Buff Monarch trait(5%)

[raven shell]

I not asking for a big buff it’s just etheral is 5% better than monarch even when monarch is supposed to be the more rare and the better trait(i was thinking 5%)

Buff Monarch trait

[stone bronze]

Rel

[chrome shoal]

Monarch isn't specifically meant to be the better trait despite being more rare, and it's probably going to get better when more 2-3 placement unit's get added

[raven shell]

If you dont like the suggestion tell me why

[raven shell]

its just that monarch isnt as good on a 3 placemeant than etheral is on a 3 placemeant and like i said not a big buff i was thinking like 10% so its 5% better than etheral

[loud ibex]

this is stupid cause monarch is designed for 2 placements and 1 placement

[manic tide]

monarch is still only a reduction cost yeah, so i think they should buff it as well a little
and solar maybe as well 🙏

[loud ibex]

dont buff monarch make 2 or 1 placement units in the game

[raven shell]

in the most game monarch is the best trait on 3 placemeants but not here and i dont know if 1 or 2 placemeants will be added

[loud ibex]

its good like that

[red niche]

Monarch is already op lmfao

[raven shell]

not in inf

its better to have a full etheral team than a full monarch team

[red niche]

then spin for ethereal instead of monarch ez

[abstract crag]

imo slightly nerf ethereal rather than buff monarch , most meta units are 3 placement and ethereal is better for 3 placements even though its more common than monarch.

[raven shell]

that is perfect thanks i will make that as a suggestion

[lime lynx]

thats what we doing

[gilded badge]

I dont agree with this, would make lbs more p2w than they already are

[tight obsidian]

gokhan bokhan

[raven shell]

defend my suggestion

[shy steppe]

its bad

[raven shell]

yeah but i am talking about 5%-10% to get leaderboard you already need to be p2w

[lime lynx]

ethereal shouldnt be better than monarch

[abstract crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255541150144532571/1286531499386077207/hollup.gif

[raven shell]

i also would be fine if they nerf ethereal a littel

[rocky ivy]

It isn't

[twin peak]

lowkey chat, make monarch 300% dmg, 20 range, 10 spa

[lime lynx]

for 3 placement and above it is

[raven shell]

it is 5% better

[red niche]

Bro its only a 5% difference for making units 3x cheaper it doesnt need a buff

[abstract crag]

5% IS BIGG 😡 🥰

[undone oasis]

Real buff it

[rocky ivy]

Monarch for raid stage is 10x better, Monarch for story is 10x better, Monarch in legend stages is 10 better, Monarch in paragon is 10x, Etheral is only better in Infs rn. Also a easy rendition to this is making 2 placement characters or 1 placement

[tawdry rose]

make monarch give more money than fortune fr

[raven shell]

thats kind of sad

[undone oasis]

[crude citrus]

still useful for like paragons, raids, and shit

[red niche]

fr

[rocky ivy]

Crit character iagine that stat damage X like whaetevr amount of crit damage she gets

[raven shell]

good point

[crude citrus]

i aint placing 5 cha in's for 1 story

[twin peak]

to be fair, the devs have made it clear they want Monarch to be the end all be all but its not necessary to clear the game like AD or cough ALS

[grave temple]

Make monarch 1000% extra dmg !!!

[raven shell]

it would also be alright for me if they lower etheral damage 5%

[rocky ivy]

I do think Monarch should be better for 3 placement units but Etheral is not better/worse than Monarch and the same applies to Monarch, Monarch stomps out all traits by alot rn except for in infs

[full horizon]

Just wait till a 2 placement/1 placement dps unit comes out.

[rocky ivy]

2 Ways they'll do it make more 2 placements or buff Monarch or leave it the same cause I think its fine Monarch is still busted as shit

[mild cairn]

Don't own monarch but I completely agree

[full horizon]

Once a 1 placement unit comes out its going to be insanely op with monarch.

[rocky ivy]

Yeah fs

[abstract crag]

nerf ethereal, buff chances (to like 0.2% lol) 😊

[twin peak]

To be fair you dont even NEED Monarch to do anything in the game, the hardest content is the TRAITLESS event

[raven shell]

they should just nerf etheral and make the damage 5% lower

[mild cairn]

It should technically be best in all content, even if only slightly.

[tawdry rose]

@raven shell how mch better do u want it to be though

[rocky ivy]

No lmao, Etheral is ONLY better than Monarch in Infs thats it(for 3 placement units or higher)

[lime lynx]

ngl just make it 1% better than ethereal and Im okay with it 🔥

[raven shell]

5% or 10% i said it in my suggestion

[lime lynx]

or ohm ohm rework solar ohm ohm

[raven shell]

fine for me

[tawdry rose]

how do u feel about it giving a money buff too

[rocky ivy]

Nerfing a trait is crazy work, if anything if they do something it should be slightly buffing Monarch ig even tho its still the best trait in the game

[raven shell]

stop playing

[full horizon]

This isnt als

[tawdry rose]

thatd be calm though. imagine people with monarch speedcart rn

[lime lynx]

make it .75% better than ethereal 🔥

[rocky ivy]

😭 Ion know why people want the buff we got like ONLY 3-5 placement characters for right now and Monarch is just better at the current state of the game, but its fine either way if it gets a buff ig

[full horizon]

Actually lets give monarch 500% money increase to balance it.

[steep totem]

pretty sure this guy just want attention

[full horizon]

We should also give monarch +1 placement and 450% dmg buff with -50% spa and 150% range.

[lime lynx]

imma be real if they make it just .75% better than ethereal Im okay 🔥

[raven shell]

nah i just want it to be buffed 5%

[steep totem]

less than 6% 😂

[rocky ivy]

Literally 0 difference in reality it’s js buffing the best trait in the game just to buff it

[lime lynx]

also fucking ban this guy

[full horizon]

Its balanced.

