Pity for units

[lyric viper]

We should get pity for units so we don't go insane.

What I mean and why?

We should get pity for rengoku at 100 clears since it's 1%
Igris should be 134 clears by that logic.

I know this might sound stupid because it's all chances so it could take up 1000 tries aswell if you're really unlucky, but overall I feel it would help balancing and improving the experience of the game not having to complete the same stage 200+ times for a single unit.

[rancid thorn]

pity is supposed to be if you get unlucky, making pity the same as the amount of times you get a drop on avg is not how we would add htis

[lyric viper]

You are right actually but having to do the same stage 200 times just doesn't seem right to me. Especially when a single run takes 5-6mins. 200x5mins is 16 hours.

[wide hearth]

Hey do you know if there is plans to reset tournament cus of the freeze bug? Where it perma freezes

[rancid thorn]

sup

everyone can do it easily so prob not

[wide hearth]

Okay cool cool thanks

[rancid thorn]

and it only affect near end of run

[wide hearth]

True, just asking incase I do it and it gets reset, thanks❤️

[spice flame]

It doesn’t seem right but that’s how it is. If pity is 100 runs might as well not be exclusive anymore.

[void lily]

yeah but in terms of leaderboards thats the most signifcant for getting top 3

[civic marlin]

Everyone can do it tho

[void lily]

everyone cant get 2300+ u can only do that with the bug

[civic marlin]

Well if he plans not to deal with it and everyone can still do it now then idk, I’d just use it tbh, but perma freezing is broken asf tho

[void lily]

also freeze can bug when done by a different unit of the same copy so it also makes it more rng

[civic marlin]

Like if you have two players Julias it can bug?

[void lily]

if one julias procs the freeze and then a different one does it sometimes it wont freeze at all

[civic marlin]

Freeze has cd no? Would be broken if you can just keep freezing the same character over and over, freeze and slow are diff. Unless I’m misunderstanding some

[void lily]

thats not what im saying, im saying even after the CD time

[civic marlin]

Ah that’s tragic shit idk what they’re gonna do then

[lyric viper]

I'd say it's not exclusive because of the chances, look at igris for example. I think rengoku might leave at some point? Judging by the fact that battlepas unit's are exclusive aswell and they became unobtainable.

[merry shuttle]

You’re gonna get them sooner or later if u grind for it. I got mine at 180 runs

[lyric viper]

sorry for the ping, but can you check this one out? I can't play tournaments because of this https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1301985551595081841

[rancid thorn]

?

[lyric viper]

I can't start it at all, matter of fact, cant check leaderboard, cant swap between traitless and trait, cant even leave the menu once I open it. Even if I rejoin doesn't change anything

But I only have that issue on that account only for some reason.

[lyric viper]

if it won't be fixed before tournament ends, can we expect some compensation?

[languid violet]

nah

its fine how it is

[vestal wave]

Pity ruins the units rarity

[trail sapphire]

if they do decide to add a pity system to exclusive units ONLY, because Rengoku will actually be unobtainable, so maybe for these exclusive units where you have a chance of getting them after completing a stage, sure, pity can actually be kinda aceptable, but only after a big number of runs like idk, 500? 600? but for units that are SECRETS like Igris, that won't become unobtainable adn will stay in the game for the rest of it, there shouldn't be any pity. And yeah, pity kinda ruins the rarity of the Exclusive units, but if the pity is really high, it would be acceptable

[languid violet]

yeah the point of their chance is so they're rare and something to grind for

[trail sapphire]

exactly, but I already saw ppl with over 400 runs and no Rengoku/Igris which is completely wild

[languid violet]

exclusive units become more valuable from it too

[vestal wave]

Pity ruins excusive units rarity thats the reason there is no pity

[trail sapphire]

same thing with Alucard, some ppl get him from the first pulls, while I with almost 500k gems spent don't have a single Alu, there is this youtuber named NagBlox that had over 1M gems spent and no Alucard, and after update 1 proceeded to get 2 Alus lmao

[vestal wave]

its all luck

[trail sapphire]

yep, it's sad, but it is what it is

[vestal wave]

tough lxk

[trail sapphire]

can't wait to get a tournament where Alu will get buffed by tournament ellement buff and I'll be left crying cuz no Alu

[lyric viper]

yeah grind for, spend 20 hours just for a single unit. It gets boring after a while you know and takes your will away from playing the game doing the same thing over and over for 150 times for. Because it takes quite a lot of time to get it if you dont get it in the first 100 run.

