Mythic Pity (For Traits)

[thin jolt]

There is no pity in gambling now is there? This is no different

[blazing valve]

This is a game made for children

as long as there no monarch pity I feel this is fine

[thin jolt]

and?

it's a gacha game, it's basically a legal gambling game for kids since u don't actually need to pay to get something

Genshin Impact is the same, u don't have a pity system for good artifacts, Honkai Star Rail is the same

and I believe WuWa is the same

they're all Gacha Games, the pity system is in the pulling units mechanic, not in the stat building

[blazing valve]

I mean the difference between the 2 best trait (ethereal) and monarch is pretty substantial that having a mythic trait pity at like 200 rrs would be fine

As long as monarch isn’t in the pool for this but for other mythic traits it would be fine

[thin jolt]

what if I tell u that Ethereal is just as good as Monarch?

[blazing valve]

Then I would have to disagree unless it’s inf we are talking about

Even tho meta units like gojo and sukuna and sjw all are so much better with monarch

[thin jolt]

any gamemode where you can place all towers of a unit and fully upgrade, which seems to be more and more common, Ethereal is better than Monarch

there are some units that are better with Monarch, yes, specially units with a global cooldown ability

[blazing valve]

Idk about more and more common even 50 wave game modes it hard to max every unit

[thin jolt]

but the thing of Monarch is that you get basically 4 units in 1, that's like, extremelly OP for fast gamemodes like story, challenges, etc...

[blazing valve]

This is why I believe adding a mythic pity wouldn’t be a bad thing monarch is currently better for every game mode

and most the time if there was a mythic pity it would be solar or dead eye anyways

[thin jolt]

I just don't think it's a good idea

[cyan anvil]

True

[pure crystal]

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[cyan anvil]

Ehh i think pity would remove the thrill u get from getting a mythic pity

Now im regretting my own suggestion 😭

[elder wagon]

I dont see a point to mythic pity if monarch isnt included, i would argue that monarch is the only trait that can completely overhaul a unit, all the other traits are just a nice bonus

[elder wagon]

Traits in general arent needed for most units to do well, and for players to complete most content so adding a mythic pity, especially one without monarch dosent really matter

[blazing valve]

Would be nice as something to work for ethereal is still pretty good for support units or deadeye for crit units

[elder wagon]

Yh i get you, but my whole point is that traits as a whole arent needed for you to progress, the whole point of them is for you to get lucky (or whale out) and get a cool boost to your unit and adding a pity kinda defeats the purpose of them

[blazing valve]

I mean this is a true there isn’t any content in the game that requires mythic traits but it’s effective like in the event you can pick harder cards

[elder wagon]

They give you free monarch in the new event also tho

[blazing valve]

With the downside of making 40 percent money

[cyan anvil]

still op ngl

[blazing valve]

if you had like deadeye and etheral you wouldn’t always need to pick kings burden also makes it easier to macaroni and cheese

[elder wagon]

The only endgame content that is heavily locked behind traits is inf leaderboard runs and trait tournaments, everything else is easily do-able wihout any mythic traits

[blazing valve]

Tournaments are also locked behind mythic trait except trait less of course

[elder wagon]

I dont need to pick it and the best i have is blitz

[blazing valve]

How much are you making per run tho

[elder wagon]

But you need to ppgrade like 7 less units on average

[elder wagon]

Up to 5k if i get lucky with cards, but its the same with the monarch card for me at least

[blazing valve]

In tournaments tho even the slightest difference of dmg makes or breaks the run

[elder wagon]

Trait tournaments will be locked behind a paywall even with a mythic pity, as monarch is a must to get top 1

[blazing valve]

Top 5 tho isn’t

[elder wagon]

Depending on your bracket, it easily can be

[blazing valve]

If you have the right units with a mythic trait it’s easy top 5

[cyan anvil]

It it all matters on ur bracket basically

[graceful tree]

andre said in the interview that they won't/never add this so what's the point of making this