[lime lynx]

yes

1. so i can feel better about my only monarch 🔥
2. so people cant complain about monarch being better (0.75% matters trust me)

[rocky ivy]

When are you ever realistically placing all 3+ units in a stage to outscale monarch if you’re not in like infs

[steep totem]

divine was also better than unique dps wise in aa
ur point?

[raven shell]

i want my 6%

[twin peak]

just give Monarch -10% spa and its goochie

[full horizon]

I would take a unique over ethereal any day.

[raven shell]

5% less spa

[rocky ivy]

You have the best trait in the game tf are you talking about feeling better about Monarch? 😭 Nd people who complain have a bitten off brain

[lime lynx]

maybe on 5 placements

[full horizon]

Even having unique on cha-in is good. Sure you lose alot of dmg but, its really cheap dmg.

[rocky ivy]

It was for 4 placements, Unique on AA was better than 3 and less placements

[raven shell]

not on a 3 placemeant

[lime lynx]

if u have monarch on cha just roll it 🔥

[inland grotto]

"Buff monarch" my guys its the BEST trait outside of inf and inf gives nothing rn

[rocky ivy]

??? Its Monarch??? Its gonna curb stomp any content in the game rn WAYYY better than Etheral and Deadeye tf are you saying 😭

[raven shell]

i would do it

[steep totem]

^^

[lime lynx]

anyways i go dip now yall continue arguing now

[inland grotto]

fr they just want it to be massivly busted with no unit placement cap

[raven shell]

i wanna leaderboard run

[rocky ivy]

Yo ya'll two are drooling out ya brains 😭 but I mean wouldnt care if it got buffed ig lmao

[inland grotto]

buffing monarch is just dumb casue then theres NO reason to even get any other trait. no trait versatility

[rocky ivy]

Etheral is lower rarity and outclass at 3+ its better and more F2P for people to get high in leaderboards imo its better this way

[raven shell]

no on a 4 placemeant it will be better

[inland grotto]

wdym on a 4 placemnet it will be better?

[vital osprey]

No wonder ur ass want to buff monarch so bad

[raven shell]

on 4 placmeant etheral is better

[last goblet]

monarch can't be replaced

[inland grotto]

you know why? cause you maxed 4 unit with etheral which isnt happening unless you are in inf

[grizzled wasp]

This is dumb your not realizing the reason for monarch, it’s to help you max out a unit and make it do basically the dps of every single one for 3 placements but for lb runs ig your right maybe monarch should be buffed to be better on 3 placements but still its fine

[misty osprey]

yeah like any other game bro, ethereal, requiem... are passives that are better on 4+ placement units other than the 0.1% trait

[raven shell]

it would be alright if its just 5% buff for inf

[steep totem]

does anyone here know if rare sasuke is still meta for paragaaon?

[grizzled wasp]

No

[inland grotto]

so you want there to be NO reason to get any trait but monarch?

[steep totem]

he just want attention clout
someone should just mute the guy for xp farming

[grizzled wasp]

Maybe 350% would be better, so ethereal is still better on 4 placements but worse on 3

[last goblet]

monarch gets a buff if buff the others

[raven shell]

yes but on this game monarch isnt better on a 3 placemeant

[frank kindle]

No do not buff monarch, its an incredible trait for everything but inf, why would you want it to dominate everything, theres no point in balance then. Soon there would be 1 or 2 units that are actually usefull for 1 monarch by being 1 or 2 placements

[inland grotto]

nah just leave them how they are tbh

[last goblet]

traits are disabled in boss raid

[inland grotto]

ONLY for inf... which does nothing

[misty osprey]

isnt that just better for f2p players? + its only for infinite

[deep island]

monarch is the better trait, the only place where etheral is better is if ur on inf since you have the time to place and max down all placements

[rocky ivy]

They’ll probably just make 2 placement characters

[high kelp]

Really stupid suggestion it costs 3x more for an ethereal unit that it does for monarch so even if ethereal is a bit better dps monarch still overall better

[frank kindle]

eventually there will be 1 or 2 placement characters

[raven shell]

but i wanna do leaderboard

[inland grotto]

hw somehow doesn't understand its only inf and only looks at dmg

[rocky ivy]

Gang do leaderboard with what you got or roll the same character

[last goblet]

roblox is a business. it not really about f2p

[raven shell]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-beautiful-crying-gif-12515992275532111078

[grizzled wasp]

Ngl the only unit I feel monarch is good on a 3 placement is igirs cause of the all the % buffs

[frank kindle]

350% is outlandish and unbalanced, the game would be to easy. I enjoy the fact monarch isnt the best trait but instead the most cost effective and good when 1 placements are released

[deep island]

monarch is still good for inf if u have it on a summoner like sjw or alucard

[misty osprey]

and sjw for his passive no?

[rocky ivy]

Monarch effects sjw summons I believe

[raven shell]

and sjw because his summon gets buffed

[grizzled wasp]

What aa had and no one complained lolll just that game was very p2w (aa was 375)

[frank kindle]

wtf do you mean. The game was incredibly easy with a unique.

[last goblet]

rengoku has 75k dps

[wintry cobalt]

This never gonna happen

[inland grotto]

no he doesn't

[rocky ivy]

True, I had a old ass secret that was full aoe with unique and the game was so easy lmao

[raven shell]

was it really 375%?

[last goblet]

see

[wintry cobalt]

Its not DPS LMAO

[misty osprey]

thats not dps...