[languid violet]

I'm sure the game will be less repetitive after a couple of updates

[lyric viper]

Even later on I won't think it's okay to do the same thing for 150 times.

[trail sapphire]

want me to take away your will to even get exclusives? The only exclusives that might be usable are buff units, Rengoku is not one of the best picks as a DPS, he needs another Burn unit like Jog-o to actually be usable, and still, something like Igris + SJW is better or even Alucard + Choso, Julias is good for now bcs he is the first freeze unit, with good dmg, Toji also has a good dmg output but probably his best thing is how he instantly breaks shield, he can be used as a DPS, but there are allways other DPS better than him, even the tournament units like Mahito and the other guy I forgot the name are not gona be meta breaking or almost even usable, so Exclusives are only worth it for like... 1% of the game content, you only get the exclusives if you actually want to grind the hell out of the game, get pretty much every unit and save those exclusives for specific stuff like the tournaments

[vestal wave]

mahito and mechamaru are from tournoment😭

[trail sapphire]

that's what I said

[vestal wave]

and toji is literally gaurented if you do his quest

[lyric viper]

Never said I want rengoku to use him. It's the fact that it takes to much time to get it doing the same thing over and over and gets boring way to fast.

[trail sapphire]

my point is that exclusive units are not meant to be completely broken and meta breaking

so honestly, you just get those units if you want to have them for this and that or to say "yo I got this unit"

[lyric viper]

They could just simply add pity to like rengoku and a limited time to obtain them.

[trail sapphire]

Rengoku IS limited

[vestal wave]

that runis there excusive ness

if you want units with pity theres banner units

[trail sapphire]

honestly, if you miss on an exclusive unit, you're not missing on anything too important, also, there will be trading in the game, and only exclusive units will be tradeable

[lyric viper]

So if its limited but has a pity its not exclusive anymore or what? Doesn't make any sense

[trail sapphire]

it's just not that rare, it loses it's value in future trading

[lyric viper]

If you miss on an exclusive unit and trading is not in the game your collection is messed up.

[lyric viper]

Come on someone has already 15 of it, that ruins it more.

[trail sapphire]

bcs they grinded it and got lucky lol

I got 2 Rengokus and 2 Igris

[lyric viper]

But allowing a single person grinding 15 of it wont lower the value but adding a pity does lower it?

[trail sapphire]

the person chose to grind for 15 Rengokus

[vestal wave]

ok if you want pity for rengoku what would you think the pity number would be

[trail sapphire]

you can also grind for alot of Rengokus

no one's stopping you

not to mention that by grinding for exclusives like Rengoku means that you also grind alot of other stuff, for example XP, webs, gems, Unit XP

[lyric viper]

Then go ahead do it. But I did 130 runs not a single one. If we calculate with 1 run being 6 mins thats 13hours for something that is not even guaranteed. That really messes up the experience

[trail sapphire]

O chose not to grind for 15 Rengokus lol

[lyric viper]

Yup, 30 gems and 50 gold is a lot for sure. 100 runs get you 3k gems only and 5k gold and again that takes up to 10 hours just for all that

[lean timber]

while i agree there should be some sort of pity, it should not be that forgiving, i believe if pity is implemented it should atleast be double the average attempts, so for example rengoku average is 100 so 200 attempts to hit pity

[trail sapphire]

100 or 200 is too low

[vestal wave]

pity would have to be 500 or sum

pity at 100 to 200 people would just tiny task it

[trail sapphire]

exactly

[lean timber]

alternatively there could be a soft pity that starts at an extra 50% attempts of the average, so in rengoku's case, 150 and it increases slowly per attempt past that

[lyric viper]

500 is way to much time. I'd agree with around 150-200.

