Okarun

[fossil terrace]

Maybe nerf meta chars like Gojo that easy to get secret with op stun, cool aoe and not bad damage? Maybe nerf Vegeta that have op dps, good range and aoes, multi hit and easy evo?
Chars with last buff is good, but we already have to op characters that easier to nerf than buff others.

[vivid spear]

this is a W suggestion but i'd doubt they change it; okarun's limited

[vivid spear]

WTF?? BRO GET OUT❗❗

[fossil terrace]

! ! OMG ACTUALLY THE SOLVING OF PROBLEM

[vivid spear]

you actually have 0 braincells to say "Maybe nerf meta characters?" this isn't tsb bro GET OUT❗❗

[still gale]

lol

[fossil terrace]

frankly speaking, 0 is more than -1, which is the number of brain cells of ATD players who do not notice the obvious problem of the usefulness and uselessness of some characters over others, which must be solved if you do not want the game to die immediately after the release of AA.
Characters can be meta in update where they came out , but not litteraly in the whole game. When TD have TIER LIST , on OFFICIAL wiki - this is stupid game desing that maded ONLY for the money without any thinking about players. Try to play in tower defense outside of roblox

[vivid spear]

oh my god the YAP 😭🙏yes i played other td games but ur basically asking to nerf the meta characters (which they were literally made to be meta) + the fact okarun is a limited unit, he had way lower damage before but the devs buffed it; devs can't make dmg the same as gojo and other meta units because he's LIMITED, NOT supposed to be a meta

i can't take this guy seriously bro 😭😭😭❓❓

[sour venture]

how is bros summary longer than suggestion

[vivid spear]

lmao

@fossil terrace calm down with the yap bro you've been typing for over 6 minutes, take a chill pill

he's still typing in an online argument it is NOT that serious

[dire cliff]

🤦

[fossil terrace]

Bro i never said to make Okarun or other LIMITED character same strong as other units, i only prefer that they do not have super useful gimmicks and more like for collection/lucky newbies

We have Akaza, Naruto, Cha in , Obito, Tengen, Todo that you can use only in tournaments and no one will gambling for this chars bc for complete every bosses and paragons you need: Choso , Vegeta , Gojo , Support unit (Crocodile, Haruka, Julias, Sasuke, or will be better Alucard but he s not super op for secret) and Farms - that all. Other characters looks like background to say: ye we have 10000 characters, but really interesting or useful will be 10. ||(and i do not say about useful other rarities characters bc it need really hard working to make them interesting and it will not give a lot of money)||

And most funny think: basically asking to nerf the meta characters (which they were literally made to be meta) , it s the most stupid think that i ever heard in strategy like games ( ye bc for ATD you do not need any braicells to play with this approval). It s not right gamedesing , bc it s not something only in "For fun" game modes, or something that rare but that you can use only in specific modes, NO, its litteraly full useful character that OP in EVERY gamemodes.

[fossil terrace]

Bro i really care about the game, i dont want looking at game that will die after AA realease bc of nostalgic players

AV has potential like every other Anime Tower defense , and everyone know that: easier money > hard working on interesting things
But AV is not easier money >>>>>>>> hard working on interesting things

[vivid spear]

av won't die, because people will realize aa was "too harsh" compared to new games

[fossil terrace]

But a lot of AV players is AA players , that will leave as soon as possible

[vivid spear]

"i only prefer that they do not have super useful gimmicks and more like for collection/lucky newbies" but isn't that what the "exclusive" rarity's for?

[fossil terrace]

BRO I ACTUALLY SAID THIS. I never denied this here if you read carefully

[vivid spear]

they said they'll buff older units soon + if the new units are in the same "power" as older units, why would they play the game? atd aren't possibly supposed to be strategy games, sure some strategy is involved, but as i said, " if the new units are in the same "power" as older units, why would they play the game?" this isn't tds

i have better things to do other than search td genre entirely for more than 10 minutes just to make a yap about nerfing meta units

[fossil terrace]

i think you just dont read my allats

[vivid spear]

i don't cuz i'm not gonna put the effort you put into making a 500 lines long argument about nerfing meta units 😪 ion wanna waste my precious little time arguing about an anime td game

[fossil terrace]

That great, but i already said, i like AV and want to make this as much possible better as it with ATD base

[fossil terrace]

That means only you dont care about the game and arguments valid like 50% from possible
but the most important thing is that you continue to argue))))😊

[vivid spear]

people hated this update but devs fixed most of its issues (units low dmg, some others that i don't recall) plus av took a lot of time to release the upd cuz they were working on 2 upds at a time, dunno why ur such in a hurry because of a .5 upd 😪😪

[dry canopy]

AV will be releasing updates and newer content faster soon, it’s just their dev team wasn’t sorted out

[vivid spear]

that

[fossil terrace]

Bro i dont hate this update, where i said this?

[fossil terrace]

Okey great i only happy about this

[vivid spear]

nowhere, but since you said "i want to make the game better" only logical reason ur saying that is prolly cuz of bad upds

anyways imma go take a nap and play roblox now bye not worth wasting my time on this

[fossil terrace]

Bad is not full update, and not this update. Bad is balance of characters, that ya - will be nerfed in next updates, but: Update where gojo came out is 1.0 , but now we have 1.5 - no difference. I dont say about Vegeta.

