Buff Johnny/Second Evolution

[minor field]

Gyro? Buff?

He has the highest dps out of all new units

[sour kiln]

Lol yeah gyro is cooked

[slate narwhal]

a cost nerf

hes an infinite only character

[sour kiln]

Blud is tripping

[minor field]

Bro its the literal stats

Monarch Without Hakura Rin, Dont forget the balls passive to

[steel siren]

valentine has more, and that alone still doesn't make him good

[minor field]

not even close

gyro is highest by miles

[sour kiln]

100k max cost for 1 unit is diabolical with how little utility he provides

[minor field]

100k is the average in vanguards

[sour kiln]

Diego does more than this

[slate narwhal]

thats the thing u need to spend 90k to actually start farming for his golden state
which makes him useless for 90% of the match
hes an infinite only character

[steel siren]

gyro is doing more with the balls probs

[sour kiln]

100k yen?!?!?

[vocal valley]

the passive lowkey makes the dif

[sour kiln]

Eh, fair

[steel siren]

not a single dps chart ive seen so far has placed gyro above valentine

[minor field]

dont forget gyros balls too

[minor field]

Their problem

[steel siren]

valentine does more by himself and gets a 60% dps increase from his clones lol

[sour kiln]

Percocet aoe is buns though

[vocal valley]

why urs so bad

no passive or

[steel siren]

also this is with familiar buff

so

[sour kiln]

I was about to say

[steel siren]

not completely accurate

[minor field]

familiars buff by 0,1%

[steel siren]

no

[minor field]

Those are Hakura Rin Buffed

[sour kiln]

Clone dmg is not included in display iirc

[steel siren]

he's doing more than 20k dps without clones lol

[minor field]

Yeah and gyro's extra 50% aint either

[minor field]

🙅🏻‍♂️

[vocal valley]

first one is passive max no hakura other is passive and hakura

[steel siren]

monarch sukuna with max passives does like 28k

[sour kiln]

Valentine clones do way more than 50% gangnem thats where like half of his dps comes from

[steel siren]

what are we even talking about here

[minor field]

Stop yapping

This is about

Johnny

[vocal valley]

so idk why urs so bad maybe no passive maxed or some sh

[sour kiln]

You are the one who started arguing about gyro 😭

[minor field]

delusional but alr

[vocal valley]

gyro good dps but that aoe bro nobody will use him

[sour kiln]

Yes he wasnt starting any argument, you were the one yapping across multiple msgs about how gyro is the best in the update

[minor field]

We gotta talk about how ASS johnny is tho

[vocal valley]

hes a support

[sour kiln]

(Not) Higher dps than julias

[steel siren]

that doesn't mean much man

[minor field]

Still a worse support than both Toji and Gojo and has worse Aoe and DPS

[vocal valley]

julius 20k dps w hakura

ur lost

[sour kiln]

Asking johnny to be meta dps while also having perfect spin is diabolical

[minor field]

Naw just asking for him to not have ASS dps

[vocal valley]

i gotta give u that tho julius support but got good dps too so ig u got a lil point

[minor field]

no shit

[vocal valley]

Julius got more dps...

[minor field]

if i didnt have a point this wouldnt have 400 stars

[steel siren]

his support utility isn't exactly fascinating, is the thing

i'd much rather have julias as my support

[sour kiln]

Alr bruh you made your point

[steel siren]

than johnny

[minor field]

His utility literally only works on Late Game Bosses

[steel siren]

idk if johnny is being used anywhere in the game atm

[minor field]

Thats when u get spin and the ablity

The only place where i can see Johnny being meta is Boss Rush

[steel siren]

would he be meta there lol?

getting him into the golden state

is a pain

and he's not cheap either

[minor field]

Bros just all around shit ig

No units in vanguards are cheap, base cost in aa was like 60k-80k

in vanguards base cost is 100k

Huge difference

Makes units outside of monarch non useable

[steel siren]

i mean aa worked pretty differently

[sour kiln]

I think he needs an ability + passive rework more than anything else

[minor field]

Eh?

Same money numbers

same cost numbers

idk about it

[minor field]

Fr

[steel siren]

i agree

[minor field]

He literally got put in into the least work out of all new Units

[steel siren]

only having 1 passive

is crazy work

[minor field]

Buff Johnny's DPS/Rework Johnny

[minor field]

Im sayn

[steel siren]

just make it so his spa doesn't go up once he hits golden state

that's really just not much to ask for

[minor field]

And besides he's literally THE Main character

[steel siren]

ong

[minor field]

This would be equivalent of making Okarun a Support and Making Momo a DPS unit

[steel siren]

tbf idk if i really like any of the units besides diego

since diego's actually got staying power

good dps+better aoe than most units in the game+insane ability

and he's cheap to get to time stop

[sour kiln]

Yeah all other units mid tbh

[steel siren]

fv gets cucked by his reliance on monarch, and even then, idk wtf you use him for

[vocal valley]

Valentine lowkey better imo since gojo a better ts then Diego

[steel siren]

gyro's aoe is horrendous

[steel siren]

nah

diego's is a full map timestop

including the wave timer

[minor field]

Thats a bad thing

[vocal valley]

120 sec

[steel siren]

tourneys

[minor field]

Oh

SHi

true

[sour kiln]

Diego ts lasts 15 seconds

[slate narwhal]

hes used for the infinite spin

[sour kiln]

It scales the same as gojos

[steel siren]

hes not used anywhere atm

[minor field]

Oml and where are u gonna use the spin?