[inland grotto]

AA was 300

[high kelp]

No body buffing monarch lmao these kids get monarch and dont know how to act lmao

[steep totem]

dawg i know what dps means...

[frank kindle]

Solar is deadass the only trait that needs a buff, maybe a slight touch on deadeye but other then that everything is good

[last goblet]

people say it dps but it his attack

[inland grotto]

I can agree with this solar is lowk trash

[rocky ivy]

The guy meant damage but you knew what he meant it’s all good

[raven shell]

yes its really awfull on non full aoe units

[high kelp]

Fr lmao these kids have the stupidest suggestion they want to buff the trait which is already the best💀

[raven shell]

its just a 5% buff

[inland grotto]

its bad on all units tbh its just not that good of a trait

[frank kindle]

solar is worse then the legendary traits, it would be nice if it affected dot or something so its actually useful

[grizzled wasp]

Same with this game 😭🙏

[rocky ivy]

Games easy in general tho tbh

[last goblet]

this game is easy

[inland grotto]

nah its solar cause its supposed to be busted range and it does less range than marksman make solar have 45%+ rng

[vital osprey]

This game is easy asf

[frank kindle]

yea but literally every meta unit in aa was a 1 or 2 placement. Unique just outweighed everything

[raven shell]

on full aoe units its really not that bad but on non full aoe units its worse than blitz

[grizzled wasp]

No it wasn’t

[rocky ivy]

AA was like nearly 400%

[frank kindle]

unique dio oh and unique ainz were way way way to broken

[grizzled wasp]

Yes lol just look at the wiki

[last goblet]

monarch give 300%, -20% spa

[inland grotto]

look at dms

[raven shell]

Buff Monarch trait(5%)

[raven shell]

that was op

[inland grotto]

wdym by (5%)

[grizzled wasp]

It was 400 it says 300 but it stacked with the base so it made it 400 instead of multiplying by 3

[raven shell]

5% more damage so its not worse than etheral for inf

[inland grotto]

so its a 300% buff my guy

[grizzled wasp]

The wiki says x4 lol

[rocky ivy]

Makes infs more F2P I see no reason why thats wrong when with Monarch you get 3X(or more) less spending than any other trait for more damage 99% of the time

[inland grotto]

bro no they do not need to buff monarch at all inf is useless rn and if they buff monarch just take all the other traits out of the game cause theres no reason to keep them

[sullen hull]

No.

[inland grotto]

it says 4x becasue base dmg +100% is 2x so another 100% is 3x and the last 100% is 4x thats why it says 4x

[rocky ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1138346040722989119/1188326017081806908/IMG_4302.gif

[raven shell]

not like unique in aa was balanced

[wintry cobalt]

300% of additional dmg, so it literally means x4 dmg

[vital osprey]

He just want to get lb so this post is useless

[sullen hull]

unique in AA is the same as monarch in AD
Its just that ethereal is so much better than divine

[grizzled wasp]

Bros proving my point

[raven shell]

yes maybe i make a suggestion to nerf it

[inland grotto]

it wasn't but it was also worse than divine in inf

@wintry cobalt yeah ik this guy is saying unique was a 375% dmg buff

@grizzled wasp im saying its a 300% buff not your random 375%

[rocky ivy]

???

[sullen hull]

u said to buff monarch not nerf ethereal

[wintry cobalt]

mb

[grizzled wasp]

That’s why on 4 place units divine was better because divine did more dps

[frank kindle]

i was kinda disapointed when i got ethereal on sjw, igris, and chae but maybe i can run leaderboards

[raven shell]

to nerf etheral

[rocky ivy]

Why would nerfing Etheral ever be the option 😭

[sullen hull]

ethereal just needs a 5% decrease in SPA and a 5% increase in range

[vital osprey]

Make it worse than solar ?

[high kelp]

Stfu no one will agree with ur dumb suggestions

[frozen lion]

@raven shell the duality

[frank kindle]

ethereal lowkey isnt even that rare, ive gotten a ton of it

[misty osprey]

they are sharing braincells LOL

[last goblet]

some units only get 20% from monarch

[sullen hull]

either way im fine with ethereal being like 5% better than monarch lol
Monarchs much better in non infs @raven shell

[inland grotto]

you need to just have your suggestion abilties taken away

[rocky ivy]

Braindead 😭

[raven shell]

only 20% damage is crazy

[frank kindle]

Literally the only trait that needs a buff is solar, deadeye is actually very good for multi hit units like igris

[sullen hull]

solar needs a rework

[inland grotto]

yeah solar is trash

[frank kindle]

just make solar a dot trait and the same rarity as deadeye

[wintry cobalt]

Yeah make it 400% dmg tbh

[last goblet]

some units only get 20% from monarch like cha in because it needs deadeyes

[sullen hull]

i dont want solar to be a worse ethereal
such a boring way to do it
solar should apply a status or something
ehm ehm
#1289268413725806702

[raven shell]

35 people do

[inland grotto]

cause those 35 have monarch and are blinded

[frank kindle]

solar sounds like burn so just make it a 20-30% dot trait so it has some use

[raven shell]

or just a 5% decrease

[wintry cobalt]

Are you sharing chromosomes with them

[sullen hull]

if they just nerf ethereal like that and dont buff the range people with ethereal will cry in suggestions

[raven shell]

maybe

[last goblet]

u can only use 3 of the same mystical on a map some 4

[raven shell]

yeah but they dont see how op etheral is rn

[frank kindle]

monarch is literally the best trait for everything but inf, what is the point of nerfing the one trait better at it at ONE THING

[inland grotto]

in inf which you somehow still dont egt

[sullen hull]

monarchs more useful as a trait
i just want ethereal to nerf the 20% spa decrease so blitz is unique

[frank kindle]

bro what

[inland grotto]

bro then etheral is garbage

[high kelp]

U dumb asf bro the whole point is that etheral should be better on 4 placement units while 3 or less placements monarch so much better💀

[wintry cobalt]

yeah remove damage buff so it wont hurt vigor mains tho

[raven shell]

then etheral would be really bad -5% damage would be fine

[frank kindle]

just delete traits because some people want brainless traits that dominate every single game mode and are the best on 90% of units

[sullen hull]

i said -5% spa so its not just a better blitz

[inland grotto]

im so glad these people dont make the game

[vital osprey]

This shit is worse than the monarch buff

[raven shell]

but its not better on 3 placemeants rn😭

[sullen hull]

its an ethereal rebalance lol
instead of 20 20 5 it should be 20 15 10.

