Add Soft pity

[digital mountain]

100 runs is nothing

[crimson prairie]

Trading market would tank if there was pity.

[chilly ledge]

As for how it would work, after the average number of attempts(for example for 1% chance it would be 100 attempts), the chance could be increased by 0.5% per attempt past that, so if the chance is for example 1% and your on attempt 150, chance would have become 25%, but perhaps this is too generous

[chilly ledge]

blame macroers lol, plus it has already tanked hard even though trading is not even out yet

[zealous wharf]

This is L

[chilly ledge]

see if you think the same way once you become one of those who it takes 400 attempts to get the unit

oh and of course im sure it wont be macroable in the future, so im sure you would enjoy spending 80+ hours doing runs manually for a single unit

[zealous wharf]

I only got the igris after 470 runs🎭

[chilly ledge]

did you do it manually? if not, then it doesnt count, if you didnt do it manually then it wasnt you who spent that time

[zealous wharf]

50 hours are still 50 hours even if it was AFK🤷

[chilly ledge]

your being extremely biased, you havent experienced the feeling of doom over spending time knowing it could take so much more time and not even get what your trying to get, and you refuse to acknowledge that its a thing you would experience

[chilly ledge]

your being extremely biased, you havent experienced the feeling of doom over spending time knowing it could take so much more time and not even get what your trying to get, and you refuse to acknowledge that its a thing you would experience due to playing not manually most probably being not possible in the future for these units

soft pity is meant to remedy that feeling of doom

[zealous wharf]

Just farm more🪲

[delicate dragon]

Hell naw

[wraith pawn]

Do more 300 I suffered as well

[delicate dragon]

Not happening

It’s too bad

[wraith pawn]

Fr

Look at this I suffered so he needs to suffer too

[delicate dragon]

No igris yet?

[wraith pawn]

I got one smh but I lost my sanity that time

[delicate dragon]

Happens to the best of us

Soft pity is still lowkey crazy

[wraith pawn]

He got it from Als 100% they have item and unit pity

[chilly ledge]

oh it has soft pity? or normal pity?

[urban kite]

trait pity too 🗣️

[wraith pawn]

Like if you do 30 Runs you get the item/unit

[chilly ledge]

guaranteed?

[urban kite]

maybe he meants the chance increases more run you do

[wraith pawn]

Yep

[chilly ledge]

ye thats what soft pity means
@wraith pawn then this suggestion isnt based on als

[ruby aspen]

Maybe at like 100 runs chance goes to 5% 😈

[wraith pawn]

It's kinda similar tho

[ripe hollow]

100 runs is baby food

[chilly ledge]

i was thinking this

[ripe hollow]

They’re secret and exclusive for a reason

[chilly ledge]

well then why not make it so its not obtainable under 100 attempts if we go by that logic lol

[ripe hollow]

It’s luck based

[chilly ledge]

luck is not something one can control

[ripe hollow]

Same as any other tower defense game, if they gave out every secret unit then the game would be pointless and players would have no incentive to grind the game

[neon oriole]

if they prioritize the fun of the game then adding soft pity is good

[ripe hollow]

Getting lucky with a pull or a run is part of the fun of the game

[chilly ledge]

right, so there should be a % of people trying for 500+ attempts with the constant feeling of doom that they wont get anything in the end...
you better hope you wont be in that %

soft pity is not to guarantee at the chance it says, its to remove that feeling of doom

without it, you could spend 50+ hours manually playing and not getting rewarded at all for it(50 hours is being generous)

[ripe hollow]

Better then every person having every unit and then having nothing else to do, just look at all the people complaining about lack of content already, its because they farmed for these secret units so much. Imagine the secret units then being 2x easier to get, would make everyone quit the game after 2 days

[chilly ledge]

its because they use automation tools.., they didnt play for more than 2 hours total, all they did is do each stage once and run macros overnight, of course they cry about lack of content, they get everything without doing anything

also "Imagine the secret units then being 2x easier to get", what are you talking about lol, it wouldnt be easier to get, at all, it just would remove the chance of one spending 10 times longer than the usual person would

[ripe hollow]

By making it easier to get bro wdym 😭😭 upping the chances of getting the unit is quite literally just making it easier to get

[chilly ledge]

also rengoku is already ruined, so many people just automated the stage and have over 30 rengokus

[ripe hollow]

Also by adding soft pity the macroers also get the same higher chances, why not just push for a harder stage that has higher chances for the unit like the igris raid

[chilly ledge]

it seems you missunderstood severely, so, lemme explain, so lets say chance is 1%, and you spend 15+ hours doing attempts and get to attempt 100, by that point over 60% of people would have gotten the unit atleast once

[chilly ledge]

so now, lets do that again but up to attempt 200, by that point over 86% of people would have gotten atleast 1 rengoku, 14% of players go 200 attempts without rengoku

at 300 attempts, its 5% of players that get to that point, now, 5% of people is a ton of people, and you could be one of them, do you want to be one of them?

at 400 attempts, its 2% of players that get to that point, at 500 its 0.7% of players

do you think its okay for 0.7% of players to spend 70 hours manually grinding for something that over 60% of players got in under 14 hours grinding?