[vestal wave]

hell naw

[lean timber]

im sad they arent doing anything about third party tools 😭 , they ruin so many things about the game
what i said is for if the stages are not able to be automated of course

[short vale]

Guys when is hollowen update is this another 3 weak no update

[lyric viper]

Also keep in mind there are some people on consoles and mobile who cant tinytask it.

[lean timber]

nobody should have to go through more than twice the average amount of time it takes to get something, getting unlucky sure but past that extent is far too much
statistically 15% of players go 200 attempts without getting rengoku which is really unfortunate

[trail sapphire]

wait, that actually could be a good idea, instead of pity, just increase the chance of getting Rengoku like Sukuna spawn rate at Shibuya Infinite, the bigger the wave, the bigger the spawn rate, could be about the same Soft Pity system

[lean timber]

yeah, but of course it would start increasing at a high amount of attempts, not at the average amount

[vestal wave]

the game isnt on console

[trail sapphire]

maybe after like 200 clears, which would be double the amount of clears that STATISTICALLY is required to get Rengoku, the chance of getting him increases by 0.5%

[lean timber]

at the very least, 50% more than the average
after hitting that extra 50%(to make sure its understood i mean 150th attempt in rengoku's case) then every attempt past that it could increase the change by for example 0.5%, so if you still dont have it by attempt 200 you should atleast have a 25% chance of getting him the attempts past

[lyric viper]

Then just the mobile players. Still having to spend that amount of time just for a unit that isn't even that great..

[lean timber]

at twice the average chance i guess it shouldnt be too bad, but wait what if it increases in stages

[trail sapphire]

?

[languid violet]

portals are fun when you do them that much in my opinion

[trail sapphire]

like different stages where you can get Rengoku and the hardest the stage the higher the chance? meeeh...

[languid violet]

AA portals and halloween gamemode were fun grinding in in my opinion

[lyric viper]

But AA portals wasnt the same. Diffrent maps, diffrent buffs/debuffs also Halloween gamemode you had to be active because you had to choose.
But in this case you do the exact same thing over and over for 150 times and if you dont get him the rewards on the other hand isnt even that great for the amount of time you spent

Because when you grind Igris you actually get green essence on the other hand that is usefull for crafting overall

[lean timber]

what i mean by this is it at in this case attempt 150th every stage from 150 to 200 it increases the chance of getting him by 0.1%, making it a +2%(3% total in this case) increased chance of getting by by the time you hit 200, from 200-infinity it then starts increasing by 0.3% instead for example
could be split into 2 stages like this

[vestal wave]

The Halloween game mode is literally just paragon

[lean timber]

btw jot im curious, you would be okay with something like what i said if automation wasnt possible right?

[lyric viper]

Not at all, you could obtain Cid and got candies that got you capsules that got you like 4 mythics and 1 secret and many skins

[stiff tundra]

Make unit drop pity 1000 games 🗣️🗣️

[stiff tundra]

They should make it like if rengoku is technically should be obtained at 100 games the pity is 200 or smth 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[vestal wave]

I was talking about the basic parts of the Halloween event

[lean timber]

at the very least yea

[vestal wave]

Wdym?

[lyric viper]

Increasing chance would be great if it gets reseted after obtaining the unit.

[trail sapphire]

that would ruin it

[stiff tundra]

Nuh uh get to grinding

[trail sapphire]

I did grind, I got 2 Rengokus lol

[stiff tundra]

Well why are you complaining then smh

[vestal wave]

That is terrible

[lyric viper]

I've seen someone post he has 3k runs for rengoku just to get shiny and he has like 60 rengokus but 0 shiny, might be cap tho

[trail sapphire]

I'm not? XD

[vestal wave]

In simple terms making a pity system for exclusives ruins a units value

[stiff tundra]

You kinda were but okay

[lyric viper]

How is it terrible?

[lean timber]

soft pity, which basically means chance increases with every attempt, in rengoku's case for example it could increase very slowly from attempt 150 to 200, then past 200 it increases faster per attempt until you get it, this would eliminate the agony of going thru many attempts without having anything to show for the time spent and still let players feel like they got lucky due to it not being a 100% guarantee

[vestal wave]

That would just make it easier for the people who tiny task

[lyric viper]

Still not thinking about people who doesn't use tinytask...

