a company goes bankrupt genius. i.e the serves CAN NOT be kept up

[bronze steppe]

BTD6 is not a live service game because their servers can go down at any time and you still have a totally playable game

[distant thicket]

so if BTD 6 shut down its multiplayer services the entire rest of the majority content is now completely unplayable?

[distant thicket]

yes

[sick pewter]

yes but at that point there is no longer anything to keep players retained from that point on except for the static state of the game it is in, transitioning it into a non-live service game

[bronze steppe]

this would also be a fallacy I believe, I just don't know which one and I don't feel like looking at the list of fallacies

[bronze steppe]

It never was a live service game to begin with. It never relied on a live service for content. It never relied on servers for content

[distant thicket]

in what world do you think shutting down multiplayer servers means the game stops getting updated? That would only be how it works IF BTD6 WAS A GAME LIKE FORTNITE OR MARVEL RIVALS THAT RELY ENTIRELY ON ACTIVE MULTIPLAYER SERVERS

[bronze steppe]

I don't even know what the original argument was, but now it's the definition of a live service game, which is obviously a game that requires servers or internet. A game that requires a service to be live. BTD6 does NOT require a service to be live

[distant thicket]

watch him pivot and defend himself with semantics!

[grim summit]

Went from power creep —-> are balance changes content —-> is btd6 a live service or service game?

It indeed is a service game after doing a bit of reading

[sick pewter]

lol most of the events rely on servers for leaderboards

[distant thicket]

so the event itself, which is singleplayer, is unplayable because no leaderboards?

[bronze steppe]

you mean the online optional leaderboards

woah...

[sick pewter]

yes that makes it a live service, just because its optional doesnt mean its not in use

[sick pewter]

thus this

[bronze steppe]

You mean an aspect of the game is live service

Does having an aspect make the WHOLE GAME live service all of a sudden?

I'll definitely agree that it has live service aspects, but at its core, is not live service

[sick pewter]

idk why im even tlaking about this

we have fundamentally different definitions for what a live service is

[distant thicket]

I agree you should stop before you embarrass yourself more

[distant thicket]

EXCEPT YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON THE THOUGHT THAT THERE IS ONE OBJECTIVE DEFINITION?

[sick pewter]

this will always be the definition of a live service. period.

[bronze steppe]

You go off of google, I go off of what feels like common sense.

We are not the same

At that point, 90% of games EVER are live service

[sick pewter]

and that makes it less valid?

[bronze steppe]

If it ever recieves new content, live service

boom

[distant thicket]

yes because we've disproven it to your face multiple times but you're too scared to be wrong so you keep parroting the exact same thing

[bronze steppe]

I've tried multiple examples, each time I'm met with the same example, or a definition from google

[sick pewter]

womp womp i dont feel obligated to make you think im right? who are you again exactly? some guy in a discord server? i DONT CARE

[silk palm]

isnt btd6 half this and half no

[bronze steppe]

😭

[silk palm]

like you can play the single player without servers, but you couldnt play the boss or event stages

[grim summit]

Never played so I wouldn’t know

[distant thicket]

coming from someone who has spent this entire time crying and whining about live service and how everyone is wrong and you're right and only you can be right? Yes bro you must really not care

[bronze steppe]

You can play boss events without internet

but leaderboards are gone yeah

[sick pewter]

when did i say that "everyone is wrong and im right"

[distant thicket]

you can play the boss stages but it'd have to be single player, same with events

[distant thicket]

when did I say I was paraphrasing

[bronze steppe]

metaphor, hyperbole, exaggeration, I think it's one of those literacy tools

simile maybe

I think simile

no simile requires "like"

something along those lines

[sick pewter]

im asking you to show me when i implied that, just because its in quotes doesnt mean im asking you to find a direct quote

[distant thicket]

paraphrasing

[distant thicket]

it's the fact that you can't stop being right even when you're constantly shown otherwise

[sick pewter]

youre just proving that YOU think your right and im wrong

youre the one so concerned about this lol

i dont care

think whatever you want

[distant thicket]

the difference is that you're the one using the same stagnant argument and we're the ones adapting to your points and exclamations

[sick pewter]

im trying to have a discussion but you just keep resorting to insults

[bronze steppe]

yes we both think you are wrong
you also think we are wrong
we just argued for the better half of 30 minutes, I don't think you don't care

[sick pewter]

i have been doing so too

[silk palm]

😭

[sick pewter]

this was literally what i was saying to you guys?

[bronze steppe]

Discordia beef goes so hard in the afternoon...

[distant thicket]

so posting the same image definitions off your browser is adapting?

