Don't alter the chances of main banner units when adding new mythics

[whole pagoda]

On release the middle unit on the banner was 50% and the side banner units were 20%
as more mythics have been added this number has decreased drastically to 43.4% for the main unit and 17.3% for the side units. Rather than taking away percentage from main banner units you should exponentially reduce the chance for off banner units so the main units can remain consistent

(TL;DR take away percentage from units that aren't on the banner instead of the main units to compensate for new mythics being added)

[grim ember]

this is so true, banners should stay 50, 15, 15

[mossy quail]

I agree instead of changing the banner units chances, it should lower the non banner units chances

[zinc trench]

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[mossy quail]

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[paper helm]

Why is this a thing, did they intent to make main banner unit like 5% after adding a 100 units

[ember mason]

Bro is actually spitting

[rich vector]

i think i agree with this

[whole pagoda]

guess so

[willow badger]

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[analog plover]

yeah why on earth is this happening
surely this is unintended

[whole pagoda]

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[willow badger]

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[graceful vine]

typical av bug 🙏

[whole pagoda]

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[sinful grotto]

It honestly dosent matter if its 50% or 43%

[whole pagoda]

Yes it does?

that's a 14% decrease in getting the center banner unit

and it's not just the fact that it's 43% right now, it's that in any future updates with new mythics it'll continue to go down further than 43%

[willow badger]

yeah it kinda ruins the purpose of a main banner unit

[lavish spindle]

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[white topaz]

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[whole pagoda]

main banner units and side banner units are now 4/5's of what they were before, the more mythics added means the more percentage is taken away from the main units

[white topaz]

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[whole pagoda]

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[white topaz]

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[modern socket]

it is…

[obsidian pasture]

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[modern socket]

Combinated with all other mythics i think it sway over the side banner one,i don’t wanna a character not in the banner to have more chance than a side

[obsidian pasture]

ok so like
50% main unit.
15% side banners. (2)
20% divided by (amount of units on game minus 3[minus 3 because they're on main banner]).

[foggy ibex]

just spent 40k without getting gyro while he was middle, bump

[whole pagoda]

side banner units were 20% on release

[obsidian pasture]

should become 10% by now

[whole pagoda]

think its 16 percent

everything is 4/5's of what it was on release

[obsidian pasture]

im not understanding this though

[modern socket]

they shoud maybe do like a banner with the rn percentage that cost 50gems a summon and do another one with sure percentage(50-20-20-and the rest)but that cost a bit more

[kindred crystal]

W suggestion

[kindred crystal]

same, legit almost started tweaking when i got obito

[foggy ibex]

i shit you not i think i got more off banner mythics than the side mythics, it's so irritating.

[whole pagoda]

people i know

[obsidian pasture]

oh yea they trolling u aight

[tall sigil]

Its probably to keep the side banner mythics consistent

[whole pagoda]

the more mythics added the lower the odds will get

[tall sigil]

Yeah but the odds for off banner units will also everything just needs to add up to 100%

[whole pagoda]

it cant be intended

[tall sigil]

Is the 50% dropped to a 25% and lets say a off banner is 1% it would now be 0.5% along with the 25%

[whole pagoda]

yeah but there's a reason we have a banner in the first place, why summon if it's going to br even more rng than it already is to pull the unit u want

[tall sigil]

It isnt rng since the middle banner unit is still the highest chance to get

[whole pagoda]

that means the middle unit went from 1/400 to 1/800 which would be insane and you'd have a higher chance of pulling something completely not on the banner 45-55 percent

[tall sigil]

Its just the percent ur looking at it doesnt change the 50/50 chance

[whole pagoda]

the off banner units chances should be exponentially decreasing each time another mythic is added to add space for it within the percentile

[tall sigil]

The off banner rates go down with the middle rate meaning if u multiply them by a certain number itll still equal to 50% the % is just visual bc if middle was a 1% chance then all others would be below 0.1 most likely

[whole pagoda]

yeah it does because 25% chance of 0.5 is 0.125 which is 1/800

[tall sigil]

Yeah but the 25% is visual its still a 1/2 probability when you for example hit pity or get the mythic since if you multiply the 25% by 2x and the off banner units by 2x itll still be the same probability its just the visual % chance changing

[whole pagoda]

mythic set rarity is 0.5 (1/200) it used to be 50/50 to get the main unit but as of now it's 40/60 to get the middle unit