[elder wagon]

It depends on brackets

[blazing valve]

If you have 5 people with 2 or more monarchs yea but they sometimes still have to be the correct monarch

[cyan anvil]

Didn't see the interview so aight

[elder wagon]

Having a monarch gojo can fit in for pretty much every tournament im pretty sure

[blazing valve]

Not really you can def beat people even with monarch gojo it’s just the people that have the right monarch

[elder wagon]

But also deadeye and solar arent too much beter than blitz anyway for dps

[blazing valve]

Deadeye with familiar is 5x better then blitz no cap

[elder wagon]

And implementing a mythic pity when all mythic traits have different rates wouldnt work anyway,

[blazing valve]

they can just adjust on pity

[elder wagon]

How would you implement it then?

Have the guarenteed mythic at lets say 200 rr and the gurenteed mythic has like a 50% chance to be solar, 30% chance for deadeye and 20% for ethereal or smth?

[blazing valve]

Probably like 15 percent for etheral but yea something like this

[reef linden]

💀 200 rr pity for a 1 in 500 trait

[elder wagon]

I was about to say that, imo it makes no sense to make a pity for a trait with chances which would go outside the pity

[blazing valve]

Not guaranteed to get etheral even with the pity

[reef linden]

theres just no real reason to add pity, we get so much rrs every update

theres literally 200 rerolls in the occult shop which can be farmed in 2 and a half hours if you get 6k every run

[elder wagon]

Ik but its still a much higher chance than its intended rate

[blazing valve]

Yea but as you said 200 for a 1 in 517 even if you get all the rrs in the upd still hard to get etheral or deadeye based on odds

[elder wagon]

These no point making ethereal 1 in 500 if you have a 15% chance to get it every 200, it makes mythic trait's rates completely wrong

[elder wagon]

Thats the point tho, they are meant to be completely luck based

[reef linden]

so what? traits arent needed for ANY content besides traited tournament.

[elder wagon]

Should we get an alucard pity also? Like every 200k gems his chance goes up to 10% or smth

[blazing valve]

The only thing to do in the game 😭

[violet cargo]

thats assuming you get to spin in bulk ethereal each time is a 0.175 chance

[reef linden]

be real we all play that shi for like 2 hours most

[elder wagon]

Dpnt get my wrong, im completely aware that traits are a p2w feature for the "endgame" content, but it inst needed to play the game in its entirety at all

[blazing valve]

And? Doesn’t make it the only endgame content everything is afk

[reef linden]

occult hunt

[blazing valve]

Ahk and inform tiny works just not as much

[elder wagon]

The only people who try to consistently get high inf leaderboard runs and high finishes on trait tourney consistently are whales most of the time

[reef linden]

unless you pay for it you aint getting the best rewards possible

[blazing valve]

Ahk is free btw

[violet cargo]

that is true

[reef linden]

this is such a dumb discussion, there is going to be NO content that can't be afked when we got these type of image detection m4cr0s

[blazing valve]

Tournaments…

[violet cargo]

I see their full monarch team

[elder wagon]

Ik but it goes up to a 15% chance per his suggestion every 200 rr, regardless of how long itll take f2p players to get there eahc upd, its still a massive increase to the rate

[blazing valve]

I mean I get my free 60 rrs a week just for doing a hour of tournament so even then.

[reef linden]

Are you sure? if i record my top 1 tournament run and upload it to someone with the same units aint that gonna be the same?