[sick pewter]

i can leave now if you want

[distant thicket]

he's funny because he's dumb! 😆

[sick pewter]

this guy is pressed because he actually feels so insecure that he has to go out of the way to insult someone to assert his point

[distant thicket]

you're insecure enough to project on me though

[sick pewter]

im pretty sure i care less about this convo than boxer

[grim summit]

Let’s not insult each other

[distant thicket]

very sorry pig

don't thumbs up me you troglodyte

[bronze steppe]

I don't care, trying to persuade people to change their thinking doesn't originate from malice. I won't speak for boxer though

[silk palm]

so who won

[bronze steppe]

neither of us

[silk palm]

is btd6 live service

[bronze steppe]

agree to disagree

[distant thicket]

on a technicality we won but that's because baboon gave up

[bronze steppe]

I believe it has aspects that are live service, but that doesn't make it a live service game at its core unlike something like Destiny 2 or uhhh Warframe or something like that

[distant thicket]

oops

[thin sand]

Thanks for your thoughts. Im on work now after I answer somthings

[thin sand]

I just got home and read your comment again, the part that caught my attention is '

while i generally agree with your sentiment, you do need to do your own due diligence and explain some potential solutions to adding new item/enemy/mechanic types instead of just identifying the problem and leaving it to the devs to come up with a solution''

As far as I understand.. I think you said that I should suggest a few systems. I actually thought about it a bit but I haven't been able to come up with something that is quite right yet.

i both agree and disagree with adding more titles- while there should be more titles, they should be a symbol of prestige and not just awarded to you for evoing a unit (erm shadow monarch)

I agree with you here, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

..

I couldn't explain myself properly in some places because I have bad English, I understand words at an average level, but it's really hard to speak because the sentences I make are not things like "hello or yes no"

I updated some things in my current post
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[alpine cliff]

No.

[alpine cliff]

ingame arts is already a thing ingame

[alpine cliff]

devs won't earn money if they make another evo version through their original version

[thin sand]

Dude, don't ghost ping the suggestions I opened, otherwise I will report you

[alpine cliff]

Surveys will be full of trolls, and braindead suggestions.
It might be good if they're asking what they want for the next update similar to how anime champions did it

[thin sand]

How do you know how they make or lose money in the current situation?

[thin sand]

Ummm ok ?

[alpine cliff]

Raid's gameplay is not that good...
It doesn't feel like an actual raid, the definition of raid is meant to be done with others difficult as it should to the point it's balanced where its solvable with uniques, or monarchs. We shouldn't be able to solo it using two units... Take an example at Stain's raid in AA. That's how a raid should be done, forcing everyone including you and the others to take the early defense unit seriously, however, I can understand why they're doing this... its lacking in enemies. we need some new enemy mechanics such as air and invent in hill units from now on so the game can be challenging because the game is period and having multiple monarchs just doesn't feel rewarding at least

[alpine cliff]

you don't need to change the story around because one act is more diffcult than the others....
There is way more important stuff for the devs to focus on rather than rebalancing the difficult for a game mode nobody gives a fuck about. You don't need to grind the story for xp nor food, am I right? you have raids for xp, inf for xp story is pointless, please do not touch the story at the moment right now

[thin sand]

For me, the gameplay is quite good, but we both state that we are open to innovations, which is a good thing!

[alpine cliff]

trading is confirmed to come, hence why they're adding a pill of exclusive units, uhh i'm surprised you do not know this as you know trading will make this game a lot of money so yeah you have a reason for that..

[thin sand]

This is not a situation of changing the story, this is an arrangement. These are the sacrifices we make to prevent new players from encountering these.

[alpine cliff]

Tournaments are already weekly? Changing them into biweekly is just asking you to kill the game, im so glad you're not a dev wtf is your take on this?

[thin sand]

What I'm talking about is not 'don't add exclusives to the game' but rather add more mystics to the game.

[thin sand]

I'm not a developer and I don't plan on being one. Why did you phrase it this way?

It's up to them whether they approve of this or not, you can have an opinion like me :P We are in the same status anyway.

😳 👍

[alpine cliff]

I'll talk about your suggestions later today, currently busy.

[thin sand]

No problem, we are open to your opinions. Have a good day

[exotic fog]

okorun mimi pweeny should be limited mythics and diavolo should be exclusive this feels more right

they should add limited mythics

[thin sand]

Limited mystics are already exclusive my friend..

Can you say what you said about Diavolo somewhere else, because it seems like it will drag this place into a lot of chaos. 💀

[exotic fog]

no pweeny and mimi these are useless units beside tournament because of their element but ım saying is they should be limited mythics like AA and diavolo should be exclusive not a new rarrity

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A different rarity is required. But what you say is not that bad.

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diavolo is pretty deserving of his rarity tbh

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200 stars, thank you for this, but is there anyone who can add to the things I suggested?

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Leni what about achivements will there be aded to every map or nah?

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