[steel siren]

lol

[minor field]

Aside from infinites?

[sour kiln]

Gojos is like 7 seconds per 60 sec cd

[minor field]

[minor field]

10

[steel siren]

is it exactly 15

i think it's longer

[steel siren]

its not even used in inf lmao

that's the sad part

[minor field]

Deadass?

[steel siren]

yeah

[minor field]

💀

[steel siren]

the support in inf cant carry him

what would you drop even

[minor field]

Whats the meta inf team btw?

[sour kiln]

Idk exactly but my point is duration/cooldown ratio is the same for both gojo and diego

[steel siren]

for support?

i think its

[sour kiln]

Lol diavolo mogs johnny in that regard

[minor field]

Who doesn't mog Johnny?

[steel siren]

haruka, sjw (igris buff for the rest of the people), diavolo, croc, julias(you gotta ensure you dont mess the gojo timeskip up).

the last unit depends

i think it's probably diego

[sour kiln]

One person brings alucard

(Ethereal)

[steel siren]

everyone brings alucard

alucard is insane

his dps with all passives max

[sour kiln]

Alucard damage is not good

[steel siren]

it is with max passives

[sour kiln]

Screenshot?

[steel siren]

dont have 1 with monarch

just go look at one

dont forget the bleed, wounded, 35% damage from summons and the 10% spa cut from summons

plus it's a full aoe

so

[sour kiln]

At most hes doing 60k dmg

[steel siren]

25% bleed

20% wounded

-10% spa

calc that

[sour kiln]

Ok

[steel siren]

and again, hes full aoe

that in of itself

is a huge benefit for inf

[wanton yacht]

[steel siren]

gojo is 18k dps

for reference

[minor field]

Way better support and way better dps than johnny, thats crazy

[steel siren]

i mean he's the banner secret tbh

there'd be smth wrong if he wasnt better lol

[minor field]

Dude johnnys whole thing is support

and he sucks in it

[sour kiln]

20% wounded applies to every unit

Which is why you only bring one

[steel siren]

not really

[sour kiln]

How does it not

[steel siren]

it does

but he's always getting it

it's like a perm buff for him

[sour kiln]

Yeah its a perm buff for everyone else too with ethereal alucard

[steel siren]

you can exclude that from his dps if you want

he's still doing rather high aoe dps

also nag had a triple z+

gojo is 18k

with triple godly

25% godlies at that

so

[sour kiln]

I mean ig everyone should still bring him bc hes full aoe

Thats a fair point

Big three of full aoe

[minor field]

Yeah gojo is 18.3k I can confirm that

[sour kiln]

Idk if tengen is worth it though

[steel siren]

19072.2857143

dps

with triple godly monarch

alu

without the 20% from wounded

just all passives maxed

so

[minor field]

yeah but the wounded is buffing everyone, not just alucard

[sour kiln]

Without domain expansion or strongest sorcerer stacks

[steel siren]

i didnt even include that in the calc

[minor field]

With domain

[steel siren]

domain expansion is 1 hit per minute dawg

he'd be at 20k dps at wave 150 or smth, sure

alucard is doing similar dps

[minor field]

i mean with Domain pasive

[steel siren]

yeah ik

[vocal valley]

how did u get 19k dps...

like math aint mathing

[steel siren]

he's at 14.8k damage at level 60 with godly stats.

add in monarch

add in the 35% buff from familiars

the spa is about 5.3 seconds

take off 10% with monarch

[vocal valley]

35% buff from familiars? what

[steel siren]

and 10% with his passive

[minor field]

familiars buff by 1% at most

Look at this difference tho

[steel siren]

alucard gets 35% buff at maxed familiar passive

[vocal valley]

u lit add his 20% passive dmg and his bleed to it thats it

[steel siren]

yeah, upto 35

[minor field]

show pic

no way

[steel siren]

just read his passive dawg

[vocal valley]

show bro what u talkin abt

[minor field]

Bro those are not familiars

[steel siren]

they're called familiars somewhere

idk

[minor field]

Familiars are the pet thingys you get from Okarun Event

[steel siren]

they were called familiars

and got changed

so

dont blame me

[minor field]

💀

[vocal valley]

i watched showcase he does like 53200 w that familiar passive maxed

[steel siren]

that all boils to stats

but even then

54k

then 25% bleed

[vocal valley]

even that not 19k dps

[steel siren]

and a 4.2 second spa or smth lol

[vocal valley]

ohhh

i counted 20% bleed

one sec

[steel siren]

im taking triple godly stats

just so we know

i did the same for gojo

[vocal valley]

i see

[steel siren]

anyways

back to where we were

i think we can all agree

that 3 people

should be running alucard

because he's a meta dps

[vocal valley]

inf meta team?