[inland grotto]

no dont take anything away from any mythic just leave them im glad you dont make the game

[high kelp]

It is u just so slow to realise that

[frank kindle]

Bro its update 0.5, can yall wait for a one placement to be added 🙏

[wintry cobalt]

it is by 2% tho

[sullen hull]

ethereal does do more dps on 3 placements

[raven shell]

i will make a better suggestion to decrease etheral by 5%

[frank kindle]

Just change the title to add more 1 or 2 placements and everyone would agree

[rocky ivy]

You want etheral to be worse than blitz?

[inland grotto]

thats not better lol thats getting closed

[wintry cobalt]

Bro pls stop making suggestions 😭

[sullen hull]

are we stupid?
how is 20% dmg 15% spa 10% range < 20% spa

[raven shell]

nah i earned my suggestion perms

[frank kindle]

blitz is a legendary trait

[high kelp]

By a small amount? Almost like u forgetting that monarch is 3x cheaper💀

[rocky ivy]

What are you referring to when you say “so it’s not better than blitz” if it’s not etheral I’m just confused mb

[sullen hull]

what about it

[frank kindle]

i got like 3 blitz from 20 rolls. It is a completly fine fact that ethereal has a better spa reduction.

[wintry cobalt]

Jus remove etheral so it wont hurt range 1 users atp

[frank kindle]

remove monarch because it shouldnt be better then vigor 1 on group dps

[mild cairn]

Only reason I agree with the post is bc i think it's stupid how I'd have to go for another unit and get ethereal on it if I wanted to lb grind on infinity. Everyone else makes valid points

[wintry cobalt]

Yeah man ur getting the idea 🔥 🗣️🗣️

[sullen hull]

in AA godspeed had the highest dps increase
sniper had the highest range increase
and every trait (legendary/mythic) had some sort of unique thing about them
but in AV
Blitz is just a worse ethereal, while in AA godspeed was a worse divine in dps but godspeed was the best in certain units which wanted spa more like supports

[frank kindle]

id agree if they changed to post to be add more one placements so monarch is better for lb not buff monarch and make it better for 3 placements

[rocky ivy]

Not for all units will this apply + for some units that are 3 placement like sjw they may have spawns

[vital osprey]

Ye just remove all trait and leave vigor, range, speed behind cause we all want traits to be unique

[mild cairn]

Don't own monarch though if anyone is wondering

[wintry cobalt]

Hell yeah

[compact moat]

Ppl who reacted x just dont have a monarch 😎

[high kelp]

Yall bugging over 2% dps difference? Monarch literally 3x cheaper than ethereal💀

[mild cairn]

I just want it to be technically better in infinite even if only by a slight 1%

[frank kindle]

I may be a bit biased with 3 ethereals but like just add more one placements, thats all you gotta say

[compact moat]

Whyd u react x ur unit literally gets better

[inland grotto]

cause then theres no reason to get any other trait

[vital osprey]

The main reason the guy posted this is because he wanted monarch to be better on a 3 placements aka igris and sjw and obito and to be on lb because he cant

[wintry cobalt]

2% difference between 2 best traits is not hurting me

[frank kindle]

maybe people dont want monarch to be a brainless trait

[rocky ivy]

I’m guessing etheral and Godspeed have the same spa of 20%, Which would conflict for supports fs, I get your point but I think of it had a cheaper etheral but I understand that point

[mild cairn]

Was there a reason to get other traits other than unique in AA? I never owned a unique so idk

[high kelp]

Sounds like a skill issue to me💀 tell mf to get better

[compact moat]

Yeah but what do you lose 💀 like idc if ethereal is better but if monarch can be better why would i say no

[wintry cobalt]

Its not even affecting LB that much cause u literally can compensate this by stats

[mild cairn]

What?

[sullen hull]

i mean i understand it is a cheaper ethereal but imo all legendary/mythic traits should have a unique property like AA did
idm if ethereal even kept its current group dps and they changed the 20% dmg 20% spa to 25% dmg 15% spa

[wintry cobalt]

2% difference between monarch and ethereal is easily being compensate by unit stats or ascending

[high kelp]

Get better lil bro 2% dps difference aint gonna help ur inf runs💀

[mild cairn]

How would you compensate with stats if max both are godly stats

[rocky ivy]

Honestly if they buffed Godspeed that’d also be dope but yeah I get that for sure

[inland grotto]

there was tbh like for example Usopp with reaper was really good

[sullen hull]

if they buffed blitz to 25% it would be way too close to deadeye dps imo

[wintry cobalt]

Ur wont have 3 godly on one unit anytime soon

[mild cairn]

That makes sense

[rocky ivy]

Didn’t deadeye get buffed tho? Is it still as close?