[vestal wave]

If they didn’t want rengoku to be rare they would of just made his drop chance

High

[lyric viper]

Also they could add the pity only for the very first obtain.

[trail sapphire]

kinda weren't but alright, I was explaining that having a pity system kinda ruins the unit's value and how Exclusive units are not completely necessary, only for like 1% of the game's content, and then agreed with the soft pity system that Jose sugested, you misunderstood bcs you joined at the middle of the conversation and didn't look into the previous messages but that's okay

[vestal wave]

Pity will NOT be getting added

All the exclusives are balanced

[vestal wave]

There is no need for pity on them

[lyric viper]

That is your opinion.

[trail sapphire]

the exclusives are not even meta, they're only good for specific game content

[stiff tundra]

Isnt there only one exclusive raid unit anyways others are guaranteed if you grind

[trail sapphire]

LMAO

[lean timber]

so uhh you dont mind in the future being in the 2% of players who dont get the unit by attempt 500 doing all those attempts manually?

you know this is over 50 hours right?

[buoyant salmon]

ngl but fr people be just doin 1-2 nights of tiny task and get these units. only mobile players are suffering ngl

[lean timber]

im a pc player and i dont use tools to automate my gameplay

[stiff tundra]

Thats just bad luck blame chance not the devs (though they do also have some contribution because they were the ones who decided that drop%)

[buoyant salmon]

then dont do it but others will

[languid violet]

It gave us a chance of getting a secret and candy for capsules, current paragon is difficult and barely rewarding

[lyric viper]

Even if theres a pity or no tinytask users will tinytask. This would improve only the experience since tinytask user couldn't care less.

[trail sapphire]

if it is exclusive it SHOULDN'T be meta, so he won't be missing on anything important, also, trading will be added at some point where only exclusives are tradeable, so he can allways trade another exclusive for the one he didn't get, no need for pity, the soft pity isn't that bad of an idea tho

[lean timber]

..., do you not know that % increases to 4% after the next stage exclusive, then 6% after the next one(yeah i know im technically not saying the truth, what i mean is that if you go agaisnt a 2% chance enough times, eventually you will hit it)

[vestal wave]

i was talking about the basics

[buoyant salmon]

igris litterly is still one of the most strong characters

[lyric viper]

The halloween mode was built on the event, the capsules.

[stiff tundra]

Well thats if your idea gets added but yes if you play a stage infinite amount of times you will get that drop an infinite amount

[lean timber]

umm no, thats whats happening as of this very moment

[vestal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/too-many-losing-heroines-anna-anna-yanami-make-heroine-makeinu-gif-16029912094377254568

[trail sapphire]

bcs they're a secret, not exclusive

[stiff tundra]

Damn i didnt notice

[lean timber]

wait i think you missunderstood what i wrote, lemme try again

[trail sapphire]

igris will never be unobtainable, they will be in the Double Dungeon Legend Stage 3 for the rest of the game, they're a secret bcs of that

[vestal wave]

just know pity wont be added if devs wanted pity it would of been added already

[lyric viper]

Isnt the game for the community? If the community wants something reasonable they should add it to improve the experience

[lean timber]

so what i mean is that 2% of the total players have to go past 500 attempts to get rengoku, correct? lets say you are one of those players, you might be in that 2% that need to go past 500, but probably not right? however, whenever a 1% exclusive gets added, that 2% happens again, so on, which means eventually statistically you are likely going to hit that 2%, and so will all other players

[trail sapphire]

the comunity wants a shiny monarch alucard

[lean timber]

i tried to make it as simple as i could, not sure i could explain it 'better'

[narrow palm]

and its in game

[stiff tundra]

I get it now thank you for explaining this to someone like your explaining it to a highschooler

[vestal wave]

its a gacha game

[trail sapphire]

yeah, ppl just need to be lucky, I would like to be lucky

[stiff tundra]

Dont play if you cant handle the gambling fr 🔥🔥🔥

[vestal wave]

this isnt reasonable

[lean timber]

i cant tell if you are being sarcastic 💀 but if you arent, you see how thats really bad right?