ur prob better off w eth g
jagos and rengoku

1 monarch alucrd is enough

[steel siren]

you're

not

is the thing

more than anything

you need aoe dps

rengoku and jogo just dont have that

plus

alucard+choso

is a devious pairing

[vocal valley]

ig i dont play inf

i prefer paragon

[steel siren]

i mean alucard and choso are

quite meta there too

lol

[vocal valley]

i mean choso only to stop regen and alu for that 20% not as main dps

[sour kiln]

Full aoe is too strong in this game

[steel siren]

its strong in every game besides als

tbh

[stable compass]

also if you didnt know he bugs out other support stuff like slow, tried to use him in tournament and not only could i not see the freeze or slow cd marking anymore but he also did not get slowed anymore. also stopped being stunned by the spin

[sour kiln]

Theres never any tradeoff for being full aoe the dps for most full aoe units is pretty much just as good if not better than non full aoe units

[steel siren]

ig

i mean the tradeoff in aa was

only being good with unique

lmao

[ruby zodiac]

im assuming traitless and only counting 1 gojo since thats usually how dps is compared

[steel siren]

we're not really comparing dps there though?

And if you are just comparing raw dps

then that passive is a 10% dps increase

if we're using traitless as the metric

then that's still relatively big

[ruby zodiac]

not raw its assuming all stackable passives(unless something like gojo where it stacks foreever)

[steel siren]

yeah i got that

raw ie traitless

400 dps is quite a bit

when the highest dps unit in the game is doing like 6k

[ruby zodiac]

yeah but 400 dps for 100 waves

where most runs go to like 200-300 max

which is 20-30% increase

[steel siren]

big deal

1200 dps

when your meta dps units are doing 5k dps

[ruby zodiac]

traitless diego does 15k assuming u stack all passives

1200 makes a small difference when enemys have like 7m hp

[steel siren]

not traitless dawg

and we were only considering 1 unit

[steel siren]

a gojo which is actually being used in inf lb

is doing 18k dps

[ruby zodiac]

inf lb monarch gojo is better

[steel siren]

do you think a 25% dps increase makes a dent there

[ruby zodiac]

since his ability doesnt affect all 3

[steel siren]

yes, 18k dps is monarch gojo

not ethereal

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

It has truly been a roundabout path..

[minor field]

!!

[vocal valley]

they wont do it just give up

[cobalt gull]

let it go bro they aint done johnny right but we got new balancers

[glossy sorrel]

hes only mythic stop yapping 💀

[minor field]

I cant let my goat johnny down like that

[fierce spindle]

fax

[minor field]

!!

[jaunty parcel]

no point in buffing him

his dmg aint passing toji or gojo after the buff so no point

[stable compass]

comparing ass dmg to ass dmg is wild

[jaunty parcel]

since all star the td community brains are so fucked its crazy

als suggestion with your 385 followers

just stfu and wait for update 2

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

!!

[long mango]

[minor field]

!!

[iron rain]

[minor field]

Johnny Buff WHen

Atleast a Slight Dps Buff, 15%-20%

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[lusty magnet]

no buff for u

[vocal valley]

dont roll on Johnny

[minor field]

Buff Johnny

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

!!

[minor field]

One day..

[pure vector]

still borderline meta

[minor field]

!!

[jaunty parcel]

sigh sigh

[minor field]

Bump

[abstract echo]

johnny is BUNS now 💔

[mint thistle]

Not all units are meant to be good

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Yeah dude but Johnny IS the Main Character. This would be like Making Gojo and Sukuna dogshit, and making Mechamaru OP

It just makes no sense

[still arch]

Sukuna is pretty dogshit

[minor field]

My monarch sukuna domain is pretty nice

[still arch]

I mean any monarch is good, even johnny

But Sukuna 3 mins cd for such an underwhelming ability is wild, and doesn't even bleed or burn

[minor field]

Bumop

[iron rain]

bump

[minor field]

Bump

[vale shore]

[pure vector]

neither gojo or sukuna mc 😭

[strong flint]

nah but yuji is and sukuna is his evo

but i see what ur saying lol

[vale shore]

bump

[iron rain]

bump

[vale shore]

bujmnoewptnjmwjtwnt

[vale shore]

b

[minor field]

Vump

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Bump

[iron rain]

bumpie bump

[minor field]

Bump

[polar robin]

no dont need to

comparing toji who is a stuper meta exclusive and gojo who is just gojo

to johnny who was a side unit in a mini update

he's perfectly fine and hes still rlly good

[minor field]

Crazy mf

[verbal ether]

Atleast make his active ability 5-6 hits. He barely makes use of the ability to it's full potential. ( often hits the same enemies multiple times regardless of priority)

[polar robin]

it was a mini update i dont think anyone except for funny and diego were supposed to be prioritised or used

i'd be more angry as to why they didnt give johnny the spotlight for the update

could've easily made him the secret and made him really good idk why they chose funny valentine its so whack

[verbal ether]

Prob cuz funny

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Bump

[iron rain]

Bump

[minor field]

Bump

[jovial smelt]

bump, they did johnny dirty

[minor field]

Bump

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bump

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Bump

[rapid apex]

LMAO 14k dps with monarch is crazy, i just burst out laughing 😭

[minor field]

Thats with ability turned on aswell

[minor field]

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[fierce spindle]

bump

[minor field]

bump

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[sleek venture]

he's a 4 placement

and he's also support

[minor field]

Hes 3 placement btw

[minor field]

His support is worse than support that DPS units provide btw

Bump

[sleek venture]

Oh does he change on Evo

[minor field]

Yes

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Bumo

[weary oyster]

If yall gonna rework Johnny

Give him his nails

[minor field]

Bump

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bump

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BUMP

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Bump

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[vale shore]

Bump

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Buuuuuuuump

[minor field]

~

[minor field]

Bump

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[fierce spindle]

bump

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bump

[faint finch]

johnny should have the ability to make mobs infinitely rotate every 20 sec

and make him vanguard!