[blazing valve]

Rng and micro 💀

[reef linden]

just reset, you wont have to do any of the work anyways

[blazing valve]

Every run is gonna be different the only reason you can ahk occult is because it picks the cards

[elder wagon]

Tournaments are a so so mode anyway, ive gotten top 1 traitless by following a guide

[blazing valve]

Reset every round and micro nice

[violet cargo]

"theres no pity for those games" but both games have elixirs you can redeem to get the specific piece your looking fr

[elder wagon]

Traitless tournaments at least, your meant to min/max literally everything its a sweaty gamemode for sweaty players to get get top 1

[elder wagon]

And trat tournaments are objectively completely pay to win as someone can guarentee top 1 if he monarchs all the right units

[blazing valve]

It’s pretty much impossible to create a macaroni and cheese for tournaments because of the amount of micro managing

[thin jolt]

That's not a pity system, and it makes sense for the stats for artifacts, AV already has something similar called "Worthiness", implemented in stats rerolls

[violet cargo]

it is a pity system lol, when you lose all the time the game gives you grace and allows you to win for once thats literally what pity means

[elder wagon]

Thats the point of tournaments tho

[blazing valve]

Context above

[violet cargo]

genshin impact artifact system is NOT the same as AV stat reroll, I've been stuck on a domain for 4 months and I've gotten only 3 useable pieces

[elder wagon]

I meant to say that tournaments arent meant to be afk content, your meant min/max everything you can to get the best result

[blazing valve]

Yes I was tryna argue that with @reef linden

[elder wagon]

Oh mb

[violet cargo]

not even a full set

[blazing valve]

All good

[thin jolt]

The way the stats are completely random and you upgrade a random stat when you lvl up the artifact is what I mean when I compare it to stat reroll, the elixir is not a pity system, as pity is usually when you try a certain number of times to get something you want, you don't get the elixir by getting alot of artifacts and upgrading them many times, you have the option to exchange them and get some stuff you want

When you hit pity you have 100% chance of getting something, after you tried a certain number of times to get that specific thing

And the Elixir is not limited to how many times you try to grt good stats, it's limited by time, you only get a single bottle in 40ish days

Yes, react with skull

[cyan anvil]

Huh why the hell yall talking abt genshin impact

[elder wagon]

Genshin gets brought up so much in this disc its so funny to me

[blazing valve]

I come to suggestions just to ramble to

[thin jolt]

I made a comparison to make my point clearer and explain it better, he tries to "counter" that by bringing up unrelated stuff to the conversation to try to somehow proof I'm wrong

[violet cargo]

"its not pity its just something they give you every 40 days if you didn't get the piece you want"

[cyan anvil]

aight

[violet cargo]

genshin impact is so infamous for its artifact grind lol people make spreadsheets on this shit every day, it is not comparable to av stat system thats meant to be easy. trait system is more aligned with artifact system

[thin jolt]

See? He's still talking about something unrelated, when the point of this whole conversation is not if the Elixir Bottle of Genshin is pity ot not, my point is that there is no need to add pity to the traits as for example there isn't pity in Genshin or Honkai for stats in Artifacts, only the elixir bottle which I don't count as pity as you can use it based on time.

And another point, it would make mythic traits way more common than they should be, the whole luck factor of the traits slowly disapears, specially for P2Ws

[violet cargo]

ohh you wanted to talk about if elixir is pity? then my answer is yes it is, its meant to make the 6 months you take grinding for something take maybe one month

[thin jolt]

He can't read 💀

[violet cargo]

"i dont want poors having my monarch grr" AR has pity its literally 200 spins for a mythic and I havent gotten anything good with it

[thin jolt]

"the point of this whole conversation IS NOT if the Elixir Bottle from Genshin is Pity or not" "ohh you wanted to talk about if elixir is pity?"

[violet cargo]

your acting like getting traits is only for the qualified when its literally only for people who have a gambling addiction and money

[thin jolt]

Then go play AR 😭
Also I don't have any monarch

[violet cargo]

mb i didnt read

[thin jolt]

Grind the game for trait rerolls? Ever thought of that?

