Leader categories! (A lot of things has been changed, consider changing that dislike to a like :)

[mortal sage]

I hate teambuilding 🗣️ 🗣️

[reef flame]

Please actually have a valid reason to dislike…

[mortal sage]

That is my reason. I dislike team building, so I dislike the suggestion.

[reef flame]

What’s wrong with team building? This adds more strategy to the game.

[mortal sage]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, I just don't like it

[reef flame]

Why?

[mortal sage]

It is a personal dislike that cannot be described, therefore, I dislike the suggestion to add it.

[reef flame]

So you did it for no reason -_-

[mortal sage]

Have you never had anything in your life you just dislike? Zero reason, you just don't really like it?

[reef flame]

Thats called invalid reasons bro that’s why I said you didn’t say any valid reasons

[mortal sage]

Or rather, you can't exactly describe why you dislike something, but you know you dislike it? Just not a fan of it? I don't need 14 bullet points as to why I don't like something. It's just how preference works.

[mortal sage]

The reason I do not want to see team building in a game I play is because I do not like team building. That is reason enough for me to dislike a suggestion about a mechanic I dislike

[reef flame]

Why though? You literally dislike it for no valid reason

[mortal sage]

I told you I can't describe it. Even if I could, I don't need reasons to dislike something. If you dislike something without reason, you don't just go "oh brain! that's invalid reasoning! you can't dislike that!" and suddenly like it 💀

[reef flame]

Bro istg these people are gna start disliking because they see more dislikes like bro -_-

[brave imp]

Bruh

[reef flame]

Okay you dislike it with no reason. Thats what I’m tryna say

[mortal sage]

Far more people macro than people that don't, yet "no macro!!!" suggestions get some of the most upvotes. Not everyone falls victim to mob mentality.
Correct, yes. I have no particular reason to dislike the mechanic but that doesn't change the fact that I dislike it. It also doesn't make my dislike of the suggestion suddenly invalid.

[brave imp]

write my essay please

[reef flame]

Bro if you have no reasoning that means you have no valid reasoning which means invalid. You can literally search it up if you think I’m joking

[mortal sage]

That's not how opinion works 😭

You're trying to make subjective objective and it just can't work like that.

[reef flame]

Okay it’s an opinion but if your reasoning doesn’t have a reason that means it’s invalid. I can show you a picture of it literally meaning that if you think I’m lying :/

[hot swan]

Make skibidi toilet a category or im disliking

[mortal sage]

"I can show you literally the English language!!" yes I know what one of invalid's definitions are. It won't change the fact that my subjective opinion is that leader mechanics shouldn't be added, purely because I dislike it. That's just how opinions work. It's how subjective things work 😭 not sure how else to get the point across 😭

[reef flame]

For what units? lol

[hot swan]

For all the smelly units

[reef flame]

I’m talking about your reasoning being invalid lol
Like if you explain something for someone it can either be invalid or valid nothing can twist it. It’s the truth and accept yours is invalid -_-

[reef flame]

I rather you dislike than me adding something like this -.-. Be for real though my friend took a lot of time coming up with this and he’s planning to suggest even more categories

[turbid basin]

that suggestion will turn this game into something like astd and we cant have that, elements is a much better idea.

[mortal sage]

Personal preference is exempt from "valid reasoning" as everyone has a preference on everything, even if the preference is no preference. My preference is no leader categories. That's just how preference works. I don't know how many times I need to explain it, or how many different ways I can explain it.

[hot swan]

I disliked ur not skibidi

[reef flame]

I’m happy you did instead of me adding your horrible category idea :).
@turbid basin The developers themselves said they’re trying to make this game have more strategy elements. Elements only won’t cut it

[left spear]

i dont like these
forces u to run 1 team with certain units

[reef flame]

Won’t elements basically do the same thing?

[mortal sage]

That's how it's like in AWTD and ASTD. You run like one main team and maybe a second one for certain situations.

[left spear]

elements make it so u cant just run the meta units for everything

[reef flame]

That’s literally this suggestion lmao
@mortal sage that’s what I’m trying to get across. This game has to have more strategy elements

[left spear]

this just forces you to run 1 type of team

[turbid basin]

elements are strats, adding your idea will make things cluttered

[left spear]

how?
elements arent leader units
ur just making it so theres less team combinations by enforcing certain units to be with others

[mortal sage]

I.. I was saying that about leader categories.

[left spear]

its not like u need to run 1 element in a team

[reef flame]

Cluttered for you. Not my fault your understanding level won’t understand.
@left spear Are you dumb? Putting a unit in the first slot doesn’t make it so much different from elements and now I think you haven’t read what I said…

[left spear]

putting a "leader" just forces u to go units that match that leader
having different elements in a team doesnt do anything

[mortal sage]

To be fair, elements are kind of like this too. If you have a dark element stage, you'd want to use light element for a damage bonus. Teams feel the same way. Use all swordmasters for a damage bonus.