[carmine egret]

old units will not be changed as they were balanced by old balancers

[faint finch]

ty didnt know

[minor field]

Why

Thats such a bullshit reason

Wasnt the game made by some old devs?

Then why is it still being updated

[fierce spindle]

ong

[carmine egret]

1. we don't know how the old balancers envisioned the units, we dont want to screw up whats already in place, and instead try building off of it and improve on it for the future
2. changing one old unit would mean that every old unit would be open to rebalancing, which would take a lot of effort, effort that could be used on future updates

[carmine egret]

no?

[iron rain]

True

There's nothing u can do about it though

Just close your suggestion

Theres also no need to rework Johnny

[minor field]

Yeah they said they wont be touching old

units i just saw

[minor field]

So Sukuna got buffed huh

Bump

[faint finch]

Bump

[fierce spindle]

fax

the whole not touching old units just because another balancing team did it thing is odd to begin with

[plucky hollow]

I don't think they're going to buff mythical units though

they're probably giving excpetions to exclusives/secrets

[fierce spindle]

yea i doubt they're touching johnny

[plucky hollow]

Seiko is the worst unit oat

[fierce spindle]

the original balancing team was already ignorantly saying he was the best unit in the game way back too

[fierce spindle]

fax

[plucky hollow]

she needs a buff

[plucky hollow]

???

[iron rain]

Really? 💀

He wasnt even top 10 on release 💔

[fierce spindle]

andrevious way back said johnny was the best supp by far

[plucky hollow]

the current balancing team has brain cells now

[plucky hollow]

ohh, him

that guy ruined the game

[iron rain]

Oh

[fierce spindle]

and his ability wasnt even best on release

[iron rain]

Didnt Johnny get added one upd after Diavolo

[fierce spindle]

its been midbox the whole time

yea

[iron rain]

💀

I mean it's good but not the best lmao

[fierce spindle]

and using dedicated stuns or freezes has always been better too

the argument for why spin was the best was because of the occasional stun it would do after like 10s but you could just sell and place a stun/freeze unit to do the same thing

[plucky hollow]

why is crocodile the best unit in tournaments 💀

[fierce spindle]

yea they lowk forgot slow exists or something

[plucky hollow]

there literally isn't a better unit than him

[fierce spindle]

fubuki should have been slow or repulse

no reason to add like 4 freeze units in the same upd

[plucky hollow]

he's inexpensive too, which makes him easy to replace and upgrade

which why a mythic unit probably won't be better than him

[fierce spindle]

i mean if they do it right it could be

[plucky hollow]

yeah

[fierce spindle]

its unfortunate tho like half or more of the units from dandadan and jojo were hardly worth if not not worth at all wasting time grinding for

[plucky hollow]

all of them were trash besides diego

[fierce spindle]

yeah

funny valentine was the next best and he wasnt better than jjk units anyway

dandadan's were even worse except diavolo

[minor field]

Bump

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Bump

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bump

[sleek venture]

.

why are we bumping

[fierce spindle]

sukuna got buffed

[fluid cradle]

🥹🥹 bro u guys need help

U want everything a meta

Why even u want new units

Just play with old units

[fierce spindle]

johnny is on par with release units

and is one of the strongest in his verse its not about meta

[fluid cradle]

Everything doest need to be strong

If everything is strong whats the point of new units man

[fierce spindle]

is this all u can mutter

[fluid cradle]

yes

Cause thats the point

U have anything in opposition of it?

no

[fierce spindle]

i just gave it ape

[fluid cradle]

so stop bumping

[fluid cradle]

mods????

U know u can get ban for these

[neat ferry]

this should be ragna portal map

[fluid cradle]

😂agreed

[fierce spindle]

and why is that

[neat ferry]

ice portal should be ice theme fr

[fluid cradle]

u srs?

[fluid cradle]

Yeah fr

[fierce spindle]

whats next im gonna call you a chicken and get banned for that too

[neat ferry]

they wasted those weather on worldline should add some into sec portal ngl

[fluid cradle]

Make a suggestion 😂 fr it

They will consider if someone see it

[fluid cradle]

my brother so clueless

[fierce spindle]

your argument was why do you guys want everything to be meta then backpedaled and echoed the same thing after i said its not about that

[fluid cradle]

He is the strognest in verser so he needs to be strong?

[neat ferry]

sand village on blizzard look mad beauty ngl

[fluid cradle]

Yupp

[fierce spindle]

alr i get it ur baiting

[fluid cradle]

naruto is strongest in his verses he should be strong

sasuke is strongest in his verse he should be strkng

[fierce spindle]

and they were

[fluid cradle]

????