[sullen hull]

heard its 33.5% dps now

[compact moat]

33.75

[mild cairn]

I'm not saying I will, but "compensate with stats" doesn't make sense for making one better since it's more rare and for fairness in lb runs

[rocky ivy]

Ah okay yeah would be close

[high kelp]

Do u know how many hits igris does on his final attack?

[inland grotto]

monarch is literally better than every other trait in everything BUT inf why does it need a buff?

[mild cairn]

Lb runs

[sullen hull]

no why

[frank kindle]

and then they want to nerf ethereal for it being good in ONE game mode

[wintry cobalt]

Ur already getting 3x cheaper upgrades, probably should stop being greedy

[high kelp]

Because I want to know if deadeye is good for him

[mild cairn]

I don't own monarch but if I did get it that's stupid how I'd need to get another of the same unit and get ethereal on it

[sullen hull]

deadeye is good for any unit thats a dps

[inland grotto]

yeah and ?? why does it need a buff if its the best for everything take every otehr trait out of the game lol

@frank kindle fr these guys dont know anything

[frank kindle]

cuz allowing the second rarest trait to be good in ONE game mode is a bad thing

[raven shell]

deadeye is pretty underrated and its good on igris

[wintry cobalt]

Its not that serious, js stop overreacting it😭

[sullen hull]

i want ethereal to be 25% dmg 15% spa 5 range

[wicked lance]

Would rather they buff Monarch, because why would you nerf a trait that is 0.0175 to get

[rocky ivy]

I think it’s 5-6 times?

[mild cairn]

You're not even making points You're just insulting people lol

[frank kindle]

just dont do lb cuz most lb players are p2w?

[rocky ivy]

Act think it’s higher than that

[wintry cobalt]

And you are crying about 1.9% difference

[abstract crag]

cuz its better "better" than monarch which is 0.1%

[mild cairn]

I'm just saying for inf lb runs it'd only be fair if it was still slightly better. Even if only by 1% which is all I'm saying it should be by

[compact moat]

Not a great point tbh. In the end monarch is still better than ethereal in infs since that 6% dps can be made up with the fact that you can easily and cheaply move ur units to the back if a boss leaks, which is insanely helpful for getting a few extra waves

[raven shell]

you understand it

[inland grotto]

so then my point stands take every other trait out of the game except fortune cuase theres no reason to have any other trait but monarch

[raven shell]

depends if you use a money unit

[mild cairn]

Tournaments and more content like this are bound to happen. Why not go for it if I somehow get lucky and get monarch?

[inland grotto]

noit dont

[frank kindle]

ethereal is less rare then monarch, isnt it a good thing for f2p players?

[mild cairn]

Your logic doesn't make sense lol. Things will always be better, but that doesn't mean things have to be removed?

[inland grotto]

no my logic is you want monarch to be the absolute best by far in everything. So why have something thats trash even be a possibility

[mild cairn]

Yeah, I'm a f2p player saying this btw.

[wicked lance]

Your not cooking at all man😭🙏

[mild cairn]

What are you saying? Your logic makes no sense. If I followed what you said then legendary units should be as good as igris

[compact moat]

Still not a helpful enough, say you wanted to move three igrises, that would take like 300k, if you wanted to move them back for normal enemies thats another 300k. We did a ldb with farms and only had like 1.5mil by 160, which is wen frieza spawns and you sometimes have to start moving units. Imagine only having to spend 100k for the damage of units worth 300k

[frank kindle]

the logic is that why should monarch dominate every gamemode, why not let the SECOND rarest trait be good in something

[sullen hull]

how about we move 5 spa from ethereal to dmg so its 25 15 5 😄

[grave temple]

monarch is legit overall better just not in infinite

[frank kindle]

no just make solar a range trait thats a direct upgrade to marksman

[sullen hull]

if they did that games cooked ngl

[inland grotto]

not trying to his thought are delusional

@mild cairn no thats not my logic units have different attacks, passives, abilties, DoT, range, aoe's if monarch is the best why ever keep another trait?

[grave temple]

ethereal is meant for over averaged placement units

[frank kindle]

making MYTHIC traits direct upgrades of LEGENDARY traits should be a thing lol

[sullen hull]

it should NOT be a thing

[mild cairn]

Thank you for making sense of what he was wording. I see what you're saying now, but I still think players who grt lucky or p2w getting the rarest traut should be rewarded. Again, I'm not one of them. We will just agree to disagree at this point

[hallow solar]

Monarch is already busted af it doesnt need a buff yall trippin

[sullen hull]

no mythic trait in aa had more spa than godspeed or more range than sniper for a reason 🤦

[willow garden]

Fr

[mild cairn]

Did tournaments allow traits in AA? Random question

[frank kindle]

just buff godspeed then, ethereal as the second rarest trait deserves to be good

[sullen hull]

it alternated betweent traitless

[wicked lance]

Sometimes they did

[mild cairn]

Okay thanks chat. Good discussions and good points. I'm out lol

[native berry]

The mythic trait that needs a buff is solar only🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

[sullen hull]

too close to deadeye dps then lol
also this change doesnt even affect ethereal dps that much???
its just moving 5 spa to dmg so its 25% dmg 15% spa 5 range

[bitter rose]

Ethereal isn’t better, when you consider you get 300% more damage and you have to only max one unit.

[icy valley]

Monarch is for like more short gameplay unlike ethereal which is only good for dmg if you are in a inf or something with like + 30 waves with the same amount of money given like per wave in inf and igris boss event

[raven shell]

100% i will make a suggestion about that

[wintry cobalt]

1.9% better🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️

[sullen hull]

#1289268413725806702 star my solar rework to make it a dot shield breaker trait heh.