[reef flame]

That’s what literally what elements do you dumbass

[mortal sage]

Zero reason to start being rude and throwing insults just because people disagree with an idea. Grow up.

[left spear]

not really? for most things in the game its not like the elements even matter
whereas a leader would affect all the gamemodes

[left spear]

maybe but u cant just use a random element against it
u need to use other units on different stages
by using a leader u just use 1 team with the most meta units

[reef flame]

Ignore the dumbass part then. Plus teenagers should be able to handle that insult
@left spear You don’t know what you’re saying lmao

[left spear]

u arent exactly answering my argument

[mortal sage]

Nothing changes just because people can handle it. We're being civil, why do you have to be vulgar? That was what I was getting at.

[left spear]

a leader just constricts u to run 1 type of team
elements make u run different units/teams against different stages that benefit from different elements

[reef flame]

I’m telling you that elements literally do the same thing.
@mortal sage calling someone dumbass is barley a insult. A lot of people are going to say rude things. Grow up

[left spear]

but u arent explaining how?
a leader just constricts u to run 1 type of team
elements make u run different units/teams against different stages that benefit from different elements

[turbid basin]

its not my understanding level, its the fact that its just gonna look dog shit

[mortal sage]

So because a lot of people do things, that means it's ok for you to do it? I thought you had a problem with people downvoting just because there were a lot of downvotes. Being kind is as free as being rude, but being rude has negative impacts. Be better.

[reef flame]

Elements make you only have to run 1 type of team too bro…

[left spear]

so ur gonna run a dark team against a stage that has no elements that are weak to dark? :/

[reef flame]

Again to you.
@mortal sage He doesn’t even care. Let’s forget this, okay?

[turbid basin]

to me and all the other people on your post

[mortal sage]

I don't fw leader categories or elements. I want to be able to use whatever unit I want in a stage instead of minmaxing my element and leader composition to squeeze out the max dps. On the flip side though, if both are implemented in a way that empowers currently "weak" units, I would fw it. I want viability for everyone, not "this dark leader with dark team SLAMS everything, even Light stages"

[reef flame]

For now, I haven’t saw anyone else dislike it because it will look shitty.

[reef flame]

Wdym by “elements that are weak to dark”? Like enemies who have a weakness to dark?

[mortal sage]

For example, if Cid was a 150% dark element damage increase leader, but the best leader below him was like 100% for any given element, you're always going to run a dark team. It's the strongest team, and outshines everything else. I want to avoid that.

[left spear]

yes or enemies that resist dark
u arent gonna use dark units in a stage like that

[reef flame]

If the enemies are weak to dark, that means you’ll have to bring units with the dark element, no? I don’t get what you mean

[mortal sage]

Elements involve you changing your team a lot more often, in my opinion. Especially if a story is difficult, you'd want to run the element against it. I would just be sad to not be able to bring a unit I like because his element doesn't align. At the same time, the Leader Bonus situation feels the exact same, but zero variation. You find the best leader with the highest damage bonus, and you've won.

[left spear]

yes whereas if u have a leader with idk demon trait where the meta units are ur just running that for every gamemode

[mortal sage]

I take back what I said about AWTD. The later stages are so hard that even if you bring a 130% leader on a green team against blue (type neutral iirc), it gets outshined by a 100% leader on a yellow team (strong against blue, iirc) so I would prefer an AWTD system.

[reef flame]

Yes, it would make players sad, but at the same time the game needs more strategy elements. It can’t stay no strategy forever

[turbid basin]

true but thats probs a reason for them

[reef flame]

It demon category not trait. So you’re saying that there should be enemies that have weaknesses to these categories? All this category thing do is buff other units with the same category. It doesn’t limit you or anything it just adds more of a strategy feeling
Makes you feel more skilled yk?

[mortal sage]

"yes, players would dislike it, but the game needs more strategy" is what I'm hearing. Sacrificing players for the game that the players play.

[left spear]

how is that more skilled in the slightest
ur just limiting team building by making u go the best leader for the best team, whats the strategy in that? elements make the more useless units with a unique element more useful since they can shine in that stage/tournament

[mortal sage]

If elements or leaders get added, I just want it to be done in a modular way that supports everyone and viability, not a meta team or 3

[reef flame]

Soon the same people will be complaining why the game has no strategy. If there is no type of very unique stuff why play this game more than others?

[mortal sage]

I play it because I got to it early enough to be able to acquire everything. + Quality.