[fierce spindle]

sasuke was meta supp

[fluid cradle]

ah well

[neat ferry]

sasuke still meta

just naruto get out

[fluid cradle]

wtb naruto

[fierce spindle]

he was strong too

[neat ferry]

naruto was never meta:( he just decent in his prime

[fluid cradle]

And the only reason sukuna got buff because of his tedious obtainment method

[fluid cradle]

[fierce spindle]

didnt he have 2nd highest dps on release

[fierce spindle]

that makes no sense at all

[fluid cradle]

[fierce spindle]

youre a parrot

[fluid cradle]

Hmm with that

Wtb okarun

Mimi?

Pweeny

[fierce spindle]

as ive said they gt done dirty why are you still going

[neat ferry]

did he i used him on the past don't remeber he got that high

[fluid cradle]

U are dumb

[fluid cradle]

Cause he dont need buff

Akaza ??

[fierce spindle]

akaza was good

keep echoing

[fluid cradle]

delusional

Jhonny is better than everyone I mentioned

[neat ferry]

some unit still stay with meta and some not johnny just get kick out of meta because his stun is too good to the point it ruined all other stun

he doesn't need dps buff bro need his stun fixed lol

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

bump

[ruby atlas]

Can anyone here explain to me why Jhonny, who got stronger at the end of the Manga, is a random Unit in this Jojo update?

Mid, Weak, Meme, low support, etc

This was one of the worst meaningless updates in the game, it just added a new Raid with enemies with boring damage reduction, and there was no strong meta unit with the Water element apart from Itadori unevo, and because they added Gyro and so on, they made his last attack horrible:

That was bizarre Update

It took them months to buff Sukuna, who was Mid and depended on a 30% buff to overcome Gojo's DPS and have decent damage:

[jaunty parcel]

not this shit again

[ruby atlas]

?

Now Salter:

Btw

[hazy stag]

Because td games arent based around original material dude, if not then explain me how subaru does almost the same damage as vegeta.

Julius was still there during that update and was meta infact

But you knew everything which happened in middle with the staff change and all that along with the new dev self imposed rule of not balancing old units.

[iron rain]

By this logic rare Goku should be doing infinite damage with 0 spa and infinite range 😭 🙏

Just because theyre strong in verse doesnt mean theyre gonna be strong in game

[iron rain]

Tell a mod to close this suggetion

🙏

[ruby atlas]

What:

[iron rain]

Its actually pointless

[ruby atlas]

What pointless

What you said doesn't make any sense, Goku is a rare starting unit

Rare

Unit

[ruby atlas]

Unit for beginner

[wanton yacht]

Huh????

[ruby atlas]

I didn't understand what you meant, but it's different when you compare, you just have to see what the Developers did

Myhtic Unit Mid

Jhonny Evo

[iron rain]

"Johnny is strong in verse so he should be strong in game" by that logic dbz characters would all have infinite dmg

They're far stronger than any other anime and Goku is pretty strong in verse

[ruby atlas]

He beat Valentine in the manga, I don't know how his power level rose but he defeated the President, didn't he? Wasn't it supposed to be a strong unit?

[iron rain]

?

[winter smelt]

that’s not how it works in games believe it or not

using that logic johnny should be the strongest unit in the game considering his scaling😭

[iron rain]

??

[ruby atlas]

It's the same thing you said, New Update launches Goku Myhtic with evo for him Ui, so he is weaker and has less raw DPS or by effect or skill than Saber Myhitc, Saber Alter, Gilgamesh, Lancer, Gojo, Gogeta ssj4, Regnaw and other op or good DPS units

Btw

[iron rain]

Theres sl, db and fate units in the game

💀

[winter smelt]

johnny slams db but you ain’t ready for that conversation

[ruby atlas]

?

[iron rain]

Kid Goku victim

[winter smelt]

buddy hasn’t read part 7

[iron rain]

Dbs krillin victim honestly

[ruby atlas]

@iron rain Bro, it's a rare unit because he would be very strong, man, I'm not saying that this character is very strong, so if you have him of the rare rarity, which is easier to get for beginners, he should do 1B damage and infinite DPS, are you stupid?

You compared a Rare Unit to a Myhtic Unit lol

No sense

[iron rain]

Wtf are you even saying

[ruby atlas]

No sense bro

[ruby atlas]

Wtf you say bro

[ruby atlas]

Random meaningless discourse without logic, a person saying that a rare Unit has to be much stronger than a Mitica version of it because the character in that verse is the strongest

I think I can't even explain it to this person because I'm using a translator and I can't explain everything 100% correctly

Btw

[pure vector]

you really want to talk about manga stuff while not reading the manga?