[fossil terrace]

bye!

[sour fulcrum]

Being limited should be all more of a reason to be meta, like i said this game needs diversity bro. If banner units gon continue to be meta and exclusives arent, everyone gonna run the same fucking teams / units thats boring. Imagine loading up with other players and they essentially got the same units as you do

Like gojo , everyone has him on their starting 6, and when running dandadan inf raid, people argue about who uses DE because everyone has him and its a global cooldown

[fossil terrace]

AV already does perfect: New LIMITED units META in new LIMITED gamemode. If you want more exclusives and possible not bad support or tournaments units - you trying to get Okarun , if not - you dont play

[sour fulcrum]

So you want the game to repeat the cycle of everyone relying on the same busted banner Unit that anyone can get , for example gojo? Or you want a game where everyone has different teams/units that fit their playstyle/style of thinking, anime character preferences, and theres a bunch of good units to choose from?

[fossil terrace]

Just read all my previous comments..... carefully

Other characters looks like background to say: ye we have 10000 characters, but really interesting or useful will be 10.
this is small phrase that fully said about currect anime td s

[sour fulcrum]

AWTD and ASTD a perfect example everyone uses different units based on they own preferences. Everyone uses Gojo because every other unit in the game sucks compared to him

[fossil terrace]

And he will be nerfed, but he should was nerfed in this update, not in 2.0

[sour fulcrum]

And exclusives make it better because its limited and not everyone and they mom have the same units

Im not even mad i cant get sukuna no more, im happy for those who went out their way to grind for him before event ended

[dry canopy]

he’s coming back dawg

[sour fulcrum]

I know sadly

[fossil terrace]

I think varitios to make different builds should be for everyone. Just image guy that want fire build but cant get Rengoku (if game wouldnt have trades)

[sour fulcrum]

Thats where trading comes into play, trade for rengoku . But if the game didn’t have trades, he just gonna have to build with the best fire units he can acquire at the time. If anyone can get rengoku at anytime , that defeats the purpose of exclusive imo

But naa trading definitely is a must, because if Cid became a exclusive unit and i missed the chance to get him and trading wasnt a thing ill be mad

[fossil terrace]

It s like should be Rengoku, that maybe have slightly more damage , but at the same time should be another fire units , that can give same working passive but lower damage for exapmle.
I dont like idea of Exclusive units at all , but i think its perfect solving of it

[sour fulcrum]

Yea thats a good idea too

[fossil terrace]

Trades will be deved only for solving Exclusive problems without adding a bunch more +- same units

[strange valley]

Trading is a planned feature, you will only be able to trade exclusive and vanguard units along with paid items like gamepasses and paid rerolls, it will be added when there are enough exclusive units to trade. You will not be able to trade secrets, mythics, etc. Only exclusives.

[sour fulcrum]

Fax, especially if somebody started AV 2 months from now and couldnt get the exclusives out right now, trading will be a problem solvrr

[fossil terrace]

ye i perfectly know it. And i already said that is definitely best way to fix Exclusive without adding 2 same in mechanic units

[strange valley]

your argument falls apart then, if exclusives were as good/useful as units like gojo then new players will be forced to trade for those exclusives in order to compete at the highest level, which just creates a limiting factor, resulting in leaderboards being less accessible to new players

[fossil terrace]

||Why do they repeat the same thing to me, something that I agreed with from the very beginning, but just gave an alternative?||

[strange valley]

The current banner exclusives are definitely usable/good in normal play.

[sour fulcrum]

yo bro you only hearing what you wanna hear, i did NOT say exclusives would be the only meta, i said their should be more units in the game just as busted as gojo, and some being exclusives. By all means do players need them to compete at the hoghest level because their would be banner/obtainable units in the game obtainable busted just like gojo, yo mind is so limited.

[strange valley]

"just as busted as gojo" exclusives would be part of the meta team, and i explained why that would be bad in the above.

[sour fulcrum]

kuh im speaking as if there were 50+ secrets and exclusives in game so there would be a variety of good units to choose from u just rapping trying ur bet to debunk my claim

[strange valley]

it doesnt matter if there was " 50+ secrets and exclusives in game", in a gamemode like tournament there will always be a most optimal team that everyone (at the top) will end up using, regardless of how many different units there are.

in normal play you can already use any team you want, including the current exclusives. so whats the problem?

[sour fulcrum]

yo argument basically is "dont make any exclusives at all busted as gojo because some people wont be able to obtain them and compete at the highest level" which doesnt correlate to what im saying at all , take ur limited mind to sb ele thread kuh

"make all exclusives trash and only good for their event modes"

[strange valley]

i never said that, and they arent trash. they are good in normal play.

[strange valley]

what are you saying then?