[reef flame]

Any unit in the category can be the leader by the way. So are you applying that there should be enemies who are stronger or weaker to these categories?

[left spear]

i think you meant implying and thats just a weirder way to do elements if u add enemies who are stronger/waker to leaders

[reef flame]

If you play the game for just “quality”. Eventually you will get bored of it. Humans don’t just work like that, eventually we get bored

[mortal sage]

Speak for yourself

[reef flame]

Bro. You’re keep on saying leaders like the only unit that gets buff is the leader…

[reef flame]

Then they will have to add more strategy elements if you like it or not because that will eventually benefit you in a way.

[left spear]

no u just go a leader which has the most meta units and just use that same team for every gm
where if u do elements u can make the units that arent meta be more useful if they have unique elements.

[mortal sage]

I said speak for yourself because you claim everyone will get bored if they dont add strategy the way you believe it should be added. I believe strategy should be added, I just don't believe in the way of leaders lest done in a way to support viability for everyone. In what kind of team would SJW be on a team with Obito? What if that's the team I like running?

[reef flame]

“Leader which has the most meta units”? I don’t think you’re messaging with the right grammar. I’m not understanding you because leaders are just one unit in the first slot..

[left spear]

leaders buff the whole team do they not?
u just use the type that has the most meta units use a leader for that and use that team for every gamemode, that has no strategy and jst limits team building.

[reef flame]

Okay then how you think strategy elements should be added?

[mortal sage]

A leader who's category has the most meta units. Grammar is correct, just could've been worded differently. For example, SJW leader would currently be the best team because Igris has the highest DPS + Cha In would get buffed too (as an example of like a Solo Leveling team buff)

[river sandal]

I think this a great idea 👍. Intstead of brainded teambuilding ppl will have to synchronize units with leader

[reef flame]

Oh! I get what you’re saying eventually a unit with the category will become very bad, which is true. Now I get why you dislike it. There’s really no strategy to it

[reef flame]

Yea but people will use a bad unit as a leader and just get the buff. Thats what make this suggestion bad..

[hushed pecan]

No-macro suggestions all have a higher dislike ratio

[turbid basin]

did you just say your own suggestion is bad

[river sandal]

Its not his

[reef flame]

Yea lol. He actually had the best reason here lol and it isn’t mine.. I just helped a lot

[mortal sage]

AWTD has had leader powercreep. When I played, meta team for a while was a Gilg leader on yellow team, but it got powercreeped by a Shirou Emiya green team. You ran that everywhere unless it was against an element that'd cause Green to lose 50% of its damage.

[mortal sage]

This was the one that came to mind when I sent that message. I should've checked the other anti macro suggestions first, my apologies

I just reminded myself to go upvote that one as my view has changed 😭

[reef flame]

Hm. So what are you basically trying to say?

[mortal sage]

You said "eventually a unit with a category will become very bad" and I was backing that up with an example from AWTD, where a team that was very strong because of its leader eventually fell of, and lost to another team due to their leader. You typically use one or two meta teams when leaders are implemented. In ASTD I run one team with Jiren as my leader and it solos everything.

[reef flame]

Oh so you’re saying a negative to this suggestion. Yeah I also run a team with Jiren as my leader

Hm but could there be any system that only make good units be a leader? Will that make this suggestion better for you guys?

[mortal sage]

It won't stop the powercreep. Eventually a team that was relevant won't be anymore, and the units will be forgotten.

[reef flame]

What if they just update it every time? It will stop the power creep, no?

[mortal sage]

🤷‍♂️ we'd have to see, I'm not sure.

[reef flame]

How about this, they make only the best unit in the category be able to be the leader? Leaders are suppose to be leaders won’t make sense for the worser one to be a leader.

Will that make you change that ranged sasuke dislike to a monarch tengen like?

[mortal sage]

Considering the way they're approaching units is more like "everyone is viable in their own situations/in their own way" I don't think there is any "best" unit in a category.

[reef flame]

Since this leader category buff is only a damage buff, wouldn’t it make sense for the best unit in the category to be the best dps unit In the category? It’s not like it will help a unit in the category that is best for support

[reef flame]

I get what you’re saying, you’re saying that you can just bring that type team any stage.

Leader categories! (A lot of things has been changed, consider changijg that dislike to a like :)

Leader categories! (A lot of things has been changed, consider changing that dislike to a like :)

Please check out the message again! It probably will make you like instead after the recent changes to my suggestion.

[cursive totem]

Only one star is crazy 😭

[reef flame]

There is 6 likes. I removed the star that’s why (on accident)
(The checks are basically the stars)
Prob 7 if someone reacted W instead.

B

[reef flame]

B

Yea ima just delete this lmao

[restive blaze]

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