[iron rain]

What language do u speak

[iron rain]

"the character in the manga is strong so they should be strong in game" by this logic rare Goku would be one of the strongest units just below other db characters

Db scales way higher than any other anime in the game rn

By ur logic he should be far stronger even tho he's a rare

[fierce spindle]

subaru should have just been raw support tbh

[winter smelt]

delete ts post

i hate when people ask to buff a unit with the only reason being like they feel underwhelming or some shit

accept he’s not good and move on

[ruby atlas]

Portugues Brasil

[ruby atlas]

Everything you say doesn't make any sense

A Secret Unit being less strong than a Mythic with a higher rarity is something, like a rare unit was supposed to be meta and have greater op damage than a Mythic because it is such a character from somewhere

[ruby atlas]

Delete you message

I think you don't understand that weak units that were supposed to be strong is the same thing as being deceived by buying something that seemed good but is bad without meaningless logic

Some future Anime Vanguards update, Characters too strong with various powers and abilities to be anything and weak, deceiving you that a meta unit coming won't be a meta unit

It's not difficult to understand, I think I typed too much

[ruby atlas]

You moved on in hating without logic and that's it?

Lol

@winter smelt Expansion

Ryoiki Tenkai :

[winter smelt]

what logic bro

are you complaining that he’s out of meta or what

i don’t understand a single thing you just typed

[ruby atlas]

Neither do I

Não sei se digitei algo errado

Ou vcs não entenderam algo lógico simples

de uma personagem forte mds

Que porra de discursão é essa

Lol

If you speak Portugues Brasil is 100% more easy to explain you Domain

Btw

Ou não

[winter smelt]

i do not

[minor field]

Deadass

It's like they wanted to make the community mad

"Yo lets release an update on greatest manga of all time and hype it up so much but make the units so trash they are unuseable"

i have no problem with gyro/diego being mid

But Johnny and Valentine?

The main char and the main villain?

come on

[fluid cradle]

how u know its the greatest manga of all time

[wanton yacht]

It’s a subjective opinion
But it’s one of the highest rated mangas on MAL

[ruby atlas]

Namoral mano

Kkk

[minor field]

p

bump

[fierce spindle]

dont tell that guy how it is or he's gonna ramble ignorantly

its consistently been up beside berserk for a long time

[minor field]

Bump

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bump

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Bunp

[minor field]

Bump

[fluid cradle]

No

[minor field]

Bump

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bu

[fierce spindle]

bump

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Bu

[minor field]

bump

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bump

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

bumo

[minor field]

bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

[livid phoenix]

real bro frrfrrfrfrfr

[minor field]

bump

[minor field]

bump

[hearty hound]

Isn't he supposed to be a support? Idrk

Also I don't think they could even buff him since it's pre-balancer wipe

Not alot they can do

If he's mainly supposed to be a dps then definitely should be buffed

100k on a monarch is what u get for a support

Monarch emilia is like 80k dps every 5spa

[minor field]

his support is worse than fucking epic killua

[hearty hound]

Yeah gg

[hallow orbit]

theres no way the devs wont say anything

[minor field]

bump

[sleek venture]

A tester said it's not happening in this thread

I pointed it out to the guy still bumping but if he's still hopeful

[fierce spindle]

wasnt that before sukuna got changes tho

[minor field]

Yeah

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

bump ! ! !

[plucky grove]

it got added

[minor field]

?

[plucky grove]

oh mb wrong on

[minor field]

Bump

[fierce spindle]

buff johnny for aba jojo week 🗣️

[minor field]

Fr fr

Watch them not even make Johnny and make 7 filler characters instead

[narrow bone]

no that would make haruka and suburu not unique

[white vortex]

johnni lwk kinda crazy

[fierce spindle]

subaru could do plenty more supp than just buff idk what you're on about

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

Bump

600 stars is insane

[minor field]

bump

[fierce spindle]

bump

[minor field]

Bump

[minor field]

bumop

[iron rain]

Stop

Hes not getting buffed

😭

[minor field]

y not

[iron rain]

Wym

Old units wont be buffed

Theres no reason to buff Johnny

[minor field]

Sukuna:

[minor field]

and what was the reason to buff Sukuna?

he was underwhelming and didnt exceed expectations

same goes for johnny

[iron rain]

Nope

Sukuna is a secret

Kinda hard to get

[signal flume]

Johnny was bum icl

[iron rain]

Johnny is just a mythic

[minor field]

Not really

[iron rain]

Sukuna had a whole update just made for him

Johnny's just another mythic

[iron rain]

Compared to other units yes

Still pretty easy

[signal flume]

It takes like 4 boss raids to get sukuna

[minor field]

its pointless bro just leave it

[signal flume]

Which is honestly was easier than normal evo

[iron rain]

The fingers from shibuya can take a few hours

Or more

[signal flume]

Js buy them bro..

Iirc it was like 1 token for 2 fingers or smth like that

[iron rain]

I have no idea

Doesnt matter

[signal flume]

I evoed my sukuna in like 50 mins including takedown farming

[iron rain]

Sukuna was underwhelming as a secret

He needed a buff

He was also missing burn and bleed when he literally burns and bleeds in the anime

[signal flume]

They prob buffed sukuna to prepare for the shinjuku upd in the future or smth

[iron rain]

Some random ass mythic wont get buffed just cuz u got monarch on them 💔

[minor field]

Calling johnny random is insane

#2 manga in the world btw

naw youre just rage baiting

[iron rain]

He wasnt meant to be a strong unit?