[lyric viper]

It's about wasting your time for a unit that is bad just to complete the collection yet still not obtaining it even after an absurd amount of time

[trail sapphire]

he's here to shitpost

[lean timber]

goddamnit

[trail sapphire]

and that's what Gacha Games are about, grinding the hell out of the game to get something you're not sure if you're ever going to get to get better at the game

[stiff tundra]

I mean people play this to spend time no? Playing this is a waste of time anyways you dont really gain anything if you play the game if you get or dont get this cool exclusive unit

[lean timber]

just because its a gacha game doesnt mean it has to be bad though
it can be better and i want it to be better, i know the devs are capable of it

[stiff tundra]

Theres like 2 raid units anyways they will be power crept eventually

[lyric viper]

Overall you play something to achive some kind of success no?

[vestal wave]

if pity where added to raids it would work like stain raid a really diffuculy satge

and it would be a must have unit

[lean timber]

well story based games are something else, they are giga awesome

[lyric viper]

I'd be fine with that, for example AA had Budha pity, the unit was 1% but had pity at 25 completed raids

[stiff tundra]

Yeah but this "success" isnt really worth anything its still a waste of time if you get it easily or spend hours on it

[vestal wave]

thats becaus the raids where hard as hell normal raids are easy

[lyric viper]

I mean raid supposed to be hard and require many people overall no? not just being soloable, thats the point of raid

[trail sapphire]

and that would ruin the game, newer players wouldn't be able to get the unit, and wouldn't be able to compete to certain game content bcs they don't have that unit

[lean timber]

AA was bad, this game should not be a slave to AA and do everything it did
the only reason people think AA was good is because it was the least bad game at the time

[narrow palm]

arent raids suppose to be hard??

[vestal wave]

exactly

[vestal wave]

there where somethings that aa did good

[narrow palm]

Ive been saying this everyone keeps bringing up AA instead of telling them to do what AA didnt do

[vestal wave]

theres plenty of things that AA should of done

[lean timber]

the units and effects dont count because they are comissions

[trail sapphire]

the only other Roblox TD game i played was All Stars lol

[vestal wave]

yewa

[lyric viper]

Exactly why I didnt say AA raid pity till someone mentioned it

[lean timber]

may you recover 🙏

[vestal wave]

just know pity wount be happening

[stiff tundra]

Only reason i played that because it was the only anime td out there its such a boring and repetitive game

[lean timber]

andrevious didnt confirm it wont #1302012534978515044 message

[lyric viper]

exactly

[trail sapphire]

lmao I only started grinding once Meliodas was added, he's my favourite character so I didn't care about meta and stuff, I just wanted him, then I started playing a bit more ONLY to get the units I wanted, never went for like leaderboards or completely end game content and stuff

[lean timber]

good shit

[vestal wave]

its just unlikley

[lean timber]

then you are lying 😭

[vestal wave]

?

[trail sapphire]

the moment SDS characters are added to the game I'm farming this game until I got a triple Godly Meliodas with the best Traits, idc lmao

[lean timber]

you cant say things wont happen without a shadow of a doubt and then say "its unlikely", you are contradicting yourself, thats what i mean yes, also sorry if this sounds harsh its not how i mean it

[vestal wave]

I’m just saying if they wanted pity in the game it would of happened

[lean timber]

could say this about many things that did happen

[vestal wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020051428678574140/1291518795537449071/IMG_2326.gif

[trail sapphire]

he kinda got you there...

[vestal wave]

True

[lyric viper]

Just because they dont want something at the moment but the community really wants it they might do it.

[lean timber]

im trying to seem the least offensive i can 😭 that doesnt help

[vestal wave]

You can say thing about farmable rr

[trail sapphire]

LMAO

[stiff tundra]

Is that the guy from seraph of the end

[trail sapphire]

yes, Yuichiro Hyakuya from Seraph of the End, with Red Details on the Clothes instead of Green and grey eyes instead of green

[stiff tundra]

Really cool you reminded me of the series maybe i should read the manga i didnt really like the anime

[vestal wave]

If pity were to be added it would have to be some night number

That the only way to balance it

[trail sapphire]