[ripe hollow]

So would you rather that 5% of players quit and dont get the unit, or 75% of the playerbase gets every unit and quits in 3 days

[chilly ledge]

its already 66% of the playerbase that get the unit at 100 attempts, and 86% that get it at 200

[ripe hollow]

Ok, so by adding soft pity then everyone gets the unit and it’s not secret or exclusive anymore

[chilly ledge]

but it is, its secret to those who spend that effort to get it, if one does not put in the effort, they dont get it, that simple right?

i dont understand why you think spending so much effort and not getting rewarded is okay

[ripe hollow]

Yea thats why its so rare now, making it so much easier to get would ruin the feeling of accomplishment and achievement that you get from finally getting it

[chilly ledge]

like, you cant look at this and think "yeah thats okay", i simply dont believe you

[chilly ledge]

soft pity doesnt add guarantee, it makes it less likely to go 500 attempts without getting it
it also does not make it easier to get, at all, if 85% of people get it by attempt 200, why should the 15% left suffer past that

[ripe hollow]

I think it’s a better alternative than handing out the unit like candy, if everyone has it the people that did get it are not going to feel as accomplished or feel like their grinding was worth it

[chilly ledge]

by the 200 attempt point, you wont be happy about getting it, you'll be happy that you can stop doing the raid

[chilly ledge]

damn its like you dont know there is a ton of people with 30 rengokus

[chilly ledge]

also not everyone will spend 20+ hours grinding for a unit, of course one would get accomplished at getting rewarded for that time spent, what your saying is like being egotistical over other people thinking one is better than others due to getting lucky, if you want that feeling you might aswell download one of those horrible mobile games where you can spend 20k euros to screw over other people's progress

[ripe hollow]

They have 30 rengokus because theyre afk farming 100+ hours, thats not even .5% of the community

[chilly ledge]

wrong, its atleast 3%, would go as to say 5% of the community, but thats not as likely as 3%
rengoku is absolutely worthless

i would say haruka rin too but now that bots got banned im not so sure

[ripe hollow]

You really believe 3000 people are farming 100+ hours afk?

[chilly ledge]

yes, of course

[ripe hollow]

Thats ridiculous lmfao

[chilly ledge]

you just havent seen enough, the community is extremely passionate about not playing the game

[delicate dragon]

That is terrible

[chilly ledge]

trait pity is a whole different topic, not sure how to go about that

[delicate dragon]

Or just don’t add pity to anything except banners

[chilly ledge]

nah remove pity from banners, we need to make mythic units feel good to get, or whatever that guy is saying lol

[urban kite]

if there's no pity for trait then p2w will rule the game

since there's no way to get more rrs unless you camp for challenges and quest

[chilly ledge]

they always will, its the point of the trait system and other things(such as alucard)

there are systems in place to make it that way, its intended

[delicate dragon]

You’re acting as if p2w hasn’t always been the advantage

[urban kite]

im just suggesting im not trynna beef

[chilly ledge]

oh sorry if i came off as agressive, just meant to discuss it

[vapid void]

[wraith pawn]

Damn slide one Rengoku pls when Trade comes

[urban kite]

ill offer 5 rrs for normal rengoku

[chilly ledge]

i wonder if 5 rerolls is too much for one rengoku lol

[urban kite]

ill add 3 essences

[late smelt]

i said soft pity not actual pity

soft pity doesnt mean you get it after a certain attempt just increases the chanes after each run when a certain criteria is met

[late smelt]

why are we acting as if these units were ever a "secret" and soft pity does not even mean your 100% getting it you can still not get it with soft pity

[late smelt]

cause somehow afking doesnt also ruin secret values

[late smelt]

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[late smelt]

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[urban kite]

Why ❌ ?

[vapid void]

Cuz not interesting

[late smelt]

not interesting = x??

[vapid void]

Ye, cuz soft pity = casual game

[late smelt]

this game isnt a harcore game ☠️

[vapid void]

man, I think you should play something harder than AD

[late smelt]

your playing tower defense games that barely require using more than 10 braincells but your babbling about difficulty 😭

Cant give me a single valid reason to NOT add soft pity

[chilly ledge]

they'll change their mind once they cant automate exclusives dw, they just have yet to experience the feeling of doom when being at 300 attempts and having absolutely nothing to show for it, knowing that one could do 300 more attempts and still not get it

[viscid herald]

Yall say this but i went 400 portals in aa without it getting boron (all manual) and i still wouldn’t want soft pity, i would want to end up getting the unit after some cheap ass percent increase that panders to me because my luck sucks, if thats the case should we have soft pity for shinies as well? Should we have soft pity for mythic traits? No we shouldn’t because its dumb 😭

[late smelt]

Shinies are 100% cosmetic there is litearlly 0 reason to need pity/soft pity for them
seeing that theres a chance you never get a mythic trait, Yeah i could argue that you can add soft pity for them but this thread is about adding soft pity for secrets/exclusives so i dont know why you tryna bring up even more controversial topics that got nothing to do with this

[crimson prairie]

Being able to get the unit in 300 or 3 attempts is a part of the game. Getting a unit from a % increase isn’t satisfying.

It would be more logical to argue in support of a soft pity for mythic traits.

[chilly ledge]

getting it in 300 attempts without pity/soft pity isnt satisfying either lol

there is a deep relief that you wont have to feel that agonizing despair going through so many attempts though

[crimson prairie]

oh but I have

I did 200+ portals for secret pain in anime adventures.

I’m pretty familiar with the despair of grinding for a unit.

[crimson prairie]

No one should feel horrible about getting a unit after 300 attempts. I wouldn’t feel good knowing that because I did so many portals the game is gonna throw me bone either.

[crimson prairie]

I’m not sure what your point is

[crimson prairie]

That’s every tower defense game. It’s how they keep people playing. It doesn’t feel good but you aren’t forced to play the game 24/7.

[chilly ledge]

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[late smelt]

seems more like a reason to quit than to keep playing

[chilly ledge]

yeah i dont think a lot of the people that dont get a unit after 400 attempts will want to keep playing