[minor field]

Meguna would be peak

[minor field]

rage baits aint working bro

[iron rain]

Thats not what I meant

[signal flume]

If they actually gives him summons like illya

[minor field]

would be sick

[iron rain]

Her summons suck honestly

[signal flume]

Like if he actually does summons then im gonn use him over heian ver any day

[iron rain]

Anything but that

[signal flume]

Idc i js love summoners ❤️

Elf camp was my fav tower in tds

So it kinda tracks

[minor field]

heian mode could be an ability fr

[signal flume]

Thatd be pretty fire but i think they js gonn make him a vanguard

1/20k ahh unit

While shinjuku showdown sukuna with wcs gonn be evolution

[iron rain]

Heian Sukuna's evo is TF?

[wanton yacht]

To be fair sukunas buff was so minimal and just makes sense
All he gained was bleed and burn

[iron rain]

Vanguards don't have evos

They're already evolved

[minor field]

wha'ts tf

[iron rain]

True Form

Sukuna post incarnation

[minor field]

30% upgrade 1-9 and 40% upgrade 9+ is pretty nice imo

[minor field]

first time anyone ever called it tf

[iron rain]

??

💀

Everyone calls it that

[rigid vault]

bro doesnt play battle cats

[wanton yacht]

I don’t think they would ever do a straight up stat boost to any old unit, if they were ever to buff them it’s through giving them more upgrades or reworking passives

[iron rain]

How else would you call it???

Shinjuku Sukuna maybe? But Meguna was part of Shinjuku as well so it doesnt make sense

[minor field]

could do something with ascensions

[iron rain]

Answer my question 💔

tf you mean

[wanton yacht]

True form you mean💔

[iron rain]

Thats not what I said 💔

[minor field]

leave me alone vro go do something im not tryna argue

[iron rain]

Im not tryna argue either

Just answer my question

[rigid vault]

dwayne get out my fucking chat

go do something man

[still tartan]

Sukuna was buffed because he was tedious to evolve, and bcuz if u miss out on his boss event u have to wait for it to come in circulation. Johnny however is a normal banner mythic which can be evolved any time and not as tedious as sukuna is. I mean this suggestion has alot of upvotes so the devs will consider it but yea

[still tartan]

Made him a much more better support

In his full aoe form he perma bleeds the regen enemies

Easiest perma bleed to get rn in match rn

Has a nuke and his dps is good

[wanton yacht]

Never said he was bad

Just said that the buff he got made sense

[still tartan]

Yeaaa but the buff isn't rlly minimal

Ppl have no reason to use choso anymore bcuz of sukuna

[wanton yacht]

Could have worded it better but you get my point

[still tartan]

That's how good the buff was

[still tartan]

Buff wasn't minimal but yes

[iron rain]

Really?

What upgrade

[minor field]

LMAOOO

insane reference

[minor field]

actually?

[still tartan]

Yes actually.

I used him for last tournament

[minor field]

dang

[still tartan]

2/3rd

[iron rain]

So it only works with specific stats

Not the base Sukuna

[still tartan]

Takes like only 12k cash

Nah I'm not sure

It was traitless and he had 6.8 seconds

[iron rain]

You just said YOUR sukuna does that

[still tartan]

Anyone's can dawg😭

[iron rain]

Answer my question 💔

[still tartan]

Yea it can work on any

He completely replaces choso now

Unless the tournament requires a dps perma bleeder,there is no reason to use choso now

[minor field]

i lowkey wanna reroll my unique from sukuna fr

[still tartan]

I mean why wud u lol

[compact basin]

Devs said they won’t, give it up

[minor field]

where

[compact basin]

You don’t have access to active chat

I already asked

This post is pointless. They said Sukuna was the only exception

[minor field]

never giving up

[ancient escarp]

haters are gonna hate.

[minor field]

fr

[compact basin]

I’m a mega JJBA adventure. I was the one who asked if they plan to rework / buff JJBA characters, they said no.

[ancient escarp]

Never give up

[minor field]

what does "I’m a mega JJBA adventure" mean

[compact basin]

I’m a huge JJBA adventure

[minor field]

what does this mean bro 😭

[compact basin]

Dude

[compact basin]

It means I love JJBA and I wish SBR units get buffed too

[minor field]

Then you say Im a mega jjba adventure FAN

You literally said "Im a Huge Jojo's Bizzare Adventure Adventure"

Bros a jjba adventure 😭

[compact basin]

OH

OOH I DIDNT NOTICE

[minor field]

LMAOO

[compact basin]

I was multitasking so much I thought I wrote fan at the end

I had two assignments due in five minutes

[minor field]

hahaha all good

[compact basin]

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1341412640596955288 support this now

[minor field]

just for you 🫡

[compact basin]

Opinions?

[minor field]

peak

[still tartan]

Was this post made because u got monarch on him?

[minor field]

i dont even have monarch on him

i made it beacuse he's ass

he was outdated the moment he released

[still tartan]

Well all the naruto units were outdated at release lol

[minor field]

Sasuke was meta support
Obito was meta dps
Naruto Had Good DPS

[still tartan]

Naruto was outclassed by every damn unit lol

[minor field]

Cha Ha in and Igris were just superiour though

[still tartan]

He was called the worst mythic thay explains

For how popular he is and to be called the worst unit 🙏

Mythic*

[minor field]

i mean the 6 tails form is lowkey mid

i hope they dont mess up kcm and so6p

[still tartan]

Yet he was outdated since release.