[frank kindle]

it makes it worse then monarch for lb runs, the whole point is monarch doesnt dominate everything even at 3 placement

[hallow solar]

Nice suggestion bro now gift me 100 rerolls for making me read ur suggestion @raven shell

[compact moat]

Im here for solar buff tho 👍 just cuz i agree monarch doesnt need a buff doesnt mean im downvoting the post

[bitter rose]

More often than not you aren’t maxing out 3 units in an average run unless you are doing an infinite

[abstract crag]

https://tenor.com/view/salutations-my-good-chum-seal-gif-26437983

[raven shell]

i am broke

[sullen hull]

no it doesnt lol?
its like a 3% difference

[frank kindle]

actually good suggestion

[wintry cobalt]

1.9%

[native berry]

W @sullen hull upvoted

[raven shell]

i will send it here after looking at solar and look how to balance it

[sullen hull]

#1289268413725806702
make it a dot
share the word

[frank kindle]

im js gonna plug my suggestion here https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1289115274062069782

[raven shell]

i dont like the etheral one

[sullen hull]

its a 1.7% difference you'll be fine

[raven shell]

you got my star

[bitter rose]

Monarch will overtake ethereal in the higher rounds of infinite for the most part

60-100% vs 300% damage at like round 100+

[last goblet]

ethereal give 20% and vigor III gives 15%

[bitter rose]

Every trait has a purpose so I’m not sure what the point is to remove all traits besides monarch

[last goblet]

ethereal give 20% and vigor III gives 15% it just ethereal also give -20 spa, 5% range

[twin peak]

Maybe in the future but the game is easy enough to be able to solo with purple traits

[last goblet]

spa is always gonna be needed

[inland grotto]

the purpose of etheral is for inf so why make monarch betetr than it at its ONE thing

[bitter rose]

The purpose of ethereal is not for infinite, not sure what you are talking about. Ethereal is for units who are 4-5 placements because monarch isn’t good for those units.

[grave temple]

I feel like monarch is mainly to blast through progressive modes n raids n such yk

[winter pilot]

the only mode where you could realistically max out 4-5 placements is infinite or boss rush, that{s why ethereal is for infinite and monarch for short content, since u only max one unit

[hearty ravine]

Monarch doesnt need buff ethereal needs nerf

[open turret]

monarch = price efficiency for the damage you get for placing 1 unit

ethereal = realistically can only be able to fully max out all placements on infinite, but not all on very limited waves mode (unless its paragon, it becomes easier)

[mossy thorn]

in aa aniz was mad op with unique

[onyx saffron]

get out

[compact moat]

yeah waiting for 10k yen in story mode mustve been fun

[mossy thorn]

well even on placement he was good and long gamemodes he was op

[compact moat]

ye ik

[bitter rose]

However at one point when you get to higher rounds, monarch is going to overtake ethereal anyways.

[winter pilot]

what makes u say that

[bitter rose]

Ethereal depending on the unit gives 60% to 100% extra damage. Monarch is 300% damage. If you are going for high leaderboard runs, monarch is better than ethereal.

[uncut roost]

are you dumb

[bitter rose]

Do the math lol

If you are going for high leaderboard runs, monarch is better because you need all the damage you can get.

100% extra damage on your units spread across 5 placements will only get you so far lol

[uncut roost]

trully the dumbest one

[bitter rose]

Tell me how lol

How is ethereal better than monarch when it comes to achieving a good spot in leaderboard runs?

[uncut roost]

4 placement units:
ethereal: 120% + 120% + 120% + 120% = 480% (4units with 20% damage buff)
monarch: 100% + 300% = 400% (1 unit with 300% damage buff)
not including spa buff

[bitter rose]

Where’s the 120% buff from?

[uncut roost]

goback to schooldawg

[uncut roost]

unit base dmg

[open turret]

ethereal gives +20% dmg boost for EACH placement.

monarch is only +300% for ONE placement.

[bitter rose]

So a team of ethereal can compete with a team of all monarchs?

[compact moat]

Not how it works 3 eths is 360

[open turret]

only for infinite/lb runs, yes eth is better

but like the difference (with the spa buff added in) is very miniscule, but ethereal does take the lead by like 3% i think

[uncut roost]

confusedwith 4

[bitter rose]

I’m not talking one person with a team of monarchs, I’m talking 4 people with 3-4 monarchs each.

[uncut roost]

just wait for more 1 placement units, no need to buff monarch

[compact moat]

No buff monarch i want my units to be better

[open turret]

yeah the game has been heavy on adding in 3+ placement dps units, but we still havent gotten any 1-2 placement units. so realistically, monarch will eventually become stronger overtime as they add those needed 1/2 dps placement units rather than 3+

[bitter rose]

Units will hit 50k base damage at one point

[compact moat]

And so all release mythics should get 2nd evos 👍

[bitter rose]

Why?

[open turret]

and if peiple are still going to complain about monarch, just change the spa reduction buff to 12% and boom monarch is now better than ethereal by 1% for 3 placement

otherwise its fine as it is, no need for huge changes

[compact moat]

Ten tailed obito when (its my only monarch)

[bitter rose]

Monarch is better than ethereal in a majority of content. No one complained about Unique needing a buff and AV has the same trait stats as Anime Adventures almost one for one with some marginal differences. Ethereal is Divine with a different of 5% spa reduction.