[whole pagoda]

u don't understand, if u go in game right now all the percentages still add to 100, it IS actually changing

[tall sigil]

Its suppose to add to 100 if they kept all the rates the same then eventually the off banner units would have more of a chance than the side units because it is no longer adding to 100

The % difference looks less but the actual probability is still the same

[whole pagoda]

no because when you add new mythics you decrease the chance of getting specific off banner units so it always adds up to the intended 10%

[tall sigil]

All off banner units have the same chance as any other off banner unit

[whole pagoda]

dude please just think for a moment, the middle mythic unit currently has a 40.4% chance of being pulled, it used to be 50% which means it's clearly changing

[tall sigil]

Probability and chance are 2 different things the chance is the % of you getting something probability is how much out of x/x something is to get the probability is still the same since the off banner units are slowly going down with the middle unit rate the chance looks different but actual probability(for example 1/200) is still the exact same

[whole pagoda]

im aware? for example lets say we had 13 units in game, 3 of those are on banner making up 50% for middle and 20% for side banner units, adding up to 90% (50 + 20 + 20) that leaves 10% to be split amongst the remaining 10 units which would give them 1% each respectively completing the 100% pie, now lets say an update happens and 10 more units are added, for the hypothetical the banner hasnt changed and its the same units. To make space for these new 10 units we take the percentage of the off banner units (10%) and divide it by 20 because thats the total number of off banner units giving them all a 0.5% without changing any middle banner unit percentages

[tall sigil]

If a middle unit changed from 50% to 25% then its 1/2 chance the 25% is 1/4 chance and say a off banner unit is 1/50 and now its 1/100 if you sinplify it it still all adds up to the same pobability

[whole pagoda]

the problem isnt it adding up to 100% it's that eventually the main banner unit wont even have increased odds

[tall sigil]

Doing what you says brings down the probability to get a off banner unit doing it this way keeps the % at 100 total and keeps the probability to get them the same

[whole pagoda]

the way i said keeps the percentage 100% the entire time

[tall sigil]

So does mine? If u have 50% for middle and halve it its now 25% if you had a 1% off banner unit its now 0.5% and lets say thats because you get 10 more units from the previous 10(numbers might not be exact) but theres 17 off banner units and since we got double the units all tou have to do is halve the previous chance and add it to all the current units

[whole pagoda]

yeah which is STUPID because you're decreasing a chance which shouldnt be decreased and you'll just keep halving it until every unit has the same odd, is this rage bait??

[tall sigil]

Not all units will have the same odd wym ALL unit rates are decreasing with each other meaning the probability always stays the same and the only thing is the % visually changing

[whole pagoda]

gotta be rage bait right, in what world is that better than exponential decrease which keeps the main banner the same throughout every update

[tall sigil]

Using ur strategy keepign the middle banner 50% always this would slowly make off banner units wayy more rare and there would be a point in time getting them would litteraly be as rare as alucard

[whole pagoda]

which is the point

[tall sigil]

Why would you wanna do this atp just dont add off banner units if ur not gonna make them have a chance at getting them

[whole pagoda]

and the odds of getting a SPECIFIC off banner unit would be rarer than alucard, but why does that matter...? you don't summon for a unit if it's off the banner you wait for it to get on the banner

the chance of getting them on release was 10%, my method keeps it locked at 10% nothing changed,

[tall sigil]

Because at that point off banner mythics wouldnt benefit anything and they should just add 3 units per banner 50% and 2 25%

[whole pagoda]

off banner units never benefit anything which is why it should be kept as low as possible, but i doubt any developer would change it to 0% for an off banner unit, im glad you're understanding now

but it's still an rng game which means it needs rng elements

[tall sigil]

Yeah but my method keeps everything the same but looks weird it still offers everything the same chance it was before just unsimplified

[whole pagoda]

i still don't think so beacuse your previous method doesn't take into account that mythics already are a 0.5% chance to summon meaning lowering any percentage within that already existing 0.5% is decreasing the odds of pulling the unit

also probability and chance are the same thing

just expressed differently

[whole pagoda]

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[foggy ibex]

honestly it's either this or change the banner system to reborn's

the chance of pulling a mythic would be lower but you're atleast guaranteed the mythic you want.

[foggy ibex]

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[kindred crystal]

thatd be nice, i mean i never get a mythic until i hit the pity anyways

[whole pagoda]

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[white topaz]

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[whole pagoda]

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[half magnet]

good suggestion