[strange valley]

"limited mind"

[sour fulcrum]

and im saying make certain ecrets and exclusives units just as better or as good as gojo in the future and u turning it into making it seem like i want exclusives only to be busted lol u only hearing what u want to hear

[strange valley]

and why cant they be slightly worse/less useful (overall) than gojo/meta?

[sour fulcrum]

well obviously theres gonna be exclusives that suck and exclusives that are busted depends on the character fam this is common sense , not all secrets gon be busted and not all exclusives gon be busted

but make future exclusives just as busted as gojo, like if Cid from eminence in shadow was a exclusive, he gonna have to be busted like gojo. If Nobara from Yu YU Hakusho became a exclusive unit, ofc he gon be ass. If MUI Goku became a secret ofc he gon be busted and if giyuu from demon slayer became. a secret ofc he gon suck

[strange valley]

yea, and exclusives like toji are very good/meta in certain cases, but they should not provide as much utility as gojo/perm units, as it limits new players' ability to compete if a certain exclusive is required for most teams.

[strange valley]

limited units like diavolo are very good/meta in certain situations, but they should not be as useful overall than meta perm units.

[sour fulcrum]

no unit would be required since there would be over 20 busted secrets and mythics and lets say 10 exclusives that are busted to choose from, this is called diversity

[strange valley]

what about unique abilities like toji? like a mode having enemies with 20 shields, you arent able to replace toji in that case.

[sour fulcrum]

u acting like there wont be other units in the future that ignore shield u thinking about the present and not whats leads up in the future fam

if they keep dropping big name animes for major updates theres gonna be new op units every time, theres gonna be 10+ secrets better than gojo and 10= exclusives better than gojo anyway, just a matter of time. I realized they not gonna make okarun that busted because his character compared to other verses suck anyway

[strange valley]

i doubt that they will reuse unique abilities, even if they do it for some then there wouldnt be a replacement for others

"super unique passives" "future ones passives should be more unique"

[sour fulcrum]

out of 100+ mythics, secrets, vanguards, and exclusives units being added in the future u think not one gonna have a ability to ignore shields yea this dude mind limited

[strange valley]

maybe something similar, but definitely not the same as toji. also thats way too far into the future, cant only look at the future, the present is also just as important

[sour fulcrum]

the future is my whole claim, ill lower the number. out of 20 busted units in the game you think everyone still gonna be running the same teams? naa it'll be different teams to match peoples preferences , whole point of what i been saying diversity

right now its only one truly busted unit in the game, which everyone can get and everyone has, which is boring but we are only 1.5 updates into the game im complaining too early

[strange valley]

for stuff like tournament content? yes people will end up sticking to like one team after they experiment will all the teams and find the best one.
for stuff like story, challenges, legend, boss rush, paragon, inf? there is already diversity in those teams.

[sour fulcrum]

yea as of right now, but theres gonna be characters with similar abilities which gonna lead to diversity , im just asking for it too early. But its gonna be more than 3 units that are meta time skip, more than 3 meta units that cause bleed, more than 3 units that stun. So not having a unit with busted dps and a time skip like gojo wont matter, because people will choose another busted option which is dio, and if they dont have gojo or dio its jotaro or time maid or any other busted anime character that stops time

and dio might just be an exclusive

[strange valley]

alr, idk if they will add that many units with similar abilities, i already stated all my points,

[sour fulcrum]

yea it might be more, u cant think that far tho. U act like the game not gon be dropping consistent updates for 1-2 years straight. You cant even see how limiting ur imagination is all tho it wont change nun

u mustve never played astd or even simply awtd in ur life. So many good units to choose from , obtainable and unobtainable that everybodys team look different and busted in they own way, as of AV... Everyones team got Gojo in the center of it, in ASTD and AWTD there isnt one simply busted dps unit, theres several of them, more than 15 obtainable and unobtainable , which causes diversity

[cyan moat]

I think Okarun’s fine as he is. The devs need to either adjust all full-AOE units so they’re ass at killing bosses and/or add more variety to enemies.

[sour fulcrum]

game good as it is, just need to add new units

[strange valley]

my points were framed around the present/near future as you started this by talking about okarun. im not going to speculate about stuff in the far future.

[cyan moat]

That as well.

I’d also keep powercreep to a minimum and limit the amount of full-AOE units being released to 1 every 1-2 big updates.

Half of me thinks the community underestimates just how OP having full-AOE on a unit really is.

[hollow scroll]

Pls never cook again

[fossil terrace]

No arguments comment - Sigma moment.
"Bro I just got gojo don't nerf it please"😭

[hushed hedge]

I mean this is not wrong, every unit from update 0.5 fell off so quickly, akaza was bornt dead, rengoku still cant find usefulness because all the fire element units are outclassed by other ones. Tengen beign full AOE is only reserved for tournaments currently because he aint a boss killer like igris, doesnt have synergy with other towers and has no stun immunity.

[cyan moat]

Rengoku needs to have Purgatory Flames unlocked at an earlier upgrade, he's only useful in infinite

[round burrow]

the only reason you will use rengoku is to buff other burn units

you arent going to buff other burn units that much if you arent in infinite since thats when you will have everything maxed out

[cyan moat]

So he’s basically just useless, got it.