[open turret]

unfortunately not many can grasp this kind of perspective easily, since they only look at the dps boost numbers 😔

[fickle turret]

Honestly monarch is good where it is and this is coming from a mf that has 4 monarch units

[open turret]

i dont even have a monarch yet (only got eth on vegita) but even i think its a bit silly to adjust monarch as is rn

[bitter rose]

I have 2

[fickle turret]

Monarch is legit 4 units combined into one idk why ppl say it needs a buff its legit good how it is rn

The difference between monarch and ethereal is so subtle you’ll only notice it if you’re going like deep into LB infinite

[wraith cobalt]

1 million% buff

[lime lynx]

hope it gets fucking nerfed even more

[fickle turret]

LOL

[fickle turret]

Nerfing it wouldn’t make any sense unless they plan on keeping content this easy then id say fs nerf it. But if they’re planning on releasing stronger shit its good where it is rn 😭

[lime lynx]

lets make it worse than vigor 1 please

[bitter rose]

[fickle turret]

Cope

[bitter rose]

You pulled the monarch kizaru?

[fickle turret]

Make monarch one shot everything and crash the game and give u a million gems

[bitter rose]

What’s his max damage?

[fickle turret]

Like 7k

He’s rlly good for defending early game and macroing legend stages and story modes for free exp ngl. He’s the reason im level 136

[bitter rose]

That’s pretty good

[fickle turret]

Fr and his spa is almost instant so he is busted

[bitter rose]

Best I’m pulled is rare deadeye

[jagged flower]

drop your robux transactions log

[bitter rose]

I’ve gotten all my monarchs from rerolls provided in game

[jagged flower]

I respect it, bro stood on business

[fickle turret]

I think allat is less than $100 spent cus a good majority of that robux is also spent on heros online 2 😭

[bitter rose]

Haven’t actually spent money on rerolls

[jagged flower]

yea and u shouldn't either, it's a complete scam

[fickle turret]

Ong

[jagged flower]

just wait until they release like limited bundles or whatever

[bitter rose]

The game doesn’t force you to buy rerolls

[fickle turret]

Imo most heavy p2w ppl never get anything ur best off being fully f2p or semi f2p

[jagged flower]

game is better balanced than AA at the moment anyways, monarch ain't necessary for success
(unless you want top lb spots, but curb your expectations)

[fickle turret]

Dude i cant even make LB u need a nasa computer after wave 150 the lag becomes unbearable with all optimized settings on

[jagged flower]

bro got diffed by his hardware

[fickle turret]

Bro i tried my gaming laptop and my water cooled gaming pc and neither work and they’re both new

[jagged flower]

what u guys grinding for gems btw? I'm still tryna get alucard

[fickle turret]

Saving for next update i already got every unit evo’d ascension 3 😭

[visual fulcrum]

Monarch is already op

[jagged flower]

yea it don't need any buffs, people complaining that ethereal performs better in inf misunderstand the power of monarch in short-wave content

[visual fulcrum]

Fr, and even in infinities I’d say it’s better

[fickle turret]

Nah ethreal is better there but thats the only spot where its better

[jagged flower]

I own a monarch unit and I don't want it buffed, the balance of the game rn feels good

[open turret]

just like i said before, people only look at the dps boost numbers and think "hey why tf is ethereal better than my 0.075% more rarer trait grr! buff it!"

[visual fulcrum]

It’s like 2% less dps but it takes less room, and with a team of 6 monarchs that’s saving so much room, allowing your blossoms to heal everyone closely

[bitter rose]

there’s a culture around making raid shop refreshable when the game is already generous enough

[jagged flower]

fr, bros don't understand a 4x dmg boost for a fraction of the cost is a godsend 😭
I basically solo'd act 4 of the new raid with monarch sjw

[visual fulcrum]

I’m still waiting for my monarch

[jagged flower]

will happen one day.. statistically likely.. so long as you sell your soul to the grind
99% of gamblers quit before they hit big

wait.. there is a speedrun tourney.. ??

[visual fulcrum]

Uhh no

[jagged flower]

sec I needa go check

[cedar gyro]

instead of asking for a buff, ask for the 2 traits to become the same percentage of getting, just like in anime adventures

[bitter rose]

Monarch is also cheaper and it also keeps the unit meta damage wise for a lot longer than usual.

[raven shell]

I am already done with this suggestion and I don’t care if monarch gets a buff but I made another good suggestion https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1289354026768662590

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1289354026768662590

[inland grotto]

Monarch is only not good for those units pretty much in inf only

[formal swallow]

Ethereal is still better in infinite for units with 3 place max though, but negligibly. Though that negligible difference could be enough to get you onto the leaderboard.

[bitter rose]

Most people who have top spots on the leaderboard will probably be running four people with multiple monarchs per person.

[formal swallow]

They could lose by a single wave to a team of 4 with multiple Ethereals per person though

[bitter rose]

I’m not good with math but in theory if each person in an infinite has let’s say 3 monarchs. I imagine there is a very large damage gap, compared to 3 ethereal per person with 4 people in the infinite.

[formal swallow]

Considering Ethereal has more dps (again, negligible amount), that would not be the case

[bitter rose]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[near halo]

Ah hell nah

[rocky ivy]

ion think its bad that Etheral is better for infs

[formal swallow]

What I'm saying 😭 I'm not good with percentages so I just trust the wiki's calculations. Monarch is 48.1% more DPS on a 3 place limit unit than if you placed the three units without a trait. Ethereal is 50% dps increase. Negligible being literally 1.9% difference.

[formal swallow]

I don't think so either. Monarch most definitely wins in every other situation because of the huge money save. I've only ever gotten Monarch on my Rengoku and I rolled off because I wanted him to be a shield breaker (stack flames with the other 2 Rengokus)

[rocky ivy]

Insane that you'd rather roll off Rengoku's Monarch rather then gettin another but. yeah I agree with waht you said

[bitter rose]

I looked up a whole video, it’s less than 1.5%, depends on the unit.

it doesn’t make sense that ethereal would be better for me at least, coming from AA where unique was the best trait for any unit that was 3 placement or less but again damage is not big of a difference.