That explains🙏 they wud have to rework everything

If they want to satisfy this

[minor field]

theres a difference between 2nd most popular manga in the world and a random naruto form

[still tartan]

Popularity doesn't mean he deserves a buff🙏

[signal flume]

More like legend rare

[minor field]

whataat

[signal flume]

He doesnt know

[minor field]

i dont 😔

[minor field]

Bump

[iron pine]

av players trying to realize that not everysingle unit is supposed to be dps/good :

[iron rain]

Fr

[still tartan]

Real

[weary oyster]

Ngl if cc wasnt fucked up

Johnny would've been meta support for inf runs

[minor field]

bump

[cerulean island]

bump

[cerulean island]

yeah but he has a point

johnnys a really cool character

and they just fucked him up bad

maybe not DPS buff but he needs a total rework

[still tartan]

I consider naruto a cool character

But he's been bad since the game released

They fucked him up so bad

Maybe not a dps buff but he needs a total rework

😭😭ppl being unsatisfied for mythic banner units is crazy, go to AA and see the situation over there

The fact that it's still being bumped even after the devs straight up said no is crazy

[robust frost]

Cuz johnny is just poorly made and ppl want him to get changed (even his attack animations are poorly made)

What's wrong in people providing their opinion

[minor field]

Yeah except theres a difference between a release character a new update character

[minor field]

Exactly

The last attack doesnt even have voice

[robust frost]

And the projectile model is just metal nail 😭

[still tartan]

u talk like johnny is the only character like that? Several other mythics also have the same issue

[still tartan]

hes not new anymore,and if we talking abt new update character,akaza sucked when he was released.

The devs openly stated they do not want to mess with old mythics,i dont think this is going to be an exception

Soooo idk u can keep bumping this but i doubt they will do anything abt this

[robust frost]

No? Im pretty sure they reused projectiles from nobara for him

Everything about him is bad, model, effects everything

Oh checked it again and they actually changed effects

Nvm

Its still metal nails 😭😭

what is this 😭

[still tartan]

ok so u want a model rework on him?? this post was all about his dps and support capabilities tho...

[fierce spindle]

naruto was release and has plenty more forms tho meaning a new version of him could return

[fierce spindle]

they said they didnt want to touch any units made by the old balance team which was before they proceeded to buff sukuna

johnny's strongest form even during the its update was like middling dps, middling support that is borderline useless in the entire game due to breaking cc as well as in 15/20 wave modes its hardly going to be able to be used if at all

even when he came out you were just better off bringing support units that came way before him

[iron rain]

They're not buffing him 😭

[fierce spindle]

just pointing out he was never good once to begin with

if it were ichigo or sm1 else eos sucking on release the outcry would be from way more people

[iron rain]

They're not buffing him 😭

[signal flume]

Tbf johnny is so bad like gng how did they make an unit that bad

[idle kernel]

14k dps w monarch is diabolical

[fierce spindle]

yeah saying his dps was middling was generous when narutos been considered the worst unit in the game since release and basically matches his dps as well as is 4 placement

[frigid current]

the man who cant be moved

[still tartan]

Soo ur saying they should buff like all the units when they are not in the meta??

[still tartan]

There r a bunch of mythics which are hardly usable in 15/20 waves

Doesn't mean they deserve a buff😭

And sukuna was an exception due to ppl having to grind boss rush for it,and it being bad for a signature unit of an update,and having a tedious grind

Due tk the fact that they have to waitt

Johnny on the other hand was not the signature unit In the upd

It wud be fair if u ask for a valentine buff

There is also giro who is painfully mid

Both of them were barely used

[robust frost]

such as what?

johnny is worst unit for 15/20 waves in the whole game

he is so bad that fortune is the best trait for him

[signal flume]

Nah that crazy 😭💔

[fierce spindle]

sukuna was good, then eventually got power crept way later but was still somewhat decent and then buffed to be good again

[ivory dove]

Bro deserve more for a mc of jojo

[fierce spindle]

yeah

and in 15/20 wave modes generally johnny is definitely the worst

he's not cost efficient, takes a long time to even unlock his passive for it to be outdone if you just bring gojo

[fierce spindle]

if his cc griefing was fixed the lack of dps wouldnt be an issue

not all units are meant to be good sure but he's broken

[weary oyster]

yeah just fix his cc thing

and he'll be a decent support

[mint thistle]

The guy said buff not fix i was simply giving my thoughts

[fierce spindle]

ik what im saying tho is was his ability not the way it is this whole thread would probably not exist

[shadow cipher]

I’d rather buff Valentine

[latent falcon]

But he made graduation

[minor field]

Valentine was atleast Meta when he released and is Good rn, Johnny was always ass

he's legit the worst from the update

[shadow cipher]

Valentine was never meta, he was only viable at that time since there wasn’t as many units at that time.

He costs way too much and his AOE is ass for how much DPS he has

[minor field]

he was meta for 2 solid weeks until fate