[violet cargo]

but you did say before that elixir didnt count as pity I was trying to combat that still

[thin jolt]

There are many ways to get rrs, Achievements, Shops, Quests, the easier infinite source Challenges and the not so easy infinite source Paragon

[cyan anvil]

Boss rush,and spirit shop give so much rrs

[thin jolt]

K then, it was never my point to start an argument about that, it was just a way to make my point clearer

Trait rerolls should be about luck, not about how much money u got to hit pity alot of times until u got Monarch/Ethereal

[violet cargo]

I'll admit this game has good ways to get traits but your chances of getting the big fish compared to someone with a wallet is vastly different

[violet cargo]

I feel traits should be about skill not luck, hearing you talk like this is like seeing fish say they breathing air

[thin jolt]

Once again, it's more about luck than money, someone with a very big wallet and bad luck can keep on getting Solar and Deadeye, someone with a single roll can get a Monarch

[thin jolt]

And how would you make traits about skill? Without breaking the experience for new players

[violet cargo]

isnt that bad also, a gacha game is supposed to reward its biggest spenders not scare them away and make them cry (lets be honest they get rewarded your analogy doesnt work cuz its only luck)

[thin jolt]

Sooo make the game P2W? 💀

[violet cargo]

the game is p2w all roblox gachas are p2w

[cyan anvil]

its not P2W?

[violet cargo]

all gachas are p2w

i think your thinking im saying this game is pay to play which is arguable buts its not truly there

[thin jolt]

The whole point of Gacha Games is CHANCE and LUCK, in all Gacha Games you're paying to get higher chances, and almost all of them have a pity system for the Characters Pulling Mechanic, you're not paying to get whar you want, you're paying to have a higher chance of getting what u want and I think it already does that by allowing players to buy trait rerolls and gems

[violet cargo]

your basically sayingthe same thing holy shit, how do you not realize this

[thin jolt]

It's far from being pay to play, you can play this game without spending a single monetary value

[violet cargo]

"you're not paying to get whar you want, you're paying to have a higher chance of getting what u want" WHAT, thats literally the same shit

[thin jolt]

No it's not? 💀

[violet cargo]

IT IS you basically tryna reconfigure what p2w means holy shit

[thin jolt]

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between paying TO GET MONARCH and paying to GET A HIGHER CHANCE of getting Monarch

[violet cargo]

IF YOU HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE ITS PAY TO WINNNN

[cyan anvil]

🍿

[grand zealot]

Only pity I could see being decent is like a shadow Pity where we don’t even know it’s in the game and you get monarch after 2k rerolls

[cyan anvil]

W mod?

[thin jolt]

That feels better than a pity like in the banner, but still...

The whole luck based thing kinda fades away

Imo stats and traits should be luck based

[cyan anvil]

i get better stats spinning without worthiness then with worthiness

[thin jolt]

The chances are the same, it feels better without worthiness cuz it's faster

[cyan anvil]

but it is better (imo)

[thin jolt]

Ye, it's faster

[cyan anvil]

I got a Z+ on a vegeta i didnt use and got to transfer it to my sukuna

[thin jolt]

Basically the chance of getting D, C, B and A stats are overwritten by only A when you have 100% Worthiness, it doesn't boost the chances of getting S and above

[cyan anvil]

Ye statistically worthiness is better

[thin jolt]

I got 2 Godlies without Worthiness, I just rolled and boom

[cyan anvil]

i only got 1

[thin jolt]

It's better for starters who don't have the resources and time to get a spare mythic and roll on it until they get a good stat and transfer it to theit main units, with worthiness they can be sure they'll get all A stats

And for new players, all A stats is already enough, as they can't rlly compete or try to play the end game modss cuz they don't have the required units with the required stats

Talking about Boss Rushes, Tournaments and Leaderboards

[cyan anvil]

Sukuna should have bleed

[thin jolt]

Not rlly

He is already mid meta and a long term support

[cyan anvil]

aight

[thin jolt]

He has good dmg and boosts bleed dmg, that's enough tbh

Almost one of the best early wave units, since he gets full aoe multi hit with 2 upgrades, he is crazy good

Alot of ppl are very sad and disapointed on him bcs he's not top 3 or top 5 best unit, to me he's top 7, maybe 6, but they don't realize his potential and his current use