Paragon sucks

[thick zinc]

Here's a couple of ideas that could make it better i think

Maybe make it so we have to choose a card every 5 levels of paragon, but make them show up as bundles, here's an example:

Card 1: +5% spa, +3 shields, +4% enemy movement speed
Card 2: Enemies explode on death, +20% enemy health
Card 3: Bosses are immune to status aliments, thrice

At level 30 we gotta choose 30 different modifiers, but with this change we have to pick like 6 cards
||I am no game designer, this one might be unbalanced in some way but whatever||

next one is

Dynamic scaling of cards or something like that

You pick like 4-5 cards at the start, and as you go further in stages, they just randomly scale based on the current level ( i.e each stage 1-2 of your cards is being scaled up, not all of them at once)

Also i'd genuinely love to see buffs/elements in paragon too, it would make this gamemode a little nicer to play imo, might be cool for it to have rogue-like feeling to it y'know. Something like this: Occasionally you'd get a card that has a buff AND a de-buff at the same time, so you have to think whether its worth to pick it or not or not (reminds me of lunar items from risk of rain 2)

also maybe you will be given a choice to keep picking cards, OR choose a different route and pick a huge pack of debuffs for the next 10 stages, therefore skipping card picking

[rocky flower]

No.
Just replace it with Infinity Castle.

[thick zinc]

why not? they want to go with another route, just copying infinity castle wont work obviously

[hazy beacon]

Pls just replace paragon with inf castle I hate seeing the same map over and over

[thick zinc]

cmon, you know that this is not going to happen

[thick zinc]

b

[gray trellis]

"No.
Just make that shit as bland as they get"

[woven ore]

infinity castle was way better than current paragon is

[gray trellis]

it was BLAND

[woven ore]

placing the same units on the same map picking the same cards multiple times over and over is NOT fun

[woven ore]

how is paragon any better then

card picking simulator every time you join it

[gray trellis]

I'm not saying Paragon is fun, I'm saying Infinity Castle is Worse

[woven ore]

nah inf castle is way better

[gray trellis]

that's your personal opinion, and this was my personal opinion, obviously asking for a similar game-mode, is something else, but asking to replace paragon with infinity castle is not it

[woven ore]

not saying to replace it, it can stay for all i care but i refuse to gind that boring ass mode

[hazy valley]

Just if they add reward as paragon to unf castle it will be op...
And the thing is paragon was considered better than inf castle at the beginning.
But as they nerf the mode it seems like bad.

[woven ore]

miss the days where i had to grind 100 rooms (i think or was it 50) and got a unit when the season ended

[gray trellis]

100 rooms ye, but the maps, and everything were pre-determined, which is why there were docs for it

[hazy valley]

Just people want the facility. The easiness of inf castle + reward of the paragon mode.
No need to add inf castle as u can already manually farm gems easily.

[woven ore]

if the maps were rng based then ppl would complain since the bosses on some maps were easier than others, a map change every now and then jus gives the mode more diversity tbh

a paragon for each story mode sucks ass although the achievements for it is nice

would rather have a cap on 25 stages for each story map then a version of paragon where maps are different like inf castle

[thick zinc]

bump

why are people talking about infinite castle and not saying anything about my ideas

[thick zinc]

bump

[true crystal]

People think infinty castle and Paragon are the same thing I think or is meant to be the same thing

[fathom storm]

im infinity castle> paragon camp here picking so many cards isnt fun and boring doing same map

[pliant mountain]

how is infinite castle different? i never played AA

[woven ore]

newgen

inf castle was basically the same idea as paragon but without cards and the maps would change every 3-5 stages

if you got to room 100 you got the unit but the lb players got the shiny version

[thick zinc]

dude i gave a fix to this problem, how about you say something about my ideas?

i never said anything about infinite castle, i want devs to fix the problem with picking like 30 cards, where did all of this even start

[fathom storm]

How about nah
Infinity castle would just be better

[thick zinc]

[true crystal]

Both are gonna be in the game sooner or later 💔

[woven ore]

real

[pliant mountain]

not a new gen since i played the actual OG tower defense game astd

[harsh lava]

This entire discussion says a lot about every ATD game that has released.

[steel tinsel]

if they bundled them up would be even more unplayable on higher stages (giga rng), maybe the 2nd idea a bit better, like u chose 1 special and 4 normal cards in order of prio u want them, and then it scales based on stages, but then sometimes its nice to take dodge over strong so idk, for buffs and both buff debuff card, i think it would add another rng. Paragons biggest problem other than being pretty boring is card chosing and card rng, also u reset lobby till u get good special card, they need to delete some or add way to chose 1 u want every time u enter(special card), and sometimes on 100+ paragons u can get 1 strong or 10 which eventually will matter on some maps

Also just add inf castle seems 100x more fun than paragon ...

[thick zinc]

why unplayable? the cards debuffs would be equal to 5 rounds of picking cards (more or less)

[steel tinsel]

cuz what if u get dodge strong rengen, speed spa shield, speed strong regen, thats instant run ender if u get more than 3 dodge and speed is completly unplayable

also u want to avoid strong as much as possible, and dodge u wont pick more than 1/2 no matter what

[thick zinc]

well, unlucky, you can get unlucky right now too

[thick zinc]

its all rng

[steel tinsel]

ye but bundles would be a lot more rng, 2nd idea isnt bad tho could be alternative, personally i dont like taking even 1 dodge, and strong pretty sure doesnt work properly so idk if taking 10 is good/bad

[thick zinc]

well i dont think that there are much fixes to this problem, its either more rng or we are gonna always pick 30 cards

[steel tinsel]

have to consider higher stages like 120/150 then its impossible tto get 0 bad bundles and its gg
if u start run w 4 scaling cards its not rng, then it just scales based off odds, so on avg would be worse than current system but u dont pick cards so its nice

[thick zinc]

there are alot of workarounds and things that you can implement in order to make thins easier, they can make it so the debuffs have different chances of appearing in a bundle, or give like 3 rerolls of cards

[thick zinc]

or, as i said, a card that has a buff and a debuff, which would help with bundle variety

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[harsh lava]

Newsflash Paragon always sucked

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they already did something similar for the new raids sooo

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[thick zinc]

dont promote your thing in here