[formal swallow]

This did not occur to me as a choice I could've made. Fuck.

[bitter rose]

Rengokus burn is based off his damage too

[formal swallow]

It definitely doesn't make sense, but I don't care because the difference is so small. I was under the assumption Monarch was like 30% or 25% for 3 place when people said Ethereal was better.

[formal swallow]

Yeah but since flame stacks, having 3 Rengokus is better if you want him to be a shield breaker, which is what he is for me. Even then he's outclassed by Beam so I guess I just fucked up

[rocky ivy]

Well the problem with AA was that the only 4 placement units they ever dropped were shit, 99% of the characters they dropped were 3 placements or lower so that people would roll for Unique, though 99% of the time Unique was the obvious option anyways. Either way 3-4 placement difference between AA and AV isn't bad and is really good imo since it makes infs more healthy for F2P players to get since inherently every character thats above 3 placements(which is going to be alot will want Etheral) that is IF they make more 3+ placement units

[rocky ivy]

Tragic 💔

[willow garden]

Purely for SPA:
Monarch = +48% (3 placement units)

Ethereal = +50% on each unit

So ethereal is much better but monarch is good for 15 wave runs

Monarch would dominate when 1-2 placement limit units are added, but as of right now ethereal is probs better (apart from maybe sjw cuz of summons)

[formal swallow]

Ethereal isn't "much" better, it's 2% better for DPS. As I said, it's a negligible difference that might net you one more wave in an infinite leaderboard run.

[bitter rose]

Another benefit of Monarch is that at least in my opinion, the damage boost will keep units more meta relevant as more updates get released.

Due to the nature of the game, we will get units who will eventually surpass the base damage of the current units and maybe even the monarch boosted damage of current units. The latter is farther down the line, I don’t think we will be getting to the million damage threshold.

[willow garden]

Overall it's 8% better for a 4 placement unit which is pretty significant

[formal swallow]

Ethereal is 50% overall. 3(5 x 1.5) is the same as 15 (group) x 1.5
So it's 2% gap overall, no?

[bitter rose]

Its less than a 2% gap

[formal swallow]

I trust the wiki's math more than a video tbh

[bitter rose]

The difference between a monarch sjw and ethereal is 1.2%

[formal swallow]

Exact same stats?

[onyx saffron]

Hasnt this alr been declined

[formal swallow]

I don't see the declined tag on it (unless I'm blind)

[bitter rose]

Yes

[onyx saffron]

monarch doesn’t need buff

[formal swallow]

I don't believe it does either

[bitter rose]

All A stats

[formal swallow]

A does not mean equal %, that's why I trust the wiki's raw math

[onyx saffron]

Isnt A the base

[formal swallow]

A gives 11%-13.99% for damage and 5.5%-6.99% for range and SPA

Hence what I meant by A doesn't necessarily mean they're the same percent. There's a range that would mess up "in action" math, but raw math off of a unit's base stats is more accurate to how much the trait boosts

[willow garden]

It's not 50% overall, wiki says it's 50% PER UNIT

And if its possible to place 4 units then it's +50% for each unit you place and monarch is only once placement so its a +8% overall

[willow garden]

Solar needs a buff, monarch is fine as it is, ethereal needs a nerf and deadeye needs the crit chance to go up from 45% to 50%, and there we go balanced

[formal swallow]

That's why I showed you the math. 50% per unit is 50% overall group DPS increase. It has a 1.9% difference from Monarch on 3 place units. On 4 place units, Monarch is only an 11.1% increase, so Ethereal would have 39.9% more DPS (a 39.9% gap, compared to the 1.9% gap of 3 place) Wiki also says "Total DPS increase" not "per unit"

[willow garden]

The wiki doesn't know if we're talking about 3 units or 4 units so why the hell would it say total in that sense, when it says "total" it refers to the combination of +20% damage and -20% SPA, which leads to the +50dps PER UNIT

[formal swallow]

have you.. checked the wiki? At all?

Again, per unit math is equal to total GROUP dps math. 50% dps increase per unit is equal to 50% increase group. That's how percents work.

[undone oasis]

Monarch cha in would be too good if it had two placement

[gilded badge]

I hate you (respectfully)

[formal swallow]

1(5 x 1.5) is 7.5
5 x 1.5 is 7.5
2(5 x 1.5) is 15
10 x 1.5 is 15
3(5 x 1.5) is 22.5
15 x 1.5 is 22.5.

See where I'm going with this? If you multiply the units damage by 50%, then multiply it by the amount of units, its still the same as just multiplying the amount of units' combined DPS by 50%

It is 2% better per unit with a 3 place max unit. But that's also 2% better overall. It is 40% better per unit with a 4 place max unit. But that's also 40% better overall.

[willow garden]

Oh ye js did it myself its the same

[mortal urchin]

this suggestion is practicallt crying about a 1.91% difference dawg

[willow garden]

Monarch doesn't need a buff it's fine as it is, solar needs a buff but I think a slight nerf on ethereal wld be balanced

[formal swallow]

Yeah not sure why people want Monarch to be 4000000% better. I feel its the way that it is so you can feel content with Ethereal instead of throwing your keyboard crying about "why no monarch, I'm shafted now"

[steep totem]

idk what math you running lmao
8%? your math is wrong

[willow garden]

? We already solved that problem stop yapping u attention seeking beg go outside

[steep totem]

cuz ur a beg

asking for a monrach trait buff when there's barely a difference in dps

[willow garden]

I wasn't asking for a monarch buff u illiterate fool

[willow garden]

^^^ read next time? You uneducated mongrel

Good for nothing useless piece of trash barely worthy of cleaning shit for a living