I find the soft pity idea actually good

it's not guaranteed but gives unlucky people a higher chance, and it doesn't need to be broken, I think the best would be adding 0.5% after every 200 clears or something

[merry shuttle]

nah what is this hoyoverse, screw the pity

[trail sapphire]

lmao

[lean timber]

if its not automateable it should be fine if it isnt really high
so to talk in statistics, 85% of people get it by attempt 200 atleast once(yes this statistic accounts for multiple drops) and so 15% of people do not get it by attempt 200
this would add about 15% more volume of the unit to the economy(or actually less, since the 85% can get it multiple times but im not an expert on this)

[lean timber]

so whats 15%(probably less) more of the unit added to the economy if tens of thousand of players get to not have an agonizing time

[vestal wave]

[vestal wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268002578667536438/1300514340159488020/togif.gif

I ain’t reading allat

[lean timber]

literally me

[trail sapphire]

hellll naaaah

[lean timber]

nuh uh, you chose to discuss, so you are going to read it!

[merry shuttle]

if these people really wanted the unit, they would get it. Look how long rengoku been up for at 1% chance, there’s even a fortune catalyst for those unbelievably unlucky.

[vestal wave]

Keep playing I’ll delete this post rn

[trail sapphire]

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIIIIIIS

[lean timber]

but we are discussing about the post 😭 , you cant do that, we are within our rights

[vestal wave]

How about this instead of pity they add where if you bring the update units it increases the drop chance

[trail sapphire]

basically the same as the Kimetsu raids, but instead of the DMG buff it increases the drop chance?

[lean timber]

even if chance is 5%, there will be one person who will go 50000 attempts without it, statistically

[merry shuttle]

Lowkey W idea

[vestal wave]

Yes

[lean timber]

but i suppose that could be a good feature, but does not replace pity, pity should still be present

[vestal wave]

It’s one or the other

[trail sapphire]

I think that's pushing our luck...

[lean timber]

in that case pity is by far the better feature, as it ensures players dont go a agonizing amount of stages knowing that all the effort they put is for vain due to it not adding to anything

[spice flame]

I HIGHLY doubt that they will ever implement a unit pity

[lean timber]

a higher chance when using certain units doesnt ensure anything

[merry shuttle]

Nah bro there’s 0 need for a pity…..

[spice flame]

but what if someone goes 1000 attempts without a unit though?

[lean timber]

people have

[merry shuttle]

womp womp

[vestal wave]

I say my idea is most likely to get added

[spice flame]

Just because people have doesn’t warrant a need for a pity though

[trail sapphire]

exclusives are not needed in any way, only in like 1% of the content, unless it is a buff unit, and better than Haruka

[merry shuttle]

Buy fortune catalysts then.

[vestal wave]

Having no pity makes the unit more special to have since it’s rare

[spice flame]

I know I was being sarcastic

[lean timber]

make it its own suggestion, since its unrelated from this its better and more likely if you make it into its own suggestion

[merry shuttle]

pretty related

[lean timber]

it doesnt do anything that pity does or viceversa

[trail sapphire]

oh

[merry shuttle]

this dude joseph is mad he doesn’t have alucard, and spent 500 runs for rengoku and igris each

[vestal wave]

No need I can just talk to the dev myself

[lean timber]

oh!, they are used to the staff telling them about features? in my case i'd find it annoying but if they are into it awesome

[vestal wave]

They can say the same thing about yall

[trail sapphire]

you know what? I'm bored, give me an anime character so that I make a unit suggestion for the game, please avoid animes like One Piece, BNHA and others with high chances of taking the game down bcs of "that character is mine" problems

[merry shuttle]

did yall know if u get to wave 50 in an inf, 49 waves have passed. 😱😱

[lean timber]

😭 that is a statement, you are right i dont got alucard, but i wasnt extremely unlucky on igris and rengoku(although many were, and eventually it will be our turn), in my case igris 250 and rengoku 150

[merry shuttle]

me too man, me too. 500k gems deep no alucard bro.

[trail sapphire]

same

[lean timber]

i mean, of course, but it is different to contacting them directly, think of it like someone coming to your house to ask you something, if you want that awesome but if you arent expecting any visitors its annoying
while the people complaining could think of it like phone calls